Sigerson Cup 2009

[Zulu]

This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.

Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them. 

That's a pretty patethic comment, college football is run and supported almost solely by the players and the coaches and is a very true version of the GAA. Like I said if you wanted to have a pop off any aspect of the GAA you could do so but colleges GAA deserves it less than most. I don't know of any senior club where the panel members had to go out bag packing like members of the college team I was involved in did. I could give numerous examples of college players going beyond the call of duty for their team and as a result college teams become very close. It's a real shame that more so called 'grassroots' GAA men can't appreciate that the GAA is played in many forms and that the rural club doesn't hold an elevated place within the GAA.

[INDIANA]

Expensive weekend for Dublin football- Paul flynn got a suspected broken ankle and paul brogan's cruciate looks like its gone for the second time. Another panelist Colin Daly has a torn quad muscle.  And people wonder why Crokes didn't let their players play. 2 games in 2 days coming up to an all-ireland final would have been madness. If it was 1 game max, then maybe there would have been a case. As it happens I think Cork IT were the best team in the competition and deserved the win.

[The GAA]

Just my tuppence worth on the "argument". Anyone who thinks a Sigerson medal comes remotely close to an All-Ireland club medal is off their rocker. Especially these days with so many "courses" and ways to sign lads up. The competition - while a high standard and meaninful to those involved - really has little integrity. A glorified inter firms competition. On the other hand imagine winning an All-Ireland medal with lads you have played football with for about 20 years since ye were hardly able to kick the ball out of your way? No comparison.

That attitude only prevails among people who were never involved in fitzgibben or sigerson cup teams

[whiskeysteve]

This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.

Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them. 

That's a pretty patethic comment, college football is run and supported almost solely by the players and the coaches and is a very true version of the GAA. Like I said if you wanted to have a pop off any aspect of the GAA you could do so but colleges GAA deserves it less than most. I don't know of any senior club where the panel members had to go out bag packing like members of the college team I was involved in did. I could give numerous examples of college players going beyond the call of duty for their team and as a result college teams become very close. It's a real shame that more so called 'grassroots' GAA men can't appreciate that the GAA is played in many forms and that the rural club doesn't hold an elevated place within the GAA.

What do you mean by bag packing?

[magpie seanie]

Just my tuppence worth on the "argument". Anyone who thinks a Sigerson medal comes remotely close to an All-Ireland club medal is off their rocker. Especially these days with so many "courses" and ways to sign lads up. The competition - while a high standard and meaninful to those involved - really has little integrity. A glorified inter firms competition. On the other hand imagine winning an All-Ireland medal with lads you have played football with for about 20 years since ye were hardly able to kick the ball out of your way? No comparison.

That attitude only prevails among people who were never involved in fitzgibben or sigerson cup teams

How come I have it so? To even try to compare the two is rubbish.


Zulu - I never said great effort isn't put in and of course the standard is high but my argument still stands. The integrity of the competition is always under question in my eyes. Surely even its biggest fans would have to accept that? IT Tralee - how did they do this year? Don't suppose we're going to agree any time soon on this so I'll leave it at that.

[Captain Black]

This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.

Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them. 

That's a pretty patethic comment, college football is run and supported almost solely by the players and the coaches and is a very true version of the GAA. Like I said if you wanted to have a pop off any aspect of the GAA you could do so but colleges GAA deserves it less than most. I don't know of any senior club where the panel members had to go out bag packing like members of the college team I was involved in did. I could give numerous examples of college players going beyond the call of duty for their team and as a result college teams become very close. It's a real shame that more so called 'grassroots' GAA men can't appreciate that the GAA is played in many forms and that the rural club doesn't hold an elevated place within the GAA.

holy god get over yourself most players give decades of service and pay plenty of money to the club over that time to do so. Most boys give 4 or so years at uni and certainly enjoy the social side of playing uni football. which ends for most in february. then they take the degree and go. bit more status cause of the good prospects on show but honestly who cares come the summer??

the effort put into a uni team pales into comparison with your club

[corn02]

I don't think anyone has come neat to suggesting it is as important as the club All-ireland.

