Down Club Hurling & Football

[clonian]

Carryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor -
Glen - ?
Drumgath - ??

Anyone any updates on above?

At what stage are a lot of these clubs going to catch on that throwing money at the problem isn't going to get them past Kilcoo? What's the return on investment realistically. It's a big drain on club cash which could be better used to invest in facilities etc for the future.

[Mourne Red]

Think Lacey is under McGuinnesses ticket for Donegal with Murphy

[Applesisapples]

County Board have asked the GAA to investigate, they have accepted.

[Mourne Red]

County Board have asked the GAA to investigate, they have accepted.

Not up to speed with how the whole committee shite works but surely Down CB know what happened within their own competition or what is the reason for getting the GAA to investigate it?

[ck]

Carryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor -
Glen - ?
Drumgath - ??

Anyone any updates on above?

What is the story there. I would assume as winning the title would guarantee the job, that it is Lacey walking away. Is he based in Letterkenny and travelling 3 times a week?

The money Lacey is on he could be flying his own helicopter from Donegal

[Gaelforce123]

Carryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor -
Glen - ?
Drumgath - ??

Anyone any updates on above?

At what stage are a lot of these clubs going to catch on that throwing money at the problem isn't going to get them past Kilcoo? What's the return on investment realistically. It's a big drain on club cash which could be better used to invest in facilities etc for the future.

I agree there is crazy money going around, however none more so than Kilcoo themselves of course in order to get to where they are. 2/3 outside men every year and in many cases travelling from Derry and now Donegal, Donaghey in doing S&C for years, stats woman from Donegal this past number of years all whilst investing in the club facilities. Money hasnt appeared to have been an object since they started to become successful right through to now. Its the same everywhere all over the Island. People talk about club coaches doing the job, in real terms with the pressure put on management and and fallouts within clubs and parents (yes parents at senior level) and teams etc, would they want to?

[Maurice Moss]

Special mention to our 2 senior team medics after their quick actions assisted Philip Walsh who took unwell after the final on Sunday.

[clonian]

Carryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor -
Glen - ?
Drumgath - ??

Anyone any updates on above?

At what stage are a lot of these clubs going to catch on that throwing money at the problem isn't going to get them past Kilcoo? What's the return on investment realistically. It's a big drain on club cash which could be better used to invest in facilities etc for the future.

I agree there is crazy money going around, however none more so than Kilcoo themselves of course in order to get to where they are. 2/3 outside men every year and in many cases travelling from Derry and now Donegal, Donaghey in doing S&C for years, stats woman from Donegal this past number of years all whilst investing in the club facilities. Money hasnt appeared to have been an object since they started to become successful right through to now. Its the same everywhere all over the Island. People talk about club coaches doing the job, in real terms with the pressure put on management and and fallouts within clubs and parents (yes parents at senior level) and teams etc, would they want to?

Kilcoo have been successful and they've invested in their grounds and facilities so you can't really question that. It's the chasing pack that are trying to copy them you'd ask questions of.

The in house club managers have their own issues but I'd say the number of players falling out with a clubman and the outside is about the same. The in house one may have a bigger affect long term though.

[Mourne Red]

Carryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor -
Glen - ?
Drumgath - ??

Anyone any updates on above?

Downpatrick job gone to Duffin and McCrickard

[thewobbler]

Down football is falling down with coaches who can quickly spot and replicate the more negative sides of Kilcoo's game: how to form a blockade between your 21 and 25. How to endlessly recycle with patience. How to assign man markers who literally do nothing but man mark. How to wind up and leave sky digs on opponents. How to intimidate referees. How to appeal and jostle every county board decision. How to build a cloak of omertà around the team. Etc.

But despite all of their expensive support teams and specialists, and despite all of their infatuation with stupid statistics, and with even stupider GPS data, and despite all of their hours watching, dissecting then foisting the sheer boredom of club football videos upon everyone...... not one manager in the county seems to be able to get a handle on let alone replicate what makes Kilcoo so bloody good.

None of them have found a way to control momentum against Kilcoo; actually none of them have even found a way to negate Kilcoo's control of momentum. None of them seem to be able to stop Kane kicking the ball into an unmarked man in the right half back channel, even though this has been his bailout kick out for years. So nobody ever scores twice in a row against them. When teams do force Kilcoo into a mistake, it's almost a given that they'll then retreat and hug the life out of the ball for a couple of mins just to get a breather; the exact opposite of how Kilcoo behave in this situation, where they'll pile forward at multiple angles. When you have the ball and Kilcoo get you where they want you - endlessly recycling on the Kilcoo 45 - it never seems to dawn on anyone that this might be the correct time to load the square and make Kilcoo retreat to match up the numbers, and not just form a line with them across the 45, waiting for the inevitable dispossession.


I'm not saying that Kilcoo aren't better anyhow. They probably are. But by f**k wouldn't it be nice if one team in Down didn't just fall into their traps? Just once?

Management in Down club football is bluffery of the highest order. Absolute bluffery.

[Maurice Moss]

Down football is falling down with coaches who can quickly spot and replicate the more negative sides of Kilcoo's game: how to form a blockade between your 21 and 25. How to endlessly recycle with patience. How to assign man markers who literally do nothing but man mark. How to wind up and leave sky digs on opponents. How to intimidate referees. How to appeal and jostle every county board decision. How to build a cloak of omertà around the team. Etc.

But despite all of their expensive support teams and specialists, and despite all of their infatuation with stupid statistics, and with even stupider GPS data, and despite all of their hours watching, dissecting then foisting the sheer boredom of club football videos upon everyone...... not one manager in the county seems to be able to get a handle on let alone replicate what makes Kilcoo so bloody good.

None of them have found a way to control momentum against Kilcoo; actually none of them have even found a way to negate Kilcoo's control of momentum. None of them seem to be able to stop Kane kicking the ball into an unmarked man in the right half back channel, even though this has been his bailout kick out for years. So nobody ever scores twice in a row against them. When teams do force Kilcoo into a mistake, it's almost a given that they'll then retreat and hug the life out of the ball for a couple of mins just to get a breather; the exact opposite of how Kilcoo behave in this situation, where they'll pile forward at multiple angles. When you have the ball and Kilcoo get you where they want you - endlessly recycling on the Kilcoo 45 - it never seems to dawn on anyone that this might be the correct time to load the square and make Kilcoo retreat to match up the numbers, and not just form a line with them across the 45, waiting for the inevitable dispossession.


I'm not saying that Kilcoo aren't better anyhow. They probably are. But by f**k wouldn't it be nice if one team in Down didn't just fall into their traps? Just once?

Management in Down club football is bluffery of the highest order. Absolute bluffery.

We are good like 🏁

[downtothecore]

 

[PTC]

Carryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor -
Glen - ?
Drumgath - ??

Anyone any updates on above?

Danny hughes in line for the Burren job

[Gaelforce123]

You will join Shane in the Harps this year then Wobbler? Sounds like you have the answers to overcome what nobody else can see? Sounds handy enough to be fair

[thewobbler]

You will join Shane in the Harps this year then Wobbler? Sounds like you have the answers to overcome what nobody else can see? Sounds handy enough to be fair

I don't have any answers. They're just observations.

The gap between Kilcoo and everyone else is getting bigger.

And we, the clubs of Down, are paying men handsomely while this is happening.

Is this not a fair observation?

And if it is a fair observation, should we not be expecting more?