Sinn Fein vs Sieg Heil - Spot the Difference

[Evil Genius]

At least 10 posts out of the last 12 by one eejit. 

Would ya ever get a fcukin life Drochsaoi.

Congratulations - you've proved you can count. Any chance you can also comprehend? Maybe even make a contribution?

No?

Or is that too much to ask?  

[deiseach]

Fcuk me! I thought I'd seen some pretty crass attempts at deflection by "Whataboutery" on this Board, but that one surely deserves some kind of prize

I was wondering how long it would take for you to play the Whataboutery card. I prefer to think of it was what is good for the goose being good for the gander. Myers exhorts the amabassadors to Ireland to bring the news back home that Ireland is honouring a neo-Nazi. If they did, I have no doubt that there isn't a single country in Europe that would be wondering why they are wasting their time and that they have plenty of sulphurous memorials to people considered a hero in one country but a butcher in another country and would rather not have attention drawn to that thank you very much

P.S. Have you any opinion of your own on what Myers actually wrote, or are you only capable of "playing the man"?   

From the man who asked whether I worked for the SF press office, that is Daddy Warbucks-rich

[Rossfan]

Not if it's going to beget  20 or 30 long responses from you.
Sean Russell was a great republican who sought help from our ancient enemy's enemy.
They werent very nice but he was still a good one.
The Government to which you owe allegience are allies with Saudi Arabia ..a Country where women are barely allowed to breathe and have no rights, where Christian worship is punishable by death,where public beheadings take place etc etc
Why dont you fill 3 or 4 pages with that instead of something from the 30s and 40s which we can do nothing about.

[Evil Genius]

In October 1937, visited Nazi Germany, against the advice of the British government, and met Adolf Hitler at his Obersalzberg retreat. The visit was much publicised by the German media. During the visit ? gave full Nazi salutes. The former Austrian ambassador, Count Albert von Mensdorff-Pouilly-Dietrichstein, who was also a second cousin once removed and friend of XXXXXXXXX, believed that ?? favoured German fascism as a bulwark against communism, and even that he initially favoured an alliance with Germany. 's experience of "the unending scenes of horror" during World War I led him to support appeasement. Hitler considered to be friendly towards Nazi Germany and thought that Anglo-German relations could have been improved through ??. Fellow Nazi Albert Speer quoted Hitler directly: "I am certain through him permanent friendly relations could have been achieved. If he had stayed, everything would have been different. was a severe loss for us."

The ? settled in France. On the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, they were brought back to Britain by Lord Mountbatten in HMS Kelly, and the ?, already an honorary Field Marshal, was gazetted a Major-General attached to the British Military Mission in France. In February 1940, the German Minister in The Hague, Count Julius von Zech-Burkersroda, claimed that the ? had leaked the Allied war plans for the defence of Belgium. When Germany invaded the north of France in May 1940, the ? fled south, first to Biarritz, then in June to Spain. In July the pair moved to Lisbon, Portugal, where they lived at first in the home of Ricardo de Espírito Santo, a Portuguese banker with both British and German contacts. During the occupation of France, the ? asked the German forces to place guards at his Paris and Riviera homes: they did so. A "defeatist" interview with the ?? that was widely distributed may have served as the last straw for the British government: Prime Minister Winston Churchill threatened the with a court-martial if he did not return to British soil. In August, a British warship dispatched the pair to the Bahamas, where in the view of Churchill ? could do the least damage to the British war effort.

? was installed as Governor. He did not enjoy the position, and referred to the islands as "a third-class British colony". The British Foreign Office strenuously objected when ? planned to tour aboard a yacht belonging to a Swedish magnate, Axel Wenner-Gren, whom American intelligence wrongly believed to be a close friend of Luftwaffe commander Hermann Göring. However, was praised for his efforts to combat poverty on the islands, although he was as contemptuous of the Bahamians as he was of most non-white peoples of the Empire. He said of Étienne Dupuch, the editor of the Nassau Daily Tribune: "It must be remembered that Dupuch is more than half Negro, and due to the peculiar mentality of this Race, they seem unable to rise to prominence without losing their equilibrium." He was praised, even by Dupuch, for his resolution of civil unrest over low wages in Nassau in 1942, even though he blamed the trouble on communist agitators and draft-dodging Jews. He held the post until the end of World War II in 1945.


