Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

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whitey

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.



PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: AustinPowers on September 27, 2024, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 27, 2024, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 26, 2024, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 26, 2024, 09:17:41 PMMadness.

Putin is portrayed as Hitler reincarnated, yet Netanyahu is doing basically the same and all is good.

Not even close to 'the same' but I get your point about Cuntenyahu. To think that cnut got over 40 standing ovations when he spoke to Congress back in August should tell you something about who runs the game.

Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022-2024

QuoteThe Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 35,160 civilian casualties during Russia's invasion of Ukraine as of July 31, 2024. Of them, 23,640 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.
The Israelis are friends & allies of the west as they are largely part of western culture, they are a bulwark against all sorts of shite in the middle east (imsgined & real), that is why they are feted, not because they're Jews and run the world

what utter shite... Western culture or at least the people do not support genocide and occupation, Israel is the cause of not a bulwark against issues in the middle east. Zionists and their supporters be they Jewish or Christian have a stranglehold over the US and Uk and Germans at least, 3 of them more powerful countries in the world.

Does that  really  matter at the end of the day?  Millions of us  can't,  and  won't , be able to do diddly squat about  Netanyahu and his murderous regime.

apparently not, but we are not friends and allies of Israel and their genocidal ways are not western culture or at least shouldn't be

PadraicHenryPearse

Quote from: bennydorano on September 27, 2024, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 27, 2024, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 26, 2024, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 26, 2024, 09:17:41 PMMadness.

Putin is portrayed as Hitler reincarnated, yet Netanyahu is doing basically the same and all is good.

Not even close to 'the same' but I get your point about Cuntenyahu. To think that cnut got over 40 standing ovations when he spoke to Congress back in August should tell you something about who runs the game.

Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022-2024

QuoteThe Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 35,160 civilian casualties during Russia's invasion of Ukraine as of July 31, 2024. Of them, 23,640 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.
The Israelis are friends & allies of the west as they are largely part of western culture, they are a bulwark against all sorts of shite in the middle east (imsgined & real), that is why they are feted, not because they're Jews and run the world

what utter shite... Western culture or at least the people do not support genocide and occupation, Israel is the cause of not a bulwark against issues in the middle east. Zionists and their supporters be they Jewish or Christian have a stranglehold over the US and Uk and Germans at least, 3 of them more powerful countries in the world.
Explain to me the reasons why the west is beholden to Israel.

firstly, same question back at you.

historicaly, there was and there continues to be a strong zionist lobby, (again zionists is not code for Jew), there are other reasons, like holocaust guilt, cold War politics, US foreign policy and interference in the middle east and needing bases and puppet there.

however, to dismiss that mossad and shin bet after what has be proven they are capable are also influencing US and other polications just isn't credible In my opinion given what we have witnessed over the past 11 months.


Rossfan

Well done to those who stayed away from the War Criminal's propaganda.
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

Sheedy

Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2024, 01:30:39 PMWell done to those who stayed away from the War Criminal's propaganda.
not the Irish delegates though, they stayed to listen, shame on them.

whitey

#3398
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.




In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

PadraicHenryPearse

#3399
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.




In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace

whitey

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 04:06:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.




In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace



Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad

PadraicHenryPearse

#3401
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 04:06:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.




In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace



Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad

I won't have enough time or space on this thread to go through isreals but it started with 750,000 ethic cleansed in the nakba, all those denied their international right to return still, the massarces have continued and occupation for 75 years..

it's absolutely hilarious you telling me to read history, you haven't a clue, all you know is what you are fed by Israeli hasbara and you haven't the smarts to realise it...

I support armed resistence against occupation in line with International law..but would rather peace...but palesitinan have tried this and israeli continues murdering.. iwill never support an occupier and the occupation is the cause, and palestinans continue to suffer as a result.

you are an apartheid Israeli apologist, those who have occupied Palestine for over 75 year and currently competing a genocide to sit along side all its other massacres

Armagh18

Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 04:06:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.




In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace



Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad
Better than being a mini nazi but sure...

whitey

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 04:06:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.




In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace



Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad

I won't have enough time or space on this thread to go through isreals but it started with 750,000 ethic cleansed in the nakba, all those denied their international right to return still, the massarces have continued and occupation for 75 years..

it's absolutely hilarious you telling me to read history, you haven't a clue, all you know is what you are fed by Israeli hasbara and you haven't the smarts to realise it...

