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Poor day for diplomacy and world affairs with that shambles of a press conference. What idiot decided on doing it like that? Only a "youtuber" fishing for likes could think it a good idea.

American greedy fat kid with sledgehammer approach to negotiations worrying. They understand war bad. Peace good. Ooohh look, minerals! Lets all be friends and give me all the sweets. And I think their shock and anger at why no one else thinks this is a good deal is genuine.

And very obvious this was a popularity stunt by the WH for the benefit of voters, with no regard for what repercussions there may be internationally. Keep it very simple, shout very loud, look tough. Trump even said it himself, It'll make great TV. Sign of the times we live in. Unfortunately this is not a f**king game show.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

did I miss the peace talks, there were some in Switzerland, not involving the Russians and Russia had some with Trump without Ukrainians.

I think we both agree a diplomatic solution is best. But it should have been done 3 years ago or now,  more delays in finding a peaceful solution is just increasing the bidy coiubt. more sanctions (I think 12 rounds so far), more aid (seems those providing it now want to cripple Ukrainian after the war ends by taking its resources) and more military support, gave f**k all that made ending the war a reality for 3 years so don't see that happening

Zelenskyy went to Trump after the election and before he took office and outlined a plan to him.

There was no diplomatic peace possible 3 years ago. Russia's demands before the invasion were NATO rollback to 1997. Never happening and they knew that so they were intent on invasion at that stage.

Istanbul plan was just Ukrainian capitulation and leaving the entire country wide open for invasion in the future. Then we had the massacres come to light in Bucha. The idea that BJ torpedoed a deal is just ridiculous Russia propaganda.

You're all for listening to Ukraine/Palestinians etc. but you're still not listening. This thing you wish for was not possible. Because of Russia.

As for sanctions - they haven't been robust enough or enforced properly. You only have to look at EU exports to Kyrgyzstan going through the roof to know they are being circumvented. Europe just got a wake up call so maybe they'll finally get serious.

Russia/Ukraine/Israeli/Palestine demands are just that, demands, in peace talks and diplomatic solutions it needs to be all mutually agreed and there is compromises made were agreeable (not appeasement).

I could be wrong on this but did Zelensky and Putin first have direct talks at the end of last year when it became clear Trump would win the election and that meant the US was going to screw over Ukraine more that it had being doing. (I know Putins rhetoric is not to talk but now the US is leaning red he probably will)

There isn't a single concession that you could give to Russia that isn't appeasement.

I also don't know how many times it need to be said (it's exasperating) but Russia will not negotiate in good faith and it will break any agreement. That's why Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees.

You're also mistaken about Zelenskyy and Putin talks last year.

so If Russia won't do anything in good faith, can there be a diplomatic solution? if there isn't how does end?

[trueblue1234]

did I miss the peace talks, there were some in Switzerland, not involving the Russians and Russia had some with Trump without Ukrainians.

I think we both agree a diplomatic solution is best. But it should have been done 3 years ago or now,  more delays in finding a peaceful solution is just increasing the bidy coiubt. more sanctions (I think 12 rounds so far), more aid (seems those providing it now want to cripple Ukrainian after the war ends by taking its resources) and more military support, gave f**k all that made ending the war a reality for 3 years so don't see that happening

Zelenskyy went to Trump after the election and before he took office and outlined a plan to him.

There was no diplomatic peace possible 3 years ago. Russia's demands before the invasion were NATO rollback to 1997. Never happening and they knew that so they were intent on invasion at that stage.

Istanbul plan was just Ukrainian capitulation and leaving the entire country wide open for invasion in the future. Then we had the massacres come to light in Bucha. The idea that BJ torpedoed a deal is just ridiculous Russia propaganda.

You're all for listening to Ukraine/Palestinians etc. but you're still not listening. This thing you wish for was not possible. Because of Russia.

As for sanctions - they haven't been robust enough or enforced properly. You only have to look at EU exports to Kyrgyzstan going through the roof to know they are being circumvented. Europe just got a wake up call so maybe they'll finally get serious.

