NFL Division 1 2025

[Wildweasel74]

Covid run over 2yrs. It's a covid all-Ireland cause you got a game put off cause you couldn't field a team, and we giving Poacher and Leitrim a hard time.

[Truthsayer]

Covid run over 2yrs. It's a covid all-Ireland cause you got a game put off cause you couldn't field a team, and we giving Poacher and Leitrim a hard time.

Kerry had option not to play but thought it was handy warm-up for the final... Tyrone bois smart.. how's that Harte/Tally All Ireland project going?!      

[Armagh18]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.

I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...

Was 2021 Mayos most resounding defeat in a final since 06?

And it was by far the weakest team they played.

Donegal in 2012 whilst not as good as Dublin 5 in a row were a very good side.

That Dublin team just brought the best out in Mayo.

Did the Dubs not tank them in 2020 final? Or was that the '19 semi? Or both?

[larryin89]

Mayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?

Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.

Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.

They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.

Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.

 

It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019

There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.

Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time

We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's  power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .

[Truthsayer]

Can only credit Mayo for coming back and coming back and for all his detractors none more than Aidan O'Shea. They have been so close. Gerry Quarry once fought for a World title and was on the brink of winning and... capitulated. Later said he came to 'the door of destiny' but couldn't go through it. Seems similar mindset in Mayo. They will some day. Would love to see it.
While I was more than happy to see Tyrone win in 2021, I thought Mayo bottled it and did not believe at all. I remember after thinking that was a huge opportunity for them and if I was a Mayo supporter I'd have been furious. Is some story.. Mayo.

[AustinPowers]

Does seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again 

Canavan was there in 05

Tyrone were in  QF/semis for a few years leading up to 2021, so  I suppose they were there or thereabouts.  Once they beat Kerry (I didn't think they would) in the 21 semi , they  had to grab  the chance when it was  there for them. Like Armagh did last year

History tells us  such counties don't get many chances to win the All Ireland, so it has to  be taken when the chance arises.

[Truthsayer]

Does seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again 

Canavan was there in 05

Tyrone were in  QF/semis for a few years leading up to 2021, so  I suppose they were there or thereabouts.  Once they beat Kerry (I didn't think they would) in the 21 semi , they  had to grab  the chance when it was  there for them. Like Armagh did last year

History tells us  such counties don't get many chances to win the All Ireland, so it has to  be taken when the chance arises.

I know Canavan was there in '05.. he scored a goal in the final.. commentators then saying Tyrone would never win an All Ireland without him, among them Martin McHugh... won it 3 years later.
Rest of your comments 100% good analysis

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.

I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...

Was 2021 Mayos most resounding defeat in a final since 06?

And it was by far the weakest team they played.

Donegal in 2012 whilst not as good as Dublin 5 in a row were a very good side.

That Dublin team just brought the best out in Mayo.

Did the Dubs not tank them in 2020 final? Or was that the '19 semi? Or both?

Dublin beat them well in 19.

Don't think 2020 was a hammering they might have got 2 early goals but Mayo competed well.

[From the Bunker]

Tyrone would have probably won more titles if it were not for Armagh being strong rival in Ulster at the time and putting so much effort into the McKenna Cups.

Tyrone won McKenna Cups in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Complete madness going out to win such a competition with an established team. You'd never get Kerry or Dublin doing such a thing.

[AustinPowers]

Tyrone would have probably won more titles if it were not for Armagh being strong rival in Ulster at the time and putting so much effort into the McKenna Cups.

Tyrone won McKenna Cups in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Complete madness going out to win such a competition with an established team. You'd never get Kerry or Dublin doing such a thing.

Well yeah , because Kerry  and Dublin don't play in the McKenna cup 

Mind you,  noR do any Ulster team . This year, anyway

[Manning18]

Mayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?

Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.

Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.

They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.

Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.

 

It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019

There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.

Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time

We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's  power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .

