The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[SambaSaffron]

We lost at home to St Johnstone. I don't care if we had 56 shots on target, it shouldn't happen. We also haven't scored in 2 home games.

[Muzz]

It shouldnt happen your right.  But its football.  Anything can happen!

If we hadnt created the chances that we did then I would be a hell of a lot more worried!  But Im not.  Another day and Celtic would have beat that team 6 or 7 nil. 

Should Arsenal get beat at home by Liverpool?  Should Chelsea get beat by Stoke?  Should Utd get beat by Wolves?  No they shouldnt but it happens.

But the drama away and look forward!  Same negative shite out of supporters all of the time!

[Applesisapples]

It shouldnt happen your right.  But its football.  Anything can happen!

If we hadnt created the chances that we did then I would be a hell of a lot more worried!  But Im not.  Another day and Celtic would have beat that team 6 or 7 nil. 

Should Arsenal get beat at home by Liverpool?  Should Chelsea get beat by Stoke?  Should Utd get beat by Wolves?  No they shouldnt but it happens.

But the drama away and look forward!  Same negative shite out of supporters all of the time!

Whilst I would agree with most of what you say, it would appear that taking Kyal and Hooper ou of the team does seriously weaken it and that needs addressed. Izaguire is also a big loss. a team such as Celtic needs cover and quality cover at that. I would be a fan of Sami but even I am beginning to doubt his ability.

[Muzz]

Agree with what you are saying...

Kayal gone was a loss but we have cover in that area. 

Hooper is a massive loss.  Remember that Hooper and Stokes are the only ones that have played together so when one or the other is out its very hard for anyone else to come in and play off them.  The chances created by Stokes and Maloney at the weekend were enough to win many a game.

Loosing that attacking prowness from Izzy is a bad loss.

I just dont think that there needs to be so much negativity about getting beat 1 nil at home.  Celtic are head and shoulders above the rest of Scotland.  The week before against Dundee Utd - It was said on here that Celtic could have won by 6 or 7 - Dundee Utd could have scored 3 or 4.  Just dont see the point losing the head over one result that could have been a lot worse. 

[lynchbhoy]

Daryl Murphy doesn't play because he's brutal. A quality targetman is needed for the likes of Firhill.
The trial thing isn't a problem for me. If we were signing these "second rate" players I'd be worried. I think the reason we do it is to try and get cheap, talented players. Very few have been successful but it doesn't cost.
I really think we need to spend, on a striker and a central defender. I'm just very concerned that there is no money there.

given gametime and supply, Murphy is as good as jelavic and anything in the spl.

[lynchbhoy]

its not just the loss last sun, or the 0-0 home draw v sion, its the continuation of the same lack of incisiveness by Celtic to use the greater share of posession and turn it into goals.
If games were won by frightening the opposition to surrender, the celtic would be 10 in a row champions.
No harm to Izzaguire, but he is a great lad going forward, beats a couple of players but again lacks a killer pass and often takes too much out of the ball. His skill and trickery looks great on telly, but often contributes a big fat zero in terms of scoring goals. IMO he is weak in defence also. I'd love to have sold him and got 10million for him and used this to sign an outstanding attacking midfielder  to partner Kayal and an outstanding striker.

Celtic are toothless too often. Thats whats annoying.
Celtic couldn have scored 7 - but didnt.If Celtic were as good as they should be - they would have done so.
Harsh - maybe, but people are accepting a lesser standard year on year.
eg Hooper is a great little and young striker, but he should still only be backup to a main striker.

[Forever Green]

Completely agree with everything you have said Muzz. There has been far too big an overeaction to this defeat. ffs our fans need to stop thinking we are unbeatable. Even Lennon liking the defeat to the Ross County debacle was a bit much. I have plenty of confidence that we are going to progress on Thursday night. We dominated this side at home without playing brilliantly. We are just in a bad spell with injuries and players off form.

My team for Thursday night:
                           Zaluska
            Wilson       Maj      K.Wilson
                    Kayal        Ki
Brown                                       Ledley
                         McCourt
             Stokes                Murphy

Dont think Hooper is going to be fit for this one. I would put big Murphy into the team and just get Brown and Ledley to bomb on and throw the crosses into him. He is bound to get on the end of one of them. Commons is in shite form so I would drop him for this one. Stokes will feed of Paddy brilliantly. Pretty confident Bhoys

                                               

[Muzz]

Sounds a decent enough team.  But cant see Lennon putting that team out.