Russia/Ukraine/Israeli/Palestine demands are just that, demands, in peace talks and diplomatic solutions it needs to be all mutually agreed and there is compromises made were agreeable (not appeasement).

I could be wrong on this but did Zelensky and Putin first have direct talks at the end of last year when it became clear Trump would win the election and that meant the US was going to screw over Ukraine more that it had being doing. (I know Putins rhetoric is not to talk but now the US is leaning red he probably will)

There isn't a single concession that you could give to Russia that isn't appeasement.

I also don't know how many times it need to be said (it's exasperating) but Russia will not negotiate in good faith and it will break any agreement. That's why Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees.

You're also mistaken about Zelenskyy and Putin talks last year.

so If Russia won't do anything in good faith, can there be a diplomatic solution? if there isn't how does end?

By them returning to pre invasion territories. As they should do. Anything else is reward for aggression. Do you think Ukraine should give them concessions for invading them?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

did I miss the peace talks, there were some in Switzerland, not involving the Russians and Russia had some with Trump without Ukrainians.

I think we both agree a diplomatic solution is best. But it should have been done 3 years ago or now,  more delays in finding a peaceful solution is just increasing the bidy coiubt. more sanctions (I think 12 rounds so far), more aid (seems those providing it now want to cripple Ukrainian after the war ends by taking its resources) and more military support, gave f**k all that made ending the war a reality for 3 years so don't see that happening

Zelenskyy went to Trump after the election and before he took office and outlined a plan to him.

There was no diplomatic peace possible 3 years ago. Russia's demands before the invasion were NATO rollback to 1997. Never happening and they knew that so they were intent on invasion at that stage.

Istanbul plan was just Ukrainian capitulation and leaving the entire country wide open for invasion in the future. Then we had the massacres come to light in Bucha. The idea that BJ torpedoed a deal is just ridiculous Russia propaganda.

You're all for listening to Ukraine/Palestinians etc. but you're still not listening. This thing you wish for was not possible. Because of Russia.

As for sanctions - they haven't been robust enough or enforced properly. You only have to look at EU exports to Kyrgyzstan going through the roof to know they are being circumvented. Europe just got a wake up call so maybe they'll finally get serious.

Russia/Ukraine/Israeli/Palestine demands are just that, demands, in peace talks and diplomatic solutions it needs to be all mutually agreed and there is compromises made were agreeable (not appeasement).

I could be wrong on this but did Zelensky and Putin first have direct talks at the end of last year when it became clear Trump would win the election and that meant the US was going to screw over Ukraine more that it had being doing. (I know Putins rhetoric is not to talk but now the US is leaning red he probably will)

There isn't a single concession that you could give to Russia that isn't appeasement.

I also don't know how many times it need to be said (it's exasperating) but Russia will not negotiate in good faith and it will break any agreement. That's why Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees.

You're also mistaken about Zelenskyy and Putin talks last year.

so If Russia won't do anything in good faith, can there be a diplomatic solution? if there isn't how does end?

By them returning to pre invasion territories. As they should do. Anything else is reward for aggression. Do you think Ukraine should give them concessions for invading them?

how?  they don't have nukes and imo shouldn't get them, Europe and US hasn't and won't provide enough support to do that through force?

Ukraine can decide the best deal for themselves, Palestinians too, in both scenarios unfortunately i dont think it will be what they deserve or want.

[trueblue1234]

did I miss the peace talks, there were some in Switzerland, not involving the Russians and Russia had some with Trump without Ukrainians.

I think we both agree a diplomatic solution is best. But it should have been done 3 years ago or now,  more delays in finding a peaceful solution is just increasing the bidy coiubt. more sanctions (I think 12 rounds so far), more aid (seems those providing it now want to cripple Ukrainian after the war ends by taking its resources) and more military support, gave f**k all that made ending the war a reality for 3 years so don't see that happening

Zelenskyy went to Trump after the election and before he took office and outlined a plan to him.

There was no diplomatic peace possible 3 years ago. Russia's demands before the invasion were NATO rollback to 1997. Never happening and they knew that so they were intent on invasion at that stage.

