Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Milltown Row2]

A technical/procedural question. If a player commits a black card infraction, ref gives a free, player gets up and takes a quick free. The ref allows the quick free but waits for play to stop again before giving the offender a black card, can a ref do this?

Could be a tricky one, obviously you dont want a team to lose the chance of a quick free/solo and go especially if it leads to a scoring chance, but what if the player who should have been black carded ends up making a goal line block at the end of that play?

That's the ref's discretion with regards to allowing the play to continue after a black card offence.

Most ref's will deal with black, yellows or reds immediately as it can lead unfortunately to something else

Been plenty of games that black cards are given after a play when a linesman informs the ref that a black card offence has happened and the ref issues a black card, that player could have been involved in a goal line clearance before the ref was alerted

[EoinW]

"Traditional rules "?
How long does a rule have to be in operation before it becomes a traditional rule?
"Kerry could not dominate under traditional rules"....
38 All Irelands before the FRC...
Two 4 in a rows, don't know how many 3 in a rows.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me. A healthy debate is a good thing.  However do not deliberately take me out of context.  I don't need anyone misrepresenting what I wrote to prove me wrong.  I can do that all by myself.

[EoinW]

The flip side that you're speaking of Eoin, isn't  "Kerry". It was every school, club and county team in Ireland. It wasn't possible to play positive, front-foot football under the old rules until legs got tired. Any attempt to do so, ended in failure. Possession was too hard to regain, and the "all out attack" team always entered the final quarter with nothing left in the tank, and nowhere near the scores on the board to compensate.

I reckon you should desist from trying to make this about Kerry. The new rules aren't and never were about Kerry. They were about positive play and attacking variety. Kerry have always been able to adapt quicker than anyone else to changes in how football is played, and this season they'd the bonus of having the Cliffords. So it's no surprise that they were first out of blocks.

The real outcome of the rules though, we won't know for another season or two. The gap is unlikely to increase. Everyone else just takes a little longer to work things out.

Why didn't they introduce these rule changes at the school level?  An entire generation of players could have grown up with them.  Once those players were old enough, the transition at the Senior level would then have been seamless.

Instead we got this "shot in the dark" overhaul which has divided football fans.

[thewobbler]

It hasn't divided fans.

I promise you, it hasn't.

[AustinPowers]

The flip side that you're speaking of Eoin, isn't  "Kerry". It was every school, club and county team in Ireland. It wasn't possible to play positive, front-foot football under the old rules until legs got tired. Any attempt to do so, ended in failure. Possession was too hard to regain, and the "all out attack" team always entered the final quarter with nothing left in the tank, and nowhere near the scores on the board to compensate.

I reckon you should desist from trying to make this about Kerry. The new rules aren't and never were about Kerry. They were about positive play and attacking variety. Kerry have always been able to adapt quicker than anyone else to changes in how football is played, and this season they'd the bonus of having the Cliffords. So it's no surprise that they were first out of blocks.

The real outcome of the rules though, we won't know for another season or two. The gap is unlikely to increase. Everyone else just takes a little longer to work things out.

Why didn't they introduce these rule changes at the school level?  An entire generation of players could have grown up with them.  Once those players were old enough, the transition at the Senior level would then have been seamless.

Instead we got this "shot in the dark" overhaul which has divided football fans.

Divided indeed.

Yet strangely, I haven't heard any pundit  criticise any of the rules. How many would you have, maybe  25-30  between the  BBC and RTE... And  from what I've seen all year, none of them  have  a problem with any  rule? 

You've seen the split on the survey  here, around 50/50 give  or take a few percent.  Yet all pundits seemingly in favour of them all (the TV pundits anyway, I don't  tune in to those podcast shows. Maybe  they're different?)

[AustinPowers]

It hasn't divided fans.

I promise you, it hasn't.

It has

[Milltown Row2]

It hasn't divided fans.

I promise you, it hasn't.

It has

Has it divided the players?

[Rossfan]

The flip side that you're speaking of Eoin, isn't  "Kerry". It was every school, club and county team in Ireland. It wasn't possible to play positive, front-foot football under the old rules until legs got tired. Any attempt to do so, ended in failure. Possession was too hard to regain, and the "all out attack" team always entered the final quarter with nothing left in the tank, and nowhere near the scores on the board to compensate.

