A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Rossfan]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

[From the Bunker]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

[Truthsayer]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

[From the Bunker]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

[Rossfan]

Define "mass immigration"

[Truthsayer]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

So you can't explain what you mean by "open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems".?
Give us specific examples of these cultural, social and demographic  problems...
sounds serious so tell us please...

[armaghniac]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

So you can't explain what you mean by "open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems".?
Give us specific examples of these cultural, social and demographic  problems...
sounds serious so tell us please...

It is ridiculous when people pretend that it isn't bleeding obvious that things like housing are placed under pressure by large scale immigration.

[tyrone08]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

So you can't explain what you mean by "open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems".?
Give us specific examples of these cultural, social and demographic  problems...
sounds serious so tell us please...

Housing, hospitals, schools, local services all would be under increased strain if there was an increase of mass immigration. A child could have worked that one out.

Not to mention social issues such as integration with local communities etc.

[Truthsayer]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

So you can't explain what you mean by "open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems".?
Give us specific examples of these cultural, social and demographic  problems...
sounds serious so tell us please...

Housing, hospitals, schools, local services all would be under increased strain if there was an increase of mass immigration. A child could have worked that one out.

Not to mention social issues such as integration with local communities etc.

Vague buzzword rhetoric. For example Dungannon is 10% foreign national and as far as I see local community life is not under threat... GAA, soccer club, religious life and other facilities not under threat. Many are contributing to local work force including our health service, schools are thriving and taking great pride in achievement of all their pupils.
You've just made a far right bark with no specific examples... is most used by loyalists.
As you label yourself 'Tyrone' maybe tell us the problems in Dungannon or other towns here from the many migrants have come in... Moygashel under siege? 🤷

[tyrone08]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

So you can't explain what you mean by "open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems".?
Give us specific examples of these cultural, social and demographic  problems...
sounds serious so tell us please...

Housing, hospitals, schools, local services all would be under increased strain if there was an increase of mass immigration. A child could have worked that one out.

Not to mention social issues such as integration with local communities etc.

Vague buzzword rhetoric. For example Dungannon is 10% foreign national and as far as I see local community life is not under threat... GAA, soccer club, religious life and other facilities not under threat. Many are contributing to local work force including our health service, schools are thriving and taking great pride in achievement of all their pupils.
You've just made a far right bark with no specific examples... is most used by loyalists.
As you label yourself 'Tyrone' maybe tell us the problems in Dungannon or other towns here from the many migrants have come in... Moygashel under siege? 🤷

You ask for examples then you refute to acknowledge them. An offical Northern Ireland Assembly paper back up my examples so take it up with them-

Noting immigration's benefits, a Northern Ireland Assembly paper five years ago warned that it had created additional pressures on maternity services, healthcare, housing and education", though migrants are "young, male and better educated". https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dungannon-providing-better-life-for-many-immigrants-1.3160131

Large-scale migration has not delivered significant growth in GDP per capita, and has increased the strain on our capital stock, from roads and GP surgeries to housing. Migrants from the Middle East, North Africa and Turkey aged 25-64 are almost twice as likely to be economically inactive as someone born in the UK- https://cps.org.uk/media/post/2024/mass-migration-not-delivering-promised-economic-benefits-say-jenrick-and-obrien/

Dungannon is a really good example I am glad you brought it up, its actually 35% of the population are foreign nationals, not the 10% you quoted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungannon#:~:text=In%20the%202021%20Census%2C%20Dungannon,more%20than%20one%20national%20identity).

Housing quality and supply is ridiculous in Dungannon with overcrowding in rental housing due to large increase in foregin workers. The town itself has to be one of the worst for

Here if you are happy with the way things are going good for you but dont try and make out there is no downside to mass immigration when there clearly is.

[Milltown Row2]

So the mass immigration, how can we convince them to vote for a UI? Are the benefits better in the South?   

[Truthsayer]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

So you can't explain what you mean by "open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems".?
Give us specific examples of these cultural, social and demographic  problems...
sounds serious so tell us please...

Housing, hospitals, schools, local services all would be under increased strain if there was an increase of mass immigration. A child could have worked that one out.

Not to mention social issues such as integration with local communities etc.

Vague buzzword rhetoric. For example Dungannon is 10% foreign national and as far as I see local community life is not under threat... GAA, soccer club, religious life and other facilities not under threat. Many are contributing to local work force including our health service, schools are thriving and taking great pride in achievement of all their pupils.
You've just made a far right bark with no specific examples... is most used by loyalists.
As you label yourself 'Tyrone' maybe tell us the problems in Dungannon or other towns here from the many migrants have come in... Moygashel under siege? 🤷

You ask for examples then you refute to acknowledge them. An offical Northern Ireland Assembly paper back up my examples so take it up with them-

Noting immigration's benefits, a Northern Ireland Assembly paper five years ago warned that it had created additional pressures on maternity services, healthcare, housing and education", though migrants are "young, male and better educated". https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dungannon-providing-better-life-for-many-immigrants-1.3160131

Large-scale migration has not delivered significant growth in GDP per capita, and has increased the strain on our capital stock, from roads and GP surgeries to housing. Migrants from the Middle East, North Africa and Turkey aged 25-64 are almost twice as likely to be economically inactive as someone born in the UK- https://cps.org.uk/media/post/2024/mass-migration-not-delivering-promised-economic-benefits-say-jenrick-and-obrien/

Dungannon is a really good example I am glad you brought it up, its actually 35% of the population are foreign nationals, not the 10% you quoted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungannon#:~:text=In%20the%202021%20Census%2C%20Dungannon,more%20than%20one%20national%20identity).