Many historians have suggested that Hitler was prepared to reinstate in the hope of establishing a fascist Britain. It is widely believed that the Duke (and especially the Duchess) sympathised with fascism before and during World War II, and had to remain in the Bahamas to minimise their opportunities to act on those feelings. In 1940 he said: "In the past 10 years Germany has totally reorganized the order of its society ... Countries which were unwilling to accept such a reorganization of society and its concomitant sacrifices should direct their policies accordingly." Lord Caldecote wrote to Winston Churchill just before the couple were sent to the Bahamas, "? is well-known to be pro-Nazi and he may become a centre of intrigue." The latter, but not the former, part of this assessment is corroborated by German operations designed to use ?. The Allies became sufficiently disturbed by the German plots that U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered covert surveillance of ? when they visited Palm Beach, Florida in April 1941.

After the war, ?? admitted in his memoirs that he admired the Germans, but he denied being pro-Nazi. Of Hitler he wrote: "[the] Führer struck me as a somewhat ridiculous figure, with his theatrical posturings and his bombastic pretensions."

Another wikipedia story about a historical figure with alleged Nazi sympathies. First prize to whoever is the quickest to work out who is and what position he held.

Any ideas Evil Genius?

Quite obviously it is a reference to Edward VIII, whose political views were highly suspect.

That is, the same Edward VIII who was forced by the Establishment to abdicate and banished to a tiny imperial backwater for the duration of the War (to keep him well out of the way), before being shunned and driven into exile following the end of the War.

Such treatment is a world awat from that accorded to Sean Russell in Ireland, not least in that there are no Statues anywhere* in the UK to Edward VII - at least any which post-date the propagation by him of his unacceptable opinions in adulthood.


* - I believe there is a statue of him as a young man in Aberystwyth, commemorating his Investiture as Prince of Wales, which curiously has been vandalised and defaced a number of times since!

[Evil Genius]

Not if it's going to beget  20 or 30 long responses from you.
Sean Russell was a great republican who sought help from our ancient enemy's enemy.
They werent very nice but he was still a good one.
The Government to which you owe allegience are allies with Saudi Arabia ..a Country where women are barely allowed to breathe and have no rights, where Christian worship is punishable by death,where public beheadings take place etc etc
Why dont you fill 3 or 4 pages with that instead of something from the 30s and 40s which we can do nothing about.

No need for 3 or 4 pages, when "A single picture tells a thousand words":


http://www.mofa.gov.sa/Detail.asp?InNewsItemID=96043

[lynchbhoy]

Not if it's going to beget  20 or 30 long responses from you.
Sean Russell was a great republican who sought help from our ancient enemy's enemy.
They werent very nice but he was still a good one.
The Government to which you owe allegience are allies with Saudi Arabia ..a Country where women are barely allowed to breathe and have no rights, where Christian worship is punishable by death,where public beheadings take place etc etc
Why dont you fill 3 or 4 pages with that instead of something from the 30s and 40s which we can do nothing about.

No need for 3 or 4 pages, when "A single picture tells a thousand words":


http://www.mofa.gov.sa/Detail.asp?InNewsItemID=96043

oh I see, a picture of the saudi ambassador to britain visiting mary mcaleese means we are allies with saudi arabia now 

Brilliant...

but then again were there not pics of people throughout history that have been snapped alongside sinister historical figures !
churchill with stalin, paisley with bertie etc etc


plus arent there statues to the fathers of the apartheid in the north of Ireland - craig and carson-  somewhere around belfast ?

[deiseach]

The Government to which you owe allegience are allies with Saudi Arabia ..a Country where women are barely allowed to breathe and have no rights, where Christian worship is punishable by death,where public beheadings take place etc etc

That's the key. EG fisks the posts of everyone else to muddy the waters regarding his original point: that a man can be condemned by his associations. You don't have to think that Seán Russell was on the side of the angels (I don't think he was) or advocate pulling down memorials to him (I'm very reluctant to airbrush these things out of history; changing the name of Windscale doesn't change what it is) to see the hypocrisy of his position

[deiseach]

but then again were there not pics of people throughout history that have been snapped alongside sinister historical figures !
churchill with stalin, paisley with bertie etc etc

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Quite obviously it is a reference to Edward VIII, whose political views were highly suspect.