Istanbul plan was just Ukrainian capitulation and leaving the entire country wide open for invasion in the future. Then we had the massacres come to light in Bucha. The idea that BJ torpedoed a deal is just ridiculous Russia propaganda.

You're all for listening to Ukraine/Palestinians etc. but you're still not listening. This thing you wish for was not possible. Because of Russia.

As for sanctions - they haven't been robust enough or enforced properly. You only have to look at EU exports to Kyrgyzstan going through the roof to know they are being circumvented. Europe just got a wake up call so maybe they'll finally get serious.

Russia/Ukraine/Israeli/Palestine demands are just that, demands, in peace talks and diplomatic solutions it needs to be all mutually agreed and there is compromises made were agreeable (not appeasement).

I could be wrong on this but did Zelensky and Putin first have direct talks at the end of last year when it became clear Trump would win the election and that meant the US was going to screw over Ukraine more that it had being doing. (I know Putins rhetoric is not to talk but now the US is leaning red he probably will)

There isn't a single concession that you could give to Russia that isn't appeasement.

I also don't know how many times it need to be said (it's exasperating) but Russia will not negotiate in good faith and it will break any agreement. That's why Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees.

You're also mistaken about Zelenskyy and Putin talks last year.

so If Russia won't do anything in good faith, can there be a diplomatic solution? if there isn't how does end?

By them returning to pre invasion territories. As they should do. Anything else is reward for aggression. Do you think Ukraine should give them concessions for invading them?

how?  they don't have nukes and imo shouldn't get them, Europe and US hasn't and won't provide enough support to do that through force?

Put pressure on Europe to provide more support.
You didn't answer the second part?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

did I miss the peace talks, there were some in Switzerland, not involving the Russians and Russia had some with Trump without Ukrainians.

I think we both agree a diplomatic solution is best. But it should have been done 3 years ago or now,  more delays in finding a peaceful solution is just increasing the bidy coiubt. more sanctions (I think 12 rounds so far), more aid (seems those providing it now want to cripple Ukrainian after the war ends by taking its resources) and more military support, gave f**k all that made ending the war a reality for 3 years so don't see that happening

Zelenskyy went to Trump after the election and before he took office and outlined a plan to him.

There was no diplomatic peace possible 3 years ago. Russia's demands before the invasion were NATO rollback to 1997. Never happening and they knew that so they were intent on invasion at that stage.

Istanbul plan was just Ukrainian capitulation and leaving the entire country wide open for invasion in the future. Then we had the massacres come to light in Bucha. The idea that BJ torpedoed a deal is just ridiculous Russia propaganda.

You're all for listening to Ukraine/Palestinians etc. but you're still not listening. This thing you wish for was not possible. Because of Russia.

As for sanctions - they haven't been robust enough or enforced properly. You only have to look at EU exports to Kyrgyzstan going through the roof to know they are being circumvented. Europe just got a wake up call so maybe they'll finally get serious.

Russia/Ukraine/Israeli/Palestine demands are just that, demands, in peace talks and diplomatic solutions it needs to be all mutually agreed and there is compromises made were agreeable (not appeasement).

I could be wrong on this but did Zelensky and Putin first have direct talks at the end of last year when it became clear Trump would win the election and that meant the US was going to screw over Ukraine more that it had being doing. (I know Putins rhetoric is not to talk but now the US is leaning red he probably will)

There isn't a single concession that you could give to Russia that isn't appeasement.

I also don't know how many times it need to be said (it's exasperating) but Russia will not negotiate in good faith and it will break any agreement. That's why Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees.

You're also mistaken about Zelenskyy and Putin talks last year.

so If Russia won't do anything in good faith, can there be a diplomatic solution? if there isn't how does end?

By them returning to pre invasion territories. As they should do. Anything else is reward for aggression. Do you think Ukraine should give them concessions for invading them?

how?  they don't have nukes and imo shouldn't get them, Europe and US hasn't and won't provide enough support to do that through force?

Put pressure on Europe to provide more support.
You didn't answer the second part?

the same Europe that watched on as Israeli committed a genocide and for 3 years hasn't provided enough support.

