Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[David McKeown]

I think the point (no pun intended) that's being made by those opposed to the two pointers is more that the elements can now have a bigger impact on the game than they used to which I don't think benefits the game.

The two pointer devalues the value of both a goal and a point.

That said it's here to stay so may as well get on with it

You are aware the wind affects both sides equally?

You are aware that's not even close to true?

[onefineday]

Why can you not go backwards on a solo and go. Surely there are times when that would be advantageous to not have to try and go through a couple of groups of players or to make a better angle for a pass.

It was to promote forward play, the minute you encourage players to take the safe route they'll take it, possession is key, and that's why we've had the changes. to come away from the safe option and provide excitement

Summed up nicely.

The new rules were devise largely to restore the balance of territory vs possession. Any rule change that promotes possession would fly in the face of what's trying to be achieved.

Also, couldn't they have compromised on the 2 pt idea by abolishing the 2 pt frees?  It's only a matter of time before every team has a Sean O'Se and 2 point frees begin to look as routine as a conversion in American football.

Abolishing 2 point frees makes no sense. Otherwise when someone is lining up a 2 pointer attempt from play you can just foul them knowing the punishment is only a one point free attempt from 40m+.
If you have 2 pointers from play you have to have 2 pointer frees.

The statistians would make the decision easy.
Expected points against if you let them attempt the 2 pointer: 1.2*
Expected points against if you foul them: 0.78*
(wild estimates but safe to say the first figure would be significantly bigger than the second)

Except that actually it's the reverse according to the admittedly sparse stats available. Expected value of easiest 2 pt attempt from play with no pressure is about 1.3pts going down to 0.7pts under heavy pressure (which you would need if you want to be close enough to foul). You'd imagine a free from that top of the D position is about 90% conversion, therefore 1.8pts currently or 0.9pts if the free was worth 1pt. As angles change and kicks from play get more difficult you'd expect the gap to widen. What statisticians will be encouraging then is to try and draw the foul when outside the arc if at all possible.

[Milltown Row2]

I think the point (no pun intended) that's being made by those opposed to the two pointers is more that the elements can now have a bigger impact on the game than they used to which I don't think benefits the game.

The two pointer devalues the value of both a goal and a point.

That said it's here to stay so may as well get on with it

You are aware the wind affects both sides equally?

You are aware that's not even close to true?

Equally in that the wind will generally blow down one side of the pitch, each team will play against and with the wind..

Should the wind die off will that's just tough, that would be the same when the game had no arc, the advantage was always with the team who had the wind, what they do with it is up to them.

From someone who was against the rules when they were initially brought out I've come to enjoy the change

[David McKeown]

I think the point (no pun intended) that's being made by those opposed to the two pointers is more that the elements can now have a bigger impact on the game than they used to which I don't think benefits the game.

The two pointer devalues the value of both a goal and a point.

That said it's here to stay so may as well get on with it

You are aware the wind affects both sides equally?

You are aware that's not even close to true?

Equally in that the wind will generally blow down one side of the pitch, each team will play against and with the wind..

Should the wind die off will that's just tough, that would be the same when the game had no arc, the advantage was always with the team who had the wind, what they do with it is up to them.

From someone who was against the rules when they were initially brought out I've come to enjoy the change

But that's the point. The impact of the wind potentially dying off is now much more significant.

Environmental factors will always impact games to an extent. I'm very much of the view that you want rules which lessen the impact of environmental conditions and therefore increase the impact of the ability of the teams playing. The two point rule does the opposite.

[Rossfan]

Don't play on a windy day?

[EoinW]

I think the point (no pun intended) that's being made by those opposed to the two pointers is more that the elements can now have a bigger impact on the game than they used to which I don't think benefits the game.

The two pointer devalues the value of both a goal and a point.

That said it's here to stay so may as well get on with it

You are aware the wind affects both sides equally?

You are aware that's not even close to true?

