We wish ;D
Hope not !
Ha ha! Bring them on ;)
BRING IT ON ;D
Ya had to go and jinx it Fear on Strath Ban!!
Evan Canavan saying Dublin were the team to avoid!!!!
Come on...
That's the end of the road for Tyrone !
Quote from: tyroneboi on August 03, 2008, 06:09:06 PM
Ya had to go and jinx it Fear on Strath Ban!!
If we're good enough, we'll need to beat those who
think they're the best ;)
I can smell
DUBSFORSAM1 crapping himself from here!
Dublin are much better than Tyrone - The only positive is that Tyrone have nothing to lose - no one expects them to win and most people didn't expect them to be in the draw for the last 8.
I'd say there'll be a full house for this one ! ;)
Quote from: orangeman on August 03, 2008, 06:12:42 PM
Dublin are much better than Tyrone...
You're swallowing the hype
orangeman, glad you're not on the team ;)
Absolutely delighted with the draw as if we are going to win Sam we need some tough matches and Tyrone are a slight step up from Wexford potentially, with Armagh a step further and then hopefully Kerry in the final.....
If we win that this year then there can be absolutely no claim of an easy draw or being lucky etc...
Tie of the round. Tyrone yet to really play out of their skins, dublin yet to be pushed into top gear. Tyrone have nothing to lose, and all to gain over a team who have yet to beat us in championship fare at the business end of the season in recent times. A loss this weekend for this dublin team will be simply disasterous - they cannot even contemplate losing this one. One thing is for sure - mickey harte will have tyrone a hard team to beat. I dont think form will count for much in this game. T'wil be a battle royal! ;D
Tyrone to shade an ugly game by 2.
When will this be ? Has to be Saturday doesn't it ?
Dunlin should win this one, especially if Harte seems to be the only man in Ireland who sees Sean Cavanagh as a full forward.
Definitely on next weekend and part of a double header .........unless Galway "agree" to play their game v Kerry in Limerick/Salthill and Armagh "agree" to play in Clones.
Could potentially be the making of this Tyrone team and would definitely be the end of the road for Dublin. Would be fairly confident that our defence can handle the Dublin attack. Midfield and forward is a big worry though at this stage. Sean Cav needs to start at midfield and take Whelan on a tour of Croke Park and leave Ryan to big Enda. Tommy cant have as bad a game as he had yesterday and I would keep a double substitution of Brian McGuigan and Mulligan for the last 20 minutes and hopefully Mugsy can be inspired like 3 years ago (cant believe its been that long). Think we can squeeze through if we can keep it a low scoring game.
Fellow Dubs posters, lets relax a bit and enjoy this trashtalking. Jeez, I don't think I will bother showing up for the game as Tyrone have obviously won it already.
Quote from: Canalman on August 03, 2008, 06:36:26 PM
...I don't think I will bother showing up for the game as Tyrone have obviously won it already.
The publicans will be happy then ;)
Quote from: Down Gael on August 03, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
Galway are something of an unknown quantity. Beating Mayo doesnt say much, even Tyrone managed that.
10/10 for the brass neck, after that embarrassment in Croke yesterday.
Quote from: tyroneboi on August 03, 2008, 06:34:19 PM
Could potentially be the making of this Tyrone team and would definitely be the end of the road for Dublin. Would be fairly confident that our defence can handle the Dublin attack. Midfield and forward is a big worry though at this stage. Sean Cav needs to start at midfield and take Whelan on a tour of Croke Park and leave Ryan to big Enda. Tommy cant have as bad a game as he had yesterday and I would keep a double substitution of Brian McGuigan and Mulligan for the last 20 minutes and hopefully Mugsy can be inspired like 3 years ago (cant believe its been that long). Think we can squeeze through if we can keep it a low scoring game.
It's Ryan you should be worried about.
This should be a stand alone fixture on Saturday week ;) as we need a break before facing the dubs.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2008, 06:38:48 PM
It's Ryan you should be worried about.
Yeah, quaking in our boots FFS.
If there is the mooted extra week to make this a stand alone fixture I would fancy Tyrone to take the Dubs. they on are on tha back of a couple of hard games and with an extra weeks rest tehy will be raring to go. The dubs on the other hand have been idle now for a few weeks. They have not been pushed in Leinster as they are a step above everyone they have played and have won it at about 60% of their capacity. The difference is though can they go from a virtual standing start to 100 miles an hour? I really don't know
. there is nothing that prpares players for championship games than playing more championship games. Tyrone will clog the space around the middle. They will play McGinley and mellonh there and bring Cavanagh out from 12. They will force the Dublin forarwds into corners and isolat them. When the Dubs are isolated they loss the run of where they are going and become very disjointed. Although I would prefer to play dublin if we are able to get over Wexford I fear that Tyrone will have too much for them and that tactically Harte is more clever than Pillar and will get the big calls right on the day.
Tyrone by 3.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2008, 06:38:48 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on August 03, 2008, 06:34:19 PM
Could potentially be the making of this Tyrone team and would definitely be the end of the road for Dublin. Would be fairly confident that our defence can handle the Dublin attack. Midfield and forward is a big worry though at this stage. Sean Cav needs to start at midfield and take Whelan on a tour of Croke Park and leave Ryan to big Enda. Tommy cant have as bad a game as he had yesterday and I would keep a double substitution of Brian McGuigan and Mulligan for the last 20 minutes and hopefully Mugsy can be inspired like 3 years ago (cant believe its been that long). Think we can squeeze through if we can keep it a low scoring game.
It's Ryan you should be worried about.
Ryan is having a good season but have you not seen Enda this year? He has been just as good and is in the form of his life (like Ryan). If theres one man on the Tyrone team to deal with Ryan its Enda.
In fairness to Enda McGinley, although he has a tremendous work rate, he doesn't have Ryans athleticism.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
In fairness to Enda McGinley, although he has a tremendous work rate, he doesn't have Ryans athleticism.
Are you the new Dublin PRO
Jinxy?
Ryan ran riot against Wexford, but do you really think he'll get that latitude against ourselves?
No doubt that he's improved in marked steps over the last few years, but really, do you really think he'll have such free-reign in the next game?
By the way, DUBSFORSAM1, INDIANA, His Holiness, Tankie, GNevin, etc., think you're doing a wonderful job ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
In fairness to Enda McGinley, although he has a tremendous work rate, he doesn't have Ryans athleticism.
I have to disagree there jinxy. The one thing about McGinley is that he has an engine like a steam train and gets through an awful lot of work. Ryan may have bulked up and gets through a lot of tough work but Mcginley I think would have the legs for him.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
In fairness to Enda McGinley, although he has a tremendous work rate, he doesn't have Ryans athleticism.
On a similar note, will Whelan be able to stop Cavanagh? He has arguably got better since 2005 and Whelan is very much heading in the direction of retirement within a year or two. Should be a very interesting midfield battle. Though in fairness although i mentioned in a previous post about Cavanagh perhaps starting at midfield, do Dublin have a defender to cope with him if he plays at 11 or 14??
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2008, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
In fairness to Enda McGinley, although he has a tremendous work rate, he doesn't have Ryans athleticism.
Are you the new Dublin PRO Jinxy?
Ryan ran riot against Wexford, but do you really think he'll get that latitude against ourselves?
No doubt that he's improved in marked steps over the last few years, but really, do you really think he'll have such free-reign in the next game?
By the way, DUBSFORSAM1, INDIANA, His Holiness, Tankie, GNevin, etc., think you're doing a wonderful job ;)
I just tell it like it is.
Perfect draw for Dublin - if this Dublin team are to finally win the AI, they'll be doing it the hard way this year.
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
i'm a complete dublin sceptic as everyone here knows. i don't believe dublin have been tested properly yet, but I'm struggling to see the current Tyrone team beating us next week. if they do, Harte should be canonised because he hasn't anything like the team he had in 2005. Tyrone need all the big guns starting and take it from there.
Its a good draw for Dublin because its shit or burst for the current crew. to beat tyrone,armagh to even get to the all-ireland final will either make or break it. My biggest fear was getting kildare, beat them by 10 points and learn nothing. Either way we'll find out whether we are good enough. and if we're not we may as well find out against tyrone or armagh.
do a wonderful job by all means, but not one of the tyrone forward line frightens me. in 2005 mc guigan,mulligan and o neill ran us ragged. Dublin's defence is still a work in progress but i'm not sure tyrone can exploit it. Armagh could though if the two sides ever meet.
Not playing too well in the qualifiers - get the dubs in the quarter finals - play armagh in the semis and kerry in the final. Have we been here before!! Cant wait!!
Good draw. Dublin going into it as massive favourites. Tyrone not expected to come close. A Dublin side that has to deliver Sam to the capital.
If Tyrone beat Dublin ( with all the expectation Dublin has ) it would be one hell of a kick in the balls
Tis better to go out now than a semi of worse lose a final. Wouldnt it be wonderfull if a game of football broke out in Croker next weekend, instead of what we have seen today and yesterday?
Dubs will be favs for this.. thank God I dont know any.
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Perfect draw for Dublin - if this Dublin team are to finally win the AI, they'll be doing it the hard way this year.
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
maybe you will get Paddy Russell and he can hand you another win
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Perfect draw for Dublin - if this Dublin team are to finally win the AI, they'll be doing it the hard way this year.
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
When was the last time they met were it wasnt an open game of football?
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Perfect draw for Dublin - if this Dublin team are to finally win the AI, they'll be doing it the hard way this year.
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
Gamesmanship? What, like screaming into the faces of the opposition after scoring like the hateful jackeens yis are!!!!! A strong ref? What, ye mean one with the balls to send off Whelan without fear of the Hill? Aye, like the man says, you'll probably get yer oul mate Paddy Russell
Quote from: red hander on August 03, 2008, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Perfect draw for Dublin - if this Dublin team are to finally win the AI, they'll be doing it the hard way this year.
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
Gamesmanship? What, like screaming into the faces of the opposition after scoring like the hateful jackeens yis are!!!!! A strong ref? What, ye mean one with the balls to send off Whelan without fear of the Hill? Aye, like the man says, you'll probably get yer oul mate Paddy Russell
:D
Very true, you got to love the brass neck of the dubs
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2008, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: red hander on August 03, 2008, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Perfect draw for Dublin - if this Dublin team are to finally win the AI, they'll be doing it the hard way this year.
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
Gamesmanship? What, like screaming into the faces of the opposition after scoring like the hateful jackeens yis are!!!!! A strong ref? What, ye mean one with the balls to send off Whelan without fear of the Hill? Aye, like the man says, you'll probably get yer oul mate Paddy Russell
:D
Very true, you got to love the brass neck of the dubs
So Pints - When did Dublin do any of that this season??? This season did anyone start hitting guys like Gormley did to Mortimer after the goal, did they blatantly lie on the ball like Dooher/McMenamin?
Cavanagh has never gotten the better of Whelan at winning posession in midfield and even in 05 they had to move him out as he was being dominated...
Do Tyrone have the defenders to keep the Dublin forwards quiet - after watching yesterday its unlikely...
Its a great draw and should be a great game. There is no doubt that Tyrone will perform better than they did today. Their chances will increase further if the match is delayed a week.
