The UK Labour Party

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/07/starmer-trails-reform-uk-greens-poll/
Labour has fallen to fourth in a new opinion poll – putting the party on track for its worst election result in more than a century.
Support for Sir Keir Starmer's party in the poll of 2,717 adults has slumped to 15 per cent- behind Reform UK, the Greens and the Conservatives.
It is the latest in a string of polls which have put Labour behind the Greens since Zack Polanski was elected leader of that party in September.
Last week the party overtook Labour for the first time in a survey by the same company which placed them on 17 per cent, a point ahead of Sir Keir and Ms Badenoch's parties which were tied on 16 per cent each.

[Hand of God]

The horse has bolted, we live in a life unfortunately that will generate money for someone who has, for whatever reason made it big.

If you were able to design something like, oh I don't know, hair making drugs, you've put the effort in and now you can enjoy the success and money that the effort has brought to you..

You become a billionaire on the back of it, to keep it going you need to employ people at the factory, its a minimum wage job, putting pills into a box and packing them.

Would they be seen as the profiteering off the baldy men and the low paid factory workers?

Like what are they meant to do? Give it away and pay 6 figure sums to the staff at the packing plant?


There has been profit makers since the dawn of civilisation, and since the industrial revolution it has soared to crazy heights.. What is the answer?

Giving more money to a corrupt/dysfunctional government isn't the answer either, as they can't and haven't been able to get their own house in order with all the money they have!

Most people are using devices (along with multiple other items) that have generated the billionaires. Stop the need for them. Stop travelling around the world. stop going to supermarkets, grow your own shit, get a bike, stop working for the corporates. Stop paying house insurance.. Lets see how long you and your family survive off grid

We love a good moan 

More utter nonsense. You seem to be one those guys who probably lives on the breadline but would happily take a bullet for a billionaire to avoid paying tax. Wealth inequality has destroyed the social fabric.

The banking crisis, Covid and the war in Ukraine hade all been exploited by billionaires to gouge the ordinary people more and more. Greed and control are what drive the.. You seem to think that these people are hard working geniuses that are doing so much for their workers, absolute nonsense. Most of them got to where they are mostly thanks to shameless grift, trust funds and connections to the right people.

I did ask for the solution, the ranting is good, that is your norm.. Very angry, do you work for a company or yourself?

The solution is what you are against.

Stricter regulation of industrial sectors.
Improved workers rights.
Higher taxation on billionaires and large conglomerates.
Nationalisation of vital services and industries.

I don't know where you get the idea I'm angry. I only corrected the rubbish you were spouting.

When you see the state of the world at the minute is it not a clear indication that neo liberalism has failed and that the fre market is only concerned with creating oligarchs?

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah, clearly not angry

Start the revolution Citizen Smith

I'm all for taxing the Billionaires

Workers rights? We have better workers rights than ever before. Break that down for me, and don't say more money

Stricter regulations of industrial sectors? H&S Better working conditions, pollution, and how will it benefit the man on the street in his pocket

Vital services being Nationalised, like the NHS and the public sector, but other industries like? trains/buses/energy..... The government has shown for many years that it can't work with what it has, if the brought it back to itself what guarantees are there to say it would be better? We the tax payer would be paying out more money to facilitate the shite show they would no doubt deliver

I see the world in front of me in what I can control as best I can, family first, making them secure.. Try it, it'll stop your head from exploding 

[Hand of God]

Yeah, clearly not angry

Start the revolution Citizen Smith

I'm all for taxing the Billionaires

Workers rights? We have better workers rights than ever before. Break that down for me, and don't say more money

Stricter regulations of industrial sectors? H&S Better working conditions, pollution, and how will it benefit the man on the street in his pocket

Vital services being Nationalised, like the NHS and the public sector, but other industries like? trains/buses/energy..... The government has shown for many years that it can't work with what it has, if the brought it back to itself what guarantees are there to say it would be better? We the tax payer would be paying out more money to facilitate the shite show they would no doubt deliver

I see the world in front of me in what I can control as best I can, family first, making them secure.. Try it, it'll stop your head from exploding 

I'm not angry. Just pointing out you are talking rubbish. I don't have to resort to insults or name calling here, I just need to deliver my points.

