All Ireland Club Championships 2024

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Armagh18

Quote from: tonto1888 on November 13, 2024, 09:06:19 PM
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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.
CE had two games at Ulster senior in 2021 so the majority of that team would have had that experience in Ulster. 

There would not have been the level of celebrations in CE this year as they hadn't won a senior in 60 plus years. CE would have been happy with their lot in 2021 too as they were something like 33/1 shots with bookies to win Armagh before the competition started.  Newbridge were in similar boat this year, 35 years without a senior championship and by all accounts went hard on the beer.  First time winners rarely make the grade in Ulster as they have reached the holy grail to an extent by winning their own championship. 

Newbridge preparation was certainly hampered by the celebrations there wouldn't been 3/4 days drinking done ahead of the Magherafelt or Glen games anyway. Did they run out of steam in last 10 minutes? The game was a free hit for Newbridge in a way, I would have thought the decision making would have been more likely to be compromised in Derry county final as Glen were such overwhelming favourites? If your club hasn't won in 35 years the nerves of getting over the line/monkey off your back would be greater than a first round Ulster club game when the outcome is irrelevant to a degree as you have had a great season regardless of result.



CE done a fair amount of celebrating this year also
Without a doubt, especially with who they beat!

How much celebrating would Kilcoo/Scotstown do now after the county final given they've won so many?

ClubScene13

Very little out of Kilcoo from what I'm told, but I'm not from Down I wouldn't know

tonto1888

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2024, 09:10:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 13, 2024, 09:06:19 PM
Quote from: statto on November 13, 2024, 08:16:27 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 09:17:14 PM
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Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
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Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.
CE had two games at Ulster senior in 2021 so the majority of that team would have had that experience in Ulster. 

There would not have been the level of celebrations in CE this year as they hadn't won a senior in 60 plus years. CE would have been happy with their lot in 2021 too as they were something like 33/1 shots with bookies to win Armagh before the competition started.  Newbridge were in similar boat this year, 35 years without a senior championship and by all accounts went hard on the beer.  First time winners rarely make the grade in Ulster as they have reached the holy grail to an extent by winning their own championship. 

Newbridge preparation was certainly hampered by the celebrations there wouldn't been 3/4 days drinking done ahead of the Magherafelt or Glen games anyway. Did they run out of steam in last 10 minutes? The game was a free hit for Newbridge in a way, I would have thought the decision making would have been more likely to be compromised in Derry county final as Glen were such overwhelming favourites? If your club hasn't won in 35 years the nerves of getting over the line/monkey off your back would be greater than a first round Ulster club game when the outcome is irrelevant to a degree as you have had a great season regardless of result.



CE done a fair amount of celebrating this year also
Without a doubt, especially with who they beat!

How much celebrating would Kilcoo/Scotstown do now after the county final given they've won so many?

One of the days they were in the pub with the CnG lads

general_lee

Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 13, 2024, 09:30:01 PMVery little out of Kilcoo from what I'm told, but I'm not from Down I wouldn't know
I've heard likewise. They still fancy themselves for provincial/AI honours so can't imagine them getting too worked up over yet another Down title

SouthOfThe Bann

How does the pub scene work in Lurgan; has each of the 4 clubs their own pubs or do they congregate together?

statto

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2024, 04:08:38 PMHow does the pub scene work in Lurgan; has each of the 4 clubs their own pubs or do they congregate together?
All the clubs have their own social club.  The INF opens the earliest so I would say that is why both teams ended up there. 

AustinPowers

Quote from: general_lee on November 14, 2024, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on November 13, 2024, 09:30:01 PMVery little out of Kilcoo from what I'm told, but I'm not from Down I wouldn't know
I've heard likewise. They still fancy themselves for provincial/AI honours so can't imagine them getting too worked up over yet another Down title

Plus, they've all them  sheep to attend to

Ash Smoker

A fella I know has backed St Lomans to win it outright.
Is he off his head, or have they a chance?

Blowitupref

Quote from: Ash Smoker on November 17, 2024, 07:55:16 PMA fella I know has backed St Lomans to win it outright.
Is he off his head, or have they a chance?

Backed them today after their comfortable win or already had them backed?

St Lomans are currently 8th in the betting to win the All Ireland at 20/1.  Only once in the history has a Westmeath club won Leinster,  Garrycastle, 2011 and they reached the All Ireland final losing after a replay to Crossmaglen Rangers.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Ash Smoker

Quote from: Blowitupref on November 17, 2024, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Ash Smoker on November 17, 2024, 07:55:16 PMA fella I know has backed St Lomans to win it outright.
Is he off his head, or have they a chance?

Backed them today after their comfortable win or already had them backed?

St Lomans are currently 8th in the betting to win the All Ireland at 20/1.  Only once in the history has a Westmeath club won Leinster,  Garrycastle, 2011 and they reached the All Ireland final losing after a replay to Crossmaglen Rangers.
He told me a couple of weeks ago. I thought nothing of it till I saw the score today.
I was wondering was there method to his madness.


WT4E

Quote from: statto on November 14, 2024, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2024, 04:08:38 PMHow does the pub scene work in Lurgan; has each of the 4 clubs their own pubs or do they congregate together?
All the clubs have their own social club.  The INF opens the earliest so I would say that is why both teams ended up there. 

What club owns the:
Courthouse
Beehive
The Vintage
The Cellar

statto

Quote from: WT4E on November 17, 2024, 08:22:44 PM
Quote from: statto on November 14, 2024, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2024, 04:08:38 PMHow does the pub scene work in Lurgan; has each of the 4 clubs their own pubs or do they congregate together?
All the clubs have their own social club.  The INF opens the earliest so I would say that is why both teams ended up there. 

What club owns the:
Courthouse
Beehive
The Vintage
The Cellar
Courthouse and Beehive are owned by same family(as is the Ashburn Hotel and Woodville) who wouldn't really be connected to a GAA club as far as I know.  The Vintage is owned by a Clann Eireann man but is in the town centre away from that area.  The Cellar again no real affiliation with any teams. 


tonto1888

Quote from: statto on November 18, 2024, 08:37:12 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 17, 2024, 08:22:44 PM
Quote from: statto on November 14, 2024, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 14, 2024, 04:08:38 PMHow does the pub scene work in Lurgan; has each of the 4 clubs their own pubs or do they congregate together?
All the clubs have their own social club.  The INF opens the earliest so I would say that is why both teams ended up there. 

What club owns the:
Courthouse
Beehive
The Vintage
The Cellar
Courthouse and Beehive are owned by same family(as is the Ashburn Hotel and Woodville) who wouldn't really be connected to a GAA club as far as I know.  The Vintage is owned by a Clann Eireann man but is in the town centre away from that area.  The Cellar again no real affiliation with any teams. 



one of the McConaghys played for CE. Not sure how involved he is in the family business though. The woodville, y its location alone, would get a lot of CE folk in it but as has been said isnt owned by a club

general_lee

You could argue that Reid's & JPs/Master McGrath are both Clans bars and Batcave a Peter's bar.

tonto1888

Quote from: general_lee on November 18, 2024, 11:23:30 AMYou could argue that Reid's & JPs/Master McGrath are both Clans bars and Batcave a Peter's bar.

Used to work in Reids, or Morgans as it was then, and was always full of clans ones. Well, former players anyway