Absolutely nobody had Mayo power ranked over Kerry in those years, as was evidenced as I said by the odds of that time. Kerry went off slight favorites to beat Dublin in the 2015 final. Mayo were never sub 3/1 to beat Dublin in any game throughout that period

You've cherrypicked 2012 there. Kerry hammered Mayo by 9 points in 2011, beat them in 2014 (after replay), Mayo won in 17 (again after replay) and Kerry absolutely devoured Mayo in 2019. So the head to head for that decade feels fairly conclusive in one direction. It's also 1 All Ireland to zero

Kerry were walking provincials and winning league titles while Mayo were staving off relegation, getting beaten by a very average Galway in Connacht in 3 consecutive years, and piddling through the easiest draw possible to get back to a final

It's hilarious you mention referee robbery when Aidan O'Shea had one of the most blatant dives of the decade to rob Fermanagh in a qualifier, while Mayo needed some very questionable decisions to bring Roscommon to ET a year later. Had either of those games been ref'd correctly Mayo wouldn't be even be in this conversation as they'd never have had the opportunity to have their moral victories (losses) against Dublin in the final

[larryin89]

Mayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?

Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.

Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.

They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.

Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.

 

It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019

There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.

Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time

We beat them in 2017 and got robbed in 2014 . We were better than Kerry circa 2012 -2017 in the overall context , most people's  power rankings for them years would have it that way but unfortunately they smash and grabbed one and winners dictate the narrative oh and anti mayo Galway WANs like you of course .

Absolutely nobody had Mayo power ranked over Kerry in those years, as was evidenced as I said by the odds of that time. Kerry went off slight favorites to beat Dublin in the 2015 final. Mayo were never sub 3/1 to beat Dublin in any game throughout that period

You've cherrypicked 2012 there. Kerry hammered Mayo by 9 points in 2011, beat them in 2014 (after replay), Mayo won in 17 (again after replay) and Kerry absolutely devoured Mayo in 2019. So the head to head for that decade feels fairly conclusive in one direction. It's also 1 All Ireland to zero

Kerry were walking provincials and winning league titles while Mayo were staving off relegation, getting beaten by a very average Galway in Connacht in 3 consecutive years, and piddling through the easiest draw possible to get back to a final

It's hilarious you mention referee robbery when Aidan O'Shea had one of the most blatant dives of the decade to rob Fermanagh in a qualifier, while Mayo needed some very questionable decisions to bring Roscommon to ET a year later. Had either of those games been ref'd correctly Mayo wouldn't be even be in this conversation as they'd never have had the opportunity to have their moral victories (losses) against Dublin in the final

2012 to 2017 (hardly cherrypicking ) it was the era when when we won our semi final for the first time since 06 , we won five nestors on the bounce , we contested four all Ireland finals and competed in every single semi final in that said era , 12 beat dubs, 13 beat Tyrone , 14 lost to Cormac Reilly , 15 lost to dubs after a replay, 16 beat tipp , 17 beat Kerry .

All stars in said era .

2012: Ger Cafferkey (Full Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Alan Dillon (Centre-Half Forward).

2013: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Midfield).

2014: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Cillian O'Connor (Right-Corner Forward).

2015: Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Full Forward).

2016: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Brendan Harrison (Right-Corner Back) Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Centre Half Back).

2017: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Chris Barrett (Right-Corner Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Right-Half Back), Aidan O'Shea (Centre-Half Forward), Andy Moran (Left-Corner Forward).

There will be many debates on why and how with all sorts of opinions but yours is just nonsense. It won't ever be what they wanted to be remembered by but that era will never be equalled in the context of the greatest era for a county that didn't collect one . Unbelievable characters of true sporting resilience and we will always be very proud of their efforts in Mayo . 

 

[Truthsayer]

Tyrone would have probably won more titles if it were not for Armagh being strong rival in Ulster at the time and putting so much effort into the McKenna Cups.

Tyrone won McKenna Cups in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Complete madness going out to win such a competition with an established team. You'd never get Kerry or Dublin doing such a thing.

Maybe 1 more but three was decent return for a team never won All Ireland before. Armagh won Ulsters but who cares if you win more All Irelands.
2004 was when captain Cormac McAnallen died which would had huge effect.  They won All Ireland in '05!

[SaffronSports]

We're living in a world where Newcastle won a trophy. Mayo's time will come

[thebigfullforward]

Does seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again 

Canavan was there in 05

Tyrone were in  QF/semis for a few years leading up to 2021, so  I suppose they were there or thereabouts.  Once they beat Kerry (I didn't think they would) in the 21 semi , they  had to grab  the chance when it was  there for them. Like Armagh did last year

History tells us  such counties don't get many chances to win the All Ireland, so it has to  be taken when the chance arises.

Think he's talking about the narratives that were common when Tyrone won their All Irelands mate