First of all, your entry in here was to have a go at someone who suggested taxing the billionaires so don't be dishonest here. You are not all for taxing billionaires more. You're opposed to it or else you were just being a contrarian for no reason.

Workers rights in these large conglomerates are not supported. You are clearly not very knowledgeable here, maybe have a check on how well the likes of Amazon, Apple etc treat their workers - all while these companies amass huge profits. Have a look at transport in the UK where train lines hiked their prices up on customers, recorded record profits but wouldn't give their staff anywhere near a reasonable pay increase in line with inflation.

You looking forward to moving from the NHS to being priced out of life changing or life saving healthcare? The fact you think that healthcare should be offered to only those that afford it is quite telling in what we are dealing with here.

The govt in the UK have been neo liberal/neo conservative for the past 30 years which are obsessed with the free market. They are the ones responsible for all the failings in public services because their approach has been to run them down, fail to invest and then sell off to private sector to then gouge and price ordinary people out of vital services and care. They are the ones responsible for deregulation.

You're actually advocating stronger neo liberal policies to make up for the failure of neo liberalism in the past 30 years. It's just beyond brainless. You don't seem to understand what we're talking about and that's a large problem on why the world is where it is right now.

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah, clearly not angry

Start the revolution Citizen Smith

I'm all for taxing the Billionaires

Workers rights? We have better workers rights than ever before. Break that down for me, and don't say more money

Stricter regulations of industrial sectors? H&S Better working conditions, pollution, and how will it benefit the man on the street in his pocket

Vital services being Nationalised, like the NHS and the public sector, but other industries like? trains/buses/energy..... The government has shown for many years that it can't work with what it has, if the brought it back to itself what guarantees are there to say it would be better? We the tax payer would be paying out more money to facilitate the shite show they would no doubt deliver

I see the world in front of me in what I can control as best I can, family first, making them secure.. Try it, it'll stop your head from exploding 

I'm not angry. Just pointing out you are talking rubbish. I don't have to resort to insults or name calling here, I just need to deliver my points.

First of all, your entry in here was to have a go at someone who suggested taxing the billionaires so don't be dishonest here. You are not all for taxing billionaires more. You're opposed to it or else you were just being a contrarian for no reason.

Workers rights in these large conglomerates are not supported. You are clearly not very knowledgeable here, maybe have a check on how well the likes of Amazon, Apple etc treat their workers - all while these companies amass huge profits. Have a look at transport in the UK where train lines hiked their prices up on customers, recorded record profits but wouldn't give their staff anywhere near a reasonable pay increase in line with inflation.

You looking forward to moving from the NHS to being priced out of life changing or life saving healthcare? The fact you think that healthcare should be offered to only those that afford it is quite telling in what we are dealing with here.

The govt in the UK have been neo liberal/neo conservative for the past 30 years which are obsessed with the free market. They are the ones responsible for all the failings in public services because their approach has been to run them down, fail to invest and then sell off to private sector to then gouge and price ordinary people out of vital services and care. They are the ones responsible for deregulation.

You're actually advocating stronger neo liberal policies to make up for the failure of neo liberalism in the past 30 years. It's just beyond brainless. You don't seem to understand what we're talking about and that's a large problem on why the world is where it is right now.

Here's the thing you have as much influence in the day to day of running a country than my two dogs..

Here's what I advocate, get a job and get out of the house

If I apply for a job in Amazon, that's on me, same for any of the large conglomerates, going in thinking you'll end up as the next Jeff Bezo's isn't happening..

I do look at prices in the UK for trains and buses, even if it wasn't owned privately you are still getting charged, as the tax will go up to pay for that, so don't think your won't be getting gouged, always getting gouged by someone, then you'll have more people that will be working Public sector and we know how lazy them cnuts can be..

