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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling original
June 30, 2024, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: toby47 on June 27, 2024, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2024, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: LoughNeagh on June 26, 2024, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: toby47 on June 26, 2024, 08:54:41 AMIs our current championship format, the worst format imaginable? Surely the worst in Ireland?

Absolutely, pure shite. Nothing more than meaningless games.

Years ago, the conversation was about burn out and player welfare, now there are more meaningless games than ever. In all grades.

I'm assuming the only benefit is for the county to try and have more opportunities to see players in action.

The whole focus seems to be county with club an afterthought.

Meaningless league again this year with insignificant risk of relegation, all Coleraine must do is beat third place in D2?

Meaningless championship format

No fuss championship draw. Although the graphics are informative that they put up, there was no live draw, no big fuss.

Clearly the person that does Newbridge's PR has come in to help this year and we do see club results and fixtures sometimes on their socials but club coverage is still underwhelming.

If there wasn't a league format to the championship then a large number of our county players would only get one game for their clubs all year. If you want a proper league with all county players available then we'd have to wait until August for it to begin and run it off quickly. There is no perfect system. The Tyrone championship is lauded but they didn't start their league until June which was pathetic for the majority of club players. Also they're going to hit a point where there are 2 games a week for players, Fridays and Sundays. That's terrible for player welfare. What other counties have better systems and what are those arrangements?

I think it's more pathetic for teams to start training in January, for a league to start in March, half of reserve games not fielded, crappy attendances and everyone, players included, knowing they mean absolutely nothing.

Then a group stage championship to start in 4th August. 5 Group games. 4th Aug, 18th Aug, 1st Sep, 15th Sep, 22nd Sep. Madness. 'Championship' starting in 4th August and first KO game on 6th October...9 weeks later.

The league in Derry has become an absolute farce if we are honest. Attendance's are brutal, I have spoken to many players this year scundered at playing the league games. 'such a drawn out long season' is said frequently. Going to the games and meeting ones 'how many men are ya's missing today?' 'Ah were down 8 players today, what about you?' 'Aye were down 10 ourselves'

With all due respect Kilrea & Dungiven are fighting it out for the league, I bet not both of them (possibly none of them) will make it out of their championship group.

I think there's absolutely no doubting Tyrone's club season, both league and championship formats are way above and beyond ours, and the players like it better too. County men will miss a few games, but will get to play well over 50%.

2 Games a week for maybe 2 weeks a year bad for player welfare? I'm not going there!
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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling original
June 30, 2024, 09:27:47 AM
Quote from: toby47 on June 27, 2024, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2024, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: LoughNeagh on June 26, 2024, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: toby47 on June 26, 2024, 08:54:41 AMIs our current championship format, the worst format imaginable? Surely the worst in Ireland?

Absolutely, pure shite. Nothing more than meaningless games.

Years ago, the conversation was about burn out and player welfare, now there are more meaningless games than ever. In all grades.

I'm assuming the only benefit is for the county to try and have more opportunities to see players in action.

The whole focus seems to be county with club an afterthought.

Meaningless league again this year with insignificant risk of relegation, all Coleraine must do is beat third place in D2?

Meaningless championship format

No fuss championship draw. Although the graphics are informative that they put up, there was no live draw, no big fuss.

Clearly the person that does Newbridge's PR has come in to help this year and we do see club results and fixtures sometimes on their socials but club coverage is still underwhelming.

If there wasn't a league format to the championship then a large number of our county players would only get one game for their clubs all year. If you want a proper league with all county players available then we'd have to wait until August for it to begin and run it off quickly. There is no perfect system. The Tyrone championship is lauded but they didn't start their league until June which was pathetic for the majority of club players. Also they're going to hit a point where there are 2 games a week for players, Fridays and Sundays. That's terrible for player welfare. What other counties have better systems and what are those arrangements?

I think it's more pathetic for teams to start training in January, for a league to start in March, half of reserve games not fielded, crappy attendances and everyone, players included, knowing they mean absolutely nothing.

Then a group stage championship to start in 4th August. 5 Group games. 4th Aug, 18th Aug, 1st Sep, 15th Sep, 22nd Sep. Madness. 'Championship' starting in 4th August and first KO game on 6th October...9 weeks later.

The league in Derry has become an absolute farce if we are honest. Attendance's are brutal, I have spoken to many players this year scundered at playing the league games. 'such a drawn out long season' is said frequently. Going to the games and meeting ones 'how many men are ya's missing today?' 'Ah were down 8 players today, what about you?' 'Aye were down 10 ourselves'

With all due respect Kilrea & Dungiven are fighting it out for the league, I bet not both of them (possibly none of them) will make it out of their championship group.

I think there's absolutely no doubting Tyrone's club season, both league and championship formats are way above and beyond ours, and the players like it better too. County men will miss a few games, but will get to play well over 50%.

2 Games a week for maybe 2 weeks a year bad for player welfare? I'm not going there!
Quote from: toby47 on June 27, 2024, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2024, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: LoughNeagh on June 26, 2024, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: toby47 on June 26, 2024, 08:54:41 AMIs our current championship format, the worst format imaginable? Surely the worst in Ireland?

Absolutely, pure shite. Nothing more than meaningless games.

Years ago, the conversation was about burn out and player welfare, now there are more meaningless games than ever. In all grades.

I'm assuming the only benefit is for the county to try and have more opportunities to see players in action.

The whole focus seems to be county with club an afterthought.

Meaningless league again this year with insignificant risk of relegation, all Coleraine must do is beat third place in D2?

Meaningless championship format

No fuss championship draw. Although the graphics are informative that they put up, there was no live draw, no big fuss.

Clearly the person that does Newbridge's PR has come in to help this year and we do see club results and fixtures sometimes on their socials but club coverage is still underwhelming.

If there wasn't a league format to the championship then a large number of our county players would only get one game for their clubs all year. If you want a proper league with all county players available then we'd have to wait until August for it to begin and run it off quickly. There is no perfect system. The Tyrone championship is lauded but they didn't start their league until June which was pathetic for the majority of club players. Also they're going to hit a point where there are 2 games a week for players, Fridays and Sundays. That's terrible for player welfare. What other counties have better systems and what are those arrangements?

I think it's more pathetic for teams to start training in January, for a league to start in March, half of reserve games not fielded, crappy attendances and everyone, players included, knowing they mean absolutely nothing.

Then a group stage championship to start in 4th August. 5 Group games. 4th Aug, 18th Aug, 1st Sep, 15th Sep, 22nd Sep. Madness. 'Championship' starting in 4th August and first KO game on 6th October...9 weeks later.

The league in Derry has become an absolute farce if we are honest. Attendance's are brutal, I have spoken to many players this year scundered at playing the league games. 'such a drawn out long season' is said frequently. Going to the games and meeting ones 'how many men are ya's missing today?' 'Ah were down 8 players today, what about you?' 'Aye were down 10 ourselves'

With all due respect Kilrea & Dungiven are fighting it out for the league, I bet not both of them (possibly none of them) will make it out of their championship group.

I think there's absolutely no doubting Tyrone's club season, both league and championship formats are way above and beyond ours, and the players like it better too. County men will miss a few games, but will get to play well over 50%.

2 Games a week for maybe 2 weeks a year bad for player welfare? I'm not going there!
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