Grievances come when it is being devalued in such ways. An glorified inter-fimes competition Seanie? Come off it, that is way off line and very harsh.

I understand your point about the legitimacy of players, but, then again, club players transfer at an increasingly fast rate so you could extend those issues to that competition too, on a smaller scale of course.

Of course it could not compare to a club allireland, and I don;t think anyone is claiming that, but it is a brilliant GAA competition ehld in the highest regard by plenty.

[muppet]

Grievances come when it is being devalued in such ways.

I would guess some of the perceived grievances impact upon the large number of current students that post here. Many others were students in the past and involved in various teams are possibly in a better position to compare having done both over a longer career.

Loyalty to your current ream is understandable and admirable but it doesn't change where you start and finish playing (for most people). You'll look fondly back at your college days in the same way as your secondary school days (if you were fortunate to be on a very competitive Hogan Cup team) or indeed maybe a top inter-firms team (never played in it myself).

But none of those supercede the Club.

[corn02]

But none of those supercede the Club.

And no one could argue different, not the point people are making here.

[BallyhaiseMan]

Expensive weekend for Dublin football- Paul flynn got a suspected broken ankle and paul brogan's cruciate looks like its gone for the second time. Another panelist Colin Daly has a torn quad muscle.  And people wonder why Crokes didn't let their players play. 2 games in 2 days coming up to an all-ireland final would have been madness. If it was 1 game max, then maybe there would have been a case. As it happens I think Cork IT were the best team in the competition and deserved the win.

I think its about time the sigerson semi finals and finals were split.I know its doing away with the whole sigerson weekend concept but, playing two high quality games against opposition where nearly every player is a countyman is too hard on the body.These injuries occuring is testament to that.I believe we would also have higher quality of games if this occured
Martin Reily with DIT played
Sigerson Semi on Friday
Sigerson Final on Saturday
League opener with Killygarry back in Cavan on Sunday. Too much to ask any player to do.

[thewingedlady]

Anyone who's been heavily involved with a college football team knows that there's a serious bond that grows between the players and while it's hard to compare it with other competitions it's definitely the be and end all for the players involved.

I'll give you an example - Joe Brolly said on his Laochra Gael episode that he 'wept inconsolably' for a week after losing a Sigerson semi-final in the early 90's, yet in the book 'The Chosen Ones' (Colm Keys and Martin Breheny) Brolly stated that winning the All-Ireland with Derry in 1993 was 'the greatest anticlimax of my life.' Sigerson obviously meant a lot to him.

[INDIANA]

Expensive weekend for Dublin football- Paul flynn got a suspected broken ankle and paul brogan's cruciate looks like its gone for the second time. Another panelist Colin Daly has a torn quad muscle.  And people wonder why Crokes didn't let their players play. 2 games in 2 days coming up to an all-ireland final would have been madness. If it was 1 game max, then maybe there would have been a case. As it happens I think Cork IT were the best team in the competition and deserved the win.

I think its about time the sigerson semi finals and finals were split.I know its doing away with the whole sigerson weekend concept but, playing two high quality games against opposition where nearly every player is a countyman is too hard on the body.These injuries occuring is testament to that.I believe we would also have higher quality of games if this occured
Martin Reily with DIT played
Sigerson Semi on Friday
Sigerson Final on Saturday
League opener with Killygarry back in Cavan on Sunday. Too much to ask any player to do.

If I was the Killygarry manager I wouldn't have asked him to play a club league game. I mean do any of these managers care about player welfare at all.

[mattockranger]

Anyone know who won the freshers all-ireland??

between DCU and UCC??

thanks lads

[The GAA]

was due to be played yesterday in croke park but was postponed due to this weekend's provincial u21 matches

[mattockranger]

Croke park really?

very good thanks GAA