our boys

[Nally Stand]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

and Nally Stand's first contribution to debate was

...says the blueshirt

hypocritical much 

Which came in response to your post which was nothing but partitionist abuse. Cáthasaigh has raised a number of arguments about the 26 county army which you obviously disagree with. He has invited you or whoever else, to debate these issues, yet you have just replied to him with your usual childish sarcasm to avoid tough debate.

Wise up, do you ever listen to yourself, you throw around Free State, West Brit, Blueshirt ad nauesem. The new lad is very liberal with his interpretation of a fascist, his vitriol towards the Irish State and its defenders of the peace and security is absurd. It seems he forgot Mr.Connolly was a soldier in the British Monarchs army. Rookie mistake I suppose. waiting to see if he changes to a simple Starry Plough. Of course will he go green like in the time of Connolly, or the reformed blue version which strangely in his avatar is with a man who was dead by the time of the colour change. Wonder will he answer me about armed revolution against the Irish state, but sure unlike you Nally, I won't demand an answer (being a democrat myself) unless he wants to.

Right so once again, rather than discuss his main arguments you discuss his avatar. Useful counter argument alright.  Not surprised a FGer like you would be talking about removing the picture of James Connolly I must say. Going by your comments in the thread I linked to earlier, I assume you regard Connolly as a criminal who you "have lukewarm feelings about" because you are "a democrat" and he took up arms rather than tried to "force the Brits to let us go by the ballot box" (Unlike Collins of course. Ooops    )

Your funny Nally, you really are. You talk about avoidance and misrepresenting arguments. It is clear from what I said that I was pointing out his avatar was James Connolly, ex-British Army serviceman. This same poster then goes on the rant about ex-British Army servicemen, did you miss that, did you? Go on stop deflecting 

Yes Mayo but discussing his avatar does not qualify as debating his various points. It is just deflecting from them. You have yet to come up with a reasoned retort to the specific points raised posts in any way, shape or form.

[Hardy]

I'm not getting into any sort of debate on the 26 county army myself, but jaysus lads, for the sake of interesting reading if nothing else, if yis disagree with Cáthasaigh then have the balls to outline why, in terms of his arguments (not just by picking out one of his arguments and blissfully ignoring the rest, EG/Muppet.) (Or in the case of MGHU, blissfully ignoring all of his arguments).

It's impossible to debate with Cáthasaigh's logic - that because x happened in the past, y is going to happen in the future. Morrissey said recently that "if the British people decided tomorrow that the Queen must go, then the Queen wouldn't hesitate to turn her tanks on the British people. It would happen. Because the police are commissioned to protect the Queen against the people of England. That's their first and foremost task. And I find that absolutely absurd". No doubt he could look to Bloody Sunday (x2) and Amritsar as evidence for this assertion. Yet how do you disprove it? You can't prove a negative.

You mightn't feel the need to try to disprove it once you've formed an opinion on its credibility. Such an opinion might be informed by drivel such as the following:

the same garrison families who provided the officer corps of Britain's Irish regiments have consistently formed the backbone of the 26C officer corps

The echo of the ethos which accompanied such behaviour can be found today in the state's relationship with IRMS, the company which trains right wing extremists for corporate death squads, which was founded by former senior members of the 26C elite Ranger Wing 

The 26C army has never been anything other than the willing henchman of the 26C state

That last one is one of the funniest things I've read here in a while. Next we'll be hearing that the legislature is in cahoots with the judiciary and the presidency in a conspiracy to govern the country.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

and Nally Stand's first contribution to debate was

...says the blueshirt

hypocritical much 

Which came in response to your post which was nothing but partitionist abuse. Cáthasaigh has raised a number of arguments about the 26 county army which you obviously disagree with. He has invited you or whoever else, to debate these issues, yet you have just replied to him with your usual childish sarcasm to avoid tough debate.

Wise up, do you ever listen to yourself, you throw around Free State, West Brit, Blueshirt ad nauesem. The new lad is very liberal with his interpretation of a fascist, his vitriol towards the Irish State and its defenders of the peace and security is absurd. It seems he forgot Mr.Connolly was a soldier in the British Monarchs army. Rookie mistake I suppose. waiting to see if he changes to a simple Starry Plough. Of course will he go green like in the time of Connolly, or the reformed blue version which strangely in his avatar is with a man who was dead by the time of the colour change. Wonder will he answer me about armed revolution against the Irish state, but sure unlike you Nally, I won't demand an answer (being a democrat myself) unless he wants to.

