Claudy report to be published by Ombudsman

[orangeman]

What exactly would you have to do to get banished from the Catholic Church?

Tell the truth.

[delboy]

What exactly would you have to do to get banished from the Catholic Church?

Obtain an abortion for your nine year old rape victim daughter, or be one of the doctors who carried it out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7930380.stm

[Banana Man]

Sweet fu*k did you read those details, he was abusing her since she was 6, i didn't even think it was possible for a 9 year old to get pregnant and he was abusing the handicapped older sister, words fail me, castration would be too good for the b*stard

[red hander]

Bit of a joke for the RUC to think they had to keep the Catholic Church sweet and on the side of "moderate nationalism" by allowing Conway to get Chesney offside ... what were the chances of the Catholic Church supporting "militant nationalism", considering its record of spinelessness during the struggle for independence?  People shouldn't be surprised by the church's actions ... these are the same boyos who helped Nazi war criminals escape after the war and blessed the murderous deeds of any number of South American dictators over the years

[Myles Na G.]

Bit of a joke for the RUC to think they had to keep the Catholic Church sweet and on the side of "moderate nationalism" by allowing Conway to get Chesney offside ... what were the chances of the Catholic Church supporting "militant nationalism", considering its record of spinelessness during the struggle for independence?  People shouldn't be surprised by the church's actions ... these are the same boyos who helped Nazi war criminals escape after the war and blessed the murderous deeds of any number of South American dictators over the years

Think you'll find it was Sean Russell and the IRA who were helping the Nazis. 

[Nally Stand]

I wonder do Nally Stand and paper seller extraordinaire glens abu think those bombs were "justified"? No doubt we will get the usual weasel words.

Up on your moral high horse? What's the view like up there looking down on the big evil republicans?

I don't ever recall claiming that every IRA action was totally justified and this one certainly was not. To me therefor, your post is a typically cynical cheap shot at people of a republican persuasion on this board and hence are the true "weasel words".

I would imagine that no matter what reply I gave to your post, it would be simply not good enough. I would be accused of being "cold hearted" if I defended the bombing, or accused of "SF press release repeating" if I criticised it.

[red hander]

Bit of a joke for the RUC to think they had to keep the Catholic Church sweet and on the side of "moderate nationalism" by allowing Conway to get Chesney offside ... what were the chances of the Catholic Church supporting "militant nationalism", considering its record of spinelessness during the struggle for independence?  People shouldn't be surprised by the church's actions ... these are the same boyos who helped Nazi war criminals escape after the war and blessed the murderous deeds of any number of South American dictators over the years

Think you'll find it was Sean Russell and the IRA who were helping the Nazis. 

So, let me get this right Mr Myers, are you telling me the Catholic Church didn't help Nazi war criminals escape after the war, it was Sean Russell and the IRA?  While we're on the subject of your favourite subject, i.e moving away from the subject to suit your own agenda, what's your stance on the Duke of Hamilton and Edward VIII?

[ardmhachaabu]

Can anyone remind me who planted the bombs?

[mylestheslasher]

Can anyone remind me who planted the bombs?

I believe members of the provisional ira organised and planted the bomb. The issue is why did the catholic church cover up the actions of one of the ira members, a priest, with the help of the ruc and British authorities. Interesting when u consider there were priests elsewhere writing books on British collusion with loyalist death squads.

[ardmhachaabu]

Can anyone remind me who planted the bombs?

I believe members of the provisional ira organised and planted the bomb. The issue is why did the catholic church cover up the actions of one of the ira members, a priest, with the help of the ruc and British authorities. Interesting when u consider there were priests elsewhere writing books on British collusion with loyalist death squads.

Oh I get the bit about collusion ok.  My point is that the bombings seem to be glossed over for this sexy story and what the victims' families want is being missed over a priest who can't tell the world his version of events.  Meanwhile, the families are still looking justice.  If the full story behind Claudy never becomes public they will never get what they want regardless of what a priest is alleged to have done

[orangeman]

Cover ups were the order of the day back then - whatever the circumstances, a good old cover up was drawn up to protect the church and the individuals in it - scary stuff.



