who turned down the visit to meet the queen at croke park?

[Applesisapples]

Taken from Hogan Stand website:

"Representative of every county board in Ireland were present when the Queen was welcomed to GAA Headquarters today, but it has been revealed that representatives of the Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Fermanagh and Tyrone county boards snubbed the invitation to be present at Jones Road..... It was known that there was a degree of unhappiness at the decision by the GAA to invite Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park, but there was no public comment by GAA officials on the subject after Christy Cooney instructed all county boards to remain silent on the issue."

I am proud that the Tyrone County Board stayed clear of it. Does this visit also not highlight the divisiveness and the ill-thought out idea of the visit, when the counties most affected by HM's government and forces clearly feel that this it is premature?

The instruction from Cooney that no debate shall be allowed is a total insult to the grassroots. Or "patrons" as he would say.

Look at all those nice grounds in the Sick Counties paid for by HMG.

[Dougal]

I thought he said down were the only
Northern county to accept their invitation?
Peter Quinn conspicuous by his absence, I'm happy to say.

Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan were there so that makes 4

no,that still makes 1.those three are in the south.however there were 4 counties from Ulster there.

[Rossfan]

Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan were there so that makes 4
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no,that still makes 1.those three are in the south.however there were 4 counties from Ulster there.
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Donegal was always up in the North West on any maps I ever saw 

[Nally Stand]

What a load of complete bo**ocks. Its an argument thats always trotted out but its a stupid and irrelevant one.

Should all fianna fail supporters now be refusing to take hand-outs dealt them by a fine gael government for e.g.?

is it but? to dip in and out when it suits, when its handier?

Yes it is a horseshit argument because it is based on the assumption that anyone who opposes this visit is some sort of anti-British racist. And people in the six counties unfortunately have their taxes being paid to HMs government so why shouldnt they be allowed apply for benefits or grants where entitled?

[Nally Stand]

Taken from Hogan Stand website:

"Representative of every county board in Ireland were present when the Queen was welcomed to GAA Headquarters today, but it has been revealed that representatives of the Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Fermanagh and Tyrone county boards snubbed the invitation to be present at Jones Road..... It was known that there was a degree of unhappiness at the decision by the GAA to invite Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park, but there was no public comment by GAA officials on the subject after Christy Cooney instructed all county boards to remain silent on the issue."

I am proud that the Tyrone County Board stayed clear of it. Does this visit also not highlight the divisiveness and the ill-thought out idea of the visit, when the counties most affected by HM's government and forces clearly feel that this it is premature?

The instruction from Cooney that no debate shall be allowed is a total insult to the grassroots. Or "patrons" as he would say.

Look at all those nice grounds in the Sick Counties paid for by HMG.

Look at all those taxes paid by the people who play in these nice grounds. Are they not entitled to apply for funding? Or are opponants of this visit not allowed to stand by their principles despite this?

[Applesisapples]

I thought he said down were the only
Northern county to accept their invitation?
Peter Quinn conspicuous by his absence, I'm happy to say.

Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan were there so that makes 4

no,that still makes 1.those three are in the south.however there were 4 counties from Ulster there.

Last I looked Donegal was the most Northerly county in Ireland.

[LeoMc]

Now moving on or not is not the point hardy. There was no debate and therefore no voices heard at that time.  And those who decided to be quiet or stayed away represent 1/4 of the democratic organisation me and you love dearly  Their passive approach to the event should not be highlighted as a negative on their part,  I believe

+1

[LeoMc]

Only surmising hardy I just know that such a political event as this was received no airtime or debate.  We debated the life out of foreign sports etc. But not a birdy on this. If a conservative organisation like the gaa,allows itself to be politicised for events like this. There must be a serious sweetener on offer.   

Or it could be that it just wasn't as controversial among GAA members as the "foreign" sports debate, etc.

Could it be that we have, in fact, moved on, if you'll pardon the expression?

I think those who lived through the worst of it would struggle to move on. I dont personally have a problem with the Queen entering Croke Park- however I can see why others would.

Aye it must be very easy to move on when the last time a british soldier harassed or murdered anyone in your locality was almost a century ago

What is the appropriate time to wait before moving on?

[LeoMc]

Taken from Hogan Stand website:

"Representative of every county board in Ireland were present when the Queen was welcomed to GAA Headquarters today, but it has been revealed that representatives of the Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Fermanagh and Tyrone county boards snubbed the invitation to be present at Jones Road..... It was known that there was a degree of unhappiness at the decision by the GAA to invite Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park, but there was no public comment by GAA officials on the subject after Christy Cooney instructed all county boards to remain silent on the issue."

