All Ireland Club Championships 2024

Started by SouthOfThe Bann, July 31, 2024, 10:32:30 AM

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Blowitupref

Great win for Cuala against the All-Ireland champions of a few years ago. Before today Cuala only played in one Dublin final way back in 1988.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: The Trap on October 20, 2024, 04:06:24 PMCan't say that Sam......the game needs fixed into a new game apparently.
I totally agree with you. Super watch. Fitzsimmons is some defender and Con is some forward. Both real competitors and great leaders (don't know what Con did to get sent off?). They had other superb performances as well. Congratulations to them.
What a pass by Mannion too.

Leave the game alone lads. Its not about creating a score fest, needs intensity too and I think a lot of the players wanted to push that point in interviews after the game last night.

Yip I said in another thread it's not the rules are the problem it's management teams. Today we had 2 attacking teams who wanted to go for it, wasn't massive scoring but the intensity and quality was class.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Blowitupref on October 20, 2024, 04:46:06 PMGreat win for Cuala against the All-Ireland champions of a few years ago. Before today Cuala only played in one Dublin final way back in 1988.

It goes to show you if you are whiling to source big sponsors and invest it in developing players - it will reap dividends.

The Trap

That's true Sam. And the competitions. Everyone agrees that the National League in the winter months is a great competition and most knock out championship matches at club and county are decent and you get an odd clinker. And the attendances are great.
It's the mismatches at Provincial level and some unimportant group games that bring the level down and people don't go to.
And then a lot of the club championship games I watch on tv or live are real do or die stuff that mean so much to the players and communities.
Yes there are some bad games but there always will be.
And Jarlath wants to appeal to neutrals. I couldn't care less what neutrals think. When games that matter are on the crowds are there.
And then Jarlath also mentioned the ethos of the GAA and respect for officials. And I can agree with the sentiment of that though enforcement of a 50m penalty may bring a lot of heat on refs.
But what about the real ethos of the GAA, amateurism? Why would you want to put managers on professional contracts?
Surely the drive to make managers professional and change the game completely is too much for the grassroots and will be voted against.

Tubberman

Quote from: The Trap on October 20, 2024, 05:31:15 PMThat's true Sam. And the competitions. Everyone agrees that the National League in the winter months is a great competition and most knock out championship matches at club and county are decent and you get an odd clinker. And the attendances are great.
It's the mismatches at Provincial level and some unimportant group games that bring the level down and people don't go to.
And then a lot of the club championship games I watch on tv or live are real do or die stuff that mean so much to the players and communities.
Yes there are some bad games but there always will be.
And Jarlath wants to appeal to neutrals. I couldn't care less what neutrals think. When games that matter are on the crowds are there.
And then Jarlath also mentioned the ethos of the GAA and respect for officials. And I can agree with the sentiment of that though enforcement of a 50m penalty may bring a lot of heat on refs.
But what about the real ethos of the GAA, amateurism? Why would you want to put managers on professional contracts?
Surely the drive to make managers professional and change the game completely is too much for the grassroots and will be voted against.


Attendances are not great - they're atrocious over the last few years which I would say is directly related to the style of play.
You mightnt give a shite about neutrals, but the GAA better.
If your only concern is the hard-core, you're on the road to nowhere.
The game needs to be appealing to neutrals, kids, parents etc to keep future generations involved.
If you think they'll blindly stay involved out of some sort of loyalty, you're naive.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

Rossfan

Look at the size of crowds at Munster SHC group games.
Maybe they're being entertained.
That will have to stop!
Any neutral or non GAA member trying to get into a game must be ejected immediately.
And no more televised games...allcm sorts of undesirables might start watching tge games.
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

DuffleKing

Quote from: Tubberman on October 20, 2024, 06:38:17 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 20, 2024, 05:31:15 PMThat's true Sam. And the competitions. Everyone agrees that the National League in the winter months is a great competition and most knock out championship matches at club and county are decent and you get an odd clinker. And the attendances are great.
It's the mismatches at Provincial level and some unimportant group games that bring the level down and people don't go to.
And then a lot of the club championship games I watch on tv or live are real do or die stuff that mean so much to the players and communities.
Yes there are some bad games but there always will be.
And Jarlath wants to appeal to neutrals. I couldn't care less what neutrals think. When games that matter are on the crowds are there.
And then Jarlath also mentioned the ethos of the GAA and respect for officials. And I can agree with the sentiment of that though enforcement of a 50m penalty may bring a lot of heat on refs.
But what about the real ethos of the GAA, amateurism? Why would you want to put managers on professional contracts?
Surely the drive to make managers professional and change the game completely is too much for the grassroots and will be voted against.


Attendances are not great - they're atrocious over the last few years which I would say is directly related to the style of play.
You mightnt give a shite about neutrals, but the GAA better.
If your only concern is the hard-core, you're on the road to nowhere.
The game needs to be appealing to neutrals, kids, parents etc to keep future generations involved.
If you think they'll blindly stay involved out of some sort of loyalty, you're naive.

Have you any metrics to support this?

