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Not from but 3 of them played senior for Rossa at one stage or another.

Give the farmers a break I say, its the way it is because we want cheap food and the farmers have to do whatever they can in terms of efficiency to protect their livelyhoods. Regenerative models would help matters but the market can't live with the price of it. Wouldn't have a bad word said about farmers, they are the backbone of the country.

sorry, I am not following or understanding your points. I understand you think it was counterintuitive but why and what alternative would be better and what the outcome of the alternatives would be.

i don't know what your point is re your grandchildren but I had my first child around then so would be interested in what you point was.

Yes I also am sorry that I engaged in this. You not as cute as you think you are.

Wouldn't everyone want your health officialdom to be collecting the data to get to the answers rather that leave the conspiracy theorists to fill the silence? Surely we all want that?
Is the lack of want in this regard not concerning to folk?

Are they NOT looking at the data?

They are and very plausible reasons provided for the Increases.

I remember it was well discussed that taking the option to lockdown could potentially has knock on effects but it saved life's at the time..

Turns out there's an alternative view in terms of the evidence to prove that lock downs worked in any meaningful way. That may be counter intuitive to corner boys like ourselves but that's ok we are not experts so little point in us butting heads about it.  Interesting to listen to all sides the argument, I really do miss reasonable debate.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ieaVxUZYfFw0o1JpU2Y2d?si=j1iQoYwHSaO4I-VwhrX49Q

if you have a point to make, make it... surely reasonable debate can only happen if you put forward your views.. but then again you don't want them open to scrutiny, it easier to keep posting links

I do find myself minded to listen to people way more expert than me, usually professors, doctors and the like. I try my damdest to listen to all sides even the vegans! I have yet to read anyone cite any hard evidence in the discussion on this board instead relying on anecdotes about "my mate's, mates aunt blah blah" or headlines on the news. The couple of links I have posted do in my opinion if you took the time to watch them put across very reasonable points worthy of consideration. I can't help myself thinking that just accepting the main stream narrative at face value may not be the best personal course of action.
maybe I am wrong but I do get the sense when you write "scrutiny", you actually mean put down, what gets you so irked about it?

you appear to be minded to seek out peoples view you agree with that are doctors, professors etc. but  Nphet, the WHO are doctors too but not the type you listen too.

I watched a couple and they were a waste of my time. Not going to waste my time on a random US doctors take.

The fact you use the term 'accepting the mainstream narrative'  tells me something about your mindset but even so, I still like to hear the alternative to lockdown and it irks me that you seem well able to articulate yourself but not just not why Lockdowns were wrong.

From a cost benefit perspective they struck me as completely counterintuitive, how could they ever be successful when so much of society had to carry on regardless and so many others took it as an extended holiday regardless of all the crackdown stories in the news. We had twin grandchildren born in April 20 and not once did we consider any bubble arrangements, normal human instincts took over. I often get a sense that our societal lack of resilience will take decades to resolve.

I did find the most up to date data on New Zealand, found it quite quickly while I was having a cuppa with a coulple of hobnobs

The next date to release the latest data below: Wasn't as difficult as he made out lol

Births and deaths: Year ended December 2022 will be released on 20 February 2023.

Yes, pretty sure he said the NZ data was only available up to June 2022, excess deaths up by 9.7% at that point. I am confused as to why there should be nearly a 2 month delay in providing the data for the past 6 months, maybe their IT system is not up to scratch. I will be interested to see what Feb 20th reveals. As a particular end point "death" and its causes certainly is something i have a passing interest in so that I might defer its arrival as long as I can.

Wouldn't everyone want your health officialdom to be collecting the data to get to the answers rather that leave the conspiracy theorists to fill the silence? Surely we all want that?
Is the lack of want in this regard not concerning to folk?

Are they NOT looking at the data?

They are and very plausible reasons provided for the Increases.

I remember it was well discussed that taking the option to lockdown could potentially has knock on effects but it saved life's at the time..