I am proud that the Tyrone County Board stayed clear of it. Does this visit also not highlight the divisiveness and the ill-thought out idea of the visit, when the counties most affected by HM's government and forces clearly feel that this it is premature?

The instruction from Cooney that no debate shall be allowed is a total insult to the grassroots. Or "patrons" as he would say.

Look at all those nice grounds in the Sick Counties paid for by HMG.

Look at all those taxes paid by the people who play in these nice grounds. Are they not entitled to apply for funding? Or are opponants of this visit not allowed to stand by their principles despite this?

+1 on this. We pay the taxes we get the funding.
I have nothing against the visit but if anyone is not in favour it is their perogative and should be allowed to state their opinion.

[HiMucker]

Yawn leo yourself. Mature debate only

Why dismiss Leo's point? Its getting fierce tiresome..how many anti-Lizzy folk on here claim the British dole, British housing benefit, support British soccer teams, take weekend breaks in Britain, buy British products, shop in British supermarkets, go / went to a British university, ie support the British and their economy?

Fair point, were do ye draw the line.  However, though I dont have a problem with the visit as I hope and think it will do more good than bad people shouldnt be lambasted for voicing there objection to it.  I thinks unfair that the people who object are grouped with the scum bags who were protesting/burning bins in dublin.

[Nally Stand]

Only surmising hardy I just know that such a political event as this was received no airtime or debate.  We debated the life out of foreign sports etc. But not a birdy on this. If a conservative organisation like the gaa,allows itself to be politicised for events like this. There must be a serious sweetener on offer.   

Or it could be that it just wasn't as controversial among GAA members as the "foreign" sports debate, etc.

Could it be that we have, in fact, moved on, if you'll pardon the expression?

I think those who lived through the worst of it would struggle to move on. I dont personally have a problem with the Queen entering Croke Park- however I can see why others would.

Aye it must be very easy to move on when the last time a british soldier harassed or murdered anyone in your locality was almost a century ago

What is the appropriate time to wait before moving on?

As I have repeatedly said, people can oppose this visit and be perfectly capable of "moving on". My reference to "moving on" in reply to Hardy is tongue in cheek.
The idea (which MANY people seem to have) that if you oppose the visit, then you must be a dinosaur who can't move on is condescending. When such visit becomes less divisive, then the time might be more apropriate. If you think it isn't divisive, think about the topic of this thread. A lot of people are still very raw in the six counties about the ills visited upon them by British forces and by a British Government which continues to withhold the truth on hundreds of cases of collusion/state murder. If the British establishment could come clean, then maybe this farcical nonsense contained in her speech last night, and the media's spouting of "moving on" and "maturing as a nation" might be taken more seriously in the north east. "The Queen" produced a speech last night which was carefully sculpted to avoid having to make any type of an apology despite the fact that her security forces and government have been found guilty of certain instances of, and are suspected of much deeper involvement in, state sponsored murder of 'her subjects' in Ireland. It seems to be the elephant in the room for Republicans which official Ireland is determined to ignore.

[Agent Orange]

As I have repeatedly said, people can oppose this visit and be perfectly capable of "moving on". My reference to "moving on" in reply to Hardy is tongue in cheek.
The idea (which MANY people seem to have) that if you oppose the visit, then you must be a dinosaur who can't move on is condescending. When such visit becomes less divisive, then the time might be more apropriate. If you think it isn't divisive, think about the topic of this thread. A lot of people are still very raw in the six counties about the ills visited upon them by British forces and by a British Government which continues to withhold the truth on hundreds of cases of collusion/state murder. If the British establishment could come clean, then maybe this farcical nonsense contained in her speech last night, and the media's spouting of "moving on" and "maturing as a nation" might be taken more seriously in the north east. "The Queen" produced a speech last night which was carefully sculpted to avoid having to make any type of an apology despite the fact that her security forces and government have been found guilty of certain instances of, and are suspected of much deeper involvement in, state sponsored murder of 'her subjects' in Ireland. It seems to be the elephant in the room for Republicans which official Ireland is determined to ignore.

Nally Stand can I ask what your position is in relation to the recent republican murder in county Tyrone?

[AZOffaly]

As I have repeatedly said, people can oppose this visit and be perfectly capable of "moving on". My reference to "moving on" in reply to Hardy is tongue in cheek.
The idea (which MANY people seem to have) that if you oppose the visit, then you must be a dinosaur who can't move on is condescending. When such visit becomes less divisive, then the time might be more apropriate. If you think it isn't divisive, think about the topic of this thread. A lot of people are still very raw in the six counties about the ills visited upon them by British forces and by a British Government which continues to withhold the truth on hundreds of cases of collusion/state murder. If the British establishment could come clean, then maybe this farcical nonsense contained in her speech last night, and the media's spouting of "moving on" and "maturing as a nation" might be taken more seriously in the north east. "The Queen" produced a speech last night which was carefully sculpted to avoid having to make any type of an apology despite the fact that her security forces and government have been found guilty of certain instances of, and are suspected of much deeper involvement in, state sponsored murder of 'her subjects' in Ireland. It seems to be the elephant in the room for Republicans which official Ireland is determined to ignore.