Walter Cronc

Quote from: From the Bunker on October 20, 2024, 05:01:25 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 20, 2024, 04:46:06 PMGreat win for Cuala against the All-Ireland champions of a few years ago. Before today Cuala only played in one Dublin final way back in 1988.

It goes to show you if you are whiling to source big sponsors and invest it in developing players - it will reap dividends.

They've a massive pick do they not? Dun Laoghaire, Dalkey and Killiney?

shark

Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 20, 2024, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 20, 2024, 05:01:25 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 20, 2024, 04:46:06 PMGreat win for Cuala against the All-Ireland champions of a few years ago. Before today Cuala only played in one Dublin final way back in 1988.

It goes to show you if you are whiling to source big sponsors and invest it in developing players - it will reap dividends.

They've a massive pick do they not? Dun Laoghaire, Dalkey and Killiney?

Yeah a huge pick - and would extend further south than Killiney. And obviously plenty of cash as pointed out above. But they are using it on their own (unlike many Dublin clubs have historically done) , and have to spend a ton of money using other clubs facilities as they have very little of their own , and no green grass to develop some.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 20, 2024, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 20, 2024, 05:01:25 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 20, 2024, 04:46:06 PMGreat win for Cuala against the All-Ireland champions of a few years ago. Before today Cuala only played in one Dublin final way back in 1988.

It goes to show you if you are whiling to source big sponsors and invest it in developing players - it will reap dividends.

They've a massive pick do they not? Dun Laoghaire, Dalkey and Killiney?

They have massive money behind them. As do most clubs in Dublin. Which makes it a level playing field.

The Trap

Tubberman what's your involvement in GAA?

The attendances are rubbish? Compared to when?

Crowds at National League games are massive, as they are at a lot of the championship matches. Higher than they ever have been.

And the club championship games are all well attended.

Kids involvement has never been higher, boys and girls. Parent involvement too (sometimes too much lol).

Not everyone really cares that every game is not brilliant. They care about being part of a community, a team, a unique association that binds Irish people together and keeps us all social in this crazy world.

I don't think there are rules that could make every game brilliant but I do agree that one or 2 changes could help.

If neutrals think they can get better entertainment at sports in Ireland or elsewhere then away you go. Name those sports?

Tubberman

Quote from: The Trap on October 20, 2024, 08:34:10 PMTubberman what's your involvement in GAA?

The attendances are rubbish? Compared to when?

Crowds at National League games are massive, as they are at a lot of the championship matches. Higher than they ever have been.

And the club championship games are all well attended.

Kids involvement has never been higher, boys and girls. Parent involvement too (sometimes too much lol).

Not everyone really cares that every game is not brilliant. They care about being part of a community, a team, a unique association that binds Irish people together and keeps us all social in this crazy world.

I don't think there are rules that could make every game brilliant but I do agree that one or 2 changes could help.

If neutrals think they can get better entertainment at sports in Ireland or elsewhere then away you go. Name those sports?

What's your involvement in the GAA? is there a level someone needs to be at before their opinion is worth hearing? If so, what is that level?

Re attendances, the most recent full house in croke park was a URC game between Leinster and Munster.
I'd say the only other games that sold out were the all ireland finals, and no other games came anywhere close.
Apart from the Ulster championship the provincial attendances are ad low as living memory, and Ulster is not as important as Ulster people might like to think.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

DuffleKing

Quote from: Tubberman on October 20, 2024, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 20, 2024, 08:34:10 PMTubberman what's your involvement in GAA?

The attendances are rubbish? Compared to when?

Crowds at National League games are massive, as they are at a lot of the championship matches. Higher than they ever have been.

And the club championship games are all well attended.

Kids involvement has never been higher, boys and girls. Parent involvement too (sometimes too much lol).

Not everyone really cares that every game is not brilliant. They care about being part of a community, a team, a unique association that binds Irish people together and keeps us all social in this crazy world.

I don't think there are rules that could make every game brilliant but I do agree that one or 2 changes could help.

If neutrals think they can get better entertainment at sports in Ireland or elsewhere then away you go. Name those sports?

What's your involvement in the GAA? is there a level someone needs to be at before their opinion is worth hearing? If so, what is that level?

Re attendances, the most recent full house in croke park was a URC game between Leinster and Munster.
I'd say the only other games that sold out were the all ireland finals, and no other games came anywhere close.
Apart from the Ulster championship the provincial attendances are ad low as living memory, and Ulster is not as important as Ulster people might like to think.

No metrics so, just opinion.

The Trap

So you are quoting a rugby match between 2 of the top 4 side in ireland and the all Ireland series. OK then.

How many people go to any other rugby, soccer, basketball etc matches? Are they being wildly entertained.

And in Ulster we are delighted to be part of the GAA.

Truthsayer

Most people aren't going to walk away from their clubs and counties, part of us for a lifetime. But anyone who thinks Gaelic football has been worth watching in recent years is in serious denial and doesn't really care about the game. Of course there have been good games but by and large has been an endurance test we go hoping will improve. Hopefully some of these rules will do that.
Clare player doing keepy-uppys in a championship game ffs!, Cargin-St Brigids 1-0 after 26 mins, two kids marking one lad everyone else in the other half, that Magherafelt game horrendous ... and that's just the talked-about games in recent weeks..