Right so once again, rather than discuss his main arguments you discuss his avatar. Useful counter argument alright.  Not surprised a FGer like you would be talking about removing the picture of James Connolly I must say. Going by your comments in the thread I linked to earlier, I assume you regard Connolly as a criminal who you "have lukewarm feelings about" because you are "a democrat" and he took up arms rather than tried to "force the Brits to let us go by the ballot box" (Unlike Collins of course. Ooops    )

Your funny Nally, you really are. You talk about avoidance and misrepresenting arguments. It is clear from what I said that I was pointing out his avatar was James Connolly, ex-British Army serviceman. This same poster then goes on the rant about ex-British Army servicemen, did you miss that, did you? Go on stop deflecting 

Yes Mayo but discussing his avatar does not qualify as debating his various points. It is just deflecting from them. You have yet to come up with a reasoned retort to the specific points raised posts in any way, shape or form.

Well you see Nally, our new poster has yet to back up his points with even a scrap of evidence. What makes you think me or anyone else who reads this or has responded needs to disprove him, as he hasn't even tried to prove it himself. You seem to hold a higher standard for those you disagree with than those you agree or sympathise with. Choose your allies carefully, I think your new friend may have very different view on the Republican movement to yourself.

[Nally Stand]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

and Nally Stand's first contribution to debate was

...says the blueshirt

hypocritical much 

Which came in response to your post which was nothing but partitionist abuse. Cáthasaigh has raised a number of arguments about the 26 county army which you obviously disagree with. He has invited you or whoever else, to debate these issues, yet you have just replied to him with your usual childish sarcasm to avoid tough debate.

Wise up, do you ever listen to yourself, you throw around Free State, West Brit, Blueshirt ad nauesem. The new lad is very liberal with his interpretation of a fascist, his vitriol towards the Irish State and its defenders of the peace and security is absurd. It seems he forgot Mr.Connolly was a soldier in the British Monarchs army. Rookie mistake I suppose. waiting to see if he changes to a simple Starry Plough. Of course will he go green like in the time of Connolly, or the reformed blue version which strangely in his avatar is with a man who was dead by the time of the colour change. Wonder will he answer me about armed revolution against the Irish state, but sure unlike you Nally, I won't demand an answer (being a democrat myself) unless he wants to.

Right so once again, rather than discuss his main arguments you discuss his avatar. Useful counter argument alright.  Not surprised a FGer like you would be talking about removing the picture of James Connolly I must say. Going by your comments in the thread I linked to earlier, I assume you regard Connolly as a criminal who you "have lukewarm feelings about" because you are "a democrat" and he took up arms rather than tried to "force the Brits to let us go by the ballot box" (Unlike Collins of course. Ooops    )

Your funny Nally, you really are. You talk about avoidance and misrepresenting arguments. It is clear from what I said that I was pointing out his avatar was James Connolly, ex-British Army serviceman. This same poster then goes on the rant about ex-British Army servicemen, did you miss that, did you? Go on stop deflecting 

Yes Mayo but discussing his avatar does not qualify as debating his various points. It is just deflecting from them. You have yet to come up with a reasoned retort to the specific points raised posts in any way, shape or form.

Well you see Nally, our new poster has yet to back up his points with even a scrap of evidence. What makes you think me or anyone else who reads this or has responded needs to disprove him, as he hasn't even tried to prove it himself. You seem to hold a higher standard for those you disagree with than those you agree or sympathise with. Choose your allies carefully, I think your new friend may have very different view on the Republican movement to yourself.

I don't recall referring to him as an ally. I am trying to encourage you to discuss his points rather than hide behind childish, sarcastic replies. For the sake of interesting reading if nothing else. If his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, then show some maturity and discuss why in terms of his different arguments.

Or don't  . This thread is boring the hole of me at this stage, and it could have made interesting debate. It might yet, we'll see.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

and Nally Stand's first contribution to debate was

...says the blueshirt

hypocritical much 

Which came in response to your post which was nothing but partitionist abuse. Cáthasaigh has raised a number of arguments about the 26 county army which you obviously disagree with. He has invited you or whoever else, to debate these issues, yet you have just replied to him with your usual childish sarcasm to avoid tough debate.

