Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[EoinW43]

Why can you not go backwards on a solo and go. Surely there are times when that would be advantageous to not have to try and go through a couple of groups of players or to make a better angle for a pass.

It was to promote forward play, the minute you encourage players to take the safe route they'll take it, possession is key, and that's why we've had the changes. to come away from the safe option and provide excitement

Summed up nicely.

The new rules were devise largely to restore the balance of territory vs possession. Any rule change that promotes possession would fly in the face of what's trying to be achieved.

Which brings us to the 2 point rule.  I understand that the rule encourages shots on goal.  In that light it discourages possession.  However what we are seeing is teams recycle the ball outside the arc.  It certainly discourages the long ball into goal.  Why risk losing possession for a chance of a goal(3 pts) when you can retain possession outside and wait for your designated 2 pt shooter to get an open shot?

I can't help but think the rule changes will eventually make it more of a possession game than ever.  When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball.

I keep being surprised by how many low quality 1 pt shots are being attempted or how often speculative passes are made towards goal.  I guess old habits die hard.  Makes for entertaining play now but how long before managers get a handle on things and get their players under control?

The simple truth is that managers micro managing games was part of the natural evolution of Gaelic football.  There were no rule changes which created this.  Therefore you can expect the new rules to eventually share the same fate.

A question on the 2 pointers.  Am I the only one who thinks 3v3 violations being punished by 2 pts to be too extreme?  If a team violates with TWO players should the opposition be awarded a penalty?

Also, couldn't they have compromised on the 2 pt idea by abolishing the 2 pt frees?  It's only a matter of time before every team has a Sean O'Se and 2 point frees begin to look as routine as a conversion in American football.

[AustinPowers]

Abolish  2 pointers  full stop. An abomination 

I'm no fan of a fisted  point either, but I'd rather see a fisted point  than those  2 pointers any day . 

[Rossfan]

Put down motions at yer Club agms.
Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to enjoy the "new" rules.

[Cunny Funt]

Why can you not go backwards on a solo and go. Surely there are times when that would be advantageous to not have to try and go through a couple of groups of players or to make a better angle for a pass.

It was to promote forward play, the minute you encourage players to take the safe route they'll take it, possession is key, and that's why we've had the changes. to come away from the safe option and provide excitement

Summed up nicely.

The new rules were devise largely to restore the balance of territory vs possession. Any rule change that promotes possession would fly in the face of what's trying to be achieved.

Which brings us to the 2 point rule.  I understand that the rule encourages shots on goal.  In that light it discourages possession.  However what we are seeing is teams recycle the ball outside the arc.  It certainly discourages the long ball into goal.  Why risk losing possession for a chance of a goal(3 pts) when you can retain possession outside and wait for your designated 2 pt shooter to get an open shot?

I can't help but think the rule changes will eventually make it more of a possession game than ever.  When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball.

I keep being surprised by how many low quality 1 pt shots are being attempted or how often speculative passes are made towards goal.  I guess old habits die hard.  Makes for entertaining play now but how long before managers get a handle on things and get their players under control?

The simple truth is that managers micro managing games was part of the natural evolution of Gaelic football.  There were no rule changes which created this.  Therefore you can expect the new rules to eventually share the same fate.

A question on the 2 pointers.  Am I the only one who thinks 3v3 violations being punished by 2 pts to be too extreme?  If a team violates with TWO players should the opposition be awarded a penalty?

Also, couldn't they have compromised on the 2 pt idea by abolishing the 2 pt frees?  It's only a matter of time before every team has a Sean O'Se and 2 point frees begin to look as routine as a conversion in American football.

Strangly not even discussed at HQ.

[thewobbler]

EoinW it looks like you're already setting up camp for the summer in the same place as you did last year, among the woods but unable to see the trees.

"When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball."

You just don't seem to get it at all.

The changes to the kickout rules and the removal of the keeper from open play means there is no guaranteed way to re-secure possession after any score or wide.

So when in the closing minutes of a game, there will continue to be an obvious incentive to protect a slender lead through possession (with 11 men instead of 15 making it a tougher ask btw). But there is now limited incentive to do so earlier in the game. If you're still inclined, you can f**k around with the ball for minutes at a time if you like. The difference being that your opponents, with an aggressive game plan, need to make just one turnover and can then viably post a big lead in just 3-4 minutes of play, thereby rendering your pishy "tactics" obsolete.

[Blowitupref]

EoinW it looks like you're already setting up camp for the summer in the same place as you did last year, among the woods but unable to see the trees.

"When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball."

You just don't seem to get it at all.

The changes to the kickout rules and the removal of the keeper from open play means there is no guaranteed way to re-secure possession after any score or wide.