I would be hopeful of a Dublin victory, but there is the big caveat that we probably haven't beaten a team as good as Tyrone in the championship since we beat Tyrone in '95.
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So Pints - When did Dublin do any of that this season??? This season did anyone start hitting guys like Gormley did to Mortimer after the goal, did they blatantly lie on the ball like Dooher/McMenamin?
I never said Tyrone weren't as bad as yous.
I think Dublin will win with quite a bit to spare.
seems that its now the 16th, that isn't good from our point of view, and is great from tyrone's view.
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Priceless ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The Dubs are hot favourites with the bookies - 4/9 with Ladbrokes and 8/15 with Paddy Power - with Tyrone 9/4 and 15/8 I don't think Tyrone have been such large underdogs since the 2000 game with Armagh.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2008, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: red hander on August 03, 2008, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Perfect draw for Dublin - if this Dublin team are to finally win the AI, they'll be doing it the hard way this year.
A strong ref needed as Tyrone will be up to their usual gamesmanship and won't want to let an open game of football develop - Banty's brother or any other nordie ref better not be appointed.
Gamesmanship? What, like screaming into the faces of the opposition after scoring like the hateful jackeens yis are!!!!! A strong ref? What, ye mean one with the balls to send off Whelan without fear of the Hill? Aye, like the man says, you'll probably get yer oul mate Paddy Russell
:D
Very true, you got to love the brass neck of the dubs
So Pints - When did Dublin do any of that this season??? This season did anyone start hitting guys like Gormley did to Mortimer after the goal, did they blatantly lie on the ball like Dooher/McMenamin?
Cavanagh has never gotten the better of Whelan at winning posession in midfield and even in 05 they had to move him out as he was being dominated...
Do Tyrone have the defenders to keep the Dublin forwards quiet - after watching yesterday its unlikely...
"Hitting guys" I'm sure Whelan and yourselves were horrified watching that. What did Whelan score over the 2 games in 05?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 08:17:24 PM
Do Tyrone have the defenders to keep the Dublin forwards quiet - after watching yesterday its unlikely...
With the same 6 as yesterday and the Leinster Final I'd envision Gourley / Quinn, Justy / Keaney, Gormley / Brogan the elder, Harte / Brogan the younger, Ricey / Sherlock and Jordan / Connolly.
If it transpires like that I don't think the Dubs will rack up a massive score - the only one I'd worry about is Davy on Brogan.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 03, 2008, 08:34:34 PM
The Dubs are hot favourites with the bookies - 4/9 with Ladbrokes and 8/15 with Paddy Power - with Tyrone 9/4 and 15/8 I don't think Tyrone have been such large underdogs since the 2000 game with Armagh.
I have called the da and he is putting a sizeable bet on for me on Tyrone, they have an extra week to prepare and i think that will tip the scales in their favour. 9/4 is too good to pass up.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 03, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 08:17:24 PM
Do Tyrone have the defenders to keep the Dublin forwards quiet - after watching yesterday its unlikely...
With the same 6 as yesterday and the Leinster Final I'd envision Gourley / Quinn, Justy / Keaney, Gormley / Brogan the elder, Harte / Brogan the younger, Ricey / Sherlock and Jordan / Connolly.
If it transpires like that I don't think the Dubs will rack up a massive score - the only one I'd worry about is Davy on Brogan.
Well Connolly likely to be full forward with Keaney out in the half forwards and after yesterday I expect Brogan to take Gormley...
Looks like we're the two most loathed counties in Ireland anyway lads, so mutually solidarity in adversity and all that ;)
When is the game? Coming weekend or the one after?
I'm busy the weekend after, but free this....
i think this is the big game that tyrone need and an extra week's rest will certainly help too. colm o'rourke said a couple of weeks ago on rte that altough he was impressed with dublin he thought they would be found out eventually in their full back line. will it be by tyrone? must get out the sam 05 dvd which has full coverage of the first tyrone v dublin game in 2005 to compare the 2 teams from then to now!
Quote from: ziggysego on August 03, 2008, 09:31:26 PM
When is the game? Coming weekend or the one after?
I'm busy the weekend after, but free this....
match is on 16th as a stand-alone. throw in at 4
galway/kerry and armagh/wexford is this coming saturday
cork/kildare is on before the hurling semi nxt sunday
will the minors not even get playing before it?
I don't know...it just says on rte teletext that the 4 quarter finals have been all announced for croke park. Doesn't mention minors or anything.
Excellent, Martin Carney has just written us completely off saying that we're "not a patch on the 2005 Tyrone team". But then, he wrote us off completely in 2005 too! :D Gotta luv the 'pundits', gotta luv 'em!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2008, 10:38:34 PM
Excellent, Martin Carney has just written us completely off saying that we're "not a patch on the 2005 Tyrone team". But then, he wrote us off completely in 2005 too! :D Gotta luv the 'pundits', gotta luv 'em!
Obviously we're not the same team we were in 2005 and we haven't been great so far this year but there's definetly signs of some of the old play coming back. The defence is very good and midfield is improving. I'm just praying that Mugsy is near ready for a good 70 mins. I'm very confident that we'll give the dubs a good match and I'm reasonably confident that we can beat them. Most of the pundits are just trying to make themselves bigger names. Though I think Dara O is as good a pundit as there is at the moment.
This is the current information on the GAA.ie website; how can we book accomodation and travel with this info.
http://www.gaa.ie/page/football_championship_2008.html
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship Qualifier Round 3
Páirc an Chrócaigh 2.00pm Fear Manach v Cill Dara Live RTE2
Referee: Aidan Mangan (Ciarraí)
(E.T. if Necessary)
Páirc an Chrócaigh 4.00pm Ciarraí v Muineachán Live TV3
Referee: Maurice Deegan (Laois)
(E.T. if Necessary)
9th/10th
All Ireland Minor & Senior Football Championship Quarter Finals (4)
24th
All Ireland Minor and Senior Football Championship Semi-Finals (Connacht/QF V Munster/QF)
31st All Ireland Minor and Senior Football Championship Semi-Finals (Leinster/QF V Ulster/QF)
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 03, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 08:17:24 PM
Do Tyrone have the defenders to keep the Dublin forwards quiet - after watching yesterday its unlikely...
With the same 6 as yesterday and the Leinster Final I'd envision Gourley / Quinn, Justy / Keaney, Gormley / Brogan the elder, Harte / Brogan the younger, Ricey / Sherlock and Jordan / Connolly.
If it transpires like that I don't think the Dubs will rack up a massive score - the only one I'd worry about is Davy on Brogan.
Well Connolly likely to be full forward with Keaney out in the half forwards and after yesterday I expect Brogan to take Gormley...
At the opening game of the NFL in Croke (under lights) in 2007, Brogan played well in the first half. At half time Conor Gormley was moved onto him and the story goes that the garda arrested Conor after the game to
help them in their investigations as to the disappearance of Brogan during the second half.
Quote from: 20leg-end08 on August 03, 2008, 10:46:04 PM
Though I think Dara O is as good a pundit as there is at the moment.
Agree completely there, I think he's just about the best around, closely followed by Tohill.
Quote from: time ticking away on August 03, 2008, 10:49:18 PM
At the opening game of the NFL in Croke (under lights) in 2007, Brogan played well in the first half. At half time Conor Gormley was moved onto him and the story goes that the garda arrested Conor after the game to
help them in their investigations as to the disappearance of Brogan during the second half.
;D
The Dubs have no end of bad memories against this particular Tyrone team, but by Jesus we've a whole lot more retribution to exact for '95, a whole lot more! ;D
Quote from: time ticking away on August 03, 2008, 10:49:18 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 03, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 08:17:24 PM
Do Tyrone have the defenders to keep the Dublin forwards quiet - after watching yesterday its unlikely...
With the same 6 as yesterday and the Leinster Final I'd envision Gourley / Quinn, Justy / Keaney, Gormley / Brogan the elder, Harte / Brogan the younger, Ricey / Sherlock and Jordan / Connolly.
If it transpires like that I don't think the Dubs will rack up a massive score - the only one I'd worry about is Davy on Brogan.
Well Connolly likely to be full forward with Keaney out in the half forwards and after yesterday I expect Brogan to take Gormley...
At the opening game of the NFL in Croke (under lights) in 2007, Brogan played well in the first half. At half time Conor Gormley was moved onto him and the story goes that the garda arrested Conor after the game to
help them in their investigations as to the disappearance of Brogan during the second half.
Just a pity the game is 18 months later and is on a summers day not a winters night and Gormley is in poor form and Brogan is playing a lot better...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2008, 10:52:08 PM
Just a pity the game is 18 months later and is on a summers day not a winters night and Gormley is in poor form and Brogan is playing a lot better...
yeah yeah yeah... talk is cheap ;)
This should be the worst tie of the round. Both teams have a tendency to dive and use adverse tactics. I think I'll give this one a miss to be honest.
Quote9th/10th
All Ireland Minor & Senior Football Championship Quarter Finals (4)
It's a good thing someone didn't go ahead and book flights for the 16th thinking the Tyrone/Dublin match would be on the 9th/10th.....
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2008, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on August 03, 2008, 11:03:32 PM
This should be the worst tie of the round. Both teams have a tendency to dive and use adverse tactics. I think I'll give this one a miss to be honest.
Thank fcuk you won't make it, your discomfort would kill me!
I didn't think it would be so easy, but you proved me wrong... :D
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Just logged in this thread will hit the 70 + pages I reckon . Have not seen the Tyrone Mayo game so cannot judge how good or not Tyrone are but most Tyrone fans are confident that the form is back .
Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2008, 11:18:52 PM
Just logged in this thread will hit the 70 + pages I reckon . Have not seen the Tyrone Mayo game so cannot judge how good or not Tyrone are but most Tyrone fans are confident that the form is back .
Not sure that we are John, but the Jacks will bring whatever we have to bring out, back out.
Any word of when Tyrone minors play ? Will it be in Croker on the same day by any chance ?
The Dubs are well pissed off the game was moved from the 9th....they are agitating to get the DCB to get it changed back....bit too late now lads.
http://www.reservoirdubs.com/forum/index.php?topic=3304.30 (http://www.reservoirdubs.com/forum/index.php?topic=3304.30)
With the extra time allowed giving Tyrone a massive lift they could well squeeze into a semi final.
I can see Pillar choking again and getting spooked into doing something particularly stupid and passing this onto his long tormented players who proceed to hand the game to Tyrone
I think Dublin will win this by 3-4 points, they have a really impressive forward line, a good midfield and decent backs. And IMO Tyrone's best day's are behind them, I have seen nothing this year to suggest that Tyrone can live with Dublin and I expect a Dublin/Kerry final to transpire.
QuoteI can see Pillar choking again and getting spooked into doing something particularly stupid and passing this onto his long tormented players who proceed to hand the game to Tyrone
Agreed. I'm constantly amazed at how amatuerish Dublin are in their mental approach and their reaction to events. Any top side has to adapt to the uncertainty of the championship whether its a long lay-off as a provincial winner (I think we had 6 weeks last year) or playing 2 games within a week in the qualifiers. This lark about having their "training plans" disrupted is hilarious. A meticulous approach to preparation is admirable but if you cant adjust to events a week before a game what chance do you have when things go to shite during the game itself. I'm amazed that anyone in the Dublin camp has commented at all. They should have just publicly said they will take whatever comes and then let their county board men get on with it looking after their interests in the background.