Turns out there's an alternative view in terms of the evidence to prove that lock downs worked in any meaningful way. That may be counter intuitive to corner boys like ourselves but that's ok we are not experts so little point in us butting heads about it.  Interesting to listen to all sides the argument, I really do miss reasonable debate.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ieaVxUZYfFw0o1JpU2Y2d?si=j1iQoYwHSaO4I-VwhrX49Q

if you have a point to make, make it... surely reasonable debate can only happen if you put forward your views.. but then again you don't want them open to scrutiny, it easier to keep posting links

I do find myself minded to listen to people way more expert than me, usually professors, doctors and the like. I try my damdest to listen to all sides even the vegans! I have yet to read anyone cite any hard evidence in the discussion on this board instead relying on anecdotes about "my mate's, mates aunt blah blah" or headlines on the news. The couple of links I have posted do in my opinion if you took the time to watch them put across very reasonable points worthy of consideration. I can't help myself thinking that just accepting the main stream narrative at face value may not be the best personal course of action.
maybe I am wrong but I do get the sense when you write "scrutiny", you actually mean put down, what gets you so irked about it?

Wouldn't everyone want your health officialdom to be collecting the data to get to the answers rather that leave the conspiracy theorists to fill the silence? Surely we all want that?
Is the lack of want in this regard not concerning to folk?

Are they NOT looking at the data?

They are and very plausible reasons provided for the Increases.

I remember it was well discussed that taking the option to lockdown could potentially has knock on effects but it saved life's at the time..

Turns out there's an alternative view in terms of the evidence to prove that lock downs worked in any meaningful way. That may be counter intuitive to corner boys like ourselves but that's ok we are not experts so little point in us butting heads about it.  Interesting to listen to all sides the argument, I really do miss reasonable debate.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ieaVxUZYfFw0o1JpU2Y2d?si=j1iQoYwHSaO4I-VwhrX49Q

You know what, yous are right, there's nothing to see here. Best of luck!

He's not saying anything but there is a disturbing signal that the chief medical officer etc is not talking about. We should be getting an acknowledgment at least and some information on what's being done about it, not head in the sand stuff.

To be fair there was nearly one more excess death after watching!!

The hospital service at the minute is crazy, I know this first hand as the mother in law is going through a awful time of it, waiting times to be seen the other night was 20 hours, 12 hour waits on ambulance services, was watching a show on dogs last night, there was a girl on and she picked up covid at the start and has never recovered from it, she was 24, she's using a wheel chair to get around so if the elderly had caught it they may not have died straight away or in the the after months.. We've had 2 cold snaps recently and a cost of living crisis, people haven't the money to put the heat on...

We have a huge elderly population that is not being cared for properly dues to on going restrictions... IF and its a big if, if the vaccines were killing people, surely the rate would be a hell of a lot higher that 10%?

That's no way to approach it. Better to collect the data, crunch the numbers, identify the trends and develop a plan to try to steer a path out of it. Individual stories although tragic are just noise in this discussion and not really an issue for government, they need to look at the big picture and advocate accordingly. The issue needs to be acknowledged at the very least and risks identified. People can take their chances with their own health after that.

He's not saying anything but there is a disturbing signal that the chief medical officer etc is not talking about. We should be getting an acknowledgment at least and some information on what's being done about it, not head in the sand stuff.

There's more to it than the covid wave.
https://youtu.be/av4Ej6om0WI

The system as it stands is designed to keep you perfectly dependent and sick. The only answer is do what ever you need to do to not be dependent and therefore not need to engage with it. Healthy looking doctors and nurses are even a rare breed now.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-41044790.html
Kerry musician Seamus Begley

If you want to lose weight then you need a calorie deficit. I.e. more going out than is coming in. Intermittent fasting, keto, etc etc are just ways of achieving that. The best one is the one you are going to enjoy and therefore be able to stick to.

https://youtu.be/66hWntvp0_4
Not really that simple. We can't equate human nutrition to shovelling coal into a steam boiler.

ain't watching all that lol. Fact of the matter is if you aren't burning more than you consume then you won't lose weight.

If it's working for you keep 'er lit, I'm not sure how long you'll sustain it beyond a few months though.

If you want to lose weight then you need a calorie deficit. I.e. more going out than is coming in. Intermittent fasting, keto, etc etc are just ways of achieving that. The best one is the one you are going to enjoy and therefore be able to stick to.

https://youtu.be/66hWntvp0_4
Not really that simple. We can't equate human nutrition to shovelling coal into a steam boiler.