I reckon you should desist from trying to make this about Kerry. The new rules aren't and never were about Kerry. They were about positive play and attacking variety. Kerry have always been able to adapt quicker than anyone else to changes in how football is played, and this season they'd the bonus of having the Cliffords. So it's no surprise that they were first out of blocks.

The real outcome of the rules though, we won't know for another season or two. The gap is unlikely to increase. Everyone else just takes a little longer to work things out.

Why didn't they introduce these rule changes at the school level?  An entire generation of players could have grown up with them.  Once those players were old enough, the transition at the Senior level would then have been seamless.

Instead we got this "shot in the dark" overhaul which has divided football fans.

Divided indeed.

Yet strangely, I haven't heard any pundit  criticise any of the rules. How many would you have, maybe  25-30  between the  BBC and RTE... And  from what I've seen all year, none of them  have  a problem with any  rule? 

You've seen the split on the survey  here, around 50/50 give  or take a few percent.  Yet all pundits seemingly in favour of them all (the TV pundits anyway, I don't  tune in to those podcast shows. Maybe  they're different?)

The flip side that you're speaking of Eoin, isn't  "Kerry". It was every school, club and county team in Ireland. It wasn't possible to play positive, front-foot football under the old rules until legs got tired. Any attempt to do so, ended in failure. Possession was too hard to regain, and the "all out attack" team always entered the final quarter with nothing left in the tank, and nowhere near the scores on the board to compensate.

I reckon you should desist from trying to make this about Kerry. The new rules aren't and never were about Kerry. They were about positive play and attacking variety. Kerry have always been able to adapt quicker than anyone else to changes in how football is played, and this season they'd the bonus of having the Cliffords. So it's no surprise that they were first out of blocks.

The real outcome of the rules though, we won't know for another season or two. The gap is unlikely to increase. Everyone else just takes a little longer to work things out.

Why didn't they introduce these rule changes at the school level?  An entire generation of players could have grown up with them.  Once those players were old enough, the transition at the Senior level would then have been seamless.

Instead we got this "shot in the dark" overhaul which has divided football fans.

Divided indeed.

Yet strangely, I haven't heard any pundit  criticise any of the rules. How many would you have, maybe  25-30  between the  BBC and RTE... And  from what I've seen all year, none of them  have  a problem with any  rule? 

You've seen the split on the survey  here, around 50/50

Is that the poll I put up?
It was 9% to get rid of the new rules😉

[AustinPowers]

The flip side that you're speaking of Eoin, isn't  "Kerry". It was every school, club and county team in Ireland. It wasn't possible to play positive, front-foot football under the old rules until legs got tired. Any attempt to do so, ended in failure. Possession was too hard to regain, and the "all out attack" team always entered the final quarter with nothing left in the tank, and nowhere near the scores on the board to compensate.

I reckon you should desist from trying to make this about Kerry. The new rules aren't and never were about Kerry. They were about positive play and attacking variety. Kerry have always been able to adapt quicker than anyone else to changes in how football is played, and this season they'd the bonus of having the Cliffords. So it's no surprise that they were first out of blocks.

The real outcome of the rules though, we won't know for another season or two. The gap is unlikely to increase. Everyone else just takes a little longer to work things out.

Why didn't they introduce these rule changes at the school level?  An entire generation of players could have grown up with them.  Once those players were old enough, the transition at the Senior level would then have been seamless.

Instead we got this "shot in the dark" overhaul which has divided football fans.

Divided indeed.

Yet strangely, I haven't heard any pundit  criticise any of the rules. How many would you have, maybe  25-30  between the  BBC and RTE... And  from what I've seen all year, none of them  have  a problem with any  rule? 

You've seen the split on the survey  here, around 50/50 give  or take a few percent.  Yet all pundits seemingly in favour of them all (the TV pundits anyway, I don't  tune in to those podcast shows. Maybe  they're different?)

The flip side that you're speaking of Eoin, isn't  "Kerry". It was every school, club and county team in Ireland. It wasn't possible to play positive, front-foot football under the old rules until legs got tired. Any attempt to do so, ended in failure. Possession was too hard to regain, and the "all out attack" team always entered the final quarter with nothing left in the tank, and nowhere near the scores on the board to compensate.