Dublin have the players and ability to beat, even hammer, Tyrone but they wont. It seems that no matter what happens they end up with some self-created hulabuloo to deal with. If they played next week they'd have worked themselves into a lather about only getting 15000 tickets. Now they'll work themselves into a lather about the disrupted "training plans" instead. Thank god I'm not a Dublin fan, I honestly feel for the
genuine Dublin fan given their fate is in the hands of such a reactionary management set-up and a huge "fan" base that continually distract them from their goal with all this mawkish, must-acknowledge-the-hill type attitude.
I have a lot of admiration for Dublin players and their real fans. I want Dublin to win the All Ireland - I think they would have won at least one in recent years if they had a different manager. He has shown signs of improvement this year and they appear to have some other quality up front to partner Alan Brogan, however I suspect when the pressure is really on Pillar will cost them again. I hope I'm wrong.
Great draw for the dubs. Tyrone are done. Looks to me like they have one hand on Sam Maguire already. What a sight that will be the him emptying into Croke Park as the Dubs lift Sam, its theres, they deserve it with their total domination in leinster, and I for one think it would be great for the GAA if Dublin were to win Sam. I can almost see Sam glistening in the september sunshine as Whelo and Ryanair hold her aloft in the Open Top bus in a thronged O Connell Street. I can envisage Piller lying on a Dubai beach with Brian Talty on the team holiday whispering "we did it, this years glory was all ours." I have a sneaking feeling that the Dubs could get a record number of all stars this year and Ryanair looks to have wrapped up the player of the year to boot. Cant ye just see it guys?
It's the stuff of dreams rrhf, Dublin for Sam.
Someone said that on RTE after the match on Sat Dooher said 'we'll have a couple of weeks rest now sure'.
Did he know something we didn't ?
with all due respect mike your crowd did a great whinge after your crap performance against monaghan last year. it was all " 6 week breaks" etc. the reality is you were absolutely shite on the day and should have been beaten. So maybe the next time Mike before you post , engage the dormant organ inside your mallet and then post , rather than posting shite like the above.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 04, 2008, 09:11:55 AM
Someone said that on RTE after the match on Sat Dooher said 'we'll have a couple of weeks rest now sure'.
Did he know something we didn't ?
Everybody knew we were getting Dublin - didn't you ? ;)
Was on the Res dubs site and despite all the usual Jackeen bravado the game being put back to the 16th has unsettled them.
not enough for us to get beaten though ;D.
its unfair on the players, i couldn't give a rats ass for the bandwagon dublin supporters who can't get tickets in a double header situation, but the players had all taken days off work next week , now they have to get those changed, now no matter what county you're from thats pretty unfair. People think i'm whingeing, i'm fed up with the dublin football team being used as an economic cash cow by the gaa. Even Keith Duggan said the same lads, so its not paranoia on my behalf. I'd love our county board to tell them to f**k off and insist on playing next saturday, but they won't.
Tyrone have suffered so much at the hands of the Dubs that motivation will not be a problem
Negatives:
84 - Walked all over us
95 and Paddy Russellgate - Took Tyrones all ireland. Who ever will forget it.
Batlle of Omagh
Decapitation of Dooher (Parnell Park)
Positives:
The team that Mugsy cant lose to - always fabulous against
The Team that Mugsy scores excpetional goals against
Some might say its Dublins term but heres 5 reasons why Tyrone will win
Jayo could hardly make the dublin team 5 years ago now hes number 11 should bea tough one for Gormley!!!!
Brogan soup - mentally these guys are weak and can be rattled.
Mugsy - Who have Dublin got to mark Mugsy. Ive seen this guy training recently and he is flying. Will come into tjis game under the radar.
Shane Ryan - due a bad game- I think it could all go horrible for him on Saturday week.
Dublin dont know their best team yet.
this is the same mugsy who hasn't started a game all season? We're quaking in our boots.Mugsy isn't in the 2005 form and he isn't likely to be in 2 weeks.he was terrific in 2005 but injuries ahve ruined his season and its difficult to see him taking us to the cleaners. O neilll was always the one anyway, an absolute genius who tyrone have never replaced. I always felt O Neill was one of the best forwards of the last 20 years.
Brogan is a top 6 forward in the country, tyrone have no-one currently in that bracket. I'd love to see Tyrone try and rough up Shane Ryan, he'd take great pleasure putting one of them into row x. the man is a force of nature.
Jayo ironically at 33 is better now than he was at 19. strange but thats the way some people develop.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2008, 04:10:54 PM
this is the same mugsy who hasn't started a game all season? We're quaking in our boots.Mugsy isn't in the 2005 form and he isn't likely to be in 2 weeks.he was terrific in 2005 but injuries ahve ruined his season and its difficult to see him taking us to the cleaners. O neilll was always the one anyway, an absolute genius who tyrone have never replaced. I always felt O Neill was one of the best forwards of the last 20 years.
Brogan is a top 6 forward in the country, tyrone have no-one currently in that bracket. I'd love to see Tyrone try and rough up Shane Ryan, he'd take great pleasure putting one of them into row x. the man is a force of nature.
Jayo ironically at 33 is better now than he was at 19. strange but thats the way some people develop.
The point about mugsy is spot on and you would get no arguments from me there. Brogan may be one of the top forwards in the game right now but he will have to be at the top of his game to play well against a Tyrone defence thats is playing pretty well. Ryan is undoubtedly in great shape but he will be coming up against a very strong and athletic Enda Mcginley who I think will be more than fit for him - their tussle will be intruiging I think.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2008, 12:02:18 PM
I'd love our county board to tell them to f**k off and insist on playing next saturday,
It would be a biteen difficult seeing as there are 2 other games on and Tyrone wont be turning up till the following Saturday ::) ::)
Is Dublin's real problem that they wanted to play against some team who'd be out for a 4th weekend in a row? ;)
its irrelevent now, we just wanted to play when we were fixed . a lot of the players had booked friday off next week etc etc. You know its easy for us all to bitch about this and that, but its the players who get screwed over. They have lives outside football, the Gaa tends to forget that and its happened to other counties as well.
Quoteits irrelevent now, we just wanted to play when we were fixed
Would you be happy to go an play in Cavan next Saturday then? Croke Pk is being used for other games.
Mugsy's season in '05 didn't really take off until that goal against Dublin in the first game, and he never looked back from it. Not saying that we're on for a repeat, but Dublin in Croke is definitely Mugsy's favourite tie.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 04, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
Quoteits irrelevent now, we just wanted to play when we were fixed
Would you be happy to go an play in Cavan next Saturday then? Croke Pk is being used for other games.
Even Pearse Park would suit Tyrone, sure our Minors are already playing there this Saturday ;)
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Even Pearse Park would suit Tyrone, sure our Minors are already playing there this Saturday ;)
Longford according to Tyrone website?
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Even Pearse Park would suit Tyrone, sure our Minors are already playing there this Saturday ;)
Longford according to Tyrone website?
Pearse Park.......Longford.
D'oh - I read Parnell Park for some reason
On the drink last night Rois?
Yep, results of two consecutive days on premium/box level, swapping to bar in Jury's at Croke Park till after 1am...
You're beginning to sound like Tony there Rois. You win them?
I know, I thought that. :)
Nah, picked them up from different places. Still spent £50 on two tickets for Sat before I heard about them.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2008, 04:32:07 PM
its irrelevent now, we just wanted to play when we were fixed . a lot of the players had booked friday off next week etc etc. You know its easy for us all to bitch about this and that, but its the players who get screwed over. They have lives outside football, the Gaa tends to forget that and its happened to other counties as well.
So first of all you's were complaining about a 5 week lay off (even though it was less than 4) and the latest excuse is the players had booked Friday off work - thats possibly the most ridiculous excuse Ive ever heard for crying about a game being moved. Someone should tell your players that the game is on a Saturday (not a Friday) and that they all pretty much live within half an hour of the ground, so dont be wasting their holidays from work. If as you say they have lives outside football then someone should let your management know about this and not be expecting the players to act like professionals when they're not. Is it any wonder the Dubs are struggling mentally in big games when theyre getting involved in this.
On another note that reservoir dubs site is a disgrace. Comments like "that stuffering little f_cker" are completely out of line when referring to a gaa player and some of the hatred posted towards other counties is out of line.
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On another note that reservoir dubs site is a disgrace. Comments like "that stuffering little f_cker" are completely out of line when referring to a gaa player and some of the hatred posted towards other counties is out of line.
Was reading some of the stuff on the thread. Shocking altogether. Especially when you think of what orchardcounty nearly got put out of business for. A lot of classless individuals on show.
Absolutely delighted with that draw. Playing the likes of Kildare would have been no use, the Dubs need a tough challenge.
That said, I'm very confident that this Dublin side are a far better side than Tyrones current crop and should both sides play to form and potential, Dublin will win this by 5-8 points.
That said, if Dublin underperform like they are well able to it could all come crashing down.
Overall though its a great draw for Dublin, a tough test, but IF they are to progress to the final (a big if) Tyrone, then Armagh then Kerry are the perfect gradual step up in quality of opposition.
I know the Dubs are reknowned for hyping up their team, and dont get me wrong, I think its an outside shot that Dublin will lift SAM, but the overhyping of Tyrone by their own fans is shocking. I've yet to be impressed by them this year, even when put up against poor sides, they stuttered over the line. Unlike the Dubs against similar quality opposition.
Another point, motivation. When people drag up 1995 etc as motivation for Tyrone, I dont think that will work. They have already played and beaten the Dubs since then, thats out of the system. Whereas the Dubs NEED to beat Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry in the championship to get a serious monkey off their back. I dont think the Dubs will need any motivation for this one as a result of the past few years experience.
Also on a personal level, Tyrone are the one team I would llike to see Dublin beat more than anyone in the championship. Purely based on some of their fans, and the carry on of some of their players in this years championship.
Tyrone fans are the drama queens and geeks of the GAA. Get the f**k over what happened ten, twenty, thirty years ago and stop calling for lifetime imprisonment every time someone carriers out a bad tackle ;)
Overall, Tyrone can beat Dublin, but only if the Dubs let them, if both sides play to their maximum ability, the Dubs will be in the semi final draw.
I wrote Armagh off earlier in the year, but they have changed my mind since then.
If Dublin get past Tyrone, I wont be so confident going into a semi final versus Armagh as I am going into the quarter final.
All in all, to the decent Tyrone fans (many of whom are on here), enjoy the day, and may the best team win.
There are a few decent lads on res dubs. Good honest gaels who know their football. Sadly it's got a little bit nasty lately. No need for it.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2008, 07:04:47 PM
There are a few decent lads on res dubs. Good honest gaels who know their football. Sadly it's got a little bit nasty lately. No need for it.
Havent been there in ages Jinxy. Pity to hear that its gone downhill, theres a good few guys there who really know their stuff. Great source of info as to whats happening in the club football too. Very handy when your club days are now spent amongst mucksavages like yourself ;)
I expect the Dubs to hammer Tyrone. Dublin has the best forward unit in the championship and they will rip Tyrone apart.