That is, the same Edward VIII who was forced by the Establishment to abdicate and banished to a tiny imperial backwater for the duration of the War (to keep him well out of the way), before being shunned and driven into exile following the end of the War.

Such treatment is a world awat from that accorded to Sean Russell in Ireland, not least in that there are no Statues anywhere* in the UK to Edward VII - at least any which post-date the propagation by him of his unacceptable opinions in adulthood.


* - I believe there is a statue of him as a young man in Aberystwyth, commemorating his Investiture as Prince of Wales, which curiously has been vandalised and defaced a number of times since!

According to your beloved wikipedia, the abdication was nothing to do with his Nazi sympathies. And when you say banished, I assume you mean "made governor of".

As for being shunned, again taking wikipedia on trust, Edward in fact did continue to meet with the Royal family, Nazi sympathies notwithstanding. Indeed the current Queen visited her dear old uncle in France, as well as attending his state funeral. In death, they shunned him so badly that his grave lies in the Royal Burial Ground. (Great job this wikipedia).

Have the British Royal family ever apologised for the actions of a Nazi sympathiser in their midst?

[ziggysego]

A single picture says a thousand words

[Evil Genius]

Not if it's going to beget  20 or 30 long responses from you.
Sean Russell was a great republican who sought help from our ancient enemy's enemy.
They werent very nice but he was still a good one.
The Government to which you owe allegience are allies with Saudi Arabia ..a Country where women are barely allowed to breathe and have no rights, where Christian worship is punishable by death,where public beheadings take place etc etc
Why dont you fill 3 or 4 pages with that instead of something from the 30s and 40s which we can do nothing about.

No need for 3 or 4 pages, when "A single picture tells a thousand words":


http://www.mofa.gov.sa/Detail.asp?InNewsItemID=96043

oh I see, a picture of the saudi ambassador to britain visiting mary mcaleese means we are allies with saudi arabia now 

Brilliant...

Can you not read? This was a visit by the outgoing Saudi Ambassador to Britain and Ireland to McAleese in Aras an Wotsit:
http://www.president.ie/index.php?section=6&engagement=200927&lang=eng

And as for the relationship between the two countries, here is what the Saudis themselves had to say on the occasion:

Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Ambassador of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to United Kingdom and Ireland, today visited the President of the Republic of Ireland, Mary McAleese, on the occasion of the end of his tenure as non-resident Ambassador to the Republic of Ireland, due to the appointment of a resident Ambassador there in light of the expansion of the Saudi-Irish relations expansion in all fields.

During the meeting, they reviewed the bilateral relations between the two countries and the remarkable development achieved in recent years.

Yep, such has been the "remarkable development" in bilateral relations between the Kingdom and the Republic, that the former are now installing a resident Ambassador in Dublin!

So much for it being a mere Photo-Op, then, eh?  

[deiseach]

A single picture says a thousand words

In fairness to Jug Ears, I'd say the craic would be ninety altogether were he to hesitate every time a hand was thrust towards him - especially the hand of a black man

[ziggysego]

A single picture says a thousand words

In fairness to Jug Ears, I'd say the craic would be ninety altogether were he to hesitate every time a hand was thrust towards him - especially the hand of a black man

It's President Mumbai, no-one would have said it was a race issue.

[deiseach]

It's President Mumbai, no-one would have said it was a race issue.

The point is that to have avoided shaking, er, Mugabe's hand, Charles would have to have a policy of scanning the face of every person who has just offered their hand. That would have looked real good had it been Nelson Mandela

[ziggysego]

It's President Mumbai, no-one would have said it was a race issue.

The point is that to have avoided shaking, er, Mugabe's hand, Charles would have to have a policy of scanning the face of every person who has just offered their hand. That would have looked real good had it been Nelson Mandela

It was Pope John Paul II's funeral and he was making the sign of peace, so Charles would have known who was sitting near him.