Wise up, do you ever listen to yourself, you throw around Free State, West Brit, Blueshirt ad nauesem. The new lad is very liberal with his interpretation of a fascist, his vitriol towards the Irish State and its defenders of the peace and security is absurd. It seems he forgot Mr.Connolly was a soldier in the British Monarchs army. Rookie mistake I suppose. waiting to see if he changes to a simple Starry Plough. Of course will he go green like in the time of Connolly, or the reformed blue version which strangely in his avatar is with a man who was dead by the time of the colour change. Wonder will he answer me about armed revolution against the Irish state, but sure unlike you Nally, I won't demand an answer (being a democrat myself) unless he wants to.

Right so once again, rather than discuss his main arguments you discuss his avatar. Useful counter argument alright.  Not surprised a FGer like you would be talking about removing the picture of James Connolly I must say. Going by your comments in the thread I linked to earlier, I assume you regard Connolly as a criminal who you "have lukewarm feelings about" because you are "a democrat" and he took up arms rather than tried to "force the Brits to let us go by the ballot box" (Unlike Collins of course. Ooops    )

Your funny Nally, you really are. You talk about avoidance and misrepresenting arguments. It is clear from what I said that I was pointing out his avatar was James Connolly, ex-British Army serviceman. This same poster then goes on the rant about ex-British Army servicemen, did you miss that, did you? Go on stop deflecting 

Yes Mayo but discussing his avatar does not qualify as debating his various points. It is just deflecting from them. You have yet to come up with a reasoned retort to the specific points raised posts in any way, shape or form.

Well you see Nally, our new poster has yet to back up his points with even a scrap of evidence. What makes you think me or anyone else who reads this or has responded needs to disprove him, as he hasn't even tried to prove it himself. You seem to hold a higher standard for those you disagree with than those you agree or sympathise with. Choose your allies carefully, I think your new friend may have very different view on the Republican movement to yourself.

I don't recall referring to him as an ally. I am trying to encourage you to discuss his points rather than hide behind childish, sarcastic replies. For the sake of interesting reading if nothing else. If his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, then show some maturity and discuss why in terms of his different arguments.

Or don't  . This thread is boring the hole of me at this stage, and it could have made interesting debate. It might yet, we'll see.

Heres a though Nally Stand, let Cáthasaigh the accuser bear the burden of proof against the Irish State and its security services. Ask him to present his evidence. Then maybe myself or others that seem unimpressed by his evidence so far, which has included Muppet, Rossfan, Evil Genius, deiseach and hardy might discuss his points.

Is this argument getting boring because you can feel it slipping away from you?

[deiseach]

That last one is one of the funniest things I've read here in a while. Next we'll be hearing that the legislature is in cahoots with the judiciary and the presidency in a conspiracy to govern the country.

We'll get Loo-tenant Stone and Inspector Keller on the case

[Evil Genius]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

How does one debate rationally with someone whose views eg on the Irish Defence Forces' activities in South Lebanon in 2011 are informed by the actions of the Free State Army in South Kerry in 1923?

That seems to me to reflect an ultra-zealous mindset which is so determined to maintain a certain line that it will not brook any questioning, qualification or modification.

In fact, one might almost term this mindset "Paisleyite"...

That argument would only have any validity if you were to ignore all his posts except his reference to South Kerry in 1923. Amongst other contemporary examples/arguments [Cathasaigh] also stated "The echo of the ethos which accompanied such behaviour can be found today in the state's relationship with IRMS, the company which trains right wing extremists for corporate death squads, which was founded by former senior members of the 26C elite Ranger Wing."

Why not quote the opening  of Cathasaigh's argument?

"The 26C army which is the direct descendent of the force of IRA deserters and former British soldiers (Free State Army) which used British-supplied weapons and logistical support to liquidate their countrymen through firing squads and war crimes. This army went on to guard concentration camps where political opponents were interned without trial, summarily executed and tortured."

In other words, without pause or shame, Cathasigh linked the modern Defence Forces (or "26C army", as he prefers it) with the atrocities of Ballyseedy etc, the clear implication being that opprobrium for the latter should transfer to the former.

Then, having attempted to confine the "debate" within that ultra-narrow context, he went on to label MGHU a "Fascist" because he doesn't unquestioningly accept Cathasaigh's own loaded premise i.e:  "If you're proud of actions which, under the terms of Nuremburg, were war crimes then you're little more than a Fascist...".

