Hurling 2024

[Franko]

The wording is spot on. implementing it and dealing with the protests of players, sidelines, management and supporters who, from further away than the ref can see it better!

I'm not sure at coaching level people are coaching kids to throw the ball, I've never seen it or spoke to coaches who would say its part of their coaching.

The players take it on, they watch the games and think they can get away with and in a lot of games probably are.

As for the ref's they aint robots and they will all interpret the rules slightly differently, sure if they can't even get VAR right after multiple views in a professional sport its gives you an idea on how, in a sport that is going at a faster pace

The first bit is down to the GAA in general.  The wording needs to be communicated better - I'm not sure what channels are best for this, but all involved could do with clarification

I do know what you are saying - a great majority of people seem to be of the opinion that if there is the tiniest sliver of daylight between the ball and the hand then they haven't committed a foul

Unfortunately, by the rule book, that's very much not the case

[johnnycool]

Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?

Two peoples definite strike is subjective.

[Franko]

Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?

Two peoples definite strike is subjective.

Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective

The referee has to make a call

And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same

Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'

If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away

[Milltown Row2]

Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?

Two peoples definite strike is subjective.

Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective

The referee has to make a call

And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same

Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'

If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away

I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..

Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!

[NAG1]

Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?

Two peoples definite strike is subjective.

Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective

The referee has to make a call

And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same

Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'

If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away

I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..

Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!

It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.

All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.

Never going to change.

[Milltown Row2]

Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?

Two peoples definite strike is subjective.

Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective

The referee has to make a call

And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same

Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'

If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away

I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..

Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!

It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.

All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.

Never going to change.

Intercounty or club?

[NAG1]

Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?

Two peoples definite strike is subjective.

Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective

The referee has to make a call

And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same

Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'

If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away

I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..

Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!

It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.

All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.

Never going to change.

Intercounty or club?

Intercounty I was referring too in this one.

But only applies when certain counties are playing.

[Milltown Row2]

Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?

Two peoples definite strike is subjective.

Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective

The referee has to make a call

And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same

Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'

If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away

I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..

Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!

It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.

All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.

Never going to change.

Intercounty or club?

Intercounty I was referring too in this one.

But only applies when certain counties are playing.

As I said you could break it down to certain players  never mind counties

Its simple enough to target these lads and just say that we are not seeing a clear striking motion and until that changes we will pull you up on it

[johnnycool]

Expecting Cork to overrun Offaly tomorrow night and also Wexford to have too much for Laois, although I think that one will be tighter.

[Milltown Row2]

Expecting Cork to overrun Offaly tomorrow night and also Wexford to have too much for Laois, although I think that one will be tighter.

A 18 point handicap and a 9 point handicap for the Laois game, which is about right, The Cork game will have plenty of goals in it, expect about 5.. 4 of them for Cork..

If Laois can get over the game, that they basically for large parts off, were the better team, reduce the 18 wides they had and missed goal opportunities then they can get closer. Just think Wexford will have too much in the end

[johnnycool]

Expecting Cork to overrun Offaly tomorrow night and also Wexford to have too much for Laois, although I think that one will be tighter.

A 18 point handicap and a 9 point handicap for the Laois game, which is about right, The Cork game will have plenty of goals in it, expect about 5.. 4 of them for Cork..

If Laois can get over the game, that they basically for large parts off, were the better team, reduce the 18 wides they had and missed goal opportunities then they can get closer. Just think Wexford will have too much in the end

I thought that too in the Joe McDonagh final, but not wanting to rage against the Biffo tide of greatness sweeping their county.
Laois lost that game rather than Offaly win it I thought.

[Armagh18]

Harsh enough turn around on Offaly is it not??

[Milltown Row2]

Harsh enough turn around on Offaly is it not??

Not really, they have entry into Leinster next year and have won the Joe McD. Great season for them and back at the top table.

Its not like they are going to put 70 minutes into this game, combative enough for a while then will fall away with 15 to go

[Milltown Row2]

Some pace off that strike from Hayes

[marty34]

Cork and Wexford, as expected, well in control.

Cork seem to have another gear in them.