Would not worry about Armagh either as they are more hyped than the Dubs themselves. Armagh could not put away a terrible fermanagh side - so how are they going to cope with the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Cork and even Galway?
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2008, 07:04:47 PM
There are a few decent lads on res dubs. Good honest gaels who know their football. Sadly it's got a little bit nasty lately. No need for it.
Havent been there in ages Jinxy. Pity to hear that its gone downhill, theres a good few guys there who really know their stuff. Great source of info as to whats happening in the club football too. Very handy when your club days are now spent amongst mucksavages like yourself ;)
Noble mucksavages if you don't mind.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 04, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
Absolutely delighted with that draw. Playing the likes of Kildare would have been no use, the Dubs need a tough challenge.
That said, I'm very confident that this Dublin side are a far better side than Tyrones current crop and should both sides play to form and potential, Dublin will win this by 5-8 points.
This years Dubs are the stereotypical townie team, if they get on top they are capable of running up huge scores and stuffing teams (see Louth and Wexford) but if you put it up to them then they'll struggle (see Westmeath). Which category do you think this game will fit into?
The last time Tyrone where underdogs it was against what was at the time a highly rated Donegal side and Tyrone gave their best performance since 2005.
This is the game that will make or break this current Dublin side. If there's more than 1 kick of the ball in this at the finish for either side then I'll be surprised.
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on August 04, 2008, 07:17:24 PM
Armagh could not put away a terrible fermanagh side - so how are they going to cope with the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Cork and even Galway?
Did you miss the replay?
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 04, 2008, 07:22:32 PM
If there's more than 1 kick of the ball in this at the finish for either side then I'll be surprised.
Not at all, don't be surprised if the Dubs hammer us, seems like they're a completely (magically) different team from this one below that capitulated under lights in Croke in February '07:
Dublin: S Cluxton; D Henry (0-1), N O'Shea, P Griffin; P Casey, C Moran (capt), G Brennan; D O'Mahony, D Magee (0-1); D Murray, A Brogan (0-1), D Connolly (0-3, 2f); D O'Callaghan (0-1), K Bonner, C Keaney (0-2, 1f).
Subs used: S Ryan for D Magee (49), B Cullen for O'Mahony (54), B Brogan for O'Callaghan (61), C Goggins for Henry (66)
Tyrone: P McConnell; R McMenamin (capt), C McGinley, M McGee; D Harte, D Carlin (0-1), M Penrose; M Murphy, S Cavanagh (0-2, 1f); R Mulgrew (0-2), O Mulligan (0-4, 3f), C Cavanagh (0-1); R Mellon, C Donnelly, E McGinley.
Subs used: C McCullagh (0-1) for Donnelly, K Hughes for Murphy (both half-time), C Gormley for Penrose (46), T McGuigan for E McGinley (66)
Referee: Pat McEnaney (Monaghan)
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on August 04, 2008, 07:17:24 PM
Armagh could not put away a terrible fermanagh side - so how are they going to cope with the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Cork and even Galway?
Did you miss the replay?
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no i did not - if fermanagh had taken their scores in the first half - they would have been well away. McDonald was shackled for most of the match - so how will he fare against a quality defence?[
i'm not going to respond to the rubbish arguments put forward by hoganstand wind up merchants here like tyrone dreamer and the rest of the schoolkids but judging by their comments they wouldn't know anything about the time commitments required at a serious level of football. I suppose ignorance is bliss, so i'll let that one slide.
But if you think some dublin websites have gone downhill, look at the state of this site. There is rarely any good debate anymore and unfortunately the website is punctuated with a lot of Wind Up merchants especially from certain counties up north. Its nothing like it was 18mths ago, and its a pity because its even extended to the moderators who give a lot of leeway to certain posters and apply a different set of rules to others.
I'm not going to say anything more on it.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 04, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
the Dubs NEED to beat Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry in the championship to get a serious monkey off their back.
the reality is the dubs need to win the all ireland even if it means beating antrim in the final - winning the title is the monkey on their back
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2008, 07:47:48 PM
i'm not going to respond to the rubbish arguments put forward by hoganstand wind up merchants here like tyrone dreamer and the rest of the schoolkids but judging by their comments they wouldn't know anything about the time commitments required at a serious level of football. I suppose ignorance is bliss, so i'll let that one slide.
But if you think some dublin websites have gone downhill, look at the state of this site. There is rarely any good debate anymore and unfortunately the website is punctuated with a lot of Wind Up merchants especially from certain counties up north. Its nothing like it was 18mths ago, and its a pity because its even extended to the moderators who give a lot of leeway to certain posters and apply a different set of rules to others.
I'm not going to say anything more on it.
You know someone is in trouble in an arguement here when they throw out these lines. Do you seriously believe Kerry the most successful team in Ireland would have asked their players ahead of the Longford game in Killarney in 06 to book the Friday of work? I have never heard of this before apart from maybe if a team had a very long trip on the Saturday and this would be rare. It'll make for a good excuse though if you's dont win by the 5-8 points that you's are expecting.
Yes compared to a league game in 07 having McConnell/Shaughnessy, Cullen, Cahill, Whelan, Ryan, Quinn, Sherlock, B Brogan in the starting team makes us a weaker team alright...
Quotewith all due respect mike your crowd did a great whinge after your crap performance against monaghan last year. it was all " 6 week breaks" etc. the reality is you were absolutely shite on the day and should have been beaten. So maybe the next time Mike before you post , engage the dormant organ inside your mallet and then post , rather than posting shite like the above.
Now, Now...relax Indiana. You are obviously feeling the pressure but theres no need for that carry on at all, at all. I dont know why you are sh**ting yourself about Tyrone as they didnt look great against Mayo but you obviously are. Show a bit more intestinal fortitude man.
Honestly, its horrible watching the Dubs unravel like this..... Its like seeing a car crash at the same junction every year !
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 04, 2008, 08:17:23 PM
No Leinster love-in with Dublin from me,I hope the nordies hammer them
You're absolved
RLL ;)
We're not that hard up laois lad that we need your support ;). its a pity they abolished the tommy murphy cup it would have given laois somthing to aim for. ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2008, 08:28:27 PM
We're not that hard up laois lad that we need your support ;). its a pity they abolished the tommy murphy cup it would have given laois somthing to aim for. ;D
Sure Tommy Murphy was one of Laois's greatest ever players it would be a honour to win something named after him!
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Quote from: his holiness nb on August 04, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
the Dubs NEED to beat Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry in the championship to get a serious monkey off their back.
the reality is the dubs need to win the all ireland even if it means beating antrim in the final - winning the title is the monkey on their back
The pressure is on Dublin to beat Tyrone handily in this encounter - It's hard to imagine Tyrone beating Dublin but it's easy to imagine the headlines if Dublin were to be beaten ! ;) :D ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2008, 07:47:48 PM
i'm not going to respond to the rubbish arguments put forward by hoganstand wind up merchants here like tyrone dreamer and the rest of the schoolkids but judging by their comments they wouldn't know anything about the time commitments required at a serious level of football. I suppose ignorance is bliss, so i'll let that one slide.
But if you think some dublin websites have gone downhill, look at the state of this site. There is rarely any good debate anymore and unfortunately the website is punctuated with a lot of Wind Up merchants especially from certain counties up north. Its nothing like it was 18mths ago, and its a pity because its even extended to the moderators who give a lot of leeway to certain posters and apply a different set of rules to others.
I'm not going to say anything more on it.
I've more or less stopped posting on here over the last wee while. Still always get a good read of it each day. But have noticed that it's got a bit bitchy but I definitely wouldn't confine it to the Northern counties.
Regarding the game itself I was happy enough with the draw. Tyrone need a good challenge to see if they have actually improved any since the start of the year. And there's nothing like playing the Dubs down in Croker for the atmosphere and the banter before the game. Which is weird considering it seems to be the Tyrone and Dublin ones on here that snipe away at each other. Put I suppose that can be put down to recent history.
To be honest I'll be travelling down in hope more than anything. I feel Tyrone have moved on since the Down game. I think there's a lot more hunger and self belief than back in May. If a couple of the Forwards have a big day at the office ( T McGuigan and McCullagh in particular) then we've got a reasonable chance. Dublin prob do have the best over all attacking six players in the county and it'll be a big test for what is a improving back line for Tyrone. Ricey finally beginning to look like he's hitting form again, Gourley making a big impact at the wkend, Jordan finding his engine again and hopefully McMahon improving again. The only slight worry would be Davey. He's a player I have liked in the past and has been well due his place. But I just think that at the minute on Form there seems to be better opions on the side line. But again, he could come round and put in a stormer so it's only a minor worry.
Midfield will be an interesting encounter. Tyrone never seem to do well from this section. Even on Saturday when the MOTM came from this section we still didn't come close to breaking even. And with Ryan and Whelan they'll be up against it. I'd prob stick with Mellon in the hope Saturday was a blip. Don't think Holmes would have the legs for it especially if he's trying to pick up Ryan. And no doubt Cavanagh will be moved in and out of there at some stage.
In the forward lines different players seem to be hitting form on different days. Penrose changed the game at the wkend when he came on and would prob realish the large pitch. But too often when started he can find it hard to get into a game. So I'd prob hold him of as a sub. Then you have Dooher who has seen a dip in his performances. But he'll always put the effort in no matter how his form is. Then there is the mulligan factor. I just can't see him starting no matter how how well he's doing in training. It would be a huge ask of him. However you can be sure that if there's only a couple of Points in it and he's brought on in the second half he'll be a hugh lift to the team and should lift the supporters that will be massively outnumbered. But it's in McCullagh and Tommy I believe the game will be won or lost. We really need the two of them to be firing on all cylinders. Both in frees and in play.
So all in all both in personnel and form there can be no doubt Dublin adds up to a higher score. And if Tyrone do manage to grab a victory then i fully believe we could consider ourselves as genuine contenders again which even most Tyrone people would admit wasn't really considered at the start of the year. But unfortunately I just think that it's a step to far for them at the minute. But I'll head down and enjoy the weekend anyway. Sure maybe we'll serve up the game of the championship and we'll have a Dublin Tyrone love in on the board. ;)
After the Mayo game on Saturday I was convinced this was as far as Tyrone would go. Too many players simply didn't have that All-Ireland edge needed with only McMenamin, Cavanagh, Jordan, McGinley and Gormley at times driving the team through sheer will-power and tenacity. Mickey made sure we'd done enough by bringing on the likes of a fully fit Penrose to edge the contest from the bench. I feared a quarter-final meltdown and a possible hammering from provincial winners hungry for another scalp.
However, drawing Dublin was the best outcome in hindsight. Let there be no mistake made about this - Dublin have a soft underbelly that can be exposed if a side is good enough to mix the physical with the football. They puff their chests with fake bravado when things are going their way. This approach actually works when up against inferior sides who buy into the Hill effect and the bluster on the field. I remember in 2005 when Dublin led by something like 5 points at half time that I wasn't remotely worried. I knew that when Tyrone upped the ante and began to turn the screw, the Jackeens would revert to the headless chicken routine and confuse hard-hitting championship football with street-fighting. They take the eye off the ball because of an in-grained psyche that uses physicality to cover up footballing inadequacies mixed with 50'000 supporters who don't know the difference either and egg on their players at the wrong time.
