Dublin v Kerry all ireland SF

[blanketattack]

Kerry '98, Galway '99, Meath '00, Kerry '01, Galway '02, Tyrone '04 and '06.

I wouldn't put a lack of success in those years down to anaemic performances. In '98 Kerry lost to Kildare by a point having had a perfectly good goal disallowed for square ball. Tyrone in '04 were still suffering from the loss of McAnallen while in '06 they had too many injuries.

[Hound]

However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. 

Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.

[Hound]

Kerry '98, Galway '99, Meath '00, Kerry '01, Galway '02, Tyrone '04 and '06.

I wouldn't put a lack of success in those years down to anaemic performances. In '98 Kerry lost to Kildare by a point having had a perfectly good goal disallowed for square ball. Tyrone in '04 were still suffering from the loss of McAnallen while in '06 they had too many injuries.

I believe that at a time when there is little between a lot of the teams, hunger plays a vital role. Its not easy for lads who have just won the All Ireland to have the same fight and passion as lads who havent.

However, Dublin-Kerry is a different animal altogether, and no matter what the circumstances, both teams should be equally up for it. But maybe spailpin will get something right for once and perhaps Kerry-Dublin isnt really a rivalry and Kerry will treat it no different to any other game....

[lynchbhoy]

I think there will be an awful lot of interesting matchups in this game....

McConnell on Donaghy...adv Kerry
Henry on MFR... adv Dublin
Griffen on Cooper...adv Kerry

Casey on Galvin/Sheehan...adv Kerry
Cullen on Brosnan...draw
Cahill on O'Sullivan..adv Dublin

O'Se/Scanlon v's Whelan/Ryan..draw....(interesting to see do Whelan/O'Se mark each other...if I was Caffrey I would want Ryan on O'Se and drag him out to the sideline)

O'Se on Moran..adv Kerry
O'Mahony on Sherlock...draw
Reidy on Brogan...adv Dublin

O'Se on Brogan....draw
O'Sullivan on Keaney...adv Dublin
Vaughan on Young...adv Dublin

So battle around the middle is crucial as think both full forward lines have the beating of the full back lines....
If Galvin is out it is a big loss to Kerry I think even though Sheahan is probably a better point taker and long range free taker I think they will lose out on the breaking ball....

Could be a career defining game for Whelan because if he performs well against O'Se and Dublin win people might start accepting he is a great mid-fielder..

While have been confident we would win all the games up till now and never during them thought we would lose this is the big one....a win here and a possible All-Ireland would be the perfect thing to give this Dublin team the real confident boost that they need to express themselves and strengthen themselves mentally...

Jeez DFS
after your abysmal 'matchups' and rationalisations from before the Derry match, I would have thought youd have learned from this and given this kind of craic up !
I havent even read the abocve but the one line that I am looking at right now
regarding whelan and Dara O'Se - Whelan is good but he is still way off the calibre of DOS - unless he has a REALLY bad day. Whelan needs help in MF too. The last game showed that.

[lynchbhoy]

However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. 

Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.

7 - 2

[Romeo]

However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. 

Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.

7 - 2

So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.

[lynchbhoy]

As a neutral from Derry it's very difficult to assess Kerry because of their performance against Monaghan.  M are an team who are very physical and prevent the other team from playing ball and then hit them with a few counter attacks.  I thought Kerry's left side of defense was very weak and they certainly would miss the power and 'dirt' of Galvin but they will be allowed to play more football against Dublin and all of their forwards can perform provided they vary their game plan (not just bombard Donaghy with high balls (although that could be more effective) against McConnell who I don't rate.   On the other hand Dublin, if they position their forwards better, could benefit by attacking up the RHS where Kerry are weakest.  I would also agree that Cullen does not attend to his 'primary' defensive and this would be exposed by Brosnan's direct running (remember the 'roasting' a half-fit Paul Murphy gave him).  I'd expect mid-field to be 50/50.  However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.  Overall I think Derry played them well and created good chances,  Kerry's defence is not as good and I fancy the Dubs to won a very entertaining game.

