Armagh v Derry. Group 4

[Armagh18]

Wouldn't think it, he's too busy running after RG. On a serious note, we can run onto the field and bury a man and nothing is done about it. Sure it straight in front of the lineman.I remember a underage game I played in many years ago where players were struck in a row during the game. Anyway it ended up with the county board requesting the name of the offenders. We didn't give it and were throw out. So am suprised the GAA does not ask Armagh to name the offenders.

In all seriousness good luck to the gaa trying to enforce retrospective action again in future when they clearly turned a blind eye to what can only be described as assault to a donegal player.

Cry me a river.

Immature reponse. I personally dont believe any action would make any difference to Armagh's season but I think it is ridiculous that nothing is being done here. It was assault in broad daylight. I dont believe its a conspiracy that Burns isnt looking into it just because its Armagh. But it does make you wonder where his priorities lie

Is Burns expected to personally over see all cases of rows at games?

Possibly not - but he did take it on himself previously to get involved in a case of alleged wrongdoing, whereas in this case there was obvious televised assault which you could argue tarnishes the reputation of the organisation. Why should he not get involved this time to call out how unacceptable this is?

It's absolutely ridiculous that nothing has been done about this. As someone else said, if it's not clear how the players were the counties should be asked for their names, and should be kicked out if they refuse to comply. As it is now, its ok for subs to run on and deck someone if they don't like what they're doing on the pitch.

As I understand it's a fine only for Armagh. No idea about Donegal.

That said surely the obvious answer to your first point is he shouldn't have gotten involved in RG and to get involved here would be to undermine a quasi independent body within the association.

On the second point there are admittedly very restrictive procedures in place to deal with these. Following those procedures the appropriate body made a ruling. If that determination is unpopular then the appropriate response is to petition club reps to change those procedures in the correct manner. It's not for the President to get involved on an ad hoc basis.

I hadn't actually realised there had been a fine issued - at least that's something.
Fully agree with you on what you said here though. He shouldn't have go involved in the first instance, but once he did he set himself up for scrutiny for his response on issues around assault, breaking the law or even allegations.

So you're right, JB shouldn't get involved in an adhoc basis, but that is what he's done previously. Now when he doesnt get involved I think its fair to ask the question as to why....and in this case the obvious question is around his allegiances to his home county. It taints him with nepotism that he hasn't condemned the actions which break the rules. He can do that without getting involved in the process directly and that would have been more in line with the standard he has set himself.

For what its worth, if the Donegal player said the things he's supposed to have said then it's disgusting. But that too should be handled through the appropriate process and condemned.

There's no place for, reason for, or excuse for any player running onto a pitch to attack another player and manys a player has had very long bans for doing likewise.

Obviously I'm not privy to the presidents thoughts but I do think though we have to consider a number of factors which may relevant to his non engagement on this.

Firstly this was until this morning (and possibly may still be an active disciplinary matter. He may not wish to be drawn in to comment until it's resolved.

Secondly RG was a safeguarding issue which is different from that.

Finally he may be once bitten twice shy about being publicly vocal again. Particularly given the ongoing legal action.

All that said. If he were to comment on future matters serious questions would have to be asked.

Yeah would agree with all that

[tyrone08]

The whole thing is very strange. The red card given to the Cork player in the extra time game against Kerry has been upheld. FFS it was at most a yellow however CCCC has upheld it and the player now misses a game.

Make it up as you go along.

I think that actually demonstrates consistency and adherence to precedence. I've been involved in these hearings where the relevant committee has concluded that whilst they didn't support the red card it was within the discretion of the referee. The question in effect being could the referee have awarded a red not should the referee have awarded one. Such an approach upholds the integrity of the referees decision and prevents re refereeing of matches.

But that means the player gets wrongly punished twice. Gets an incorrect red card, then instead of saying ref made a mistake which is fair enough he has to miss another game as they upheld the clearly incorrect call by the ref.

[David McKeown]

The whole thing is very strange. The red card given to the Cork player in the extra time game against Kerry has been upheld. FFS it was at most a yellow however CCCC has upheld it and the player now misses a game.

Make it up as you go along.