The question for Tyrone is whether we can mix it sufficiently in both forms any more. I've no doubt that Tyrone have the men to put it up to Dublin when it comes to letting the opposition know they'll not be rolled over but whether we have the quality to worry the scoreboard at the same time at the highest level, I have my doubts. Cork, Galway and Armagh wouldn't be as easily handled as they'd have the wherewithal to go toe-to-toe and keep their composure and eye on the bigger picture. Tyrone need to press the right buttons with Dublin - it's still the same team, the same management, the same Jackeen mindset. The media can talk about Shane Ryan - Ryan exemplifies why Dublin cannot be taken seriously. Bulk up all you want, run marathons as well, but if you have nothing between the ears you'll only go so far. One important aspect has changed though. In 2005 it was Stevie and Mugsy would hurt them most in the art of scoring, coupled with the complete confusion Canavan caused in their defensive ranks by just standing on the pitch. Those options have gone. We need a new generation to do the same.
If I had to put my mortgage on it, Dublin's bluster to win out against a Tyrone side a level below what is needed. Yet, if there's one match that show what Tyrone 2008 is all about, it's this. There's no hiding place and that's the unknown factor right now.
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Quote from: his holiness nb on August 04, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
the Dubs NEED to beat Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry in the championship to get a serious monkey off their back.
the reality is the dubs need to win the all ireland even if it means beating antrim in the final - winning the title is the monkey on their back
leave us the f**k out of this. At least we've recently won an all-ireland in croke park ;).
the difference in 2005 was o neill, you were better than us. it hadn't much to do with puffing out chests and the rest of the bullshit that tyrone fans crow on about (that and the fact the've only won 2 all-irelands, thats right 2). you had stevie O neill, in my view the best forward of the last decade, canavan a living legend , mc guigan the best centre forward in the game at the time and a flying mulligan. We did remarkably well with a vastly inferior team to bring you to a replay because you were vastly superior to us.
in 2008 you aren't superior to us, you have maybe one forward at the moment who would make the dublin forward line. and i f we get 5 points up early in the second half this time round, you can pack your bags because you haven't the scoring power to reel us back in. Tyrone can beat dublin but only if its a tight ,dour low scoring game. because if its anything else, we will win.
I cannot see us keeping Dublin to less than something like 1-13/0-15 so this is the occasion for some of our unsung forwards to show what they're made of. So far we've hit 2-8, 0-21 (AET), 1-17, 0-14 and 0-13 albeit against weaker opposition - although we scored more against Westmeath than the Dubs did.
who do you propose to do all this scoring? i c an't see you scroing more than one 1-10 to-1-12, especially with our midfield. even with our iffy defence, they havent a stephen o neill or canavan to worry about. i can't see you breaking even at midfield either.
If Dublin are serious about winning the all ireland they need to be beating us convincingly. I can't see them doing that because Tyrone are defenitely getting the bit between their teeth. They know how to win a skill that cannot be taught. One factor will prove the difference between the teams-intelligence. Tyrone most def have it on the line and their leaders have it on the pitch eg Cavanagh coming out the field, McMenamins professional foul in the last few minutes. Dublin don't have that calibre of leader within their ranks both on the line or the pitch. Tyrone by 2 There is much more in the McGuigans and we will see it on Saturday week!!!
Starting from the back - McMenamin, Harte, Jordan, McGinley, Mellon, Dooher, McGuigan x 2, McCullagh, Cavanagh and Penrose have all scored in turn this year in the championship. I may have missed one or two out. Throw in Mulligan and it's not beyonds the realm of possibility that if on-form we can rack up a decent tally.
As for winning/breaking even at midfield - have you not been watching Tyrone for this last 5 years?
Tyrone are in a win-win situation. All pundits will tip Dublin, the bookies will make them hot favourites, the Dubs themselves will expect to beat a side that are not of 03-05 vintage. Mickey is being lauded as a miracle worker getting them this far. Tyrone can go out, relax and express themselves. The Dubs have the weight of 13 years of failure and collapse on their backs. Tyrone still mightn't have enough in the tank to see the Dubs off, but we'll give it a mighty good shot.
Any prices for this match yet - Dublin 1-3 Tyrone 3-1 ???
Yesterday I was thinking this was the worst possible draw for Tyrone. I'm now thinking it's the best. No-one's giving Tyrone a chance, everyone's hyping Dublin. Tyrone are slowly, but surely getting the wheels back on the old team bus and I'm feeling some of the Tyrone of old will come back for this game.
Tyrone by 4 points (including a famous Mulligan goal)
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 03, 2008, 08:34:34 PM
The Dubs are hot favourites with the bookies - 4/9 with Ladbrokes and 8/15 with Paddy Power - with Tyrone 9/4 and 15/8 I don't think Tyrone have been such large underdogs since the 2000 game with Armagh.
There ya go OM
4-9 dublin 9-4 Tyrone. on Betfair
Same as a few others. Tyrone have nothing to lose and against an undoubted good side but as O neill has said a side with a soft underbelly that annually seem to implode. Dublin can waltz through leinster with all the panache you like but in the heat of the knock out stages they have been found wanting. Another factor is the line. Pillars decision making is slow to say the least, if this is anyway a tight game im hopeful that Tyrone can come out on top
God it's class the way a couple of wins can really boost morale amongst players and posters on this site in particular ! ;) ;D
A copule of weeks ago it was over - end of the road - now we've a chance against Dublin ! ;)
If Mickey Harte pulls this one off, it will surely be his biggest ever achievement ( the winnig AI finals excpeted of course ) - he'll go down as the best manager in history. Can he do it ?
After Saturday its hard to know what our strongest team is. Gourley done himself no harm and Joe McMahon did reasonably well. Penrose made a decent impact but I still believe we cant start both him and McCullagh. Mugsy will have had a months training behind him ahead of the next game and must be ready to play for longer than off late. Mellon after 2 goods games struggled on Saturday and might find it difficult in the air v Whelan. Maybe the big game would bring the best out of him like the 05 final. Joe McMahon did well against the Dubs in 05 in midfield and could be the option Harte chooses. Brian McGuigan didnt look on Saturday like he'd have the legs for 70 minutes of high pace football but I hope Im wrong on that one. If I was picking the team now it would be:
Devine
PJ
Justy
Ricey
Gourley
Gormley
Jordan
Joe McMahon
McGinley
Dooher
Mulgrew (if fit enough)
Cavanagh
McCullagh
Tommy
Mugsy
That would leave the likes of Penrose,Mellon and McGuigan to come on and make an impact in the 2nd half.
Quote from: orangeman on August 04, 2008, 09:55:50 PM
If Mickey Harte pulls this one off, it will surely be his biggest ever achievement ( the winnig AI finals excpeted of course ) - he'll go down as the best manager in history. Can he do it ?
Well I'm Mickey's biggest fan. Even in recent months when people have been calling for him to go. If anyone can, Mickey can.
However.... yet again, I'm busy that weekend. What is it with me and the Tyrone fixtures this year? Only games I got to where the two Down games. :(
QuoteColm McCullagh was everywhere on saturday - I think he played the link role very well, and was available for the left footed freetaking - which I think will be important against the dubs, especially if the game gets dragged down.
I'd agree with that, he's a much better option for CF than B McGuigan
at this pointNo need for the two of them in there, at least McCullagh will chip in with 2 or 3 points
not to mention the left footed frees.
t'would leave a vacant spot for maybe Joe in the HF line to act as a 3rd midfielder, Penrose
follaging along with Dooher then McCullagh threading needles to Sean and Tommy.
I am really struggling to see why so many people have dublin hot favourites for this match. What have they done this past year to make them hot favourites against Tyrone? They beat average teams on the way here. Tyrones defence will be seriously tight for this match. Cavanagh (3 this all star) and McGinley will work and work in midfield. Dublins midfield will struggle in the last 20 minutes with the pace of the game. Tyrones forwards have played in patches. There has been some great play. Like the 6 points on the trot against Mayo. This is the game Tyrone have been looking for to inject some passion and pride. Seriously can't wait for this match.
Dublin fans have to realise they will be facing a team full of all ireland winners that will be full of fire. Another thing about the 2005 matches. Tyrone were very average up to the quarters....the drawn game was a great close game. But Dublin took a serious hammering in the replay... Should be a close match but i reckon Tyrone will shade it
Could you really think about leaving out McGuigan? He will at least tie up one of their best defenders.
Some good pionts there from O'Neill's post. The Dubs in recent years have had a soft underbelly, if they win this years AI they could go on and win a few, but if they are beaten there's no way back. I think they know that themselves and that's serious pressure to operate under.
Tyrone will get under their skin, Dublin's MF is not as good as they'd like to think and Tyrone will probably break even - Whelan may well take a few out of the clouds spectacularly, but Tyrone will win a far bigger percentage of breaking ball. I think this is the day for Cavanagh to make hay at FF, McConnell isn't up to a top quality FF(although I'm not sure if Cavanagh is tbh).
Tyrone's defence is their weak link IMO, far too many tyronies still think McMenamin is a top man marker, but he's not, he's regularly taken by top forwards and i would assume he'll try and mark Alan Brogan. I reckon Phily Jordan looks a shadow of his former self too. No doubt the firefighting will all be left to Gormley (one of the best defenders of the modern era IMO). Their forward line obviously isn't as strong as previous years but if things go well elsewhere I think they can do it.
Had a duke at Resevoir Dubs there, not too many expecting a defeat!!
What about Pascal McConnell top of the left?
Starting Penrose and McCullagh together could still work though it leaves little in the way of pace in terms of an impact sub. Penrose's cameo on Saturday changed the nature of the game, coupled with Sean's three-quarter role. Penrose seems to play well in the opening quarter of a game, or as soon as he comes on - he tends to wane as the game progresses. McCullagh's a good forward - nothing more or nothing less. He'll not have a spectacular game but has been steady all year. I remember Mellon started well against the Dubs in '05 and could have a roving corner forward/wing berth if his confidence has been knocked.
I'd have
Ricey - McMahon - Quinn
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
Joe - Enda
Dooher - Brian - Mellon
McCullagh - Sean - Tommy
Quote from: Puckoon on August 04, 2008, 10:12:53 PM
Could you really think about leaving out McGuigan? He will at least tie up one of their best defenders.
Honestly Yes, obviously no fault of his own but he's only a shadow of his former self and
if he's not at his best (like the rest of them) then someone else should be in there.
