The far right

[Milltown Row2]

Give me the PSIN over the RUC every day of the week

Some here must have very short memories on how the RUC B Specials and UDR plus the Army acted during the troubles

It's not perfect but I'm happier to be living now in comparison to the crowd before

You do know the Police Ombudsman's office has cited instances where the PSNI withheld information, including material relevant to investigations into loyalist killings.
In some cases, information that police previously stated did not exist was later found, particularly during civil proceedings related to these killings...
They arrested two journalists who exposed the murderers involved in Loughinisland rather than go after the killers.
A do-righty attitude isn't sufficient. ..at least they're not killing us now, they're just blocking the truth getting out.
Many more examples, no attempt to stop those bonfires, arresting a pensioner for putting an anti-Israeli sticker on a banklink. Has gone back to that sectarian police force as the recruitment numbers show.

Where would you like me to start? From randomly firing into divis tower killing kids to opening up indiscriminately at Ballymurphy killing innocent people to collusion on an industrial level resulting in innocent deaths and shoot to kill policy?

Like I said it's not perfect but a hell of a lot better.

What age would you be?

[Truthsayer]

Give me the PSIN over the RUC every day of the week

Some here must have very short memories on how the RUC B Specials and UDR plus the Army acted during the troubles

It's not perfect but I'm happier to be living now in comparison to the crowd before

You do know the Police Ombudsman's office has cited instances where the PSNI withheld information, including material relevant to investigations into loyalist killings.
In some cases, information that police previously stated did not exist was later found, particularly during civil proceedings related to these killings...
They arrested two journalists who exposed the murderers involved in Loughinisland rather than go after the killers.
A do-righty attitude isn't sufficient. ..at least they're not killing us now, they're just blocking the truth getting out.
Many more examples, no attempt to stop those bonfires, arresting a pensioner for putting an anti-Israeli sticker on a banklink. Has gone back to that sectarian police force as the recruitment numbers show.

Where would you like me to start? From randomly firing into divis tower killing kids to opening up indiscriminately at Ballymurphy killing innocent people to collusion on an industrial level resulting in innocent deaths and shoot to kill policy?

Like I said it's not perfect but a hell of a lot better.

What age would you be?

A lot better is nowhere near good enough. We need a fair impartial police force that is not going to cover up and continue to block investigation into murders of people who would still be alive.
'Not perfect' is putting it mildly.
I remember the worst of the RUC and we won't be settling for a 'do rightly' police force. Abscence of violence is not justice. Ask some of the families who are being denied the truth by the PSNI about the murders of their loved ones how they feel about an at least it's a better police force.
Policing here is not impartial and we are entitled to that.

[Rossfan]

From where would you recruit impartial police?

[Truthsayer]

From where would you recruit impartial police?

The old RUC guard remained at the top of the PSNI with the same sectarian mindset and directions. Example the arrest of two journalists who exposed the Loughinisland loyalist murderers.
Impartial policing from the top would have created an impartial recruitment and mentality. No point a decent person joining a police force being ordered to behave impartially. Is now back to 17% recruitment from the nationalist community... I wonder why 🤷�♂️

[DaleCooper]

Nothing to do with murder of Ronan Kerr, general lazy antipathy "ah sure it won't or hasn't changed".

[Milltown Row2]

From where would you recruit impartial police?

The old RUC guard remained at the top of the PSNI with the same sectarian mindset and directions. Example the arrest of two journalists who exposed the Loughinisland loyalist murderers.
Impartial policing from the top would have created an impartial recruitment and mentality. No point a decent person joining a police force being ordered to behave impartially. Is now back to 17% recruitment from the nationalist community... I wonder why 🤷�♂️

Look if you feel policing is as bad as was during the troubles then your head is stuck in the sand and no different to the knuckle dragging orange order/PUL community.

Simply put, it's not perfect, it won't be, changing a hundreds of years police force was never going to happen in 30 years, will take many generations before it becomes normal like the London Met, I'm joking as the London Met is as bad.

Police forces around the world are not perfect so I'm not sure the level of perfection equality you think is going to happen..

As for recruitment from the nationalist background, not surprising either, what nationalists would want to alienate themselves from their family and friends to become a police officer, must be the worst job out. Threats still directed by dissidents too, so it's a no brainier

Looking at social media and you can still see the hatred between the two sides, it's vile, and a fair amount of them grew up without the troubles.

[Truthsayer]

From where would you recruit impartial police?

The old RUC guard remained at the top of the PSNI with the same sectarian mindset and directions. Example the arrest of two journalists who exposed the Loughinisland loyalist murderers.
Impartial policing from the top would have created an impartial recruitment and mentality. No point a decent person joining a police force being ordered to behave impartially. Is now back to 17% recruitment from the nationalist community... I wonder why 🤷�♂️

Look if you feel policing is as bad as was during the troubles then your head is stuck in the sand and no different to the knuckle dragging orange order/PUL community.

Simply put, it's not perfect, it won't be, changing a hundreds of years police force was never going to happen in 30 years, will take many generations before it becomes normal like the London Met, I'm joking as the London Met is as bad.

