Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread

[Shamrock Shore]

Lump your money on Killoe

No other team within an asses' roar.

[LaurelEye]

Carrickedmond 2-8 Clonguish 0-12

First major shock so far. May not be the last.

Mostrim 0-5 Rathcline 1-5
Colmcille 1-17 Kenagh 2-6

Mullinalaghta 0-13 Dromard 0-13
Longford Slashers 1-7 Abbeylara 0-11

Granard 0-11 Killoe 1-14

[LaurelEye]

Week 3

Group A

Mostrim v Killoe, Friday 7.45pm, Ardagh
Granard v Colmcille, Friday 7.45pm, Ballinalee
Rathcline v Kenagh, Saturday 7pm, Cashel

Killoe 4pts +9
Rathcline 4pts +7
Colmcille 2pts +5
Mostrim 2pts 0
Granard 0pts -10
Kenagh 0pts -11

Unlikely to be pretty for either Mostrim or Kenagh. Granard probably do need to get a win at this point although with the two stragglers still to play a quarter-final slot still looks likely.

Group B

Carrickedmond v Longford Slashers, Friday 8pm, Kenagh
Mullinalaghta v Clonguish, Saturday 7pm, Monaduff
Dromard v Abbeylara, Sunday 6pm, Carrickadorrish

Dromard 3pts +4
Abbeylara 3pts +1
Mullinalaghta 2pts 0
Carrickedmond 2pts -2
Longford Slashers 1pt -1
Clonguish 1pt -2

Clonguish off to a rocky start but should have a good chance of claiming two points against an understrength Mullinalaghta. Carrickedmond might fancy their chances as Dermot Brady faces his former colleagues. The top of the table clash may favour Abbey.

Odds:

Paddy Power (https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/longford-club-football?tab=outrights):

Killoe 9/4 2/1 15/8
Mullinalaghta 10/3 9/2 7/2
Dromard 6/1 5/1
Clonguish 3/1 10/3 7/1
Colmcille 15/2 9/1 8/1
Abbeylara 20/1 14/1 8/1
Longford Slashers 12/1 9/1 12/1
Rathcline 40/1 20/1 14/1
Carrickedmond 66/1 50/1 25/1
Mostrim 25/1 20/1 33/1
Granard 25/1 50/1 80/1
Kenagh 100/1 150/1

BoyleSports (https://www.boylesports.com/sports/gaa/outrights):

Killoe 11/8 Evens
Mullinalaghta 7/2 4/1 5/1
Clonguish 3/1 4/1 6/1
Dromard 8/1 12/1 15/2
Colmcille 9/1 12/1 10/1
Longford Slashers 12/1
Abbeylara 25/1 16/1 12/1
Rathcline 40/1 28/1 16/1
Mostrim 25/1 28/1
Carrickedmond 66/1 33/1
Granard 25/1 50/1
Kenagh 33/1 40/1 100/1

I still think Clonguish are being over-reacted to; provided they make it through to the quarter-finals (still likely) and avoid meeting Killoe too early before they're back to full strength (less likely than it was) then they're still very dangerous.

[LaurelEye]

Lump your money on Killoe

No other team within an asses' roar.

I do think that they have the easier of the two groups and that that's likely to flatter them a little.

[LaurelEye]

Mostrim 1-2 Killoe 0-9
Granard 1-9 Colmcille 2-14

Carrickedmond 1-11 Longford Slashers 1-11

Rathcline 3-15 Kenagh 0-4
Mullinalaghta 3-10 Clonguish 0-18

Dromard 0-12 Abbeylara 0-13

[Sideliner]

Well done Mullinalaghta on a hard earned win. Goals win games as they say and it was the case last night. I thought we were looking good at half time and into the start of the second half.
For Mullinalaghta to get the win despite missing so many lads is an incredible feat. Well done Laurel!

[LaurelEye]

Well done Mullinalaghta on a hard earned win. Goals win games as they say and it was the case last night. I thought we were looking good at half time and into the start of the second half.
For Mullinalaghta to get the win despite missing so many lads is an incredible feat. Well done Laurel!

Thanks Sideliner.

I wasn't at all optimistic until we got the first goal and there was that belief that we might be able to make a game of it. Clonguish were the better team in the first half (my impression at the time was that Carey's goal was disallowed because after he caught it, he dropped to the ground, let the ball fall, and then picked it directly off the ground and the video does seem to support it) but the last twenty minutes was a stormer of a performance (with Mackey and Niall Woods contributing massively), but one win doesn't get you anything more than two points. I still think Clonguish will eke out a quarter-final place and be dangerous from then on, but I'm less confident of that than I would have been fifteen hours ago.

[LaurelEye]

Group standings after 3 rounds:

Group A


Rathcline 6pts +27
Killoe 6pts +13
Colmcille 4pts +13
Mostrim 2pts -4
Granard 0pts -18
Kenagh 0pts -31

Rathcline, Killoe and Colmcille (on the basis of the head-to-heads) all through.

Group B

Abbeylara 5pts +2
Mullinalaghta 4pts +1
Dromard 3pts +3
Carrickedmond 3pts -2
Longford Slashers 2pts -1
Clonguish 1pt -3

Abbey through for all intents and purposes after missing out last year but it's not mathematically absolutely certain yet.

[LaurelEye]

Week 4

Group A

Killoe v Rathcline, Friday 8pm, Ballymahon
Colmcille v Mostrim, Saturday 7pm, Granard
Kenagh v Granard, Sunday 7pm, Killoe

The crucial match here will be Granard/Mostrim next week, with Killoe, Colmcille, and Granard all likely to win this weekend.

