The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Armagh18]

Not sure why people think Iran is doing well in this conflict? It is being systematically pulverised. Iran has got a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of it's resistance strategy - economic pressure, the choke point of Hormuz is an open goal and a plentiful supply of cheap drones that it can launch from anywhere, they've certainly a huge nuisance value, but to characterise as much more  than that is balls imo.

They don't need to "win" in a traditional sense to actually win the war as daft as that sounds, as long as they can keep causing economic hassle and keep firing missiles they're doing alright. By all accounts they've done a lot more harm to Tel Aviv than is being let on.

[trileacman]

Not sure why people think Iran is doing well in this conflict? It is being systematically pulverised. Iran has got a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of it's resistance strategy - economic pressure, the choke point of Hormuz is an open goal and a plentiful supply of cheap drones that it can launch from anywhere, they've certainly a huge nuisance value, but to characterise as much more  than that is balls imo.

They don't need to "win" in a traditional sense to actually win the war as daft as that sounds, as long as they can keep causing economic hassle and keep firing missiles they're doing alright. By all accounts they've done a lot more harm to Tel Aviv than is being let on.

That's bollocks to be honest. Their infrastructure is pulverised as well as lots of their military facilities, their navy vessels and their air force. They've suffered tens of billions of damage and that's before we mention the thousands of citizen's who have died. All they've to show for their attacks on Israel and American is a few damaged streets in Israel and Americans paying more for gas. It's been a very expensive war for Iran no matter what the outcome.

[johnnycool]

Not sure why people think Iran is doing well in this conflict? It is being systematically pulverised. Iran has got a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of it's resistance strategy - economic pressure, the choke point of Hormuz is an open goal and a plentiful supply of cheap drones that it can launch from anywhere, they've certainly a huge nuisance value, but to characterise as much more  than that is balls imo.

They don't need to "win" in a traditional sense to actually win the war as daft as that sounds, as long as they can keep causing economic hassle and keep firing missiles they're doing alright. By all accounts they've done a lot more harm to Tel Aviv than is being let on.

That's bollocks to be honest. Their infrastructure is pulverised as well as lots of their military facilities, their navy vessels and their air force. They've suffered tens of billions of damage and that's before we mention the thousands of citizen's who have died. All they've to show for their attacks on Israel and American is a few damaged streets in Israel and Americans paying more for gas. It's been a very expensive war for Iran no matter what the outcome.

Iran didn't start this war, Israel and the US did.

There's no winning in this for anyone, surviving is where it's at for Iran, but at the same time the US has gotten it's nose bloodied, and Israel is no long untouchable.

That causes huge issues for the Zionist project and all those Ashkenazi's with dual passports maybe no longer comfortable living in air raid shelters and will return back to Europe to relative safety.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Not sure why people think Iran is doing well in this conflict? It is being systematically pulverised. Iran has got a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of it's resistance strategy - economic pressure, the choke point of Hormuz is an open goal and a plentiful supply of cheap drones that it can launch from anywhere, they've certainly a huge nuisance value, but to characterise as much more  than that is balls imo.

They don't need to "win" in a traditional sense to actually win the war as daft as that sounds, as long as they can keep causing economic hassle and keep firing missiles they're doing alright. By all accounts they've done a lot more harm to Tel Aviv than is being let on.

That's bollocks to be honest. Their infrastructure is pulverised as well as lots of their military facilities, their navy vessels and their air force. They've suffered tens of billions of damage and that's before we mention the thousands of citizen's who have died. All they've to show for their attacks on Israel and American is a few damaged streets in Israel and Americans paying more for gas. It's been a very expensive war for Iran no matter what the outcome.

Who says they are being pulverised?

They are doing a hell of a lot more damage than that.

[RedHand88]

Not sure why people think Iran is doing well in this conflict? It is being systematically pulverised. Iran has got a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of it's resistance strategy - economic pressure, the choke point of Hormuz is an open goal and a plentiful supply of cheap drones that it can launch from anywhere, they've certainly a huge nuisance value, but to characterise as much more  than that is balls imo.