(side note, Liverpool buses are 2 quid for all trips, amazing government help subsidy)

The NHS is screwed, and even with all the government money available its still got years and years of waiting lists, the Irish version give grants through PRSI to get certain medical help, that helps pay for things, on the other hand we have a waiting list that they actually hope people will die off before they have to carry out anything. so, stay fit eat well

And I never said not to tax billionaires, if I did, put it up 

As I've said before give your head a rest, prioritise the important things

[93-DY-SAM]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

[Armagh18]

100% tax on anything over a billion. How the f**k anyone needs more than that while millions upon millions world wide don't have basics I don't know.

[bennydorano]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/07/starmer-trails-reform-uk-greens-poll/
Labour has fallen to fourth in a new opinion poll – putting the party on track for its worst election result in more than a century.
Support for Sir Keir Starmer's party in the poll of 2,717 adults has slumped to 15 per cent- behind Reform UK, the Greens and the Conservatives.
It is the latest in a string of polls which have put Labour behind the Greens since Zack Polanski was elected leader of that party in September.
Last week the party overtook Labour for the first time in a survey by the same company which placed them on 17 per cent, a point ahead of Sir Keir and Ms Badenoch's parties which were tied on 16 per cent each.

Polls are pretty meaningless at this stage in the cycle as the next UK General Election is not legally required until August 2029. They'll not go a day before it to give themselves a chance to right the ship - unless events dictate otherwise.

The next UK Election results could be mayhem, I really think the Tories are finished and Reform are peaking too soon - which is why right wing rags/ twitter bots will be doing their utmost to bring Labour down asap. A coalition government of some sort would be very likely imo.

[Hand of God]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

[Milltown Row2]

Early life: Bezos was born to a 17-year-old mother and her teenage husband, and his parents divorced when he was young. His biological father was a unicyclist.
Supportive family: After his mother remarried Miguel "Mike" Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who adopted and raised Jeff, his family supported him through his education and later through his endeavors.

I'd say less riches that the other crew..

[trileacman]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

Musk was born into a moderate degree of wealth but you're wrong about Bezos, his mother was a secretary who gave birth at 16. He was raised by her and her 2nd husband Miguel Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who had fled Communist Cuba. Say what you like about him but Bezos came from a family who dragged themselves up from nothing.

[Hand of God]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

Musk was born into a moderate degree of wealth but you're wrong about Bezos, his mother was a secretary who gave birth at 16. He was raised by her and her 2nd husband Miguel Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who had fled Communist Cuba. Say what you like about him but Bezos came from a family who dragged themselves up from nothing.

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

[Tony Baloney]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

Musk was born into a moderate degree of wealth but you're wrong about Bezos, his mother was a secretary who gave birth at 16. He was raised by her and her 2nd husband Miguel Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who had fled Communist Cuba. Say what you like about him but Bezos came from a family who dragged themselves up from nothing.

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Give 250k to the population and 99.999999*% aren't turning it into 200 billion.

[Milltown Row2]

Then you must have the link were he gave him the money to start up?

[Hand of God]

Take Musk as an example. Just agreed an extraordinary $1tn pay deal. That's obscene in anyone's eyes, regardless of your leaning. And much of this is based on targets around increasing Tesla's automation activities, so taking jobs from people. Instead of circulating the wealth through the population, it's concentrating it on a scale never seen before in the hands of one.

The notion that these guys deserve their money and are where they are as they took risks and were innovators etc is preposterous. Musk, Bezos, Trump etc were all born into riches.

They don't create employment for anyone's benefit other than their own. They have a hugely negative impact on society.

Musk was born into a moderate degree of wealth but you're wrong about Bezos, his mother was a secretary who gave birth at 16. He was raised by her and her 2nd husband Miguel Bezos, a Cuban immigrant who had fled Communist Cuba. Say what you like about him but Bezos came from a family who dragged themselves up from nothing.

Moderate wealth? Musk was funded by an emerald mine. Bezos was given a 250k loan by his mother to start Amazon 30 years ago. About 500k in today's money....maybe your folks can lend you 500k but that was never an option for me or 90% of the population. Bezos grandfather had 25,000 acres of land ffs. Trying to portray a mother who is able and willing to invest today's equivalent of 500k in today's money in her son's business is some reach.

Are you the Earl of Trillick?

Give 250k to the population and 99.999999*% aren't turning it into 200 billion.

What's your point. Most people probably aren't narcissistic like Bezos.