Cattle cull

[trileacman]

What's the legal procedure  for keeping cattle?

I'm assuming I just can't  buy a  cow or twenty from a farmer and stick them in  a field?

I'm assuming there's paperwork to fill out  before that happens?

You need a herd number to keep any livestock even if it's just one. I think you can keep up to 5 bovines with a basic herd number but beyond that you need a level 3 agriculture diploma or equivalent (year long evening course would get you it). Even without the diploma you are bound by law to adhere to animal welfare and traceability standards.

The farmer in this case had a total ban on being involved with the management of any farm animals. I assume the 51 animals in question were being kept in another persons herd number but being managed by the convicted farmer.

[AustinPowers]

What's the legal procedure  for keeping cattle?

I'm assuming I just can't  buy a  cow or twenty from a farmer and stick them in  a field?

I'm assuming there's paperwork to fill out  before that happens?

Yes, you need a herd number from DAERA and herdbook to record tags / TB status/ movements / births/ deaths.

Good luck with the new career !

That's sort  of what I was thinking.

But trileacman has  explained how he might have gotten  around  all that.

[DaleCooper]

Diploma? Dont know about that.

My da keeps few beef and is part of Farm Quality Assurance Scheme. You can get a visit any time to audit books/ animal welfare check.

The thing is, these things are all fairly permissive and give farmers space to come into compliance.

Even the ballbag involved in this case was given an extra week extension on top of legal standard two weeks. After all he did.

[reddgnhand]

What's the legal procedure  for keeping cattle?

I'm assuming I just can't  buy a  cow or twenty from a farmer and stick them in  a field?

I'm assuming there's paperwork to fill out  before that happens?

You need a herd number to keep any livestock even if it's just one. I think you can keep up to 5 bovines with a basic herd number but beyond that you need a level 3 agriculture diploma or equivalent (year long evening course would get you it). Even without the diploma you are bound by law to adhere to animal welfare and traceability standards.

The farmer in this case had a total ban on being involved with the management of any farm animals. I assume the 51 animals in question were being kept in another persons herd number but being managed by the convicted farmer.

The case was heard in June the ban didn't start until then.

https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/26175632.fivemiletown-farmer-banned-life-keeping-animals/

[trileacman]

What's the legal procedure  for keeping cattle?

I'm assuming I just can't  buy a  cow or twenty from a farmer and stick them in  a field?

I'm assuming there's paperwork to fill out  before that happens?

You need a herd number to keep any livestock even if it's just one. I think you can keep up to 5 bovines with a basic herd number but beyond that you need a level 3 agriculture diploma or equivalent (year long evening course would get you it). Even without the diploma you are bound by law to adhere to animal welfare and traceability standards.

The farmer in this case had a total ban on being involved with the management of any farm animals. I assume the 51 animals in question were being kept in another persons herd number but being managed by the convicted farmer.

The case was heard in June the ban didn't start until then.

https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/26175632.fivemiletown-farmer-banned-life-keeping-animals/

Given that the dead animals were found at the initial investigation started in Jan 2022 I had assumed that he had been banned from keeping cattle before now.

It's 4 years ago, why would DAERA have allowed him to keep livestock for the entire intervening period?

[trileacman]

Diploma? Dont know about that.

My da keeps few beef and is part of Farm Quality Assurance Scheme. You can get a visit any time to audit books/ animal welfare check.

The thing is, these things are all fairly permissive and give farmers space to come into compliance.

Even the ballbag involved in this case was given an extra week extension on top of legal standard two weeks. After all he did.

To draw down any funding from DAERA you need a level 3 diploma with the exception of anyone who held a herd number registration prior to the intro of this policy (around 15-20 years ago). You don't need the diploma to draw funding for environmental schemes but the funding for them is small.

[johnnycool]

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/crime/farmer-banned-from-keeping-animals-for-life-after-dozens-of-cattle-die-through-neglect-8765769

suspended sentence!

When are the concerned farmers going to Stormont about this?

[DaleCooper]

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/crime/farmer-banned-from-keeping-animals-for-life-after-dozens-of-cattle-die-through-neglect-8765769

suspended sentence!

When are the concerned farmers going to Stormont about this?

"There were three more dead calves in a loader bucket and another dead calf was in a farm pen.

A further dead calf was covered by plastic.

Vets were called in and, due to their conditions, a number of calves had to be put down.

The court was told that in total nine cattle were found dead and 19 had to be put down to relieve their suffering"

Off in Cornwall on holiday. Lovely.

[marty34]

How, and and maybe more importantly why, does a farmer leave these animals like this?

I just don't understand it.

[Tony Baloney]

How, and and maybe more importantly why, does a farmer leave these animals like this?

I just don't understand it.

People buy expensive cars and don't maintain them. It makes no sense but it happens.

[marty34]

How, and and maybe more importantly why, does a farmer leave these animals like this?

I just don't understand it.

People buy expensive cars and don't maintain them. It makes no sense but it happens.

But farming is a business.

[RadioGAAGAA]

But farming is a business.

Probably more accurately described as the most expensive hobby in Ireland!

[johnnycool]

Jan 2025 and another farmer allowing his animals to suffer and being put down.

I honestly didn't know it was as common as it seems to be!

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/country-and-farming/animal-suffering-case-nintey-one-creatures-put-down-on-farm-of-co-fermanagh-man-71-4962920

So this isn't a new thing for DEARA vets at all, which is sad and that isn't to say they didn't botch the recent one up either.

[DaleCooper]

But farming is a business.

Probably more accurately described as the most expensive hobby in Ireland!

Not when you break even

£2200 av other day on 3 bullocks.

Dont mention fertiliser or meal cost