Because people will believe anything if it makes America look bad. I've never seen so much anti-western sentiment in the West as right now. Thing is if they spent 5 minutes under an autocratic regime like Iran they'd be dying to get back home singing Stars and Stripes along the way.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Not sure why people think Iran is doing well in this conflict? It is being systematically pulverised. Iran has got a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of it's resistance strategy - economic pressure, the choke point of Hormuz is an open goal and a plentiful supply of cheap drones that it can launch from anywhere, they've certainly a huge nuisance value, but to characterise as much more  than that is balls imo.

Because people will believe anything if it makes America look bad. I've never seen so much anti-western sentiment in the West as right now. Thing is if they spent 5 minutes under an autocratic regime like Iran they'd be dying to get back home singing Stars and Stripes along the way.

So they are our choices. If you don't support everything Israel and the US do you are anti Western?

It is perfectly possible to oppose this shitshow and still oppose the Iranian regime

[Rossfan]

When are the Yanks and war criminals going to bomb the autocratic, theocratic human rights abusing Saudi Arabia?

[RedHand88]

When are the Yanks and war criminals going to bomb the autocratic, theocratic human rights abusing Saudi Arabia?

I'm not cheerleader for Saudi Arabia the way many are cheerleading for Iran though so it's irrelevant. 90+ dictatorships on Earth, you expect them to invade them all?

[Rossfan]

The cnuts shouldn't be invading anyone!
Nobody cheerleading for the Ayatollahs, just opposed to 2 thug Countries bombing sovereign States and murdering loads of civilians, children etc.

Of course its all at Cuntanyahu's bidding.

[Baile Brigín 2]

When are the Yanks and war criminals going to bomb the autocratic, theocratic human rights abusing Saudi Arabia?

I'm not cheerleader for Saudi Arabia the way many are cheerleading for Iran though so it's irrelevant. 90+ dictatorships on Earth, you expect them to invade them all?

We don't expect them to invade any. That being the point.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The cnuts shouldn't be invading anyone!
Nobody cheerleading for the Ayatollahs, just opposed to 2 thug Countries bombing sovereign States and murdering loads of civilians, children etc.

Of course its all at Cuntanyahu's bidding.

He knows this. He is just playing the thick

[Wildweasel74]

9/11, 19 of the plane hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Whats US do,Invade Iraq. I think the US starting to find out how universally disliked they are around the world.

[RedHand88]

9/11 19 plane highjackers were from Saudi Arabia. Whats US do,Invade Iraq. I think the US starting to find out how universally disliked they are around the world.

Why would they have invaded Saudi after 9/11? Saudi regime had nothing to do with it.
They were Saudi nationals, it wasn't the Saudi government.
Tbf Iraq was also irrelevant to 9/11.

[Baile Brigín 2]

9/11 19 plane highjackers were from Saudi Arabia. Whats US do,Invade Iraq. I think the US starting to find out how universally disliked they are around the world.

Why would they have invaded Saudi after 9/11? Saudi regime had nothing to do with it.
They were Saudi nationals, it wasn't the Saudi government.
Tbf Iraq was also irrelevant to 9/11.

Will you do us all a favour and read your replies back to yourself before posting.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Not sure why people think Iran is doing well in this conflict? It is being systematically pulverised. Iran has got a lot of low hanging fruit in terms of it's resistance strategy - economic pressure, the choke point of Hormuz is an open goal and a plentiful supply of cheap drones that it can launch from anywhere, they've certainly a huge nuisance value, but to characterise as much more  than that is balls imo.

It may be getting pulverised, it may be not.

Yet I don't see a route to any kind of exit that can be called a victory for Trump.

The I"D"F doesn't care about "victory" - they've got another rake of excuses to bomb the shit out of civilians... and maybe hit a military target or two by proxy. A few days after getting over their blood lust, they'd be delighted with what they've got away with so far.


Long term? Well that's just a massive f**k up. Why would Iran ever negotiate with "the west" in good faith ever again?