So when in the closing minutes of a game, there will continue to be an obvious incentive to protect a slender lead through possession (with 11 men instead of 15 making it a tougher ask btw). But there is now limited incentive to do so earlier in the game. If you're still inclined, you can f**k around with the ball for minutes at a time if you like. The difference being that your opponents, with an aggressive game plan, need to make just one turnover and can then viably post a big lead in just 3-4 minutes of play, thereby rendering your pishy "tactics" obsolete.

Good in theory though with unlimited Hand passing it doesn't tend to be easy to win back possession.  Already this year I've seen teams with preplanned routines with hands in the air indicating a slow passage of possession play was incoming.

[blanketattack]

Yesterday in the Hyde one of our defenders under pressure passed the ball back to tge keeper.
However he knew he couldn't touch it and shepherded the ball over the end line for a 45.
If the goalie had caught or kicked the ball in the small square is it a penalty?

Just a free from where he collects the ball, penalties are physical fouls in The square or if a defender lifts the ball off the deck in the small square

Non-contact legblocks?

[trileacman]

EoinW it looks like you're already setting up camp for the summer in the same place as you did last year, among the woods but unable to see the trees.

"When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball."

You just don't seem to get it at all.

The changes to the kickout rules and the removal of the keeper from open play means there is no guaranteed way to re-secure possession after any score or wide.

So when in the closing minutes of a game, there will continue to be an obvious incentive to protect a slender lead through possession (with 11 men instead of 15 making it a tougher ask btw). But there is now limited incentive to do so earlier in the game. If you're still inclined, you can f**k around with the ball for minutes at a time if you like. The difference being that your opponents, with an aggressive game plan, need to make just one turnover and can then viably post a big lead in just 3-4 minutes of play, thereby rendering your pishy "tactics" obsolete.

I don't think this is true at all. I witnessed Pomeroy last year in the Tyrone Championship look to hold possession for extended periods around their own halfway line. Their defenders could freely cycle possession between each other with ease because the forwards were shit scared of crossing the halfway and conceding a 2 point free. For Pomeroy is was a lot easier, once one of their players retreated behind the halfway then another could run up the pitch in possession whilst their marking forward had to watch as they galloped away.

The idea that since the new rules is so easy to push up and turn possession over is just pure bollocks. We still regularly see the extended periods of "keep-ball" that we seen under the old rules, especially at the end of each half. The recent games are littered with examples of players putting a hand or arm up to signal "look now, it's keep-ball time"

[Captain Obvious]

EoinW it looks like you're already setting up camp for the summer in the same place as you did last year, among the woods but unable to see the trees.

"When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball."

You just don't seem to get it at all.

The changes to the kickout rules and the removal of the keeper from open play means there is no guaranteed way to re-secure possession after any score or wide.

So when in the closing minutes of a game, there will continue to be an obvious incentive to protect a slender lead through possession (with 11 men instead of 15 making it a tougher ask btw). But there is now limited incentive to do so earlier in the game. If you're still inclined, you can f**k around with the ball for minutes at a time if you like. The difference being that your opponents, with an aggressive game plan, need to make just one turnover and can then viably post a big lead in just 3-4 minutes of play, thereby rendering your pishy "tactics" obsolete.

I don't think this is true at all. I witnessed Pomeroy last year in the Tyrone Championship look to hold possession for extended periods around their own halfway line. Their defenders could freely cycle possession between each other with ease because the forwards were shit scared of crossing the halfway and conceding a 2 point free. For Pomeroy is was a lot easier, once one of their players retreated behind the halfway then another could run up the pitch in possession whilst their marking forward had to watch as they galloped away.

The idea that since the new rules is so easy to push up and turn possession over is just pure bollocks. We still regularly see the extended periods of "keep-ball" that we seen under the old rules, especially at the end of each half. The recent games are littered with examples of players putting a hand or arm up to signal "look now, it's keep-ball time"

True yet it didn't stop Glenullin getting all the blame for a truly awful Intermediate All-Ireland final.

[In hiding]

EoinW it looks like you're already setting up camp for the summer in the same place as you did last year, among the woods but unable to see the trees.

"When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball."

You just don't seem to get it at all.

The changes to the kickout rules and the removal of the keeper from open play means there is no guaranteed way to re-secure possession after any score or wide.

So when in the closing minutes of a game, there will continue to be an obvious incentive to protect a slender lead through possession (with 11 men instead of 15 making it a tougher ask btw). But there is now limited incentive to do so earlier in the game. If you're still inclined, you can f**k around with the ball for minutes at a time if you like. The difference being that your opponents, with an aggressive game plan, need to make just one turnover and can then viably post a big lead in just 3-4 minutes of play, thereby rendering your pishy "tactics" obsolete.