We'll need to be at full tilt Puck and I don't think Brian's quite there yet.. IMO :-\
Devine
Ricey- Justin- PJ
McCaul- Block- Jordan
Mellon McGinley
Dooher McCullagh Joe
Penrose Sean Tommy
Joe to act as a 3rd midfielder, penrose follaging with Dooher,
McCullagh feeding Sean and Tommy
Quote from: Bensars on August 04, 2008, 09:50:01 PM
4-9 dublin 9-4 Tyrone. on Betfair
Same as a few others. Tyrone have nothing to lose and against an undoubted good side but as O neill has said a side with a soft underbelly that annually seem to implode. Dublin can waltz through leinster with all the panache you like but in the heat of the knock out stages they have been found wanting. Another factor is the line. Pillars decision making is slow to say the least, if this is anyway a tight game im hopeful that Tyrone can come out on top
So you watched any Dublin games this year by any chance??? McConnell taken off against Westmeath, Nolan against Wexford, Andrews against Westmeath etc...players who are struggling are removed very quickly now.
gaaman , what have tyrone done since 2005?- not alot
Have they replaced canavan and o neill?- no
are all their players fit? -no
as has been said before this ain't the 2005 tyrone model, some tyrone people here are living in the past. still have a lot of very good players but This tyrone team doesn't frighten us and if we play to form we're quite confident of getting a result. Don't agree tyrone's defence is the weak link either- thats the strong link i think.dublin by about 4 points i think.
Quote from: orangeman on August 04, 2008, 09:55:50 PM
God it's class the way a couple of wins can really boost morale amongst players and posters on this site in particular ! ;) ;D
A copule of weeks ago it was over - end of the road - now we've a chance against Dublin ! ;)
If Mickey Harte pulls this one off, it will surely be his biggest ever achievement ( the winnig AI finals excpeted of course ) - he'll go down as the best manager in history. Can he do it ?
Talk about losing the run of yourself. That's crazy talk. In 2008, we've avoided relegation from Division 1 primarily due to the ineptness of Kildare and Laois, we threw away a sizable lead again a limited Down team, Louth were extremely poor and Westmeath and Mayo are teams that are no better than 11th or 12th best in the country and now we're playing a Dublin side that, despite a couple of huge wins, have had question marks hanging over them at the business end of the last few seasons. Going on current form, if Tyrone win it'll be a slight surprise but it certainly doesn't enhance Mickey's reputation to the best manager in history.
Let's be realistic, Tyrone got to a QF last year and the only difference between now and then is that instead of a half fit Stephen O'Neill on the panel you've got Brian McGuigan trying his damned to get to the level he was at before his 2 serious injuries. And like a half fit Stevie last year, people are expecting too much of McGuigan too soon.
At the start of the year anything less than a QF would have been considered a failure. On any given day Tyrone have the potential to beat any team in the country. I have no doubt they are capable of beating Dublin however, in their harte of hartes (pardon the pun) does anyone believe that going on current form, or without Stevie O'Neill, Tyrone have the consistency required to win an All-Ireland? I very much doubt it.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2008, 10:28:36 PM
gaaman , what have tyrone done since 2005?- not alot
Have they replaced canavan and o neill?- no
are all their players fit? -no
as has been said before this ain't the 2005 tyrone model, some tyrone people here are living in the past. still have a lot of very good players but This tyrone team doesn't frighten us and if we play to form we're quite confident of getting a result. Don't agree tyrone's defence is the weak link either- thats the strong link i think.dublin by about 4 points i think.
Indiana, I do agree with some of your points in that Tyrone haven't replaced Canavan and O'Neill with the same quality. Since 2005 Tyrone have won an Ulster title. But tell me this. What have Dublin done this past 10 years?? OK they have won lenister, but come on..this has become less of a challenge than Kerry winning Munster. At least Kerry are guaranteed one tough runout in Cork. Maybe you can tell me why people are making Dublin favourites for the All Ireland because I'm not seeing it.
Interesting loads of ye are dropping Brian now but nobody mentioning Mulgrew.
He looks like he's beefed up a good bit and he likes Croker me thinks
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2008, 12:49:03 AM
Interesting loads of ye are dropping Brian now but nobody mentioning Mulgrew.
He looks like he's beefed up a good bit and he likes Croker me thinks
I was of the belief he was carrying an injury.
Horses for courses also...
Expect the Dubs to turn this into a physical encounter and would expect something along the same lines as what the Dubs pulled in Omagh in the infamous Battle of Omagh.
Expect Pillar to play Kevin Bonner to ruffle a few feathers - limited footballing ability but great at stirring it up.
Croker will need a strong ref for this game - will be interesting to see who they choose - Pat McE would probably be the best choice, othrwise would expect the game to turn into an ugly dog-fight.
God forbid Paddy Russel or Bannon are anywhere within 100 miles of Croker on Sat week!
Don't think it should go that way, at least not by Dublin's doing. Two reasons, unlike previous years they now reckon they have a better team than Tyrone and secondly I think they realise that their hardman act got a bit out of hand and was distracting them. Course Pillar may not be as smart as me and might send them out to hammer shite out of Tyrone and make it a physical 50.50 game! ;D
I love all this talk about how Tyrone haven't replaced O'Neill or Canavan. The Tyrone and Dublin supporters and the media can talk like this forever if they want. I am confident Harte knows they have been replaced. He is wise enough to know that it will be 15 against 15 and won't even cast a backward glance at Canavan and O'Neill and will have full concentration on the job at hand. All the talk is diverting pressure off the current forwards and leaving opposition defences with a false sense of security. Harte knows what he has to do and he knows who he has to do it. Underestimate us at your peril.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 04, 2008, 10:45:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 04, 2008, 09:55:50 PM
God it's class the way a couple of wins can really boost morale amongst players and posters on this site in particular ! ;) ;D
A copule of weeks ago it was over - end of the road - now we've a chance against Dublin ! ;)
If Mickey Harte pulls this one off, it will surely be his biggest ever achievement ( the winnig AI finals excpeted of course ) - he'll go down as the best manager in history. Can he do it ?
Talk about losing the run of yourself. That's crazy talk. In 2008, we've avoided relegation from Division 1 primarily due to the ineptness of Kildare and Laois, we threw away a sizable lead again a limited Down team, Louth were extremely poor and Westmeath and Mayo are teams that are no better than 11th or 12th best in the country and now we're playing a Dublin side that, despite a couple of huge wins, have had question marks hanging over them at the business end of the last few seasons. Going on current form, if Tyrone win it'll be a slight surprise but it certainly doesn't enhance Mickey's reputation to the best manager in history.
Let's be realistic, Tyrone got to a QF last year and the only difference between now and then is that instead of a half fit Stephen O'Neill on the panel you've got Brian McGuigan trying his damned to get to the level he was at before his 2 serious injuries. And like a half fit Stevie last year, people are expecting too much of McGuigan too soon.
At the start of the year anything less than a QF would have been considered a failure. On any given day Tyrone have the potential to beat any team in the country. I have no doubt they are capable of beating Dublin however, in their harte of hartes (pardon the pun) does anyone believe that going on current form, or without Stevie O'Neill, Tyrone have the consistency required to win an All-Ireland? I very much doubt it.
This could be said for a lot of teams - so nothing new there. Honestly I think this would represent one of MH's biggest ever triumphs if he were to win this one.
It would be because Tyrone havent defeated a quality team in championship football this year. No offence but Louth, Westmeath and a very poor Mayo team wouldnt engender false hope in me, I cant believe how many Tyronies on here now believe that we are capable of taking this Dublin team. I think we are playing poorly and in fots and starts. To me this is dangerous against a team like Dublin who could have you away in one of those 10 minutes spells where Tyrone have went missing this year. Make no mistake about it, if a fired up Mulligan is fit to make his way on to the pitch in a close game with 20 minutes to go Id be very confident, but to expect a win is too much. The Dubs overhyped as they are look capabale of playing dazzling football, have all the motivation and have a higher degree of momentum and hunger. Tyrone are flatter slower and are still persisting with a couple of below par players. Would you rather get beaten on Saturday week V the Dubs, an AI semifinal V Armagh or an All ireland final V kerry or are Tyrone a serious potentially ai winning force this year. The fall out with Stevie O Neill will cost Tyrone this years ALL Ireland, looking at where they are now and at the mediocre level of opposition left. After this years season is over I suggest we relook at where we are going in Tyrone football in a year w elost Stevie O neill, Niall Mc Ginn, Kyle Coney,
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2008, 10:08:24 AM
It would be because Tyrone havent defeated a quality team in championship football this year. No offence but Louth, Westmeath and a very poor Mayo team wouldnt engender false hope in me, I cant believe how many Tyronies on here now believe that we are capable of taking this Dublin team. I think we are playing poorly and in fots and starts. To me this is dangerous against a team like Dublin who could have you away in one of those 10 minutes spells where Tyrone have went missing this year. Make no mistake about it, if a fired up Mulligan is fit to make his way on to the pitch in a close game with 20 minutes to go Id be very confident, but to expect a win is too much. The Dubs overhyped as they are look capabale of playing dazzling football, have all the motivation and have a higher degree of momentum and hunger. Tyrone are flatter slower and are still persisting with a couple of below par players. Would you rather get beaten on Saturday week V the Dubs, an AI semifinal V Armagh or an All ireland final V kerry or are Tyrone a serious potentially ai winning force this year. The fall out with Stevie O Neill will cost Tyrone this years ALL Ireland, looking at where they are now and at the mediocre level of opposition left. After this years season is over I suggest we relook at where we are going in Tyrone football in a year w elost Stevie O neill, Niall Mc Ginn, Kyle Coney,
I'm not sure about that RRHF - Even with Stevie the Dublin game would be a bridge too far - too many of this team are as you say slower and flatter ( maybe even fatter ! ) -
Niall has gone to soccer - Kyle going to Oz - Stevie retired ! Shit happens.
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2008, 10:08:24 AM
The fall out with Stevie O Neill will cost Tyrone this years ALL Ireland, looking at where they are now and at the mediocre level of opposition left.
Are you saying with Stevie O Neill on board that Tyrone would win the All-Ireland?
Theres no reason why they coudnt. They are as good or as flawed as any team left. Tyrone are creating as many chances and having as many attacks as any team left in the competition. No team left is the finished article, With their current level of creativity Stevie would be worth 5 a game. Its not Canavan that Tyrone cant replace, Tyrone cant replace Stevie, his replacement is at Derry City putting in crosses after the local Swifts sold him.
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2008, 10:27:12 AM
Theres no reason why they coudnt. They are as good or as flawed as any team left. Tyrone are creating as many chances and having as many attacks as any team left in the competition. No team left is the finished article, With their current level of creativity Stevie would be worth 5 a game. Its not Canavan that Tyrone cant replace, Tyrone cant replace Stevie, his replacement is at Derry City putting in crosses after the local Swifts sold him.
Is that cos Canavan is irreplaceable ?
Read above again
No one is irreplacable. Not SON not Canavan and not Mickey Harte.
self delusionary head in the sand Bullshit, Zap, Tyrone dont have the single forward good enough to win an all Ireland with in or outside that panel- outside the 2 guys O Neill and Mc Ginn. This year not only did we lose Canavan replacement but we lost his replacement as well. We cant let these men go and expect to compete with the Kerrys etc of this world. There might not be as good a forward for the next generation coming through.
Owen Mulligan is hoping to play a greater part in Tyrone's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final against Dublin on Saturday week after coming off the bench in the wins over Westmeath and Mayo.
