Maigh Eo vs Tír Eoghain NFL 2009

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Allianz National Football League 2009

Foireann Sinsir Mhaigh Eó in aghaidh Tír Eoghan





1          David Clarke                (Ballina)

2          Liam O'Malley             (Burrishoole)

3          Ger Cafferkey              (Ballina)

4          Kevin McLoughlin        (Knockmore)

5          Peadar Gardiner          (Crossmolina)

6          Tom Cunniffe               (Castlebar)

7          Andy Moran                 (Ballaghaderreen)

8          Patrick Harte                (Ballina)

9          Ronan McGarrity          (Ballina)

10         Mark Ronaldson           (Shrule-Glencorrib)

11         Trevor Mortimer           (Shrule-Glencorrib)

12         Alan Dillon                   (Ballintubber)

13         Austin O'Malley            (St.Vincents)

14         Aidan O'Shea              (Breaffy)

15         Billy Joe Padden         (Belmullet)

When was the last time we fielded a bigger/heavier full-forward line ?

[AbbeySider]

Allianz National Football League 2009

Foireann Sinsir Mhaigh Eó in aghaidh Tír Eoghan





1          David Clarke                (Ballina)

2          Liam O'Malley             (Burrishoole)

3          Ger Cafferkey              (Ballina)

4          Kevin McLoughlin        (Knockmore)

5          Peadar Gardiner          (Crossmolina)

6          Tom Cunniffe               (Castlebar)

7          Andy Moran                 (Ballaghaderreen)

8          Patrick Harte                (Ballina)

9          Ronan McGarrity          (Ballina)

10         Mark Ronaldson           (Shrule-Glencorrib)

11         Trevor Mortimer           (Shrule-Glencorrib)

12         Alan Dillon                   (Ballintubber)

13         Austin O'Malley            (St.Vincents)

14         Aidan O'Shea              (Breaffy)

15         Billy Joe Padden         (Belmullet)

When was the last time we fielded a bigger/heavier full-forward line ?

No Connor AGAIN!!!!

Controversial

[Farrandeelin]

Controversial surely. I hope the u-21 lads pull through without any injury. Saying that we've seen different things as well and I'd be of moysider's opinion that he expressed that there will be changes made on the day. The line-up is becoming more settled however, same half-backs and half-forwards. PS where is Barry Moran?

[moysider]

Controversial surely. I hope the u-21 lads pull through without any injury. Saying that we've seen different things as well and I'd be of moysider's opinion that he expressed that there will be changes made on the day. The line-up is becoming more settled however, same half-backs and half-forwards. PS where is Barry Moran?

Still not recovered from what must have been a bad hamstring tear I m guessing. Must be still not fully right. Pity. He could have done with more league time.

[moysider]

I don't see the problem, O'Mahoney is taking a look at a few young lads against proven Senior Championship footballers 3 days before their potential opponents play in their provincial final. If they lose 1 lad, that's bad luck. If they lose 2, then that's awful bad luck. But if, as expected, they lose none then JO'M has a few real options that he couldn't really have considered properly otherwise.

True. But the dogs in the street know what those lads are like at this stage. They did well against proven senior footballers in the Galway game. I d be more concerned that likes of Heaney and Higgins can still do it this year.

[Zulu]

I don't see the problem, O'Mahoney is taking a look at a few young lads against proven Senior Championship footballers 3 days before their potential opponents play in their provincial final. If they lose 1 lad, that's bad luck. If they lose 2, then that's awful bad luck. But if, as expected, they lose none then JO'M has a few real options that he couldn't really have considered properly otherwise.

True. But the dogs in the street know what those lads are like at this stage. They did well against proven senior footballers in the Galway game. I d be more concerned that likes of Heaney and Higgins can still do it this year.

This game wouldn't really tell you that though Moysider since the boys are only back a wet week. Anyway if JOM and Mayo are serious about winning AI's Nallen, and probably Heaney, have no place in the starting 15, he has brought them back without seeing them this year so he obviously wants them around but he needs to challenge the younger players as often as possible because it is on their shoulders the year will rise or fall.

[Farrandeelin]

Zulu, I think you're a Corkman. What do you reckon Mayo's chances are of lifting Sam this year? Yes it is a ridiculous question I know but it'd be interesting to hear some comments from an outsider.

[muppet]

If we were in with a real chance of being relegated I would have no problem Zulu but we're not, barring a miracle. Its going to put out the Under 21s more than a small bit. If Mayo are missing either of these two for the semi-final they are in major trouble. I pray they don't get injured. Is JOM being selfish? Of course he is. Is he entitled to be? Perhaps but I thought he could show a bit of consideration and add in the fact that if Mayo U-21s do win the All-Ireland he'll have six panel members brimful of confidence heading into the Connacht championship.

As I was saying earlier a part of me was curious about how O'Shea would do against Gormley but I think its actually putting enormous pressure on the fella to be asked to  perform against Gormley.

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Willie Joe made his 1st appearance in the league against a pre-injury Brian Mullins. if he is good enough..............

[Zulu]

Zulu, I think you're a Corkman. What do you reckon Mayo's chances are of lifting Sam this year? Yes it is a ridiculous question I know but it'd be interesting to hear some comments from an outsider.