Next, Cathasaigh suggested MGHU: "... should apply for a job with IRMS....the company formed by former members of the Ranger Wing which trains mercenaries for use in corporate liquidation operations all over the third world. Mike Dwyer who was shot in Bolivia was one of theirs.".  In other words, he seeks to link MGHU's admiration for the peacekeeping role of the Defence Forces eg in South Lebanon or East Timor with the private  actions of a few former servicemen, committed after  they left the service.

Finally, he closes with: "They also have a cosey relationship with the Gombín state providing security for Fianna Fáil conferences and bully boys to threaten protestors in Corrib." - as though the Irish Defence Forces should be held accountable for the actions of a political party, no longer even in Government, when that party uses a dubious private security company for their own ends.

All of which would be laughable enough, were it not that the political party in question, is Fianna Fail, and anyone who knows anything about MGHU would know that he is hardly FF's best friend on this Board! 

Anyhow, this debating-style may impress (suit?) you, but imo it doesn't add to the Board; rather it detracts from it.

[Rossfan]

That's a very simplistic position to adopt and you deliberately ignore the historical legacy of totalitarian behaviour towards the Irish people willingly engaged in by the 26C forces upon governmental whim;  All Armies operate under the control of the govenment of the day
the concentration camps, Are you talking about the Civil War internment camps in 1922/23/24 or the "Emergency" ones in the 40s Obv the Governemnt people would say that these were justified as there was an Armed Insurrection in the 20s and the very small group of IRA in the 40s were intent on bringing in Germans or else provoking the Brits to invade the 26 Cos.
the summary executions, -  the atrocities and the torture. - See above. All under the direction of the governemt 9 except perhaps some of those in Kerry.
This should come as little surprise as the same garrison families who provided the officer corps of Britain's Irish regiments have consistently formed the backbone of the 26C officer corps. - This is total bullshit
The echo of the ethos which accompanied such behaviour can be found today in the state's relationship with IRMS, the company which trains right wing extremists for corporate death squads, which was founded by former senior members of the 26C elite Ranger Wing.-
All militarists are usually right wing and some put their former professional expertise to use for pay to all sorts
The 26C army has never been anything other than the willing henchman of the 26C state-
As said before Armies do what their Governemtn tells them , thankfully in most cases where the Governemt is elected.

[Nally Stand]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

and Nally Stand's first contribution to debate was

...says the blueshirt

hypocritical much 

Which came in response to your post which was nothing but partitionist abuse. Cáthasaigh has raised a number of arguments about the 26 county army which you obviously disagree with. He has invited you or whoever else, to debate these issues, yet you have just replied to him with your usual childish sarcasm to avoid tough debate.

Wise up, do you ever listen to yourself, you throw around Free State, West Brit, Blueshirt ad nauesem. The new lad is very liberal with his interpretation of a fascist, his vitriol towards the Irish State and its defenders of the peace and security is absurd. It seems he forgot Mr.Connolly was a soldier in the British Monarchs army. Rookie mistake I suppose. waiting to see if he changes to a simple Starry Plough. Of course will he go green like in the time of Connolly, or the reformed blue version which strangely in his avatar is with a man who was dead by the time of the colour change. Wonder will he answer me about armed revolution against the Irish state, but sure unlike you Nally, I won't demand an answer (being a democrat myself) unless he wants to.

Right so once again, rather than discuss his main arguments you discuss his avatar. Useful counter argument alright.  Not surprised a FGer like you would be talking about removing the picture of James Connolly I must say. Going by your comments in the thread I linked to earlier, I assume you regard Connolly as a criminal who you "have lukewarm feelings about" because you are "a democrat" and he took up arms rather than tried to "force the Brits to let us go by the ballot box" (Unlike Collins of course. Ooops    )

Your funny Nally, you really are. You talk about avoidance and misrepresenting arguments. It is clear from what I said that I was pointing out his avatar was James Connolly, ex-British Army serviceman. This same poster then goes on the rant about ex-British Army servicemen, did you miss that, did you? Go on stop deflecting 

Yes Mayo but discussing his avatar does not qualify as debating his various points. It is just deflecting from them. You have yet to come up with a reasoned retort to the specific points raised posts in any way, shape or form.

Well you see Nally, our new poster has yet to back up his points with even a scrap of evidence. What makes you think me or anyone else who reads this or has responded needs to disprove him, as he hasn't even tried to prove it himself. You seem to hold a higher standard for those you disagree with than those you agree or sympathise with. Choose your allies carefully, I think your new friend may have very different view on the Republican movement to yourself.