Equally in that the wind will generally blow down one side of the pitch, each team will play against and with the wind..

Should the wind die off will that's just tough, that would be the same when the game had no arc, the advantage was always with the team who had the wind, what they do with it is up to them.

From someone who was against the rules when they were initially brought out I've come to enjoy the change

But that's the point. The impact of the wind potentially dying off is now much more significant.

Environmental factors will always impact games to an extent. I'm very much of the view that you want rules which lessen the impact of environmental conditions and therefore increase the impact of the ability of the teams playing. The two point rule does the opposite.

Thank you for making my point.  If I'd made it, certain posters would get their knickers in a knot.

RE: referees.  The best way to make things easier for them is to eliminate judgement calls when possible.  Anytime they make such a call they please half the participants/spectators and infuriate the other half.

This is why I liked the concept of the hooter idea - slightly less responsibility for the referee.  The Black card has not worked because it's not administered with consistency and that's because it's another judgement call for the referee.  If anything, the new rules have increased the referee's burden.

[David McKeown]

Don't play on a windy day?

I think the Saw Doctors disabused me of that notion groaning up.

[AustinPowers]

The Sam Mulroy hand pass v  Kildare

Shaped to shoot, ball in left  hand.  Then throws and  passes with same hand to teammate who points.

Foul?

(Ref allowed it)

[David McKeown]

The Sam Mulroy hand pass v  Kildare

Shaped to shoot, ball in left  hand.  Then throws and  passes with same hand to teammate who points.

Foul?

(Ref allowed it)

No perfectly fine.
When in possession, the ball may be played away with:
(i) a fist or
(ii) an open hand - in which instance there shall be a definite underhand
striking action.
The striking hand shall not be in contact with the ball before delivering the
strike.
When both hands are involved, the ball may be struck off a holding hand by
the other hand or released from the holding hand and struck with the other
hand.
When one hand is involved, the ball may be released from the holding hand
and struck with the same hand.
The releasing of the ball, when used, is considered an integral part of the
fisted/open Handpass.

[Rossfan]

Memory to Austin....
Read the Playing rules of football part of An T.O.

[AustinPowers]

Memory to Austin....
Read the Playing rules of football part of An T.O.

Ach, sure who could be  arsed with that?

Its easier   asking  our referees on here

[AustinPowers]

Kerry get a  free, and Murphy wrestles the  ball out of  Kerry players hands thinking it was a Donegal Free

Genuine misunderstanding maybe , but still , is that not  similar to not handing the ball back... and therefore should be  moved up 50 yards?

[Armagh18]

Kerry get a  free, and Murphy wrestles the  ball out of  Kerry players hands thinking it was a Donegal Free

Genuine misunderstanding maybe , but still , is that not  similar to not handing the ball back... and therefore should be  moved up 50 yards?

Yes but it was Murphy...

Punching someone in the jaw is usually a red too

[trileacman]

How long are the GAA going to keep their head in the sand regarding the hooter rule. This 3 minute window of keep-ball before the hooter is a cancer on the game. Never mind the fact that players usually then boot the ball 10 yards wide as they shoot under pressure. It's now clear as day the rule has to go.

As regarding the other rules I noticed yesterday that there is still really long spells of hand passing possession. Donegal in particular, spent most of the 2nd half walking around in possession 60 yards out without intent or reason to go on the attack. Croke Park fell pretty much silent as everyone (including the players on the pitch) waited for an attack to happen. I thought the rule changes had solved this problem?

[marty34]

I don't mind the hooter as it was last year.

The problem was it as changed because of the Clifford point just before half-time last year. They changed it on basically one play. Silly. Should have kept it. It was straightforward to understand...for everyone.

Now, this year, it's a mess.

Look at the Meath V Cork game yesterday. All Meath had to do was foul in the last minute to run the clock down. Then foul again...and foul again. With no punishment. Black card with seconds left. Who cares.

Silly to have changed it from last year.