Gaelic players announce media ban

[ONeill]

The payment of managers is a bugbear of mine and it was actually the blind eye turned to this whilst others griped about a player grant that annoyed me most. I know of clubs in Tyrone that aren't what you would call high profile who pay big dough to an outsider to tell them where to run. Conway's club, Kildress, have a long line of high profile outsiders, dating right back to the 70s. I'm sure there wasn't much volunteerism there or love of the club.

Is there much in the way of payment to players at club level, I suppose especially those who are working in foreign climes?

[Final Whistle]

Moy paid Peter Loughran £100,000 to pull on the sky blue jersey.

Peter Loughran  had to pay the Moy £250,000 after they seen his shooting!!

[heffo]

Is there much in the way of payment to players at club level, I suppose especially those who are working in foreign climes?

It's rampant at club level in Dublin - mainly for players from other counties transferring to clubs, there have been cases of Dublin players transferring and getting paid for it.

[orangeman]

The Gaelic Players Association are expected to meet today to hold talks on whether or not to continue their television and radio blackout.

GPA members refused to give pre or post-match interviews, in advance or after Sunday's Leinster football and Munster hurling finals and are expected to decide on their course of action for Sunday's Ulster and Connacht football finals.

The protest comes on the back of the GPA's efforts to gain official recognition from the GAA and a five per cent share of gate receipts, television revenue and sponsorship money.

The GAA have categorically ruled the 5% figure out, instead, offering to cover the association's administration costs.

[Zulu]

Payment to managers is the accepted practice in every county in Ireland at this stage, not every club does it and not every county does it but it is widespread and nobody that I know of complains about it. Are all the lads bitching about it here the only defenders of the true amatuer, volunteer faith? And if so why don't you raise this issue in your clubs and county conventions? Do any of you coach teams, are any of you going to the sports tracker coaching conference in July, or doing the various GAA coaching courses etc.? The main reason some clubs pay coaches is because they can't get anyone from their own club to do it, it appears some lads would prefer to see GAA coaches jailed rather than doing a bit of coaching themselves.

[JMohan]

Is there much in the way of payment to players at club level, I suppose especially those who are working in foreign climes?

It's rampant at club level in Dublin - mainly for players from other counties transferring to clubs, there have been cases of Dublin players transferring and getting paid for it.

And in two cases 2 Dublin players going to a Meath club ... oh yeh ... allegedly

[JMohan]

Not all managers are paid. Some are. Ironically the big jobs entail no pay where as some lower down the scale can command some substantial fees. Kilkenny hurling, kerry football, tyrone football, dublin football, tipp hurling-, cork none of those managers get paid.

Did some one not give up a teaching position so they could concentrate on managing their county full time?

The current Monaghan trainer you mean?


Also read Pat O'Sheas book and see what he said - not full time professional - but his time was covered.
And that was what was admitted to ...

What does Mickey Harte do?

The Dublin manager gets nothing from the County Board I'd be sure - neither do does the Cork\Kilkenny manager
- But sure it's NEVER the county board who pay the bills - what do you think 'Supporters Clubs' are for?

Micky Harte is an Auctioneer and I would be very suprised if he was getting paid to manage Tyrone

The 'Supporters Club' don't contribute towards his 'expenses' then?

[Bud Wiser]

In response to a private message I got - "was that Tommy Carr you were talking about" the answer is no, it was Charlie Redmond on RTE.  Tommy Carr does it for the sake of the ould GAA.

Do any of you coach teams, are any of you going to the sports tracker coaching conference in July, or doing the various GAA coaching courses etc.? The main reason some clubs pay coaches is because they can't get anyone from their own club to do it, it appears some lads would prefer to see GAA coaches jailed rather than doing a bit of coaching themselves.