What gave you that idea??? I'm not by the way, as for your question Farrandeelin, well I think Mayo have little or no chance of winning the All Ireland this year or any time soon. Why? well McGarrity at midfield is at best a supporting IC midfielder, not a main man, and you lack firepower up front. IMO C. Mort wouldn't make at least two or three of the top forward lines in the country, yet he has been yer 'go to' forward in the last number of years. IMO Mayo have plenty of good footballers and few if any exceptional ones, and it is those players that make the difference between winning AI's and making semi's or the odd final. I hope I'm wrong but I'd have at least 5 teams above you in my list of likely AI winners.

[rosnarun]

Lads you do realize david heaney is only 31. thats younger them a certain P Joyce the way he has been written off here you sear he was in his early 40's . sure he has played a lot but thats why it was great for him to have a proper break for the winter. hell be raring to go and will be badly needed  Probably at full back before the year is out . but id havw no fears about him where ever he plays hes still one of the best players in the country..
Nallen is closer to retirement but could well have a few good years left in him yet. its this kind of class and expeience that you need esp if you are going to start a few kids  like O'Shea Vaughan and Mcloughlin in the team

I hope I'm wrong but I'd have at least 5 teams above you in my list of likely AI winners

who ?
kerry and tyrone (though tyrone after there last 2 AI wins were no great shakes)
after that mayo need have little fear
armagh are a busted flush
dublin are going backwards
Cork have a similar history to mayo
Galway y about the same level but wilt even quicker under the sun in the last few years Ditto Derry

[Zulu]

Well RR this is where it comes down to opinion but IMO all the teams you mention have more firepower than Mayo and most of them have better midfields and at least as good a defence. Now you could start arguing the toss about some of the defences but Mayo don't even have a settled, proven full or center back so if teh y have a better back 6 than any of the teams you mentioned it isn't so much so that it makes up for the deficiencies elsewhere.

If Mayo were to come up against Kerry or Tyrone they'd be beaten, though they might shock Tyrone.

If Mayo were to come up against Cork, Derry, Dublin or Galway (in CP) I'd fancy Mayo to be beaten though they could beat all 4 on a given day.

If Mayo were to come up against Monaghan, Kildare or Armagh (maybe Meath) they could easily be beaten though I'd give Mayo the nod.

And the reason I think so many teams could (on a given day) or a few would (most days) beat Mayo is ye have a serious lack of firepower or real class players dotted around the pitch. The reason ye could beat most of those teams on a given day is because ye have good footballers all around the pitch, just not enough class ones that would give me confidence when you meet the best in do or die games.

[Farrandeelin]

Zulu, I phrased it wrongly, it should have read; 'Zulu you're a Corkman, I think' instead of 'Zulu, I think you're a Corkman'. Anyway, that's what most of us are thinking, despite us winning the last 4 Connacht u-21 titles in a row we still haven't learned how to utilise that talent and win Sam with those players yet anyway.

[moysider]

Well RR this is where it comes down to opinion but IMO all the teams you mention have more firepower than Mayo and most of them have better midfields and at least as good a defence. Now you could start arguing the toss about some of the defences but Mayo don't even have a settled, proven full or center back so if teh y have a better back 6 than any of the teams you mentioned it isn't so much so that it makes up for the deficiencies elsewhere.

If Mayo were to come up against Kerry or Tyrone they'd be beaten, though they might shock Tyrone.

If Mayo were to come up against Cork, Derry, Dublin or Galway (in CP) I'd fancy Mayo to be beaten though they could beat all 4 on a given day.

If Mayo were to come up against Monaghan, Kildare or Armagh (maybe Meath) they could easily be beaten though I'd give Mayo the nod.

And the reason I think so many teams could (on a given day) or a few would (most days) beat Mayo is ye have a serious lack of firepower or real class players dotted around the pitch. The reason ye could beat most of those teams on a given day is because ye have good footballers all around the pitch, just not enough class ones that would give me confidence when you meet the best in do or die games.

I d go along with that. Which makes getting rid of class players while they still have a lot to offer all the more puzzling.

In spite of winning 4 provincal U21 titles in a row, including an AI we have nt produced a forward that would scare the daylights out of a back. There s is nt one on the current U21 team either( the single reason I would have doubts about AI winning prospects this year). They best forwards( and they had class) from the U21 teams 04-09 were Conroy and Campbell. And we all know what happened to them.

Not since the days of emerging O Neill and MacDonald have we had outstanding forward talent coming into the team. And in O Neill s case that s nearly 20 years ago.

[Farrandeelin]

True... It's shocking to think that though we've lacked a forward that could score from anywhere, which is what O'Neill could do in his best days, especially for Knockmore and he was an all-star in 93 so it was another wasted talent, I couldn't understand how he wasn't on the panel for 10 years.

[Tyrone Dreamer]

Has anyone saw a list of Tyrone subs for Sunday? I take it Stephen O'Neill isnt on the bench? The Tyrone website used to be good with this kind of information but have noticed towards the end of the league it has been slower to put up the team and I dont see this weeks on it at all.