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I had heard that in Italy it started off that if you were over 75 you wouldn't get a ventilator but then with so many cases that ended up down at 40(a few weeks ago so may have lowered) 

Very sad for someone to live their life so long and then to die just like that and when you look at how the UK have handled it thus far it has been very poor as you'd expect from Johnston and Cummings. Very little care for people like the elderly.

The Italy statistic is incorrect. There always are some seriously inaccurate statistic being reported by the press but it seems now that there is nothing else to report on they just make up what they want.

We're the occupied 6 and you're the free state - that's how it works...

Yeah south managed it a lot better. They reckon 3k here on "wave 1". Jesus.

I actually think the north will have benefited from flybe couping and the fact that there were 25% less flights for a good bit during this. Will never know whether that holds or not mind you but it should at least have lessened traffic.

I actually think the north will benefit from the GAA's advice early doors. In rural areas the social distancing was practised as soon as pitches were closed 

I actually think Robin Swann has been excellent throughout this crisis

So much more disappointed with Arlene & Michelle - if they want to shut manufacturing & construction they should come out & say that they are not essential & can be Furloughed - any thing other than this is unsettling lip service!

Can I just ask if they have the power to do this? Would it be a vote again led by SF and the SDLP and the Unionists and Alliance go against it because Boris is saying different?
I actually think Robin Swann is coming out of this a lot more competent than most of his colleagues on the hill.

No but their leading employees down the path that they will be furloughed when in fact there is no guarantee whatsoever they will be - pitting employer against employee at the most difficult of times.

Hearing that employers aren't happy with the furloughed proposal and when looked at in depth they will not come out well and could close many companies. They still have to pay tax, pension and ni contributions whilst they have effectively ceased trading, and so no money coming in. There doesn't appear to be an opt out if you do put employees on furlough, and there is no time limit on how long this is all going to last. I'm not sure how most companies could sign up to that. Whilst it appears good for the employee, it appears to be of little help to the employer and the longer the lockdown goes on, it will ultimately close companies anyway.

Has anyone else looked into it or sought advice? The government need to provide a better understanding of how this is going to work before companies can sign up to it.
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What happens if this takes longer than three months to sort? It doesn't add up where I work to pay 50 employees employees £160 000 over the next 3 months with nothing coming in, because accounts will not open to pay us.

imo any business that can't survive 2 months esp with government help is not being properly managed. All companies should have some kind of disaster fund for times like this, it is unprecedented yes but not unthinkable. i guarantee many of them will use this situation to fundamentally change the way they operate but not for their workers benefit that's for sure 

Are you serious? Have you any idea what margins companies work off just to get contracts?
Closing anything non essential is the only way to stop the spread of this virus. Just don't expect your job to still be there when you return.

I actually think Robin Swann has been excellent throughout this crisis

So much more disappointed with Arlene & Michelle - if they want to shut manufacturing & construction they should come out & say that they are not essential & can be Furloughed - any thing other than this is unsettling lip service!

Can I just ask if they have the power to do this? Would it be a vote again led by SF and the SDLP and the Unionists and Alliance go against it because Boris is saying different?
I actually think Robin Swann is coming out of this a lot more competent than most of his colleagues on the hill.

So just to clarify in Spain there is no work? This is what I thought but my line manager has told me otherwise and that a lockdown does not involve manufacturing and the like closing down. It is so unclear and frustrating as I for one would rather have my health and my families health than come in to earn a quid

This is not a sprint, it is a marathon. Sure you can "lockdown' for a couple of weeks, but then you have to reactivate production and people still have to cop themselves on. The WHO have pointed out that you can't close the world, that you need to track the disease and isolate people who have and everyone they met recently.

The Lockdown needs to be done to reduce the needs for the ICU teams, then relax it a bit then put it back on when the numbers increase, that needs repeated till they get a vaccine.

Fine. But you have to test and trace while doing all this and the wasters in Stormont are threatening us all by their refusal to do this.

My understanding of it is that Michelle O'Neill is calling for this so I am assuming the directive has to come from Boris as Arlene is against it.
Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.

I seldom see a Tricolour at Club grounds.
When the new All Ireland State comes there will be a new flag.
Meanwhile sports organisations in the North should simply fly their Organisations flag.

I will not be commenting on any reply you make to this but as someone who resides in the North, I for one am just sick of your absolute crap. The fact you meant this and not as a wind up shows you really have no clue about what you be talking about on this matter no matter what spoof you come out with.

So the dinosaur as he was called actually has a bit of experience behind him as to what might happen.

Have Carmen ever considered a thirds team? Surely they'd easily have the numbers for this. It would be interesting to see how the reserves for biggest teams in the county get on in junior football.

They had one a few years ago.

Yeah, thought they would walk the Junior league IIRC.  Turns out reserve teams are reserve teams for a reason.