I reckon you should desist from trying to make this about Kerry. The new rules aren't and never were about Kerry. They were about positive play and attacking variety. Kerry have always been able to adapt quicker than anyone else to changes in how football is played, and this season they'd the bonus of having the Cliffords. So it's no surprise that they were first out of blocks.

The real outcome of the rules though, we won't know for another season or two. The gap is unlikely to increase. Everyone else just takes a little longer to work things out.

Why didn't they introduce these rule changes at the school level?  An entire generation of players could have grown up with them.  Once those players were old enough, the transition at the Senior level would then have been seamless.

Instead we got this "shot in the dark" overhaul which has divided football fans.

Divided indeed.

Yet strangely, I haven't heard any pundit  criticise any of the rules. How many would you have, maybe  25-30  between the  BBC and RTE... And  from what I've seen all year, none of them  have  a problem with any  rule? 

You've seen the split on the survey  here, around 50/50

Is that the poll I put up?
It was 9% to get rid of the new rules😉

And only 13% to retain all  of them

[Armagh18]

It hasn't divided fans.

I promise you, it hasn't.

You can't possibly know that.

[Rossfan]

I can only apeak for myself but I haven't met any fan, player or GAA official who wants to go back to pre FRC football.
A lot of them wouldn't be in favour of all the "enhancements" but no one that I spoke to wants to go back.

[onefineday]

"Traditional rules "?
How long does a rule have to be in operation before it becomes a traditional rule?
"Kerry could not dominate under traditional rules"....
38 All Irelands before the FRC...
Two 4 in a rows, don't know how many 3 in a rows.

If 38 All-Ireland was Kerry not dominating under the traditional rules, Christ knows how many Sams they would have if they had been able to dominate under the old rules.

I especially love the notion that the FRC were rewriting the rules to suit Kerry.

The only thing I'm wondering is how Kerry managed to get so many secret lovers of Kerry football from Ulster, Leinster and Connacht plus Colm Collins of Clare (who has proably suffered more than most coming up against against Kerry in the Muster Championship so often ) on the FRC to draft the Kerry friendly rules.

The rules and the way the game is played have changed massively over the last 150 odd years. The examiner has a podcast 'the history of football' which I highly recommend to anyone with an interest in the evolution of the game.
It's been a while since I listened to it now, but for example, even up until the 50's it was common for players to dribble the ball soccer style as opposed to soloing the ball.

So the truth is that traditional rules are difficult to define and Kerry have adapted to whatever has been thrown in front of them because they have the numbers and the tradition of being the best, and that each new generation grasps that torch and works to ensure they're not the guys who come up short and allow the county to fall from grace.

[thewobbler]

It hasn't divided fans.

I promise you, it hasn't.

You can't possibly know that.

Not unequivocally, no.

But I do believe that the only way anyone could believe that the rules are dividing fans is if every time they hear a murmur like "2 pointers provide too much advantage for attackers", "50m for dissent is too much of a punishment", "3 back is too hard to police", they ignore the general sentiment from the complainer, which is - almost without fail - along the lines of "but I still prefer the new rules, old football was horrible".

I've yet to meet a person in the real world who thinks differently.

If it's "divided", the weighting I believe is somewhere between 90% and 95% in favour. That's not "divided".

[AustinPowers]

I can only apeak for myself but I haven't met any fan, player or GAA official who wants to go back to pre FRC football.
A lot of them wouldn't be in favour of all the "enhancements" but no one that I spoke to wants to go back.

There's a  world of difference  from going back to  pre-FRC  football and wanting ALL the rules  adapted.

Ive said before that  the tap and go rule has been  good. So  technically, I suppose that means  I "don't want to go back to pre-FRC Football". But that's all I'm  in favour of.  Some people, yourself included, seem to focus on the % of voters  who ticked "scrap them all"  in the poll, as though that proves "nobody wants to go back " . When all it could mean (poll isn't specific enough)  is that they like maybe one  or two rules.

From speaking to many people  on the rules , I think the tap n go has  been the most liked.  The  likes of 3 up, 2 pointer  , 1v1,   handing ball  back , some hate them, others don't mind them. So in my experience,  that's divided.

[Rossfan]

Anyway we can take it some,most, all, or all with tweaks, of the "enhancements" will be passed.
Will they propose any new ones based on current trials?
If so will they be for a 1 year trial?