Group B

Abbeylara v Carrickedmond, Sunday 2.30pm, Ardagh
Longford Slashers v Mullinalaghta, Sunday 4pm, Edgeworthstown
Clonguish v Dromard, Sunday 5.45pm, Edgeworthstown

Absolute must-win games for Clonguish and Slashers with both Dromard and Carrickedmond needing something to be sure of qualification.

Odds:

BoyleSports (https://www.boylesports.com/sports/gaa/outrights):

Killoe 11/8 Evens
Mullinalaghta 7/2 4/1 5/1
Clonguish 3/1 4/1 6/1
Colmcille 9/1 12/1 10/1 9/1
Dromard 8/1 12/1 9/1
Abbeylara 25/1 16/1 12/1 9/1
Longford Slashers 12/1
Rathcline 40/1 28/1 16/1
Mostrim 25/1 28/1
Carrickedmond 66/1 33/1
Granard 25/1 50/1
Kenagh 33/1 40/1 100/1

[LaurelEye]

Killoe 2-15 Rathcline 0-7

Colmcille 2-11 Mostrim 1-11

Abbeylara 0-11 Carrickedmond 1-8
Longford Slashers 0-10 Mullinalaghta 0-7
Clonguish 2-17 Dromard 2-2
Kenagh 0-6 Granard 4-10

[LaurelEye]

Group standings after 4 rounds:

Group A


Killoe 8pts +27
Colmcille 6pts +16
Rathcline 6pts +13
Granard 2pts -2
Mostrim 2pts -7
Kenagh 0pts -47

Killoe win the group. The other two matches next weekend decide placings 2-3 and 4-5.

Group B

Abbeylara 6pts +2
Longford Slashers 4pts +2
Carrickedmond 4pts -2
Mullinalaghta 4pts -2
Clonguish 3pts +12
Dromard 3pts -12

Abbeylara formally through and have no need to put out a full team against Clonguish who cannot overhaul them. Mullinalaghta v Carrickedmond is a must-win game for both teams. Dromard need to beat Slashers to have a chance of avoiding the relegation playoffs.

[Shamrock Shore]

All doom and gloom in Edgeworthstown.

At this rate cannot see us beat Granard.

Is it one or two teams going down to Intermediate?
Surely if it's one then that's Kayna?

[LaurelEye]

My understanding is that it's two, although there were some people earlier in the year dumb enough to be proposing three.

[Sideliner]

Another weekend of unpredictability in Group B in particular. It's very hard to call a winner in any of the games with great certainty.

Obviously Abbey are through. That's a cert.

A quick query if anybody knows...... say for instance Clonguish beat Abbey, and Mullinalaghta v Carrickedmond finished a draw it would mean 3 teams are on 5pts. Does it go on head to head then? Clonguish lost to both Mullinalaghta and Carrick so a win against Abbey would not be enough for us??

[LaurelEye]

From the national code:

"(e) If a Championship is partly organised on a League basis, the following Regulations
shall apply:
(i) League results shall be credited as follows: 2 points for a win, and one for a draw.
(ii) If a Team is Disqualified or Retires during the course of the League Stage, its
played Games shall stand and its unplayed Games shall be awarded to the
Opposing Teams.
(iii) A County Committee may make regulations, setting out criteria to rank teams
which finish with equal points. In default, a tie shall be decided by the application
of the following criteria in the order specified:
(1) The higher number of League Points obtained in the 'Head-to-Head' games
defined as the games in which the teams involved in the tie have played each
other.
(2) The higher Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total
Scores For) in the 'Head-to-Head' games.
(3) The higher Scores For in the 'Head-to- Head' games.
(4) If, having applied criteria (1) to (3) inclusive, there are still teams with an equal
ranking, criteria (i) to (iii) are applied to the 'Head to Head' games between the
teams which remain tied.
(5) The higher Scoring Difference in all games in the League Group.
(6) The higher Scores For in all games in the League Group.
(7) A Play-Off.
Games Awarded Without Score (e.g., a walk -over) Involved in a Tie-Breaker
Team Awarded Game.
Its 'Average Score For' and 'Average Score Against' achieved in games played (
in Head-to-Head or All the Group, as applicable) shall be added to its 'Score
For' and 'Scores Against' totals.
Team Against whom Game was Awarded.
It shall have zero added to its 'Score For'. Its 'Average Score Against' conceded
in games played (in Head-to-Head or All Group, as applicable) shall be added
to its 'Score Against' total."

From the Longford bye-laws:

11. COMPETITIONS
Where Teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, for placings on a
Competition League Table, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following
means and in the order specified:
(i). Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous
game(s) in the Competition.
(ii). Where three or more teams are involved - the Team (if any) which defeated each of the other Teams
on equal points in the previous games in the Competition.
(iii). Scoring Difference from the game(s) in which only the teams involved (teams tied on points) have
played each other (subtracting the value of the total Scores Against from the value of the total Scores
For).
(iv). Value of Highest Total Scores For, from the game(s) in which only the teams involved (teams tied on
points) have played each other.
(v). Highest number of Total Scores For, from the game(s) in which only the teams involved (teams tied on
points) have played each other.
(vi). Highest number of Goals Scored For, from the game(s) in which only the teams involved (teams tied
on points) have played each other.
(vii). A Play-Off
The above formula, with the exception of (i), (ii) and (iii), in the order as specified, shall apply in the
event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification,
loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover.

So yes, in the event of that happening, the most likely interpretation would be that given that Carrickedmond and Mullinalaghta would both have beaten Clonguish they would be ranked ahead of them. It says that explicitly in the national code but the Longford bye-laws are more ambiguous (no-one will have beaten both the other teams) but scoring difference would have the same effect. But I have very little doubt that there would be a Litigant Alert at that point. (If Dromard were to beat Slashers or if they and Slashers were to draw then that introduces a fourth team on five points and things become more complex still.)