Man Utd Thread:

[Norf Tyrone]

Norf.

The problem with the Rio and Frimpong offences is that under the rules they are two different offences which carry two different range of punishments. Should they be? No, but they are currently so until the FA change this obvious irregularity the players aren't getting away with anything rather they are being dealt with in accordance with the rules. Rules which have been badly thought out by the FA

Two differing offences? If John Terry had called Anton Ferdinand a choc ice would he have been issued with a mere fine?
It's worth noting that Rio's fine for a racist tweet was less than Cole's for calling the FA a 'bunch of f***ing t**ts'!


Re the Torres yellow card. I'll expect to see a host of yellow cards now for exaggerated falls. Will it happen? Will it f**k. It's something that Clatenburg made up after he realised he had cocked up.

How was it racist? How could it be racist? Cop yourself on.

How big a points deduction should Chelsea get if the allegations they have made against Clattenburg are found to be false? I'd go for 15-20.

Seanie did you call for United to be docked 15-20 points when Evra's/ United's allegation against the Chelsea groundsman was found to be false?

[magpie seanie]

Pogba? Who cares?

United are top of the league and are 100% in the CL without really hitting their stride. They'll get over Pogba!

[magpie seanie]

Norf.

The problem with the Rio and Frimpong offences is that under the rules they are two different offences which carry two different range of punishments. Should they be? No, but they are currently so until the FA change this obvious irregularity the players aren't getting away with anything rather they are being dealt with in accordance with the rules. Rules which have been badly thought out by the FA

Two differing offences? If John Terry had called Anton Ferdinand a choc ice would he have been issued with a mere fine?
It's worth noting that Rio's fine for a racist tweet was less than Cole's for calling the FA a 'bunch of f***ing t**ts'!


Re the Torres yellow card. I'll expect to see a host of yellow cards now for exaggerated falls. Will it happen? Will it f**k. It's something that Clatenburg made up after he realised he had cocked up.

How was it racist? How could it be racist? Cop yourself on.

How big a points deduction should Chelsea get if the allegations they have made against Clattenburg are found to be false? I'd go for 15-20.

Seanie did you call for United to be docked 15-20 points when Evra's/ United's allegation against the Chelsea groundsman was found to be false?

In the pantheon of whatabouterists you must be in the elite section of the hall of fame! You make me laugh!

Of course I didn't! You do understand that there's a difference between a referee and a groundsman I hope.

Glad you are now fronting up to the situation of chel$kis allegations being false.

[Norf Tyrone]

Groundsmen are less important than refs are they, or how are they different?

[EC Unique]

Groundsmen are less important than refs are they, or how are they different?

Would the groundsman's career have been at risk?

[screenexile]

Surely accusing somebody in the wrong is accusing somebody in the wrong? Why should it be different if you accuse a groundsman/referee or anyone for that matter.

If you're caught out for the lie you should take your oil! The Evra incident and Mikel incident should be treated the same. Although is it not reported that it wasn't Mikel who heard it but another Chelsea player?

[Norf Tyrone]

Groundsmen are less important than refs are they, or how are they different?

Would the groundsman's career have been at risk?

Of course it would!

For the record, I haven't a clue if Chelsea's allegation is false. I wasn't there, and have, like everyone else, no access to what evidence does or does not exist.

[Norf Tyrone]

Surely accusing somebody in the wrong is accusing somebody in the wrong? Why should it be different if you accuse a groundsman/referee or anyone for that matter.

If you're caught out for the lie you should take your oil! The Evra incident and Mikel incident should be treated the same. Although is it not reported that it wasn't Mikel who heard it but another Chelsea player?

The papers today and yesterday are now back tracking and it appears (acc to them papers) that Mikel did hear 'it', and there was no mass Chelsea rush into the referee's changing area as they roared last week.

[Jonah]

Groundsmen are less important than refs are they, or how are they different?

Would the groundsman's career have been at risk?

Of course it would have been, what makes you think it wouldnt ?
If you racially abused someone in your job would your job not be in danger?

[EC Unique]

Groundsmen are less important than refs are they, or how are they different?

Would the groundsman's career have been at risk?

Of course it would have been, what makes you think it wouldnt ?
If you racially abused someone in your job would your job not be in danger?

Note that I said career...Not job.

[Jonah]

So you reckon if he was convicted of racist abuse and had it on his record for life you don't think his career you have been affected one bit?
You don't think everyone would have known his name because of the high profile player who was involved and it would have  been all over the media.
Do you really think his life and career wouldnt have been affected???

[AQMP]

Groundsmen are less important than refs are they, or how are they different?

Would the groundsman's career have been at risk?

Of course it would have been, what makes you think it wouldnt ?
If you racially abused someone in your job would your job not be in danger?

Note that I said career...Not job.

Oh I dunno, Clattenburg could go back to his previous career of running electrical contractors...into the ground

If you read Norf's piece on the main Chelsea board, it seems under the Equality Act 2010 Chelsea may have been obliged to report this incident since an employee claimed to have been racially abused at work (whether CFC think he was or not)

[rodney trotter]

Pogba couldn't get out of United quick enough,not even Slur Al could stop him.
He is at a good club now fair play to him for sticking to his guns.

Pogba couldn't get a start in Uniteds midfield last year, and considering how decimated it was then it actually doesn't say much about his ability.

Well he said he wanted out in Januray so that might have had a say ,on his lack of game time for the rest of the season. He is still 19 so wasn't going to be playing every week - not yet anyways.

[NAG1]

He was obviously going to be a player otherwise he wouldnt have made it so far through the academy. Thing is his development at 19 would be more suited to playing in Italy anyway, where he can get more game time, more rest between games and less physical contact than the EPL.

United fans should look at it more in the sense that it shows that the scouting system is working as is the Academy system. The club are not going to be able to hang on to every young prospect in these times of the Bosman ruling, so just have to learn to accept it. Would be more difficult to swallow if he had joined a rival team in the EPL, good luck to him otherwise.

[rodney trotter]

He was obviously going to be a player otherwise he wouldnt have made it so far through the academy. Thing is his development at 19 would be more suited to playing in Italy anyway, where he can get more game time, more rest between games and less physical contact than the EPL.

United fans should look at it more in the sense that it shows that the scouting system is working as is the Academy system. The club are not going to be able to hang on to every young prospect in these times of the Bosman ruling, so just have to learn to accept it. Would be more difficult to swallow if he had joined a rival team in the EPL, good luck to him otherwise.
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I'd agree with all that.