McCourt gives the ball away too much.  Out of 10 runs yes he might go past 10 players on one run but the other 9 times loses it and puts us back under pressure.

I am confident we are a better team than Sion and will progress if not on thursday through the courts

[Applesisapples]

McCourt is ou of his depth even in the Scottish game.

[SambaSaffron]

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If you are seriou about Daryl Murphy being as good as Jelavic you don't know a lot about soccer.

[Myles Na G.]

Completely agree with everything you have said Muzz. There has been far too big an overeaction to this defeat. ffs our fans need to stop thinking we are unbeatable. Even Lennon liking the defeat to the Ross County debacle was a bit much. I have plenty of confidence that we are going to progress on Thursday night. We dominated this side at home without playing brilliantly. We are just in a bad spell with injuries and players off form.

My team for Thursday night:
                           Zaluska
            Wilson       Maj      K.Wilson
                    Kayal        Ki
Brown                                       Ledley
                         McCourt
             Stokes                Murphy

Dont think Hooper is going to be fit for this one. I would put big Murphy into the team and just get Brown and Ledley to bomb on and throw the crosses into him. He is bound to get on the end of one of them. Commons is in shite form so I would drop him for this one. Stokes will feed of Paddy brilliantly. Pretty confident Bhoys

                                               

He looks overweight.

[lynchbhoy]

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If you are seriou about Daryl Murphy being as good as Jelavic you don't know a lot about soccer.

Well they are both 'internationals' and both in the spl.
Neither are brilliant.
Did you see Murphy before he joined Celtic when at sunderland or even before then?
Or even for Ireland?
Don't base your judgement on the limited chances he's had at Celtic park.
Not brilliant as I said, but in the Sutton /hartson role - a he'll of a lot better!

[Pat Mustard]

If you are seriou about Daryl Murphy being as good as Jelavic you don't know a lot about soccer.

Well they are both 'internationals' and both in the spl.
Neither are brilliant.
Did you see Murphy before he joined Celtic when at sunderland or even before then?
Or even for Ireland?
Don't base your judgement on the limited chances he's had at Celtic park.
Not brilliant as I said, but in the Sutton /hartson role - a he'll of a lot better!

Jelavic is a Croatia international, a very good side. If Murphy has made 2/3 competitive appearances for Ireland I'd be surprised, and after Doyle and Keane we aren't blessed with much talent up front.
Murphy scored 14 goals in 110 appearances for Sunderland, from what I saw of him in the premiership he was very, very poor. Before that, he played for Waterford United. I don't even know what division they'd have played in then, and the LOI was very poor at that time(I know the SPL is poor now, but not that poor).
For Ireland he has scored 0 goals in 9 appearances.
Sutton was one of the best players I've ever seen play for Celtic, and Hartson's goal to game ratio is excellent. Murphy, nor even Jelavic could lace their boots.
I think Murphy scored 1 goal from play in 18 appearances last year. I'd guess around 10 of these were starts. For a Celtic striker, thats nowhere near good enough. And unfortunately for Daryl, neither is he.

[Pat Mustard]

Oh, and much as I hate to say it, Jelavic is a pretty decent player by any standard, and by SPL standard he is top notch. He tormented us for Vienna and if Rangers didn't buy him last season they wouldn't have won the league. Hypothetically, f they'd bought Daryl Murphy and we'd bought Jelavic we'd have won the league by 15 points. And the league cup.

[lynchbhoy]

ok I havent seen as much of jelavic as I have of murphy, but jelevic while being a croatian international (they are no great shakes any more) hasnt looked too hot to me. if he was of any use he wouldnt be playing in the spl or with cash strapped rangers- would he !!
Murphy is a decent target man. he hasnt had much game time for Celtic and Ireland.
The fans at both Sunderland and ipswich where he was on loan thought a lot of him.
He isnt great, but he is a hell of a lot better than a lot of Celtic 'fans' think he is.
then again I suppose jelavic is more or a striker than a 'target man' - so maybe not the best of comparisons, but imo he isnt much cop.

but I am not saying that Celtic are ok with this calibre of striker/forward.
They need to be buying a lot better than this. Stokes, Hooper and murphy should be understudies to two experienced international strikers.