Election 2011 Offical Thread.

[AZOffaly]

I'm not sure where lawnseed got his post from, but are you, mayogodhelpus, saying you support a united European Army, with mandatory Irish participation?

hello? got his post from? the fine gael manifesto published today and delivered by micheal noonan

ps i'm quite capable of posting without lifting the stuff out of a paper and i'm on record as saying this was going to happen for quite some time.

doubt if many mayo men will see any action enda will see to it

You got this from the FG manifesto?

'and the word was made flesh and shared amongst us' finally what sinn fein said was on the cards has been floated in the public domain. good news for all you war mongers. the Irish nation under a fine gael government will give Irish troops to the European rapid response force courtesy of the Lisbon treaty. no sign of the jobs and investment promised if we gave the green light but sure we knew that anyway. all it took was a wee bit of shit from micheal o'leary and sabre rattling from intel and we caved. now young irish men and women will pay for our stupidity and greed literally with their lives. wheres neutrality now? but sure that was just dev covering his ass. today i am ashamed to be irish. we are being pushed around by banks, europe, but worst of all we are being betrayed by our own politicians, sold down the river by traitors. bad enough that we should say goodbye to our youth to emmigration but to send them out to die for the ideals of a europe lead by germany and france 2 countries who are steeped in the blood of innocent people thats the last straw.

when is someone going stand up for this country and fight for irish people? when is anyone going to say something.. anything and actually mean it? this has been planed for the last 5 or 6 years, enda was'nt in germany talking about banks he was assuring the germans that he could deliver the irish people on a plate asses up ready to be screwed.

They've fairly spiced up their political documents so.  I think you're right about Mayo men, but sure that's just as well, they'd miss anyway.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

The table might be more interesting if the % were translated into seats. How many % is a seat worth?

Someone on politics.ie came up with this prediction based on spreadsheets (not sure how close or accurate)

FG: 75
Lab: 47
FF: 21
SF: 16
Oth: 7

[lawnseed]

now we know what the wee military parade down o'connell street was about and bertie standing over them like some cold war russian president. i'm sure its a great relief to the manx people who probably thought we were going to invade

[AZOffaly]

The table might be more interesting if the % were translated into seats. How many % is a seat worth?

Someone on politics.ie came up with this prediction based on spreadsheets (not sure how close or accurate)

FG: 75
Lab: 47
FF: 21
SF: 16
Oth: 7

Will Labour really push 50 seats? That'd be some showing.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Same poster on politics.ie explains the poll as the following in votes

FF have lost 610,000 votes
FG have gained 222,000
Lab have gained 267,000
PDs 57,000 are gone
Greens have lost 80,000
SF have gained 64,000
Others have gained 194,000

To be honest not sure I understand this.

[LaurelEye]

I'm not sure where lawnseed got his post from, but are you, mayogodhelpus, saying you support a united European Army, with mandatory Irish participation?

I would like to see Ireland with the constitutional option to participate. Balkens type mission not an Iraq type mission.

From the Irish Times, February 4, 2003:

Madam, - There has been much debate about US motives for war against Iraq. Is it about oil, weapons of mass destruction, control of the region, humanitarian or value-driven interests, toppling Saddam - or merely unfinished business?

In reality, it is all of these that have given rise to the impetus for war. Only in 20 years' time, will we know which was the greatest factor.

If, at that time, Iraq is a democratic state whose liberated people have grown as rich as Europeans or Americans from their massive oil reserves and whose wealth, sophistication, democratic values and large conventional army have allowed it to become a democratic Arab superpower, then we can rest assured that the West's motives were honourable.

However, if Iraq in 20 years' time is a state united in name, but in reality dismembered into three regional-ethnic fiefdoms falling under the sphere of influence of neighbouring powers, with US bases outside Baghdad and in the northern and southern oil fields and with an impoverished people whose oil wealth flows to the West, we will be in no doubt as to what America's motives were.

Perhaps, if war is inevitable, the only moral option Europe leaders can exercise is to join a multilateral coalition to topple Saddam (a good day's work if ever there was one) and ensure that the Iraq that follows becomes a testament to the just cause of the campaign. - Yours, etc.,

LEO VARADKAR,

Roselawn Road,

Dublin 15.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2003/0204/1043927474307.html

It would certainly help solve the unemployment problem and boost the services sector (well, the undertaking and florist parts of the service sector, anyway).

[lawnseed]

good call mayo god... you'd want our young people standing along side the dutch cowards who stood back and allowed the serbs to massacre thousands in bosnia. think before you reply this time

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

good call mayo god... you'd want our young people standing along side the dutch cowards who stood back and allowed the serbs to massacre thousands in bosnia. think before you reply this time

Hey the Dutch @ Srebrenica had their hands tied (and I'm not talking about to trees) by their U.N. mandate, Irish and other European troops would have greater powers in terms of rules of engagement. If the Dutch soldiers hadn't been there, those people would still have been massacared. Maybe if the Dutch where under European Rapid Reaction control back then, they may of had the powers and resources to fight back.

[LaurelEye]

Let's suppose that in 2013 the newly-elected President Huckabee decides to invade Iran.

A leading Fine Gael cabinet minister decides that "the only moral option Europe(sic) leaders can exercise is to join a multilateral coalition to topple Ahmadinejad (a good day's work if ever there was one) and ensure that the Iran that follows becomes a testament to the just cause of the campaign".

Will you support Irish troops being sent to the Gulf?

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

The table might be more interesting if the % were translated into seats. How many % is a seat worth?

Someone on politics.ie came up with this prediction based on spreadsheets (not sure how close or accurate)

FG: 75
Lab: 47
FF: 21
SF: 16
Oth: 7

Will Labour really push 50 seats? That'd be some showing.

AZ another method was used on the spreadsheets on politics.ie and they got the following

80 Fine Gael
42 Labour
16 Fianna Fail
11 Sinn Fein
17 Others

[Rouge_Diablo]

Anyone hear Ger (I think his name is) Colleran from the Star with Tubridy this morning. Jesus Christ, he really has a bugbear about Adams.

Yep, it was poor, especially the recovery piece when he realised he may have went too far. I await the comments of the other papers Tubbs promised with interest.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Let's suppose that in 2013 the newly-elected President Huckabee decides to invade Iran.

A leading Fine Gael cabinet minister decides that "the only moral option Europe(sic) leaders can exercise is to join a multilateral coalition to topple Ahmadinejad (a good day's work if ever there was one) and ensure that the Iran that follows becomes a testament to the just cause of the campaign".

Will you support Irish troops being sent to the Gulf?

Not being smart here, but it depends on the circumstances, evidence and stability (ex. is their mass executions etc) at the time. I was very much against the invasion of Iraq.

[Rouge_Diablo]

I don't want papers to be with us.

Apologies if I have missed it, but I take it from  that statement you are a party member/ activist?

[LaurelEye]

I was very much against the invasion of Iraq.

Yeah, but Leo was quite keen on it at the time.

And not being smart, but he's going to be making the decisions and you're not.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

I don't want papers to be with us.

Apologies if I have missed it, but I take it from  that statement you are a party member/ activist?

Very much a supporter.