In response to this correspondence the NIO wrote to Police Officer 3 on 6
December 1972;
'Many thanks for your note on Father Chesney. You will be relieved to hear
that Secretary of State saw the Cardinal privately on 5 December and gave
him a full account of his disgust at Chesney's behaviour. The Cardinal said
that he knew that the priest was a very bad man and would see what could
be done. The Cardinal mentioned the possibility of transferring him to
Donegal.'

[Nally Stand]

Can anyone remind me who planted the bombs?

I believe members of the provisional ira organised and planted the bomb. The issue is why did the catholic church cover up the actions of one of the ira members, a priest, with the help of the ruc and British authorities. Interesting when u consider there were priests elsewhere writing books on British collusion with loyalist death squads.

In the interests of avoiding history from being distorted and misrepresented, it would be worth noting that priests are not suspected of involvement several hundred murders, where as the british "security" forces are. Hardly a suitable parallel.

[Myles Na G.]

Bit of a joke for the RUC to think they had to keep the Catholic Church sweet and on the side of "moderate nationalism" by allowing Conway to get Chesney offside ... what were the chances of the Catholic Church supporting "militant nationalism", considering its record of spinelessness during the struggle for independence?  People shouldn't be surprised by the church's actions ... these are the same boyos who helped Nazi war criminals escape after the war and blessed the murderous deeds of any number of South American dictators over the years

Think you'll find it was Sean Russell and the IRA who were helping the Nazis. 

So, let me get this right Mr Myers, are you telling me the Catholic Church didn't help Nazi war criminals escape after the war, it was Sean Russell and the IRA?  While we're on the subject of your favourite subject, i.e moving away from the subject to suit your own agenda, what's your stance on the Duke of Hamilton and Edward VIII?

1. The Catholic Church did indeed assist Nazi war criminals after the war.
2. Members of the British Royal family and establishment were indeed Nazi sympathisers.
Any more really tricky questions you'd like me to answer?
None of which, btw, excuses the fact that it was Sean Russell and his fellow Irish patriots (sic) in the IRA who actively collaborated with the Germans.

[updown9194]

Can someone explain to me if this priest has been found guilty or even likely to be the culpable for the Claudy bombs? Whether he was or wasn't, it's clear that the church did nothing to act upon this until pressed by the RUC, who were perhaps better placed arresting the man rather than hiding him.

[red hander]

Bit of a joke for the RUC to think they had to keep the Catholic Church sweet and on the side of "moderate nationalism" by allowing Conway to get Chesney offside ... what were the chances of the Catholic Church supporting "militant nationalism", considering its record of spinelessness during the struggle for independence?  People shouldn't be surprised by the church's actions ... these are the same boyos who helped Nazi war criminals escape after the war and blessed the murderous deeds of any number of South American dictators over the years

Think you'll find it was Sean Russell and the IRA who were helping the Nazis. 

So, let me get this right Mr Myers, are you telling me the Catholic Church didn't help Nazi war criminals escape after the war, it was Sean Russell and the IRA?  While we're on the subject of your favourite subject, i.e moving away from the subject to suit your own agenda, what's your stance on the Duke of Hamilton and Edward VIII?

1. The Catholic Church did indeed assist Nazi war criminals after the war.
2. Members of the British Royal family and establishment were indeed Nazi sympathisers.
Any more really tricky questions you'd like me to answer?
None of which, btw, excuses the fact that it was Sean Russell and his fellow Irish patriots (sic) in the IRA who actively collaborated with the Germans.

You really will have to try and get over your obsession with Sean Russell ... and please include that wee winking smiley in all future replies, I really miss it when it's not there as I'd hate to think of you not giving yourself a wee smug celebratory pat on the back when you think you've made a razor sharp contribution