After getting 25 minutes against Westmeath, the Cookstown clubman only entered the fray with five minutes to go in last Saturday's one-point win over Mayo. However, Mulligan, who has battled his way back to full fitness after a long-term hamstring injury, is prepared to bide his time on the bench and has backed Mickey Harte's leadership.
"You'll not get a better manager than Mickey Harte. People talk about our performances last year and this year, but there's no better man. He covers everything," he said.
"I'm not good at watching games from the bench, but hopefully I'll get a run the next day," he added. "I'm going well in training and it was good to get a run-out against Mayo. The lads are battling hard and it's difficult to get back on the team, but credit to the players, they're playing well and keeping me out of the side. That's what you need in any squad - a bit of competition
Vote of confidence from Mulligan !
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2008, 10:45:36 AM
self delusionary head in the sand Bullshit, Zap,
Talking about replacements and ifs, whats, and buts is the only bull i see. Canavan is one of the best of all time. The is no point in talking about replacements. He was a bonus to the team as he would be to any team. His ability might never be matched but his position will be filled and he has been filled. If we are to replace Canavan with someone like him then there is nothing speacial about the the guy. He would be another guy on the field. Now we can either play the hand we have been dealt or we can complain that we don't have that ace anymore and feel hard done by. When the deal is done you get 5 new cards, thats how it works.
or you can play the hand that you are dealt poorly, but you only get so many cards, you have to make the best of them.
When I saw the draw on Sunday, I felt conflicted. Logic dictates that Dublin should win this game – however, Tyrone are a team that routinely defy logic. But if you look a little bit closer at their 2005 achievements, they hold out hope for Dublin.
Tyrone, if I remember correctly, (and I'm sure I'll be pulled up if I don't) trekked through that marathon season without a settled full back or half back line. I think it was the only time in living memory that there was genuine confusion about what defence would take the filed and in what positions they would play. Yet from the quarter finals onwards, the horses for courses policy reaped dividends – stymieing Dublin, out-muscling a muscle-bound Armagh and containing a Kerry forward line of all the talents.
Their midfield was routinely cleaned by their opponents – the debates raged all year about Cavanagh's best position. But by finding a different way to play the position, he rendered the debate irrelevant – he pushed the issue to the wings and half forward line, conceding primary possession, relying on tigerish half backs to compete the breaks and profiting further up the pitch. Cavanagh was the mid fielder of 2005 – he didn't catch as much as O'Se or Whelan but he was more effective than both.
Tyrone also had a set of forwards who had yet to prove themselves (or had yet to receive the credit they deserved for 2003). Canavan's ankle woes and substitution in 2003 created a perception of a team still over-reliant on his waning talents – but Mulligan, O'Neill and McGuigan all stepped to the mark in the All Ireland series. O'Neill especially used the final three games of the season to burnish his reputation – he is a huge loss to Tyrone 08.
So where are the parallels for Dublin? Well, we can't honestly say who will be our starting six defenders – yet we know that amongst the hopefuls are some really top quality man markers, such as David Henry and Paul Griffin and some brilliant ball players – step forward Barry Cahill and Bryan Cullen. Can we emulate Tyrone 05 in relying on our men to be as flexible in their decision making as they must be unflinching in their tackling? The jury remains out – but please consider the following. Despite the high profile losses, the Dublin defence remains, statistically, one of the meanest in the country over the past three years. So is it a case of lies, damned lies and statistics? I hope not.
In midfield, we have the very model of a traditional high fielder in Ciaran Whelan – bit it is Shane Ryan's redefinition of the role that is now key for the Dubs. He is a truly awesome athlete. I firmly believe that no-one in the country can stay with him for power and pace when he advances. But can he transform this into an effective point-scoring and match winning performance against top quality players? Make no mistake – McGinley's career marks him out as versatile, brave and decisive in the key moments – witness 2003. He is not a natural midfielder – but neither is Ryan and whoever comes out on top will have contributed much to a winning performance.
And in the forwards, we have a group of talented young men – some long due to mature properly, being led by a warrior of immense experience. I'm not trying to compare Sherlock to Canavan – the fair comparison is perhaps to Brian McGuigan, and then in natural talent, I still think the Tyrone man wins out. But Sherlock has marked himself as one of the all-time great competitors. Whenever there has been a weak point in his game he has worked on it and improved – point-scoring, strength, tactical awareness – and this constant reinvention is the sign of a ferocious ambition. He also remembers what it takes to win the biggest prize, which may be invaluable.
Tyrone won an All Ireland in 2005 whilst still evolving. The Dublin team must prove they can do the same.
One more thing – slagging players good naturedly is one thing. But suggesting that a man like Shane Ryan, who has given and gives so much, is lacking something in brains, galls me as much as the lazy characterisation of certain ~Tyrone players as cheats must gall red handers on the boards. This has always been a place of certain standards – let's try and keep it clean.
Good luck to all the players involved – but at the end, UP THE DUBS!
Lads, i'm not getting all this fawning over the Dubs this summer. they were very poor in the league and produced only one half of football this summer, which everyone has jumped on. i wonder how much of that leinster final second half was down to wexford. i also wonder what would happen if wexford and dublin met again. dublin have wonderful footballers but they are the same wonderful, but flawed, footballers they were last year and the year before. what is the missing ingredient for them this year?
have the Dubs been in the trenches this year yet? have they been in a white hot championship match with a point in it with 15 minutes to go? their mental frailties - which has been their undoing so many times - still lurk beneath the surface in my opinion and tyrone will expose that.
Tyrone by 4 points at least.
A good post there easytiger. And alot of valid points. Dublin have been knocking on the door for the past three-four years and to be honest I believe they've as good a chance this year as any to win it. And if they do so in getting past Tyrone, then possibly Armagh with maybe a final meeting with Kerry ( No disrecpect to the other teams but these would be my predictions) it'll be a hard won AI and one that will put a few of the recent Dublin setbacks right.
And I'd agree with your sentiments regarding the slagging of certain players. It's not nice and to be honest I reckon most of it seems to come between yourselves and ourselves.
Anyway roll on the 16th.
First blood to the Ladies Minor Footballers of Dublin. Beat Tyrone in AIF at the weekend.
Cailíní na hÁrdchathrach abú.
Not to sidetrack the debate but in my opinion Canavan was one of those players that you might see every 30 years. I think it'll be a good while before we see another - so in my humble opionion is irreplaceble.
They said the same about Mc Guigan, especially after the Ulster final in 84.
Fast forward 5 years then you had Canavan and Cush.
Fact of the matter is that despite whatever weaknesses they may have, whoever comes out of this game will be genuine Al Ireland contenders. They'll be heading into a semi with an at least 50% chance of winning it and getting to the Final.
Be interesting to hear how any Westmeath supporter would judge the game. I think both teams struggled similarly against WM. Not a lot in it, I thought Dublin's performance was slightly better than Tyrone's, but Tyrone should have better personnel available the next day.
Team selection will be very interesting. Even from the few guesses by Tyronies here, there is a wide variety of teams Mickey can put out. The question is not only who to play but where to play them. I doubt very much if even Mickey has made his mind up fully yet, so impossible for Pillar to predict. Is it a full back, half back or midfielder who should be preparing to look after SC??? Mugsy and Mulgrew are two potential super players who should/may be available to call upon.
Dublin will have no interest in getting into a dog-fight in any shape or form. Be very interesting to see how we react to any messing from the likes of Ricey, Gormley and Dooher. The one-in-all-in scenario is a "must avoid at all costs" one. I know its not nice to look at ("sickening" even I've seen some describe it as), but the Dooher method of lying down when hit and allowing the officials to deal with it, is the one I'd recommend for the Dubs on this occassion.
Dublin will have a tough hard hitting central spine themselves, in Cullen, Ryan, Whelan and Keaney. It will be equally important for them to keep it hard and fair and not provoke.
Be great if Pillar was positive enough to not need a Bonner/Flynn in the forwards and goes with Keaney, Sherlock, Bernard, Alan, Connolly, Quinn (as an aside I'd always prefer Vaughan to Quinn,but thats highly unlikely). Keaney is big enough and tough enough to act as the deep lying forward, so I hope thats what happens.
In defence I guess it'll be Henry-Griffin-Shocko, Cahill-Cullen-Moran. That leaves us a bit small in the full back line and a potential opportunity to push Cavanagh,McMahon into 14, if not from the start, certainly at certain points. Ger Brennan is back on the panel, so may well feature from the bench.
Its been mentioned by Tyronies that Dublin have a soft underbelly. And that's certainly fair comment from previous years. Its something we'll need to show we've overcome if we start to progress, in particular we need to avoid hitting the panic-button and shooting from ridiculous angles or distances when things are tight. Of course allowing Mossy to hit 45s, when his success rate is about 30% from that distance, is ridiculous at any time, but we'll still do it.
Looking forward to it. I expect a cracker like the last two in 2005. Hopefully a different result though!
I hear ticket Master have sold out. Any truth?
Quote from: Zapatista on August 05, 2008, 12:27:58 PM
I hear ticket Master have sold out. Any truth?
Didn't realise they were on sale yet !
12 o'clock today
Just checked there - sold out alright.
Since 12.10pm
Interesting to note that IF (big If I know) were to win the AI this year, they would potentially have to beat the same three teams in the same rounds (QF, SF and Final) as in 2005, i.e. Dubs, Armagh and Kerry.
Can't believe btw, that Kerry have literally been given a bye into the Final through the luck of the draw, hope the winners at least come from our side of the draw.
After some of the ridiculous posts over the weekend I was beginning to give up hope on this board but at least the last few pages are beginning to give me hope again.
The amount of Newbie posters with silly sh*t stirring crap is unreal but at least we still have some sensible adults left
I've been to all Tyrone championship games so far this year and we've been just scraping by
I hoped on Sat that the taste of Croker would bring our a big performance from Tyrone but alas we were poor again I regret.
I think if the Dubs were to play as they have done up til now and we do the same then we'll get steamrolled but of course there are many more factors involved and if there's one thing Tyrone v Dublin games are not and that is predictable.
I don't have that positive feeling I had in 2005 but I'd rather lose to the Dubs than to Armagh or Kerry if truth be told.
At least my 6 month old wee fella will be pleased.
Quote from: redhandluke on August 05, 2008, 01:20:57 PM
Can't believe btw, that Kerry have literally been given a bye into the Final through the luck of the draw, hope the winners at least come from our side of the draw.
I'm very glad that Kerry are in the other side of the draw! But I don't agree that there's a big difference otherwise. Mayo were very close to Tyrone and Galway are better than Mayo. Probably little difference between any of Armagh,Tyrone, Dublin, Cork, Galway - would all be down to who plays well on the day.
Ticket master arent sold out - justy got my ticket there now - and i when back in a few times until i got the position in the cusack stand i wanted! Seems to be loads there yet!
There only seems to be individual tickets left tho. I'l take my chances of maybe getting two together with the club :-\
They're selling upstairs 702s are available.
Ticketmaster all out. Lucky the club gets an abundance of tickets for every game!! 8)
All bitching aside, excitement and hype wise its a great auld draw.
Either way, should be a great day out, cant bate the hordes of Nordies invading en masse for good craic on the day.
The clampers are revving their engines in anticipation!