I don't recall referring to him as an ally. I am trying to encourage you to discuss his points rather than hide behind childish, sarcastic replies. For the sake of interesting reading if nothing else. If his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, then show some maturity and discuss why in terms of his different arguments.

Or don't  . This thread is boring the hole of me at this stage, and it could have made interesting debate. It might yet, we'll see.

Heres a though Nally Stand, let Cáthasaigh the accuser bear the burden of proof against the Irish State and its security services. Ask him to present his evidence. Then maybe myself or others that seem unimpressed by his evidence so far, which has included Muppet, Rossfan, Evil Genius, deiseach and hardy might discuss his points.

Is this argument getting boring because you can feel it slipping away from you?

I wasn't trying to get in any argument with you, I was trying to encourage you to discuss the topic reasonably with Cáthasaigh, but you did give me a good laugh there saying the argument was "slipping away from you"



You'd know all about that, as the following posters suggested  .....



Post #927: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963132#msg963132
"mayogodhelpus, you are going nowwhere with this one" (armaniac)

Post #949: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963189#msg963189
"Pretty weak MGHU. Pretty weak." (AZOffaly)

Post #953: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963196#msg963196
"Can I politely suggest that you go out for a rake of pints and leave the iPhone/iPad/laptop till monday." (Muppet)

Post #960: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963217#msg963217
Great post one from Pints that I quoted earlier

Post #961: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963219#msg963219
AZOffaly

Post #972: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963371#msg963371
"I'd leave it nally. He has talked himself into a corner and will now ignore direct questions and hope everyone forgets his stupidity on this issue." (Mylestheslasher)

Post #973: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963383#msg963383
"MGHU i reckon a name change is in order. I don't think I've ever seen someone so wrapped up in circles on this board!!" (Trueblue1234)

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Go on Cásthasaigh how are you going to tell this socially liberal, economically conservative, nationalist, republican, pro-Irish-unification, atheist, pro-European Union, how I am a fascist.

You're diverting again, the debate isn't about you. I challenged your opinion of the 26C army, of whom you are proud, and outlined historical reasons why no Irish person should be proud of them. You have chosen to ignore the evidence, much of which outlines historical and contemporary Fascistic behaviour and links so it's reasonable to conclude that you approve of that which you cannot deny and as such you too exhibit Fascist tendencies.

Perhaps you wish to dispute the history of the state or the cosy governmental links with IRMS who supply right wing mercenaries for all sorts of atrocious activities in the third world. Most lilkely though you will respond with further playground diversions.

Come on lad, prove me a fascist.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

and Nally Stand's first contribution to debate was

...says the blueshirt

hypocritical much 

Which came in response to your post which was nothing but partitionist abuse. Cáthasaigh has raised a number of arguments about the 26 county army which you obviously disagree with. He has invited you or whoever else, to debate these issues, yet you have just replied to him with your usual childish sarcasm to avoid tough debate.

Wise up, do you ever listen to yourself, you throw around Free State, West Brit, Blueshirt ad nauesem. The new lad is very liberal with his interpretation of a fascist, his vitriol towards the Irish State and its defenders of the peace and security is absurd. It seems he forgot Mr.Connolly was a soldier in the British Monarchs army. Rookie mistake I suppose. waiting to see if he changes to a simple Starry Plough. Of course will he go green like in the time of Connolly, or the reformed blue version which strangely in his avatar is with a man who was dead by the time of the colour change. Wonder will he answer me about armed revolution against the Irish state, but sure unlike you Nally, I won't demand an answer (being a democrat myself) unless he wants to.

Right so once again, rather than discuss his main arguments you discuss his avatar. Useful counter argument alright.  Not surprised a FGer like you would be talking about removing the picture of James Connolly I must say. Going by your comments in the thread I linked to earlier, I assume you regard Connolly as a criminal who you "have lukewarm feelings about" because you are "a democrat" and he took up arms rather than tried to "force the Brits to let us go by the ballot box" (Unlike Collins of course. Ooops    )

Your funny Nally, you really are. You talk about avoidance and misrepresenting arguments. It is clear from what I said that I was pointing out his avatar was James Connolly, ex-British Army serviceman. This same poster then goes on the rant about ex-British Army servicemen, did you miss that, did you? Go on stop deflecting 

Yes Mayo but discussing his avatar does not qualify as debating his various points. It is just deflecting from them. You have yet to come up with a reasoned retort to the specific points raised posts in any way, shape or form.

