All-Ireland QFs: Armagh/Roscommon, Dublin/Galway, Donegal/Louth, Kerry/Derry

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Maroon Manc

Nobody mentioned the bizarreness of the draw?

Galway/Derry Co Board have every right to complain. Galway/Derry both had a 1 in 3 chance of meeting Dublin ended up with a 1 in 2 because of it the decided to make the draw that way.

Considering Donegal could play everyone surely the sensible option was to draw their opponents first and then work backwards from there, it wasn't rocket science. Roscommon's chances of meeting Armagh went from 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 due to it too.


samuel maguire

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2024, 02:31:39 PMNobody mentioned the bizarreness of the draw?

Galway/Derry Co Board have every right to complain. Galway/Derry both had a 1 in 3 chance of meeting Dublin ended up with a 1 in 2 because of it the decided to make the draw that way.

Considering Donegal could play everyone surely the sensible option was to draw their opponents first and then work backwards from there, it wasn't rocket science. Roscommon's chances of meeting Armagh went from 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 due to it too.


I was thinking the same myself

Solo_run

Armagh and Louth only had 2 options in the draw - if Donegal did go first it probably would have resulted in a redraw or several before being matched with teams that could be played.

bennydorano

You can't have it both ways, either you want teams to avoid teams they've played already and adapt the draw to fit that criteria or screw that and do a fully open draw. I stated how they would have to approach it, it was the exact same last year. Donegal drew first just creates problems as you go further down the draw - unless you do something similar by forcing an outcome further down the draw, you might have to stop and start again - so its balls either way. The way they did it makes perfect sense to me as their scope is restricted.

cornerback

https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

armaghniac

Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.

Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...

A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.

Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
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93-DY-SAM

Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.

Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...

Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.

Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...

A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.

Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.

A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.

Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.

Why are the other teams even bothering? Seems Armagh already have their name on Sam this year.

Solo_run

Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 25, 2024, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.

Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...

Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.

Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...

A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.

Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.

A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.

Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.

Why are the other teams even bothering? Seems Armagh already have their name on Sam this year.

I don't know what you are on about but I for one am not looking beyond the weekend - Roscommon are going to be difficult to beat and our record in QFs the last number of years is horrendous.

Maroon Manc

Draw Donegal opponents out first, if it was Galway or Derry then the one not chosen automatically gets Dublin. If it Roscommon or Louth then whoever didn't get drawn automatically gets Armagh.

Draw Kerry out next and if Derry/Galway had not come out then have a separate pot with just Derry/Galway in. Whoever doesn't come out automatically plays Dublin.

None of the above is complicated and was a much fairer way of doing the draw which has ended up as a distorted farce.




bennydorano

The way it was done isn't complicated either. Thems the trade offs. I suspect if Galway hadn't have drew Dublin you wouldn't have posted this?

Armagh18


JoG2

Well, from a Galway pov in the blink of an eye they had a 33% chance meeting the Dubs change to a 50% chance. I'd no idea the draw was going to happen like that, was it known? Meet anyone other the Dublin they've a better chance of winning, get a few of the big guns back fit for a potential semi....

cornerback

Quote from: JoG2 on June 25, 2024, 04:34:52 PMWell, from a Galway pov in the blink of an eye they had a 33% chance meeting the Dubs change to a 50% chance. I'd no idea the draw was going to happen like that, was it known? Meet anyone other the Dublin they've a better chance of winning, get a few of the big guns back fit for a potential semi....

They always had a 50% chance of drawing Dublin because Dublin could only get Galway or Derry.
Galway could draw 3 teams but there wasn't an equal 33% chance of getting those teams.

Derryman forever

Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.

Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...

A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.

Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.


A Kerry Dublin semi  is gauranteed?
Now why did you not tell me before i bought the ticket to the quarter final.

armaghniac

Quote from: Derryman forever on June 25, 2024, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.

Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...

A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.

Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489

This probably explains it better than I could...

Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.

Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.


A Kerry Dublin semi  is gauranteed?
Now why did you not tell me before i bought the ticket to the quarter final.

It isn't guaranteed, it is possible and it is up to you to stop it!
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