I'd edited the last post to answer. I dont think they should but they might have too, just like the Palestinians.

[trueblue1234]

And do you think rewarding the aggression will make them more likely or less likely to do the same again in a few years?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

And do you think rewarding the aggression will make them more likely or less likely to do the same again in a few years?

That depends on a large number of factors, Israel and oslo being an example why 'rewarding' might not be the best idea, that's doesn't mean a diplomatic peaceful solution isn't what's needed.

[trueblue1234]

Sometimes there are no acceptable diplomatic solutions unfortunately. I don't see a diplomatic solution that will be acceptable to both here.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Sometimes there are no acceptable diplomatic solutions unfortunately. I don't see a diplomatic solution that will be acceptable to both here.

so your solution is wait more time for Europe is enter the war?

[trueblue1234]

It's not a solution. But I don't see other options as I mentioned.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Was the solution not to try and wait until Putin croaked and then hope the next Russian leaders brain wasn't pickled in a cocktail of hate and various meds to prolong life.

[J70]

In other news, with all the MAGA moral panic in recent years about Pizzagate, drag queens reading to grooming kids, sex trafficking,"adrenochrome" etc., etc., one of the early acts of the new administration is to force the Romanians to let the Tate brothers out of custody to come back to the US.

[Banks of the Bann]

did I miss the peace talks, there were some in Switzerland, not involving the Russians and Russia had some with Trump without Ukrainians.

I think we both agree a diplomatic solution is best. But it should have been done 3 years ago or now,  more delays in finding a peaceful solution is just increasing the bidy coiubt. more sanctions (I think 12 rounds so far), more aid (seems those providing it now want to cripple Ukrainian after the war ends by taking its resources) and more military support, gave f**k all that made ending the war a reality for 3 years so don't see that happening

Zelenskyy went to Trump after the election and before he took office and outlined a plan to him.

There was no diplomatic peace possible 3 years ago. Russia's demands before the invasion were NATO rollback to 1997. Never happening and they knew that so they were intent on invasion at that stage.

Istanbul plan was just Ukrainian capitulation and leaving the entire country wide open for invasion in the future. Then we had the massacres come to light in Bucha. The idea that BJ torpedoed a deal is just ridiculous Russia propaganda.

You're all for listening to Ukraine/Palestinians etc. but you're still not listening. This thing you wish for was not possible. Because of Russia.

As for sanctions - they haven't been robust enough or enforced properly. You only have to look at EU exports to Kyrgyzstan going through the roof to know they are being circumvented. Europe just got a wake up call so maybe they'll finally get serious.

Russia/Ukraine/Israeli/Palestine demands are just that, demands, in peace talks and diplomatic solutions it needs to be all mutually agreed and there is compromises made were agreeable (not appeasement).

I could be wrong on this but did Zelensky and Putin first have direct talks at the end of last year when it became clear Trump would win the election and that meant the US was going to screw over Ukraine more that it had being doing. (I know Putins rhetoric is not to talk but now the US is leaning red he probably will)

There isn't a single concession that you could give to Russia that isn't appeasement.

I also don't know how many times it need to be said (it's exasperating) but Russia will not negotiate in good faith and it will break any agreement. That's why Ukraine is insisting on security guarantees.

You're also mistaken about Zelenskyy and Putin talks last year.

so If Russia won't do anything in good faith, can there be a diplomatic solution? if there isn't how does end?

There can't be any diplomatic solution until pressure is brought to bear on Russia so that either Putin is replaced and/or the Russian empire implodes like the Soviet Union did. Putin will be toast in that scenario.

That requires more sanctions and more financial and military aid for Ukraine.

Trump has gone for what he thinks is the easier option. Betraying Ukraine and jumping into bed with Russia. Except it won't being peace to Europe. Trump is an ignorant bully.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

In other news, with all the MAGA moral panic in recent years about Pizzagate, drag queens reading to grooming kids, sex trafficking,"adrenochrome" etc., etc., one of the early acts of the new administration is to force the Romanians to let the Tate brothers out of custody to come back to the US.

Every accusation a confession, as the phrase goes.