Doire v Mhuineacháin 24/5/09

[JMohan]

I would imagine they used the Doherty incident as a trip attempt not a kick.

Believe it or not, there was more than one Doherty inclident. You're referring to another one.

I would also say that the Mullan one was explained as looking worse than it was and that he was kicking out to get McManus to release.

What a load of bull. It's clear that he was free of McManus before the knee went in.

Monaghan possibly tried to go in with all guns blazing demanding the ban be scrapped completely and figured they could rely on influence to help.

In all cases I think they got it right.

Now that surprises me, because you've been totally objective to date. 

Glad you finally agree.

[jodyb]

Brolly claims on public radio that Fergal's face and arm was purposely and maliciously stamped upon by some Monaghan boot as he lay on the ground and had blood pumping from a wound afterwards. This is a very serious allegation. Does it have any merit?

This photograph was taken not long after he was stamped upon. Was directly in line with Fergal when he tripped clerkin and he clearly had blood coming from his mouth. Explains why he lashed out.

RTE didnt catch what happened

Indiana et al will probably say that that's from when he tried to bite Dick's head off

[Main Street]

Fergal in Hannibal Lector shocker.

I'd hardly call it a river of blood which Joe was eloquently describing.

[Main Street]

So you're saying he's a Saint then?
Oh ok then.

You didn't get it quite right about Tommy, not the bit that is 100% relevant.
Move on and get over it.

[JMohan]

You can't accept that he has a poor disciplinary record ... but that's ok.
If your chairman comes out and lies I can't hardly expect you to not.

[GrandMasterFlash]

I'm not even gonna read the preceding handbags stuff in this post but at the end of the day Fergal Doherty could only be punished for what was picked out via video evidence, i.e. the kick at the shins (trip) of Clerkin. He had been reprimanded by the referee for the other incidents.

  I'm absolutely furious though that the powers that be think that kneeing a man in the b*lls is worthy of a four week ban. This is disgraceful! Surely kneeing a man in the groin is a little more severe than kicking a man in the shins/tripping. This is farcical. The powers that be are blatantly saying go out and assault a man where it really hurts, lodge an appeal and we'll ban you for a month. What the hell evidence suggested that the ban was half of that originally administered??

  This is not a criticism at Derry as all counties are at it. Something has to be done soon though as for me this would is the biggest detractor of the support ever!

  BTW JMohan, Tommy Freeman is far from an angel in club football, you are right on that one, but that's a whole different ball game. If we exposed every players club record on here we wouldn't get very far. His county record is good, not perfect but good. Look at the most recent carry-on in your own county, one county player breaking anothers jaw in a club game in an off the ball incident? Completely premeditated and not exactly practicing sportsmanship towards his team mate. Now, go on there and lift that 6 inch block out of your green house that you just fired through it..

[SidelineKick]

I have said Mullan deserves a ban whether he kneed him in the balls, stomach, eyebrow, calf, back, tooth, earlobe, big toe. It doesn't matter. My point is he deserves the same as Tommy McGuigan as it was the same offence.

Looking at the bigger picture, two wrongs don't make a right. I know the recent McGuigan case is being cited, but 4 weeks is hardly appropriate for a knee in the nuts when, as i have already mentioned, Finlay got 8 weeks last year for verbals with the ref.

BTW, is there a video link to the Tommy McGuigan incident?

I completely agree Maguire which is why I said Tommy should have got 8 weeks, then Mullan would have had to take 8 weeks as well.  Perhaps contradicting myself slightly in the fact that if its there to be appealed then why not? I just think if the previous incident had have got the proper suspension Mullan's would follow with no questions asked.  Think that makes sense?

why do you only mention tommy , Ricey got a 8 week ban for a hell of a lot less than Mullan so why not compare Ricey's ban against Mullans and looking at that Mullan should have got 12 weeks

f**k me you're as thick as indiana.  McGuigan KNEED sean marty in the balls, Mullan KNEED McManus in the balls, McMeniman did not knee anyone in the balls 

[Maguire01]

We're not talking about both teams - We're talking about Tommy Freeman - I said he had been sent of many times for his club and was no angel - you called me out - well back it up then.

Well which is it? Hot air or truth?

You can't bullshit the truth ... has he been sent off many times for Magheracloone or not?

You clearly didn't. But it suits you now to change your story to club football when you've realised his disciplinary record for county.

And you may only be talking about Tommy Freeman, but it hardly makes sense to talk about his disciplinary record outside of the context of other players - you compared his record to "almost any footballer on that county team". Anyway, you still haven't cited any specific examples to support your argument - if there are many, as you claim, you should be able to mention 5 at least.

So you're saying he's a Saint then?
Oh ok then.

Who said that? I definitely didn't. I just said he didn't have the collection of red cards for Monaghan that you suggested.
Are you a bit slow?
You were caught bluffing, end of.