Nally Stand can I ask what your position is in relation to the recent republican murder in county Tyrone?

That's a pretty leading question Agent Orange. In fairness to Nally Stand he has said on numerous threads that he supports the GFA. I seriously doubt anyone involved in, or supportive of, that act would be a supporter of the GFA.

[Agent Orange]

As I have repeatedly said, people can oppose this visit and be perfectly capable of "moving on". My reference to "moving on" in reply to Hardy is tongue in cheek.
The idea (which MANY people seem to have) that if you oppose the visit, then you must be a dinosaur who can't move on is condescending. When such visit becomes less divisive, then the time might be more apropriate. If you think it isn't divisive, think about the topic of this thread. A lot of people are still very raw in the six counties about the ills visited upon them by British forces and by a British Government which continues to withhold the truth on hundreds of cases of collusion/state murder. If the British establishment could come clean, then maybe this farcical nonsense contained in her speech last night, and the media's spouting of "moving on" and "maturing as a nation" might be taken more seriously in the north east. "The Queen" produced a speech last night which was carefully sculpted to avoid having to make any type of an apology despite the fact that her security forces and government have been found guilty of certain instances of, and are suspected of much deeper involvement in, state sponsored murder of 'her subjects' in Ireland. It seems to be the elephant in the room for Republicans which official Ireland is determined to ignore.

Nally Stand can I ask what your position is in relation to the recent republican murder in county Tyrone?

That's a pretty leading question Agent Orange. In fairness to Nally Stand he has said on numerous threads that he supports the GFA. I seriously doubt anyone involved in, or supportive of, that act would be a supporter of the GFA.

I am not going to read through all his posts, but it would be interesting to know how these guys seem to be able to sit comfortably with a foot in both camps. They seem to be loyal to the crown when it suits them, but yet they seem to be vehemently opposed to her visiting Ireland.

[LeoMc]

Only surmising hardy I just know that such a political event as this was received no airtime or debate.  We debated the life out of foreign sports etc. But not a birdy on this. If a conservative organisation like the gaa,allows itself to be politicised for events like this. There must be a serious sweetener on offer.   

Or it could be that it just wasn't as controversial among GAA members as the "foreign" sports debate, etc.

Could it be that we have, in fact, moved on, if you'll pardon the expression?

I think those who lived through the worst of it would struggle to move on. I dont personally have a problem with the Queen entering Croke Park- however I can see why others would.

Aye it must be very easy to move on when the last time a british soldier harassed or murdered anyone in your locality was almost a century ago

What is the appropriate time to wait before moving on?

As I have repeatedly said, people can oppose this visit and be perfectly capable of "moving on". My reference to "moving on" in reply to Hardy is tongue in cheek.
The idea (which MANY people seem to have) that if you oppose the visit, then you must be a dinosaur who can't move on is condescending. When such visit becomes less divisive, then the time might be more apropriate. If you think it isn't divisive, think about the topic of this thread. A lot of people are still very raw in the six counties about the ills visited upon them by British forces and by a British Government which continues to withhold the truth on hundreds of cases of collusion/state murder. If the British establishment could come clean, then maybe this farcical nonsense contained in her speech last night, and the media's spouting of "moving on" and "maturing as a nation" might be taken more seriously in the north east. "The Queen" produced a speech last night which was carefully sculpted to avoid having to make any type of an apology despite the fact that her security forces and government have been found guilty of certain instances of, and are suspected of much deeper involvement in, state sponsored murder of 'her subjects' in Ireland. It seems to be the elephant in the room for Republicans which official Ireland is determined to ignore.

You are correct, people are entitled to object without being labelled. But how long do we wait until the time is right? Do we wait 10 years, 20 years, 100...
There were a lot of families bereaved on both sides and a lot more suffered injustices and injuries. Some people may find it difficult to see GSTQ played in Croke Park but others have the same issues with seeing former members of the IRA in government. Should we have waited 10 years, 20 years, 100 from the ceasefires for that?

I would not presume to  tell you to not voice your opinion or be delighted about the events but IMO* we all need to swallow the bile and get on with things lest we become green Jim Allisters.
BTW I have no objection to the events in Dublin. I would no more hold the Queen accountable than I would blame the Meath mascot for 1996 (cue Hardy!).

*I am not trying to start a debate NS, just giving my opinion.