And the Red Poppies Dance

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Well, given how Britain had adhered religiously to her promises in the seven centuries of her (mis)rule in Ireland before, there's no doubt we could have had absolute cast-iron faith in her latest promise in 1916 (not) 

Connolly, Pearse, Ceannt, Mc Donagh, Mc Dermott, Clarke, Plunkett, Collins, etc., were of the time, and had the exact measure of the bona fides of perfidious Albion. I know where my faith would have lain.

So your admit your where wrong , that's very big of you .

Huh?!... I wrote in the English language, what language were you reading?

And let's nail something here as well lads: the rebels of 1916 knew exactly what the British response to their efforts would be, and they also were fully aware that it was this (wholly disproportionate) response, which is the only thing British rule in Ireland is capable of, that would be the mechanism to sway public opinion fully behind them, i.e., only by their certain deaths would the momentum arise. How right they were.

And just for Gnevin & Tankie

Wear your Royal British Legion Poppy with Pride!

[Gnevin]

Well, given how Britain had adhered religiously to her promises in the seven centuries of her (mis)rule in Ireland before, there's no doubt we could have had absolute cast-iron faith in her latest promise in 1916 (not) 

Connolly, Pearse, Ceannt, Mc Donagh, Mc Dermott, Clarke, Plunkett, Collins, etc., were of the time, and had the exact measure of the bona fides of perfidious Albion. I know where my faith would have lain.

So your admit your where wrong , that's very big of you .

Huh?!... I wrote in the English language, what language were you reading?

And let's nail something here as well lads: the rebels of 1916 knew exactly what the British response to their efforts would be, and they also were fully aware that it was this (wholly disproportionate) response, which is the only thing British rule in Ireland is capable of, that would be the mechanism to sway public opinion fully behind them, i.e., only by their certain deaths would the momentum arise. How right they were.

And just for Gnevin & Tankie

Wear your Royal British Legion Poppy with Pride!

Pathetic .

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Pathetic .

Erm... you have it in one!

[Mentalman]

As a PR exercise it was very damaging to Republicanism initially, with most commentary being along the lines that those who were told they were fighting for Irish self determination in WWI had been stabbed in the back.

That commentary was largely British as I'm fairly sure there weren't too many nationalist minded media outlets around that time. If the lads fighting in WWI were actually fighting for Irish Freedom as they believed they were then they would have had no issue with this. The problem was they were conned. It was all about preserving Britain's postion in the world.

These men should be remembered but not with the poppy. They were there for different reasons and all the more tragically they had been duped.

Not into the Poppy thing myself Seanie, if people want to wear it fair enough, but it's not my bag, as I said I was just trying to put the thing in perspective.

As to the commentary, I'll take your word for it, but I seem to remember reading about the captives from the rising being booed and worse on their way to prison by the common folks of Dublin - obviously with many of their men folk away in the trenches.

Again perspectives are important, even watching the documentary the other night guys who considered themselves nationalist in the British army had obviously become "more British than British" in the way we see up North after the events of the rising.

As for duping, of course they were, as were the Unionists. And not just by the British - defend Catholic Belgium for instance.

At the end of the day WWI  was a totally avoidable tragedy brought about by naked imperialist aggression. If that wasn't bad enough in it lay the seeds of WWII.

[Gnevin]

Pathetic .

Erm... you have it in one!

Just too be clear , I would not ware a British poppy hence why your comment is pathetic as I've made that quite clear .Why do some people still feel the need to consider what the Brits in everything they do

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Pathetic .

Erm... you have it in one!

Just too be clear , I would not ware a British poppy hence why your comment is pathetic as I've made that quite clear

Time to stop digging maybe?

[Gnevin]

Pathetic .

Erm... you have it in one!

Just too be clear , I would not ware a British poppy hence why your comment is pathetic as I've made that quite clear

Time to stop digging maybe?

Time to stop living in the past maybe?

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Time to stop living in the past maybe?

Cracker, never heard that one before.

[magpie seanie]

Pathetic .

Erm... you have it in one!

Just too be clear , I would not ware a British poppy hence why your comment is pathetic as I've made that quite clear

Time to stop digging maybe?

Time to stop living in the past maybe?

[Tankie]

Pathetic .

Erm... you have it in one!

Just too be clear , I would not ware a British poppy hence why your comment is pathetic as I've made that quite clear

Time to stop digging maybe?

Yor really have made a fool of yourself now. it has always been made clear that I just wanted to remember these Irish men, nothing to do with Britain.

You really are no different that Big Ian, Myers etc - you just happen to be at the total opposite end of them which is just as bad as neither group sees sence or reality.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Yor really have made a fool of yourself now.

[ludermor]

I think its time for a poll!

[Tankie]

Yor really have made a fool of yourself now.

Just goes to show what ur dealing with! go back to your nordie politics and let the rest of the country have proper debates about real issues!

[magpie seanie]

I think its time for a poll!

Seconded.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Just goes to show what ur dealing with! go back to your nordie politics and let the rest of the country have proper debates about real issues!

You're a fount of unalloyed sense.