[tyronefan]

I have said Mullan deserves a ban whether he kneed him in the balls, stomach, eyebrow, calf, back, tooth, earlobe, big toe. It doesn't matter. My point is he deserves the same as Tommy McGuigan as it was the same offence.

Looking at the bigger picture, two wrongs don't make a right. I know the recent McGuigan case is being cited, but 4 weeks is hardly appropriate for a knee in the nuts when, as i have already mentioned, Finlay got 8 weeks last year for verbals with the ref.

BTW, is there a video link to the Tommy McGuigan incident?

I completely agree Maguire which is why I said Tommy should have got 8 weeks, then Mullan would have had to take 8 weeks as well.  Perhaps contradicting myself slightly in the fact that if its there to be appealed then why not? I just think if the previous incident had have got the proper suspension Mullan's would follow with no questions asked.  Think that makes sense?

why do you only mention tommy , Ricey got a 8 week ban for a hell of a lot less than Mullan so why not compare Ricey's ban against Mullans and looking at that Mullan should have got 12 weeks

f**k me you're as thick as indiana.  McGuigan KNEED sean marty in the balls, Mullan KNEED McManus in the balls, McMeniman did not knee anyone in the balls 

Then why the f**k did Ricey get 8 weeks and the other 2 only get 4 weeks  doesn't make sense

[Will Hunting]

I have said Mullan deserves a ban whether he kneed him in the balls, stomach, eyebrow, calf, back, tooth, earlobe, big toe. It doesn't matter. My point is he deserves the same as Tommy McGuigan as it was the same offence.

Looking at the bigger picture, two wrongs don't make a right. I know the recent McGuigan case is being cited, but 4 weeks is hardly appropriate for a knee in the nuts when, as i have already mentioned, Finlay got 8 weeks last year for verbals with the ref.

BTW, is there a video link to the Tommy McGuigan incident?

I completely agree Maguire which is why I said Tommy should have got 8 weeks, then Mullan would have had to take 8 weeks as well.  Perhaps contradicting myself slightly in the fact that if its there to be appealed then why not? I just think if the previous incident had have got the proper suspension Mullan's would follow with no questions asked.  Think that makes sense?

why do you only mention tommy , Ricey got a 8 week ban for a hell of a lot less than Mullan so why not compare Ricey's ban against Mullans and looking at that Mullan should have got 12 weeks

f**k me you're as thick as indiana.  McGuigan KNEED sean marty in the balls, Mullan KNEED McManus in the balls, McMeniman did not knee anyone in the balls 

Then why the f**k did Ricey get 8 weeks and the other 2 only get 4 weeks  doesn't make sense

Not sure - he was originally given 6-weeks, which was an unheard-of suspension length. maybe tyrone should have tried getting it reduced to 4 weeks (which they prob would have succeeded with) instead of trying to get it fully quashed.

[SidelineKick]

Look, if it was up to me it would be like this:

McMeniman - 4 weeks (6 weeks was ridiculous)
McGuigan - 8 weeks
Mullan - 8 weeks

NO APPEALS!!

[rrhf]

I think Id agree with that.  There seriously needs to be a stop shouter. 

[tyronefan]

Look, if it was up to me it would be like this:

McMeniman - 4 weeks (6 weeks was ridiculous)
McGuigan - 8 weeks
Mullan - 8 weeks

NO APPEALS!!

any chance of getting you on the cccc  Sidelinekick   that looks more sensible

[tbrick18]

oh thats what Ricey got the 8 weeks for  

they went back over the last 10 years clips and he got a ban to cover all this

One minute you derry wans are telling us that Derry wasnt going to appeal Mullins ban because what he done was wrong and he deserved the 8 weeks now he was right to appeal and he really didnt deserve to be banned for that long at all

Sorry are we meant to be mind readers now and know what the County Board are doing? I said I don't think we should have appealed it and I haven't changed my mind about that!

No but it would have been wise to find out what the CB were doing before lording them for not appealing it. 

They didn't appeal the ban, they got it reduced to its appropriate length.

Call it what you want - it was an appeal.
And you really think 4 weeks (1 game in this case) is an appropriate sanction?

Whether or not you or I or anyone else feels it was appropriate, the rules have to be adhered to. The suspension for the charges against both players by the rules should be 4 weeks. From what I have read the appeal was about the lenght of ban applied for both incidents and that they did not match up with what the rules say the ban should have been.
You cant add on an extra 4 weeks just because you want to.

[SidelineKick]

Look, if it was up to me it would be like this:

McMeniman - 4 weeks (6 weeks was ridiculous)
McGuigan - 8 weeks
Mullan - 8 weeks

NO APPEALS!!

any chance of getting you on the cccc  Sidelinekick   that looks more sensible

I just think the whole appeals business is getting out of hand. I had a go a while back at Tyrone and all theri appeals but now Derry are on the same route, yes I agree with them because it keeps it in line with previous suspensions, but I would be happier if the option wasn't there!