Agree with some of that.
I think Donaghy's reputation won the game for Kerry the last day out. That monaghan corner back who paniced and ran into his own man marking Donaghy thus knocking the ball down to the incomming OSullivan was guilty of this. Up until then Donaghy had been easily policed by the full back.
A high ball into the full forward line is of no use if the FF is isolated and the pass is too far left, right , behind or in front of the FF. Irrespective of how big he is, Donaghy is no different. As he is a tall thin agile man, he is liable to be pushed around by a stronger heavier FB. I am not sure how big/heavy McConnell is but I have read that Donaghy is 14 stone. That cant be right for a fella who is 6' 5". If true - and I have checked it out in a couple of diff places, then he is a catwalk queen size 8. I think the info is wrong - but if it is correct, then it makes the FB's job a lot easier and explains why Monaghan FB handled him well enough all day.
The Kerry Def wont be caught out as badly again, and they have more attacking options than Derry. A different style of play as from 2-15 they will attack, and can score. Derry only have a few score getters but that kind of suits their current 'style' anyhow.
Dublins biggest problems are Cullen at CHB and the lack of belief.
Lack of belief - Dublin? If they are not slightly upset by the Derry perf, then their minds will aloow them believe they can win. However, as this is Kerry, Dublin traditionally have a mental block against the kingdom, and in games where they should have won, they capitulated.
This could be a great match. Dublin can win, if they bring in help for Whelan and shore up CHB - AND they really believe that they can win.
Anything else, and it will be the Green and Gold heading for the final.
Looking forward to this.

[lynchbhoy]

However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. 

Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.

7 - 2

So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.

sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.

[dubsnsubs]

As a matter of interest has anyone actually got their hands on a ticket for this yet.

[his holiness nb]

As a matter of interest has anyone actually got their hands on a ticket for this yet.

100% guaranteed one!

[dubsnsubs]

But you havent got it in your hand yet. Just wondering if any tickets have been distributed around the country and if clubs outside Leinster/Munster receive an allocation???

[Declan]

Just wondering if any tickets have been distributed around the country

Don't think so as my club hadn't heard anything up till last night

[Romeo]

However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. 

Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.

7 - 2

So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.

sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.

It did only dawn on me when Bradley missed that easy free in the 2nd half how few fress Derry had got! Don't remember roaring at the ref too much, so he can't have been too bad to Dublin!

[lynchbhoy]

However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. 

Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.

7 - 2

So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.

sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.

It did only dawn on me when Bradley missed that easy free in the 2nd half how few fress Derry had got! Don't remember roaring at the ref too much, so he can't have been too bad to Dublin!

ref , frees whatever else - Derry can only blame themselves as they had enough chances to draw or win the game. They wouldnt be capable of much more of an improvement, while Dublin most def can.
I also think that Dublin need to change the playing formation and a couple of personnel in order to allow them to be as good as they can be.
As of now, the midfield is crucial. tyrone showed they didnt have one and meath's midfield platform was the basis for their q-final win.
Cork are imo prob the best midfield pairing left in the championship. Kerry (powered by DOS) are next, Dublin (with Whelan playing a lone midfield role) after this , with Meath and the at times superb otherwise inconsistent Ward/MIA crawford the lest effective midfield.
Dublin need to stick in another midfielder. Need to bring shane ryan out as a third midfielder. The role collie moran is playing is fine, but space around midfield is not as valuable or exactable as the space a two man FF line gives - esp with Dublins fast , strong scoring forwards.

[Hound]

However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. 

Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.

7 - 2

So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.

sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.

Derry got more soft frees close to goal than Dublin did (2-1). Dublin got a few soft frees out the field, but only one close to goal. The one Bradley hit wide was the worst close-in free decision the ref made. I thought the 45 was a shoulder to shoulder - in any event Dublin had a clear 45 earlier that wasnt given.

Dublin got more frees from scoreable positions, simply because Dublin defenders fouled less. They stood off their men more encouraging them to shoot from distance.  But by doing this they rarely or never let their opponets by them (McConnell only expcetion). Derry on the other hand were much closer, but allowed Dublin attackers get by them more, which resulted in more frees. Clear frees. Now quit your whining!