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#46
General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
May 18, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
The Indian variant is more transmissible there no evidence to suggest it more lethal. The vaccines work against it. Most people in hospital in England are entitled to the vaccine and choose not to get it.

Get vaccinated and this all goes away.

Interesting the vaccine up take is less in poorer areas and areas with poorer educational outcomes.

Don't be so quick to put it to education.

Going on what I deal with at home here, most of these people are pissed off with the Govt for their circumstances - they have very little by way of F-You to the powers that be. This is one they seem to have weaponised.

Putting their lives at risk to say f**k you to the government? That is certainly not an smart thing to do.

Educated enough to know it causes a headache though.

This is what happens when nobody cares about certain segments of the population for X amount of years. Their votes are largely irrelevant, so to speak.
#47
General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
May 18, 2021, 12:00:36 PM
Spurs won't sell to Chelsea. It's City or Utd and the latter may or may not be interested?
#48
General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
May 18, 2021, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
The Indian variant is more transmissible there no evidence to suggest it more lethal. The vaccines work against it. Most people in hospital in England are entitled to the vaccine and choose not to get it.

Get vaccinated and this all goes away.

Interesting the vaccine up take is less in poorer areas and areas with poorer educational outcomes.

Don't be so quick to put it to education.

Going on what I deal with at home here, most of these people are pissed off with the Govt for their circumstances - they have very little by way of F-You to the powers that be. This is one they seem to have weaponised.
#49
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 18, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I think it's just frustration at the much a muchness players. These players are all top level, don't make that mistake but sometimes Tyrone could be a bit more adventurous in picking an attacking player over say, one of the attritional men. But it's not a normal situation at present.

Can't really say much, the new management have been dealt a tricky enough task. 4 Ulster clashes in a row in your first 4 games (assuming no qualification in league) is hard to implement anything other than what you know. You are straight into a dogfight and no matter what they say, they won't want to make a habit of losing straight in the door.
#50
General discussion / Re: Premier League 20/21
May 18, 2021, 10:17:28 AM
Leeds own Bamford outright.
#51
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 17, 2021, 10:15:37 AM
Michael Kerr putting red diesel in the car, front page. Must have been struggling on Saturday night for a headline.
#52
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 16, 2021, 09:43:47 PM
You lads are awful hard on men after one loss  ;D
#53
Surely worthy of a riot.
#54
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 14, 2021, 04:31:12 PM
Couldn't expect much else really that going size for size and pack the middle in an Ulster Clash. But looks much like a Harte-like team.
Donaghy up front on his own with McKenna playing around him then unless the usual raft of pre throw in changes.

#55
Quote from: Angelo on May 14, 2021, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
Police killed before 1921 were members of the Crown forces.
Those killed after the setting up of An Gárda Síochána were serving an Irish State and Government.
Fianna Fáil broke away and forsook violence 1926 and were elected to Government 6 years later.
Again what did 25 years of War from 1973 to 1998 achieve that wasn't already there in 1973?

WRONG
WRONG
WRONG
WRONG
WRONG


FF member assassinated a sitting FG minister for justice in 1927.

How are free staters so ignorant of their own history?

When I read this message all I could think of was Hitler in Inglorious Basterds NEIN NEIN NEIN 😂😂
#56
Seeing all these posts from some other apparent forum. Do you ever feel like you aren't part of the joke?
#57
Quote from: sid waddell on May 14, 2021, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 14, 2021, 01:46:55 PM

The only issue I'll have with you that goes to extreme is the fact that we in the North are uninformed.

Some are uninformed, with others it's probably more a case of blocking out things they don't want to hear

But that ends with a propagandist view of history, not a rounded one

It's the history one wants to believe - this happens with literally every conflict in history

Propaganda is there as a protection for one's state of mind

It's a warm, soothing balm

Sure look how the Unionists are behaving now as regards Brexit and the NI Protocol

They've reached for the warm, soothing balm of victimhood propaganda

I'm not an NI Unionist, I don't live among their community, but I don't have to to see they're having a collective mental breakdown as an entity

Would you not concede some families who have suffered unimaginable loss (on both sides) and unimaginable brutality (on both sides) might just have to do things like that to survive, i.e. reach for the soothing balm of propaganda?

You should read about the Shankill Bombing and it's aftermath or the Loughgall Ambush and the aftermath of it. You'll see why some people in the North, as you rightly point out, seek to block out certain things, because the truth might just break them once and for all. Some of the people that were recognised from the Shankill Bombing by dental records, or some of those in Loughgall that had no body left, just slabs of flesh from the amount of bullets tore through them.

But the fact is, that is their lives. That was our lives in the North. It's not yours. They lived it, we lived it. You didn't.

I like your posts Sid, you seem good craic and half the time I know you are on the wind up. I rarely read the SF/North South Threads on this board for this type of thing. I just cannot and will not hear about what we lived through from someone who didn't. I hope you understand.
#58
Quote from: sid waddell on May 14, 2021, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 14, 2021, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 14, 2021, 12:51:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 14, 2021, 12:31:21 PM

It is ok to have an opinion, but it must be informed.
Very few NI opinions on this forum are informed

They are ruled by extreme emotion

These are the very worst types of opinions

On the whole, posters from the Republic seem far better informed

Shocker, since we actually lived the troubles.
And thus you and others who are ruled by emotion have to try and justify to yourself that the IRA's campaign of murder was a noble one, when you know it wasn't

It's scary to confront the truth that it was not some romantic, noble struggle, it was a pointless madness

But trying to pretend 27 years of slaughter were not futile is even scarier

It must engender mind bending levels of cognitive dissonance that can tip people over the edge into genuine craziness

At least one poster here is proof of that

Not at all Sid. I can step back and look at the stuggles objectively....and that is with family members lost via Loyalism/British Army and indeed it could be argued, at the hands of the IRA themselves. I have no extreme views whatsoever regarding the IRA but there are certain things as a Southerner you are unable to comprehend. It's not your fault, you just don't know.

For me war was war. It's all over now, thankfully.

The only issue I'll have with you that goes to extreme is the fact that we in the North are uninformed.

That's actually seriously offensive. We lived in fear, we were the ones lost family members, we were the ones checking under cars, we were the ones getting stopped going 2 mile down the road searched because the Gaelic Pitch was on the way.

Nobody in the South, like you, can ever understand that. So to call us informed? I will never agree with.
#59
Quote from: sid waddell on May 14, 2021, 12:51:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 14, 2021, 12:31:21 PM

It is ok to have an opinion, but it must be informed.
Very few NI opinions on this forum are informed

They are ruled by extreme emotion

These are the very worst types of opinions

On the whole, posters from the Republic seem far better informed

Shocker, since we actually lived the troubles.
#60
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 14, 2021, 12:43:41 PM
Hampsey new Captain of County.