I don't think this is true at all. I witnessed Pomeroy last year in the Tyrone Championship look to hold possession for extended periods around their own halfway line. Their defenders could freely cycle possession between each other with ease because the forwards were shit scared of crossing the halfway and conceding a 2 point free. For Pomeroy is was a lot easier, once one of their players retreated behind the halfway then another could run up the pitch in possession whilst their marking forward had to watch as they galloped away.

The idea that since the new rules is so easy to push up and turn possession over is just pure bollocks. We still regularly see the extended periods of "keep-ball" that we seen under the old rules, especially at the end of each half. The recent games are littered with examples of players putting a hand or arm up to signal "look now, it's keep-ball time"

True yet it didn't stop Glenullin getting all the blame for a truly awful Intermediate All-Ireland final.

That's because it was their fault. They were 4 or 5 behind and made no effort to try to get the ball back.

If Glenullin were 5 up and their opponents were sitting back waiting then it would not be Glenullins fault.

The onus has to be on the team who are chasing the game

[David McKeown]

Why can you not go backwards on a solo and go. Surely there are times when that would be advantageous to not have to try and go through a couple of groups of players or to make a better angle for a pass.

It was to promote forward play, the minute you encourage players to take the safe route they'll take it, possession is key, and that's why we've had the changes. to come away from the safe option and provide excitement

Summed up nicely.

The new rules were devise largely to restore the balance of territory vs possession. Any rule change that promotes possession would fly in the face of what's trying to be achieved.

Strangely I think it actually encourages what you are trying to prevent. Players can still go backwards albeit with a kick pass. What they can't do is open up angles to switch play as easily. I don't think it would be a negative to let it go backwards. Particularly inside the opposition 65 where it can result in either the slowing of the game to take a backwards free or forces players into congested areas.

[Milltown Row2]

Yesterday in the Hyde one of our defenders under pressure passed the ball back to tge keeper.
However he knew he couldn't touch it and shepherded the ball over the end line for a 45.
If the goalie had caught or kicked the ball in the small square is it a penalty?

Just a free from where he collects the ball, penalties are physical fouls in The square or if a defender lifts the ball off the deck in the small square

Non-contact legblocks?

If deemed dangerous yes.. Can't think of a 'leg block' peno I've ever given though

[EoinW43]

EoinW it looks like you're already setting up camp for the summer in the same place as you did last year, among the woods but unable to see the trees.

"When scoring is too easy, the best way to defend is to deny the opposition the ball."

You just don't seem to get it at all.

The changes to the kickout rules and the removal of the keeper from open play means there is no guaranteed way to re-secure possession after any score or wide.

So when in the closing minutes of a game, there will continue to be an obvious incentive to protect a slender lead through possession (with 11 men instead of 15 making it a tougher ask btw). But there is now limited incentive to do so earlier in the game. If you're still inclined, you can f**k around with the ball for minutes at a time if you like. The difference being that your opponents, with an aggressive game plan, need to make just one turnover and can then viably post a big lead in just 3-4 minutes of play, thereby rendering your pishy "tactics" obsolete.

Love your opening line.  Well played!  Nice to know I haven't been forgotten.

I shall try not to beat a dead horse.  I haven't paid much attention to details but from what I've seen the past two weekends the game looks exactly the same as last year.  To make so many massive changes to the game yet get it so right that all new rules are retained...such infallibility!  Send the FRC to Vatican City!

Regarding your point, even with the kickout rules teams will get possession sooner or later.  I was surprised watching Donegal the 2nd half Sunday.  Holding a 6 point lead, I thought the smart play was to retain possession 2-5 minutes each time.  Just enough to shorten the game.  Yet that evil genius Jim McGuinness didn't do that at all.  I don't think Donegal ever held possession for more than a minute.  Made for a better game to watch.  Also left Kerry in it for a chance of a tying goal at the hooter.

As already pointed out, with no basketball "back over" rule, I imagine it'd be easy to train for a possession game that really "takes the air out of the ball".  I don't wish to see this but I've seen defensive/possession strategies drag down sports like box lacrosse and hockey.

One last thing, then I'll try to shut up.  The problems facing football were too many hand passes and too much possession.  It's puzzling that in all these rule changes there wasn't a single one to restrict or limit hand passing.  Seems that the FRC's ulterior motive was to just make the game higher scoring,  Yet scoring was in the teens, historically where it has always been.

I'm often wrong.  Try not to hate me for it. My conclusion is that creating hurling scorelines is a cover to distract one from the fact they never addressed the hand passing/possession problem at all.  I fear that time and innovative managers will make this apparent to all.

[Rossfan]

Try to be positive tomorrow.
Then try Thursday
Then Friday...etc
Better world awaits

[blanketattack]

Shot clock will have to come in as teams pivot to a possession based game particularly for last few minutes.
Could have a shot clock for last 5 min of the game.
Also expect a few intentional 3v3 breaches.