How many counties have won AIF's in the last ten years with managers from outside their counties?   There are lots of potential, and that potential having being hard earned, boys from local clubs who were undermined before they were even given a tracksuit by the threat of imports.  Many of these men have retired from every aspect of the game, even attending matches, many of them would rather see the Pro's drinking from a straw than an Energiser bottle and when the championship is reduced to three or four real contenders they, like Gerald McCarthey will be better entertained sitting at home watching Judge Judy.

[Rois]

The 'Supporters Club' don't contribute towards his 'expenses' then?

At the risk of repeating myself, Club Tyrone do not give Mickey Harte any money.

[heffo]

In response to a private message I got - "was that Tommy Carr you were talking about" the answer is no, it was Charlie Redmond on RTE.  Tommy Carr does it for the sake of the ould GAA.

Do any of you coach teams, are any of you going to the sports tracker coaching conference in July, or doing the various GAA coaching courses etc.? The main reason some clubs pay coaches is because they can't get anyone from their own club to do it, it appears some lads would prefer to see GAA coaches jailed rather than doing a bit of coaching themselves.

When did he say that Bud??

[orangeman]

The 'Supporters Club' don't contribute towards his 'expenses' then?

At the risk of repeating myself, Club Tyrone do not give Mickey Harte any money.
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Club Tyrone have an audit report and the last report I saw did not include any payment to Mickey Harte. Mickey works as an estate agent.

[Zulu]

How many counties have won AIF's in the last ten years with managers from outside their counties?

That's not a credible argument since most of the strong counties wouldn't allow an outsider take their county team even when it might benefit them to do so. Outside managers normally take the weaker teams so they are unlikely to win an AI but many of them have done quite well with the counties they've had.

There are lots of potential, and that potential having being hard earned, boys from local clubs who were undermined before they were even given a tracksuit by the threat of imports.

What evidence is there for that statement? In my experience clubs would prefer if they could appoint someone from within but many don't have the coaches with the necessary ability or the people wiling to make the commitment.

Tbh I'm getting a bit sick of hearing people who aren't doing any coaching themselves giving out about coaches who get paid. I do a lot of coaching myself and although I've never got paid for it I don't begrudge anyone that has, because it is a tough number and if you're good at it you'll be in demand.

[orangeman]

How many counties have won AIF's in the last ten years with managers from outside their counties?

That's not a credible argument since most of the strong counties wouldn't allow an outsider take their county team even when it might benefit them to do so. Outside managers normally take the weaker teams so they are unlikely to win an AI but many of them have done quite well with the counties they've had.

There are lots of potential, and that potential having being hard earned, boys from local clubs who were undermined before they were even given a tracksuit by the threat of imports.

What evidence is there for that statement? In my experience clubs would prefer if they could appoint someone from within but many don't have the coaches with the necessary ability or the people wiling to make the commitment.

Tbh I'm getting a bit sick of hearing people who aren't doing any coaching themselves giving out about coaches who get paid. I do a lot of coaching myself and although I've never got paid for it I don't begrudge anyone that has, because it is a tough number and if you're good at it you'll be in demand.

You'll never be a prophet in your own town.

[INDIANA]

I don't agree Zulu. i can only comment from Dublin's club scene. And often clubs ignore their own and rake out the shekels for outsiders. I know several club managers who are being paid within Dublin and but I can't name them because there is no documentary proof. But they some of them are being paid.
There are also several players being paid. Vincents don't pay either players or managers. That I do know for a fact even though we've had outside players. But other clubs don't have the same ethics.

[orangeman]

I don't agree Zulu. i can only comment from Dublin's club scene. And often clubs ignore their own and rake out the shekels for outsiders. I know several club managers who are being paid within Dublin and but I can't name them because there is no documentary proof. But they some of them are being paid.
There are also several players being paid. Vincents don't pay either players or managers. That I do know for a fact even though we've had outside players. But other clubs don't have the same ethics.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Vincents have a policy for a long number of years NOT to accept outsiders and concentrated on their own players ?? Obviously this has changed recently and Vincents do have outsiders but they refuse to pay players and managers.