I support armed resistence against occupation in line with International law..but would rather peace...but palesitinan have tried this and israeli continues murdering.. iwill never support an occupier and the occupation is the cause, and palestinans continue to suffer as a result.

you are an apartheid Israeli apologist, those who have occupied Palestine for over 75 year and currently competing a genocide to sit along side all its other massacres

What a pile of nonsense

There was a real chance of peace in 2005/2006 when the Israelis withdrew and evicted the settlers but Hamas choose conflict....first with Fatah and then again with the Israelis

With the singing of the Abraham Accord (under Trump) there was, once again, a real chance of a path forward, but once again Hamas couldn't handle that

They were becoming insignificant in the grand scale of things, and decided to provoke the Israelis into a massive ground war without one iota of concern or  for their own civilian population

Armagh18

Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 04:06:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 28, 2024, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2024, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 27, 2024, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2024, 07:51:04 PMBottom line is Hamas WANTED an Israeli ground invasion for purposes

When they were planning the raid (where they raped murdered and kidnapped before and behind them) they would have considered the range of possible responses


They they retreated and hid among a civilian population in places such as schools and hospitals like a bunch of cowards

By all means be outraged at what Israel has done but get down off your high horses


THIS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTED!!!

you are clueless, an absolute clown and no nothing but to repeat mostly defuncted Israeli propaganda. I have already pointed you to what Hamas wanted but  when you post it in capitals, well now I am thinking maybe you are right!!!

Will you go back to sleep like a good fella

You rattled off some of the "reasons" they attacked, but that's not my question


When planning the attacks Hamas would have contemplated what the reaction of the Israelis would be-and how it would impact them (the terrorists) and the civilian population of Gaza.

Hamas obviously don't care one jot for the civilians of Gaza, because the Israeli response is 100% what one would have predicted

I did answer your stupid question and even gave you evidence of its stupidity but still you are back...

I doubt anyone expected Israelis to keep shouting free the hostages while murdering them, or the west with all its moralising would allow them to commit a genocide.

the very reason there is a resistence and the people of Gaza support the resistence is because of the Israeli occupation. your nonsense that they don't care for palestinains so Israeli hasbara.

so if you use your simplie logic Hamas are responsible for post Oct 7 because of Oct 7, the Israeli is responsible for Oct 7 because of their occupation prior to Oct 7 and therfore Israel is responsible for it all.

question- there is a Hamas member in a tent and 9 civilians, is Israel justified in killing all 9 civilians to kill the Hamas member?

that is what Israel is claiming it is doing. countless times the Hamas targets they claim are in these tents/apts/homes/hospitals/schools/mosques/UN buliding/libraries/shops etc. is debunked amd proven false but then again Israel claims all gazans are terrorists and have now claimed all Lebanese home are Hezollah, setting the seen for the simple minded that every bomb death is justified.




In 1994, if the dissident Republicans had forcibly seized power from Sinn Fein we wouldn't have had 30 years of peace.

That's exactly what happened in Gaza

There was a very real chance of peace, but Hamas wanted war

No clueless as ever, they offered a 15 year ceasefire when they came to power. Israel rejects all efforts at a two state solutions and its continued settlements, occupation and breaches of international law. Since the nakba Israel did not want peace



Wow.....you are actually an Hamas apologist. Shocking but not surprising

This is what Hamas did when they got into power

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes


Read your history lad

I won't have enough time or space on this thread to go through isreals but it started with 750,000 ethic cleansed in the nakba, all those denied their international right to return still, the massarces have continued and occupation for 75 years..

it's absolutely hilarious you telling me to read history, you haven't a clue, all you know is what you are fed by Israeli hasbara and you haven't the smarts to realise it...

I support armed resistence against occupation in line with International law..but would rather peace...but palesitinan have tried this and israeli continues murdering.. iwill never support an occupier and the occupation is the cause, and palestinans continue to suffer as a result.

you are an apartheid Israeli apologist, those who have occupied Palestine for over 75 year and currently competing a genocide to sit along side all its other massacres

What a pile of nonsense

There was a real chance of peace in 2005/2006 when the Israelis withdrew and evicted the settlers but Hamas choose conflict....first with Fatah and then again with the Israelis

With the singing of the Abraham Accord (under Trump) there was, once again, a real chance of a path forward, but once again Hamas couldn't handle that

They were becoming insignificant in the grand scale of things, and decided to provoke the Israelis into a massive ground war without one iota of concern or  for their own civilian population
It's the equivalent of someone throwing a stone at your car and you burning down their house and murdering everyone they know.