Well you see Nally, our new poster has yet to back up his points with even a scrap of evidence. What makes you think me or anyone else who reads this or has responded needs to disprove him, as he hasn't even tried to prove it himself. You seem to hold a higher standard for those you disagree with than those you agree or sympathise with. Choose your allies carefully, I think your new friend may have very different view on the Republican movement to yourself.

I don't recall referring to him as an ally. I am trying to encourage you to discuss his points rather than hide behind childish, sarcastic replies. For the sake of interesting reading if nothing else. If his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, then show some maturity and discuss why in terms of his different arguments.

Or don't  . This thread is boring the hole of me at this stage, and it could have made interesting debate. It might yet, we'll see.

Heres a though Nally Stand, let Cáthasaigh the accuser bear the burden of proof against the Irish State and its security services. Ask him to present his evidence. Then maybe myself or others that seem unimpressed by his evidence so far, which has included Muppet, Rossfan, Evil Genius, deiseach and hardy might discuss his points.

Is this argument getting boring because you can feel it slipping away from you?

I wasn't trying to get in any argument with you, I was trying to encourage you to discuss the topic reasonably with Cáthasaigh, but you did give me a good laugh there saying the argument was "slipping away from you"



You'd know all about that, as the following posters suggested  .....



Post #927: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963132#msg963132
"mayogodhelpus, you are going nowwhere with this one" (armaniac)

Post #949: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963189#msg963189
"Pretty weak MGHU. Pretty weak." (AZOffaly)

Post #953: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963196#msg963196
"Can I politely suggest that you go out for a rake of pints and leave the iPhone/iPad/laptop till monday." (Muppet)

Post #960: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963217#msg963217
Great post one from Pints that I quoted earlier

Post #961: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963219#msg963219
AZOffaly

Post #972: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963371#msg963371
"I'd leave it nally. He has talked himself into a corner and will now ignore direct questions and hope everyone forgets his stupidity on this issue." (Mylestheslasher)

Post #973: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963383#msg963383
"MGHU i reckon a name change is in order. I don't think I've ever seen someone so wrapped up in circles on this board!!" (Trueblue1234)

Nally, you do realise how sad you are making yourself look right now. You have clearly lost the argument and are reverting to the tactics of a rogue. Sure everyone on here knows my views, you are hardly enlightening them to something new. Its funny because it looks like you think that thread was some kind of achievement for you, like the closest in life you have felt like accomplishing something. A gold star on your copybook, a poor little NS. The difference between you and I, is that I know many people find my views unpalatable and find me a pain in the arse, you in contrast are blissfully unaware of the same. That is what makes people like me annoying and people like you dangerous.

[Nally Stand]

Jaysus Mayo/Muppet, if you are both sure of your opinions, then would one of ye please actually try to answer any of Cáthasaigh's points instead of throwing out abuse/labels/sarcastic responses. Bit of debate would b interesting.

and Nally Stand's first contribution to debate was

...says the blueshirt

hypocritical much 

Which came in response to your post which was nothing but partitionist abuse. Cáthasaigh has raised a number of arguments about the 26 county army which you obviously disagree with. He has invited you or whoever else, to debate these issues, yet you have just replied to him with your usual childish sarcasm to avoid tough debate.

Wise up, do you ever listen to yourself, you throw around Free State, West Brit, Blueshirt ad nauesem. The new lad is very liberal with his interpretation of a fascist, his vitriol towards the Irish State and its defenders of the peace and security is absurd. It seems he forgot Mr.Connolly was a soldier in the British Monarchs army. Rookie mistake I suppose. waiting to see if he changes to a simple Starry Plough. Of course will he go green like in the time of Connolly, or the reformed blue version which strangely in his avatar is with a man who was dead by the time of the colour change. Wonder will he answer me about armed revolution against the Irish state, but sure unlike you Nally, I won't demand an answer (being a democrat myself) unless he wants to.