Police forces around the world are not perfect so I'm not sure the level of perfection equality you think is going to happen..

As for recruitment from the nationalist background, not surprising either, what nationalists would want to alienate themselves from their family and friends to become a police officer, must be the worst job out. Threats still directed by dissidents too, so it's a no brainier

Looking at social media and you can still see the hatred between the two sides, it's vile, and a fair amount of them grew up without the troubles.

If that's your level of debate - a do-rightly police force blocking investigation into the loyalist murders of Catholics... you are obviously happy to have your neck under their Unionist boot.
Tell those families ah sure it's better than it was..

[DaleCooper]

Who would want to be in the police.

Ive long thought there should be a lottery akin to jury/national service, pending passing various tests.

As the video circulating of the female police officer getting punched demonstrates, it isnt for everyone.

[Milltown Row2]

From where would you recruit impartial police?

The old RUC guard remained at the top of the PSNI with the same sectarian mindset and directions. Example the arrest of two journalists who exposed the Loughinisland loyalist murderers.
Impartial policing from the top would have created an impartial recruitment and mentality. No point a decent person joining a police force being ordered to behave impartially. Is now back to 17% recruitment from the nationalist community... I wonder why 🤷�♂️

Look if you feel policing is as bad as was during the troubles then your head is stuck in the sand and no different to the knuckle dragging orange order/PUL community.

Simply put, it's not perfect, it won't be, changing a hundreds of years police force was never going to happen in 30 years, will take many generations before it becomes normal like the London Met, I'm joking as the London Met is as bad.

Police forces around the world are not perfect so I'm not sure the level of perfection equality you think is going to happen..

As for recruitment from the nationalist background, not surprising either, what nationalists would want to alienate themselves from their family and friends to become a police officer, must be the worst job out. Threats still directed by dissidents too, so it's a no brainier

Looking at social media and you can still see the hatred between the two sides, it's vile, and a fair amount of them grew up without the troubles.

If that's your level of debate - a do-rightly police force blocking investigation into the loyalist murders of Catholics... you are obviously happy to have your neck under their Unionist boot.
Tell those families ah sure it's better than it was..

Alright, humour me, what's your plan, explain how you'll fix it

[johnnycool]

MR2,
  When the PSNI actively do their utmost to withhold information on legacy cases involving Loyalist informants it's hard to say they're really any different to the RUC of old.

If the leadership of the PSNI really wanted to break all ties with the past and the RUC they'd have opened all their records to legal scrutiny but have done everything but.

The British Gov along with the PSNI is proof with the way they're dealing with the Sean Brown murder that deep down we're still second class citizens when it comes to the crunch.

Are they shooting rubber bullets at nationalist kids anymore, probably not, but institutionally they still hold a deep unionist bias.

[RedHand88]

There was a full page advert in the programme on Saturday for the PSNI in Irish.

[DaleCooper]

Yeah but have the PSNI read out the Proclamation on the steps of the GPO yet? Exactly!

[Milltown Row2]

MR2,
  When the PSNI actively do their utmost to withhold information on legacy cases involving Loyalist informants it's hard to say they're really any different to the RUC of old.

If the leadership of the PSNI really wanted to break all ties with the past and the RUC they'd have opened all their records to legal scrutiny but have done everything but.

The British Gov along with the PSNI is proof with the way they're dealing with the Sean Brown murder that deep down we're still second class citizens when it comes to the crunch.

Are they shooting rubber bullets at nationalist kids anymore, probably not, but institutionally they still hold a deep unionist bias.

I'm not saying it's perfect (multiple times I've said this) and legacy issues are and will be unfortunately very difficult to address, I've made my view on how to deal with legacy issues.

For me it's down to the government to address that, with powers that outstrip the police reluctance in providing all the information. Again that's going to be more difficult.

My current view is based on how my life and family life is with regards to living in a time of the old RUC and what I'm currently dealing with.

It's night and day, no raids, no shootings, industrial collusion, blatant bias and so many other things that happen.

The days of getting home 4 hours later after a game up the country involved being stopped and held for few hours are gone.

I listen like most to Sean Brown's wife and daughter on what they are dealing with since that time. Looking for answers and reason why.. I hope they get it, every unsolved murder needs to have closure too.

So give me the current set up to the last set up. But don't expect a institutionalised set up to change quickly.

As I've asked earlier I'd like to hear how it could be fixed but give me an actual thought out plan.

I'd never encourage anyone to join the police while the threat of dissidents or families having threats over their kid joining and so on.. how do you make it impartial?

[red hander]

There was a full page advert in the programme on Saturday for the PSNI in Irish.

You'd think they'd get the message by now that nationalists want nothing to do with the useless shower of bastards. They have proven themselves to be just the RUC in a different uniform.

[DaleCooper]

There was a full page advert in the programme on Saturday for the PSNI in Irish.

You'd think they'd get the message by now that nationalists want nothing to do with the useless shower of bastards. They have proven themselves to be just the RUC in a different uniform.

Citation required