That is so untrue. Actually Carrickmore pulled out of it because they had to field older retired players to fulfil the fixture. Players were given a choice and they would rather be part of a "senior panel" which is your reserves and seniors, than go and play for the thirds.

This is a great post Norf.
These are the reasons the clubs voted against it. A club would suffer in whole because a few clubs cant field reserve teams.
So it turns out Carrickmore are not the only one against it WT4E :-)
You do know i was only goading earlier dont you......

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Couldn't believe when I heard the result.  It was like the shock of the referendum all over again only this time remain won when you would have thought leave would have come through by a landslide.

My biggest gripe is that there seems to be very little to no engagement whatsoever from clubs and their actual reserve players.  From speaking to a number of reserve players, a lot where in favour of this new system but nobody bothered to ask them on their thoughts or views which I find the most disappointing aspect and shows a total lack of respect from the clubs towards their own reserve players. 

A few old heads at the top of each club calling the shots.  The gammons have won again.  Welcome to Brexit Tyrone.

As I said earlier Carrickmore did consult there senior squad and their was no appetite for it at all. The lads in their mid to late 20s said they would retire if they were not on the senior squad, which wouldnt be possible if the reserve were playing on a different day.
Maybe if WT4E or his Kildress club had of followed Carrickmores path on player development they wouldnt be in Division. Why would we vote to change something that is working for us?

Dromore won the Division 1 reserve league by playing 7 SEVEN games.

That's Division 1.

When you look some of the so-called 'small' clubs that managed to field in most/all their reserve games, then perhaps it's worth considering the notion that it's not the system/format that needs changed, but the attitude of the clubs who don't bother their hole putting effort or emphasis on their reserve structures and haven't the foresight to consider how a strong reserve panel can be of benefit to the senior team when they are training as one unit under one management.

This is the most sensible thing I have heard on here on this debate. Our players were consulted and they did not want the reserves and seniors segregated at all.
If the reserve competition runs away week after week then I do not see a problem with fixture fulfilment. It is the break in momentum that is the problem and there is simply no excuse for not playing reserve fixtures week in week out in the same division that your senior team is in, developing young players to the max without making them feel inferior by telling them they can not train with the senior squad tonight because there is a reserve match tomorrow. 

As a club that has dual players the underage system may create a problem or two among coaches though

A lot of good points in the last couple of posts. I think something has to be tried to sort it out as it can't continue the way it is. Only thing I would say is that it does work in other counties like Down who think Tyrone's method is mad.

Also to add to the early comments - Currently you also have the lad falling between two stools or the opposite - he performs well in the reserve game gets hooked at half time cause the seniors see him as an option off the bench but then sometimes the way the senior game goes he will not be used. So you have a lad itching for football getting 30mins in a B game. On the flip side of that there will be someone who will put in a good shift in a full reserve game and then due to an early injury maybe asked to come on 15 mins into a senior game and end up playing 1.75 games! If the two games where played on separate days this would sort this i
I think play the first few on Saturdays due to light issues - once the longer evenings come in and Uni still on play them on Friday nights - Most senior panels train on a Friday night and tend to do light sessions as they will have a game on Sunday so will not require big numbers for a useful session. And then during summer there should be plenty of evenings for games to be moved around to suit. Games beat training all day long in developing Senior players!

Tuesday - Senior/Reserve training (Pick reserve squad)
Friday - Senior training
Friday/Saturday - Reserve game
Sunday - Senior game.

The standard in Tyrone is train Friday nights owing to college and work commitments. This may provide a problem if reserve games fixed Friday as management resources will be stretched, and senior management will not be able to view reserves playing well. I would guess Saturday is the best option, but it may mean an extra day out for some people.
Either way, it is good to see efforts to make change. It is very apparent the past few years it is not working. To be fair to CCC, their hands are tied by central fixture planners. It is worth a try at least. Plus games are regional so not much traveling is required, and reserves will be playing at a standard to suit themselves and not their seniors.

Training twice a week is nowhere near enough to be a successful at senior level. I cant believe that people cant see that all the GAA wants is an elitist county system with a Sunday morning soccer pub league club set up. The next step is the county owns the club players and they will only be available for the championship.
The 4 x 12 leagues will work and should have been tried again before now.
The underage proposals will work but the way I see it is that the clubs with the larger numbers will dominate the competitions but i feel that the participations numbers will drop as a result.

They were safe when they were put out of the championship and the target turned to the U21s. They lost the last 5 league games. There were lads starting in senior games who were not making the reserve team earlier in the year never mind the senior championship panel.
Regardless of who Carrickmore beat to get there, a senior semi final and and an U21 championship is a fine return for a team in massive transition. I would have high hopes of the club competing for senior titles again within a couple of years. Johnny Monroe's return is massive both on the field and off it with the influence he has with young players.