Right so once again, rather than discuss his main arguments you discuss his avatar. Useful counter argument alright.  Not surprised a FGer like you would be talking about removing the picture of James Connolly I must say. Going by your comments in the thread I linked to earlier, I assume you regard Connolly as a criminal who you "have lukewarm feelings about" because you are "a democrat" and he took up arms rather than tried to "force the Brits to let us go by the ballot box" (Unlike Collins of course. Ooops    )

Your funny Nally, you really are. You talk about avoidance and misrepresenting arguments. It is clear from what I said that I was pointing out his avatar was James Connolly, ex-British Army serviceman. This same poster then goes on the rant about ex-British Army servicemen, did you miss that, did you? Go on stop deflecting 

Yes Mayo but discussing his avatar does not qualify as debating his various points. It is just deflecting from them. You have yet to come up with a reasoned retort to the specific points raised posts in any way, shape or form.

Well you see Nally, our new poster has yet to back up his points with even a scrap of evidence. What makes you think me or anyone else who reads this or has responded needs to disprove him, as he hasn't even tried to prove it himself. You seem to hold a higher standard for those you disagree with than those you agree or sympathise with. Choose your allies carefully, I think your new friend may have very different view on the Republican movement to yourself.

I don't recall referring to him as an ally. I am trying to encourage you to discuss his points rather than hide behind childish, sarcastic replies. For the sake of interesting reading if nothing else. If his arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, then show some maturity and discuss why in terms of his different arguments.

Or don't  . This thread is boring the hole of me at this stage, and it could have made interesting debate. It might yet, we'll see.

Heres a though Nally Stand, let Cáthasaigh the accuser bear the burden of proof against the Irish State and its security services. Ask him to present his evidence. Then maybe myself or others that seem unimpressed by his evidence so far, which has included Muppet, Rossfan, Evil Genius, deiseach and hardy might discuss his points.

Is this argument getting boring because you can feel it slipping away from you?

I wasn't trying to get in any argument with you, I was trying to encourage you to discuss the topic reasonably with Cáthasaigh, but you did give me a good laugh there saying the argument was "slipping away from you"



You'd know all about that, as the following posters suggested  .....



Post #927: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963132#msg963132
"mayogodhelpus, you are going nowwhere with this one" (armaniac)

Post #949: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963189#msg963189
"Pretty weak MGHU. Pretty weak." (AZOffaly)

Post #953: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963196#msg963196
"Can I politely suggest that you go out for a rake of pints and leave the iPhone/iPad/laptop till monday." (Muppet)

Post #960: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963217#msg963217
Great post one from Pints that I quoted earlier

Post #961: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963219#msg963219
AZOffaly

Post #972: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963371#msg963371
"I'd leave it nally. He has talked himself into a corner and will now ignore direct questions and hope everyone forgets his stupidity on this issue." (Mylestheslasher)

Post #973: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16587.msg963383#msg963383
"MGHU i reckon a name change is in order. I don't think I've ever seen someone so wrapped up in circles on this board!!" (Trueblue1234)

Nally, you do realise how sad you are making yourself look right now. You have clearly lost the argument and are reverting to the tactics of a rogue. Sure everyone on here knows my views, you are hardly enlightening them to something new. Its funny because it looks like you think that thread was some kind of achievement for you, like the closest in life you have felt like accomplishing something. A gold star on your copybook, a poor little NS. The difference between you and I, is that I know many people find my views unpalatable and find me a pain in the arse, you in contrast are blissfully unaware of the same. That is what makes people like me annoying and people like you dangerous.

[Evil Genius]

Go on Cásthasaigh how are you going to tell this socially liberal, economically conservative, nationalist, republican, pro-Irish-unification, atheist, pro-European Union, how I am a fascist.

You're diverting again, the debate isn't about you. I challenged your opinion of the 26C army, of whom you are proud, and outlined historical reasons why no Irish person should be proud of them. You have chosen to ignore the evidence, much of which outlines historical and contemporary Fascistic behaviour and links so it's reasonable to conclude that you approve of that which you cannot deny and as such you too exhibit Fascist tendencies.

Perhaps you wish to dispute the history of the state or the cosy governmental links with IRMS who supply right wing mercenaries for all sorts of atrocious activities in the third world. Most lilkely though you will respond with further playground diversions.

Come on lad, prove me a fascist.

Easy.

MGHU = Fine Gael Voter = Eoin O'Duffy = Fascist.

No, wait, four steps is too many.

How about, "Cathasaigh says you're a Fascist, so you must be"?

P.S. Where do I claim my Prize? 

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Nally Stand you felt like you had been validated somehow. All those people joining in as Nally rode his steed, a modern day Don Quixote.

[AZOffaly]

He thinks, therefore you are.

Sorry Msr Descartes.