Paisley's attitude to Catholics-Some things never changed

[Galwaybhoy]

In fact...

Is that the second or third knuckle Bertie's pressing?   Hmmmm!

What are you trying to say 

[Maguire01]

I don't think that i'm disagreeing with anyone's views on Paisley here. I was firstly pointing out that Cherie Blair was telling porkies. And yes, Paisley's own 'principles' were, without doubt, quickly pushed to one side when the opportunity for First Minister came around.

At the same time, better him shaking hands with the likes of the Taoiseach, regardless of how sincere it is, than continuing to subject his anti-Catholic rhetoric on the next generation of Protestants...

[longrunsthefox]

Sure he has left it in safe hands with Willie McCrea's boy 

[SuperMac]

I heard that David Trimble refused to shake hands with Cathal Brugha's son Ruairi as he said that he would not shake hands with the son of a murderer  Trimble had no problem shaking hands with Billy Wright and other loyalists of course.

[mylestheslasher]

Paisley was also a total sexist as well as a bigot, maybe that is why he didn't shake her hand. I recall Mo Mowlam saying that he often ignored her and referred to her as "a little woman".

[ziggysego]

Paisley was also a total sexist as well as a bigot, maybe that is why he didn't shake her hand. I recall Mo Mowlam saying that he often ignored her and referred to her as "a little woman".

Even his own daughter took him to court, as he wouldn't give her a job.

Oh nepotism, that's another thing he does!

[MW]

Prejudiced old goat he may be, but this story from Cherie Blair was patently untrue.

Looks like she's as familiar with the truth as her husband.

I suspect she was trying to win the audience's favour - "look at me, I've been oppressed by a nasty old bigoted man, please tut tut along with me, aren't we glad we're enlightened".

[MW]

I read a book a while back called "Loyalists". Anyway to make a long story short a meeting was set up by the Loyalist leadership of how to respond to the IRA ceasefire. A letter was sent out to Paisley not to attend. But of course Paisley turned up and sat at the head of the table, he was asked to leave but refused. Some of the people in attendance had to actually physically lift Ian while still in his chair out of the room. The author asked his source why did they do this? The responce was that Loyalists in Belfast were delighted by the ceasefire and felt they had more in common with their Republican neighbors and felt enough suffering was enough. They felt it was mostly the working class suffered  and Paisley was a threat to peace.

You've got that story wrong.

The incident happened at a meeting of the strike co-ordinating committee in 1974 (during the Ulster Workers' Council strike).

[mylestheslasher]

I read a book a while back called "Loyalists". Anyway to make a long story short a meeting was set up by the Loyalist leadership of how to respond to the IRA ceasefire. A letter was sent out to Paisley not to attend. But of course Paisley turned up and sat at the head of the table, he was asked to leave but refused. Some of the people in attendance had to actually physically lift Ian while still in his chair out of the room. The author asked his source why did they do this? The responce was that Loyalists in Belfast were delighted by the ceasefire and felt they had more in common with their Republican neighbors and felt enough suffering was enough. They felt it was mostly the working class suffered  and Paisley was a threat to peace.

You've got that story wrong.

The incident happened at a meeting of the strike co-ordinating committee in 1974 (during the Ulster Workers' Council strike).

All those steroids and weight lifting in jail came in handy in the end

[Baile an tuaigh]

I read a book a while back called "Loyalists". Anyway to make a long story short a meeting was set up by the Loyalist leadership of how to respond to the IRA ceasefire. A letter was sent out to Paisley not to attend. But of course Paisley turned up and sat at the head of the table, he was asked to leave but refused. Some of the people in attendance had to actually physically lift Ian while still in his chair out of the room. The author asked his source why did they do this? The responce was that Loyalists in Belfast were delighted by the ceasefire and felt they had more in common with their Republican neighbors and felt enough suffering was enough. They felt it was mostly the working class suffered  and Paisley was a threat to peace.

You've got that story wrong.

The incident happened at a meeting of the strike co-ordinating committee in 1974 (during the Ulster Workers' Council strike).

I gave the book a way  to someone  else I know wanted to read it, other wise I would have taken quotes from the book which would have given a more aquarate picture of the actual events. How ever though it wasn't  the only time Paisley met with Loyalists. So how can you be so sure I got this story so wrong.

[MW]

I read a book a while back called "Loyalists". Anyway to make a long story short a meeting was set up by the Loyalist leadership of how to respond to the IRA ceasefire. A letter was sent out to Paisley not to attend. But of course Paisley turned up and sat at the head of the table, he was asked to leave but refused. Some of the people in attendance had to actually physically lift Ian while still in his chair out of the room. The author asked his source why did they do this? The responce was that Loyalists in Belfast were delighted by the ceasefire and felt they had more in common with their Republican neighbors and felt enough suffering was enough. They felt it was mostly the working class suffered  and Paisley was a threat to peace.

You've got that story wrong.

The incident happened at a meeting of the strike co-ordinating committee in 1974 (during the Ulster Workers' Council strike).

I gave the book a way  to someone  else I know wanted to read it, other wise I would have taken quotes from the book which would have given a more aquarate picture of the actual events. How ever though it wasn't  the only time Paisley met with Loyalists. So how can you be so sure I got this story so wrong.

Because it's a well-known story that relates to the 1974 strike meetings.

I've got "Loyalists"* so I'll look it up.




*the book that is

[Evil Genius]

I read a book a while back called "Loyalists". Anyway to make a long story short a meeting was set up by the Loyalist leadership of how to respond to the IRA ceasefire. A letter was sent out to Paisley not to attend. But of course Paisley turned up and sat at the head of the table, he was asked to leave but refused. Some of the people in attendance had to actually physically lift Ian while still in his chair out of the room. The author asked his source why did they do this? The responce was that Loyalists in Belfast were delighted by the ceasefire and felt they had more in common with their Republican neighbors and felt enough suffering was enough. They felt it was mostly the working class suffered  and Paisley was a threat to peace.

You've got that story wrong.

The incident happened at a meeting of the strike co-ordinating committee in 1974 (during the Ulster Workers' Council strike).

I gave the book a way  to someone  else I know wanted to read it, other wise I would have taken quotes from the book which would have given a more aquarate picture of the actual events. How ever though it wasn't  the only time Paisley met with Loyalists. So how can you be so sure I got this story so wrong.

MW is quite correct, the incident in question occurred at a meeting of the UWC i.e. at the time of the 1974 strike which brought down Sunningdale, not in the wake of the IRA ceasefire.

Ian S. Wood gives the following account in his book, "Crimes of Loyalty - A History of the UDA":

"On one occasion during the second week of the strike Paisley arrived late for a full meeting of the UWC. [Glenn] Barr, from the chair, had made it clear that no latecomers would be admitted. Sammy Duddy was authorised to guard the door and was armed. He has already described his altercation with Paisley when the latter arrived and demanded admission. This was refused and Paisley was admitted only after his written request was slipped under the door. His berating of Duddy made little impression on the meeting but there was further acrimony when he occupied Barr's chair during an adjournment of the meeting. On his refusal to vacate the chair, it was lifted with him in it and moved down the table from the chairman's place. Duddy has added that 'a gun up his nose helped to shift him'..."

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=qs&keywords=0748624279