Housing quality and supply is ridiculous in Dungannon with overcrowding in rental housing due to large increase in foregin workers. The town itself has to be one of the worst for

Here if you are happy with the way things are going good for you but dont try and make out there is no downside to mass immigration when there clearly is.

The first article is mostly positive about contribution of migrants... including: "Immigrants have added to the life of Dungannon, says former House of Commons MP Bernadette McAliskey who points out that the 16,000-strong Tyrone town has grown more strongly than anywhere else in Northern Ireland. Immigrants, she says, are not people who come to "steal our jobs, houses, hospital beds and our women".
The second article doesn't refer to Ireland, north or south
And the third is Wikipedia that anyone can post or change. I didn't bother reading it.. not a reliable source 🫣
Probably be best you read the articles before posting them up : )

[Rossfan]

Why the need for foreign workers in Dungannon?
Do the anti foreigner crew want those employment places closed down?
Do they want all the Irish who live and work in foreign Countries to be sent home?
What is "mass immigration" and how many people have to come here for  it to be "mass"?

Back to United Ireland....
Have its proponents put out their model of what sort of new State they envisage.
Real proposals not wooly language of "an inclusive state" but then only for those that no one is protesting about.

[Truthsayer]

Why the need for foreign workers in Dungannon?
Do the anti foreigner crew want those employment places closed down?
Do they want all the Irish who live and work in foreign Countries to be sent home?
What is "mass immigration" and how many people have to come here for  it to be "mass"?

Back to United Ireland....
Have its proponents put out their model of what sort of new State they envisage.
Real proposals not wooly language of "an inclusive state" but then only for those that no one is protesting about.

Why the need for Irish workers in US, Australia, England... ?
Anyway back to a united Ireland..

[tyrone08]

2%.
but then you have smart comments by lads like you (there will be no Irish left) and the "Swedish" tales saying exactly the same things as the 2%.

2% - that is more than I thought - 80,000! Anyway that's their problem (the 2%). Those, give the people with legitimate concerns a bad name.
Sweden is the failed experiment and we should learn from that. Look at what they got right with letting people in and look at what they got wrong. You have to control and filter immigration and open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems.

Explain... because it's lazy soundbites that means nothing without an explanation.

Ah, this is where you try to catch me out and prove I'm a Fascist/Racist/Whatever. I'm sure you're old enough to realise the benefits of immigration and the problems of mass immigration. You don't need some one like me to explain them to you.

So you can't explain what you mean by "open valve will leave us with a lot of cultural, social and demographic problems".?
Give us specific examples of these cultural, social and demographic  problems...
sounds serious so tell us please...

Housing, hospitals, schools, local services all would be under increased strain if there was an increase of mass immigration. A child could have worked that one out.

Not to mention social issues such as integration with local communities etc.

Vague buzzword rhetoric. For example Dungannon is 10% foreign national and as far as I see local community life is not under threat... GAA, soccer club, religious life and other facilities not under threat. Many are contributing to local work force including our health service, schools are thriving and taking great pride in achievement of all their pupils.
You've just made a far right bark with no specific examples... is most used by loyalists.
As you label yourself 'Tyrone' maybe tell us the problems in Dungannon or other towns here from the many migrants have come in... Moygashel under siege? 🤷

You ask for examples then you refute to acknowledge them. An offical Northern Ireland Assembly paper back up my examples so take it up with them-

Noting immigration's benefits, a Northern Ireland Assembly paper five years ago warned that it had created additional pressures on maternity services, healthcare, housing and education", though migrants are "young, male and better educated". https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dungannon-providing-better-life-for-many-immigrants-1.3160131

Large-scale migration has not delivered significant growth in GDP per capita, and has increased the strain on our capital stock, from roads and GP surgeries to housing. Migrants from the Middle East, North Africa and Turkey aged 25-64 are almost twice as likely to be economically inactive as someone born in the UK- https://cps.org.uk/media/post/2024/mass-migration-not-delivering-promised-economic-benefits-say-jenrick-and-obrien/

Dungannon is a really good example I am glad you brought it up, its actually 35% of the population are foreign nationals, not the 10% you quoted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungannon#:~:text=In%20the%202021%20Census%2C%20Dungannon,more%20than%20one%20national%20identity).

Housing quality and supply is ridiculous in Dungannon with overcrowding in rental housing due to large increase in foregin workers. The town itself has to be one of the worst for

Here if you are happy with the way things are going good for you but dont try and make out there is no downside to mass immigration when there clearly is.

The first article is mostly positive about contribution of migrants... including: "Immigrants have added to the life of Dungannon, says former House of Commons MP Bernadette McAliskey who points out that the 16,000-strong Tyrone town has grown more strongly than anywhere else in Northern Ireland. Immigrants, she says, are not people who come to "steal our jobs, houses, hospital beds and our women".
The second article doesn't refer to Ireland, north or south
And the third is Wikipedia that anyone can post or change. I didn't bother reading it.. not a reliable source 🫣
Probably be best you read the articles before posting them up : )

So you admittedly only pick the positives without acknowledging any of the downside statements

Everyone knows that controlled immigration is a positive, its the mass uncontrolled immigration that is the issue.

https://explore.nisra.gov.uk/area-explorer-2021/N10000904/ shows that 30% of Dungannon is forgein nationals so again you are proven wrong, hopefully you find the census data as reliable source.