I think that actually demonstrates consistency and adherence to precedence. I've been involved in these hearings where the relevant committee has concluded that whilst they didn't support the red card it was within the discretion of the referee. The question in effect being could the referee have awarded a red not should the referee have awarded one. Such an approach upholds the integrity of the referees decision and prevents re refereeing of matches.

But that means the player gets wrongly punished twice. Gets an incorrect red card, then instead of saying ref made a mistake which is fair enough he has to miss another game as they upheld the clearly incorrect call by the ref.

It's not that it's necessarily incorrect. It's recognising that is one that is open to interpretation. Therefore they won't interfere with the referees interpretation unless there is clear evidence that the referees interpretation was outside the range of possible interpretations. There's good reason for such an approach and it's very common across sporting bodies.

[APM]

How is it that the Armagh v Derry thread is polluted by an anorak from Tyrone complaining incessantly about an incident in the Ulster Final

[Wildweasel74]

He spends all his time on the Derry threads anyway.

[bennydorano]

Him and South Dublin Bro have a very very similar polluting style. In the oul days I'd have blamed O'Neill.

[onefineday]

Back to the football sure. 

I reckon this is a tough game for Armagh to begin with.  Pressure is on them to secure a result, as on paper, this is probably the only one were they would be out and out favorites. 

Having beat Derry convincingly twice in the past 12 months, Derry in theory should be chomping at the bit to get at Armagh and try and restore some pride. 

Realistically, it may be the only game where they could secure a result also.  Although its the first of three games, its probably the most important for both.   

 

I'd disagree that this is our best chance of getting a result, I'd be reasonably hopeful we can raise a good performance in Celtic park against our bogey team Galway, which might put the pre-dublin game all Ireland favs almost out of the competition.

It's hard to see us improving to the degree needed to get anything from this Armagh game though, and if we don't, as others have noted, if we lose our first two, the Dublin game is a dead rubber.

[APM]

This game is set up perfectly for Derry. They were far better in the league than their points total showed.

Both of the last two games against Armagh had elements of the ridiculous and unfortunate about them as far as Derry were concerned. Yes Armagh were good, but almost all of the goals they scored across both games were either caused by Derry mistakes or lucky breaks. Plus Derry had sending offs in both games with McGuigan's sending off the the league game being critical.

The teams are a lot closer than people think and that is before you take into account the recent context with Derry waiting in the long grass and Armagh like a (potentially wounded) sitting duck after the Ulster Final defeat.

[illdecide]

This game is set up perfectly for Derry. They were far better in the league than their points total showed.

Both of the last two games against Armagh had elements of the ridiculous and unfortunate about them as far as Derry were concerned. Yes Armagh were good, but almost all of the goals they scored across both games were either caused by Derry mistakes or lucky breaks. Plus Derry had sending offs in both games with McGuigan's sending off the the league game being critical.

The teams are a lot closer than people think and that is before you take into account the recent context with Derry waiting in the long grass and Armagh like a (potentially wounded) sitting duck after the Ulster Final defeat.

That's what I've been saying earlier (if that other shite talk about Donegal game would feck off), Derry have not been pumped by anyone (that i remember). Their games have all been fairly close until last 5-10 mins and that's how i see this game going too, I think Armagh could just pull away in last 5-10 mins and win by 3,4 to 5pts. Derry have a few injury problems of their own and will be missing a few players for Sat nite, Armagh will still be down a few too but from what i gather their making progress in light training.
I expect to see Rian O'Neill getting last 10 mins and bringing him and Soupy on could be the difference along with the home support, I see Armagh getting stronger and stronger the longer they can stay in the Championship so winning this first game is vital. Realistically the loser on Sat nite is sucking a hind tit.

[LC]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4g1g4ev1jo

Did Jarlath get him a ticket for Saturday evening?

[Armagh_Ball]

Will Rian get any game time on Saturday?

[theticklemister]

I don't suppose radio ulster will have the game live?

[naka]

Will Rian get any game time on Saturday?

If he is going to be of benefit to us this season would say he will

[Captain Obvious]

This game is set up perfectly for Derry.

It certainly is, ambush is coming and Armagh need to be ready for it.

[Orior]

After walking into several lamposts, Gordon Lyons will be attending on Saturday.

Bets taken that he arrives after our National Anthem.