Regardless of what people slag on, theres no better team to play against than the Dubs in Croke Park, it is the highlight of any teams year, the biggest atmosphere and the best craic. The Dubs are the greatest supporters in Ireland and Tyrone people always view it as a privelage to play them in Croke Park. My highlights from 05
1) Mulligans first goal -I guarantee you he will do it again next week.
2) Conal Keaney - fabulous second half scoring exhibition lifting the roof of the stadium
3) Mulligans second goal - and the eerie silence that descended from the hill
The dubs are the biggest dreamers in the GAA and the GAA needs us to keep dreaming and to stop being so fecking cynical. Gewt out there and start supporting your county no matter how bad or good they are.
On an aside did anyone here that Mickey Harte has enlisted the help of the supremo of Ulsters latest all Ireland champions for to give inspirational team talks.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 05, 2008, 03:30:01 PM
All bitching aside, excitement and hype wise its a great auld draw.
Either way, should be a great day out, cant bate the hordes of Nordies invading en masse for good craic on the day.
Ye rekon? Half the bastards are trying to book bed and floor space in my house. Ye hear nothing from them all year round until they get a day out in Croke park and then they all all calling ye. It will be a very sub-standard breakfast they get, that outa teach them ;D ;D
Quote from: feetofflames on August 05, 2008, 03:39:33 PM
On an aside did anyone here that Mickey Harte has enlisted the help of the supremo of Ulsters latest all Ireland champions for to give inspirational team talks.
Inspirational team talks and Jody do not go hand in hand...
Quote from: easytiger on August 05, 2008, 11:44:59 AM
One more thing – slagging players good naturedly is one thing. But suggesting that a man like Shane Ryan, who has given and gives so much, is lacking something in brains, galls me as much as the lazy characterisation of certain ~Tyrone players as cheats must gall red handers on the boards. This has always been a place of certain standards – let's try and keep it clean.
Easytiger - wind the neck in. If I think Ryan is not an intelligent footballer, albeit a horse of a man with an improving engine, I'll call it as I see it. There are plenty of footballers who fall into that category or in every code. If you think a poster cannot state this then the world's couped. If that's the case ,we cannot comment on how good we think a corner back is, or a fielder of a ball.
I watched the first quarter final of 05 last night, and I'm getting more and more excited, for what should be a great game of football. Conal Keaney is a man that worries me from a Tyrone perspective - he has a great eye for the posts, although he isn't great when forced onto his weaker side. Who will Mickey send out to take him up? Gourley? Justy Mac? They will need to be on the ball early whomever it is. Enda McGinely and Shane Ryan should be a titanic battle, while the dubliners are touting the form of Ryan this year (justifiably) Enda has put in a couple of great performances in the middle recently - and we all know what he is capable of doing. He again was everywhere in that 05 quarterfinal playing as a third midfielder and on sunday against Mayo put in similar yards. I'd not bet my mortgage (if I had one) on either man decisively coming out on top. Big Joe McMahon played a large role in negating the free catching reign that Whelan was enjoying in the first half of that game when the switches were made at half time - he is another option. All in all I don't think Tyrone will be beaten out the gate. They have too much experience, too much guile and too much at stake.
Funnily enough, Keaney is also someone who I'd be wary of. In the replay in '05 he almost single-handedly brought the Dubs from 8 down to just a goal in 7 minutes. The atmosphere at 1-11 to 0-11 was the most intimidating in a impressive way I've ever experienced in Croke Park. It made me wonder what the place would sound if the Jackeens won it. For that reason, I'd like to see them take it in the modern era.
Keaney saves his best for Tyrone.
Keaney hasnt been great this year, quite sub par imo.
hopefully you are right and he is saving his best for Tyrone!
In fairness to the Dub fans when we beat them in '05 I never heard one bad word about Tyrone on the way outta the stadium and about the streets. They were very gracious in defeat and wished us all the best. So while I'm obviously hoping we'll win if the Dubs win I'll say well done and good luck and I'd hope most of the Tyrone fans would be the same. It should be a great match. I think both teams will hit their best form in this match and I don't see too much in it either way.
I think that that the use and rotation of subs could be crucial in this game, particularly for ourselves. MH will be at his chessmaster's best with Mulligan, Mulgrew, Mc Caul, Penrose, Gourley, Carlin, etc., doing Lanigan's Ball from the bench I'd say (I know that's 6, but he has options ;)).
Ciarán Whelan reckons it's no bad thing that the game was deferred by one week, avoiding the threatened dearth of tickets; has to be positive I suppose, and no bad thing for ourselves either.
I can't remember a Dublin victory over any one of the top teams in a long time so there's a massive level of pressure on Dublin going into this game - it's a must win game for the manager and team. They're a bit overhyped (as usual) and Tyrone under Harte are very capable of putting in a big performance. His ability to maximise his options and make the most of his resources in any one game is probably unrivalled by any other manager. Tyrone have always got a chance in any game with the likes of McMenamin, Dooher and Cavanagh driving them on - big will to win with them. But they have gone back since 2005 - they are a slower team now all round, with far less intensity to their play (where's the ferocious, swarming tackling these days?). Dublin have a decent set of forwards but will they have the composure and wherewithall as a team to do it? Big question mark over whether they have developed to this point as a team yet and whether Pillar as a manager has learned anything these past few years. The Tyrone game will be a defining one for this Dublin team.
Will we see more Tyrone facial hair growth at this match? Is this some sort of team building thing along the lines of we won't shave till the all-ireland final? Expect to see Mickey Harte with one shortly.
Quote from: Armamike on August 05, 2008, 09:06:06 PM
Will we see more Tyrone facial hair growth at this match? Is this some sort of team building thing along the lines of we won't shave till the all-ireland final? Expect to see Mickey Harte with one shortly.
Irish News did a piece on it today..... for some reason and it wasn't even in the sport's section.
throw it up there ziggy - Im sure passwords are no match for a man of your stature!
As an act of solidarity, I haven't shaved since last Friday. I urge others to follow suit.
As long as we dont have to take to the blankets.
MH will be at his chessmaster's best with Mulligan, Mulgrew
they have to start for tyrone in my view. heard there will be a few changes to the dublin team. looking forward to it. even though we lost in 2005 they were two cracking games of ball, always found tyrone fans reasonable individuals. this time round it will be a dour tight affair, because i can't see tyrone winning any other way. weather forecast is brutal for the weekend so maybe its a good thing its put back. but it should be a good day out.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2008, 10:31:21 PM
MH will be at his chessmaster's best with Mulligan, Mulgrew
they have to start for tyrone in my view.
Reckon it would be too great a risk to start either or both, but they could provide a great boost from the bench, even if introduced only to be swapped off again. Having said that, if there's any arena that could lift Mulligan for 70 minutes then it's Croke against Dublin. Decisions, decisions.
Interesting to see what changes Pillar would make, in that it would say as much about where he perceives our strengths to lie as much as where Dublin's weaknesses might.
well they'll have to start teeing it up ie getting the best 15 , on the chance that they beat tyrone and advance down the line. because the reality is all teams left on our side of the draw are thinking about a potential joust with donaghy and kerry
Looking forward to this one more so than any of the other quarters.
Gonna be a real battle. Dubs will not fancy meeting a Tyrone team who have yet to really ignite, with many questioning whether the old campaigners still have it and whether the young guns are good enough.
The longer Tyrone can stay in this game the more i would fancy them to take it. The expectation and pressure on these Dublin players is immense to deliver Sam.
Dublin have the firepower to win, no doubt about it, but Harte if anyone well be well aware of this and will be planning accordingly. Mc Menamin and Gormley seem to have refound their nasty streaks and will relish the battle.
Still not convinced by Dublins defence and feel that if Tyrone can get sufficient ball around the middle then, the cracks could appear.
The victors in this one will gain serious confidence and should go on to contest the Kingdom for the title.
Quote from: Armamike on August 05, 2008, 09:02:37 PM
I can't remember a Dublin victory over any one of the top teams in a long time so there's a massive level of pressure on Dublin going into this game - it's a must win game for the manager and team. They're a bit overhyped (as usual) and Tyrone under Harte are very capable of putting in a big performance. His ability to maximise his options and make the most of his resources in any one game is probably unrivalled by any other manager. Tyrone have always got a chance in any game with the likes of McMenamin, Dooher and Cavanagh driving them on - big will to win with them. But they have gone back since 2005 - they are a slower team now all round, with far less intensity to their play (where's the ferocious, swarming tackling these days?). Dublin have a decent set of forwards but will they have the composure and wherewithall as a team to do it? Big question mark over whether they have developed to this point as a team yet and whether Pillar as a manager has learned anything these past few years. The Tyrone game will be a defining one for this Dublin team.
Who are the top teams though??? We lost to Kerry last year, Mayo the year before (threw it away), Tyrone in 05 etc...all the top team or 2nd best team in the country at the time....Tyrone have been losing to Down, Meath, Mayo etc and when they last beat one of the top teams???
So you haven't seen Pillar making quick changes when players are struggling, moving players to different positions, going hourses for course etc this season then???
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 05, 2008, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: Armamike on August 05, 2008, 09:02:37 PM
I can't remember a Dublin victory over any one of the top teams in a long time so there's a massive level of pressure on Dublin going into this game - it's a must win game for the manager and team. They're a bit overhyped (as usual) and Tyrone under Harte are very capable of putting in a big performance. His ability to maximise his options and make the most of his resources in any one game is probably unrivalled by any other manager. Tyrone have always got a chance in any game with the likes of McMenamin, Dooher and Cavanagh driving them on - big will to win with them. But they have gone back since 2005 - they are a slower team now all round, with far less intensity to their play (where's the ferocious, swarming tackling these days?). Dublin have a decent set of forwards but will they have the composure and wherewithall as a team to do it? Big question mark over whether they have developed to this point as a team yet and whether Pillar as a manager has learned anything these past few years. The Tyrone game will be a defining one for this Dublin team.
Who are the top teams though??? We lost to Kerry last year, Mayo the year before (threw it away), Tyrone in 05 etc...all the top team or 2nd best team in the country at the time....Tyrone have been losing to Down, Meath, Mayo etc and when they last beat one of the top teams???
So you haven't seen Pillar making quick changes when players are struggling, moving players to different positions, going hourses for course etc this season then???
I was making the point that this Dublin side have failed against the top teams of the day for a number of years now. They now need to push on and take a big scalp. Dublin were beaten by Kerry last year, Tyrone in 05, Armagh in 02 and 03. Kerry before that in 2001. All defeats to the top teams at that time. A lot of these players have been around since 2002 at least (not sure about 2001), so they need a big scalp now. I think Tyrone, regardless of their form this year, would be viewed as a big scalp and a confidence booster. Dublin will never really believe they can win an AI until they take out one of the big guns - they've had too many big game losses and sad stories stored up in the memory banks. A win over Tyrone and they'll be chomping at the bit for the semis.
I'll hold judgement on Pillar until the pressure is really cranked up, from the quarters onwards.
By the way, outside my own county i'd love to see Dublin win an AI - that team has put in a lot in over the past few years and have come back from some sickening defeats, so fair play if they can go on and do it.
I was at the 05 replay and the atmosphere when Dublin started reeling Tyrone in during the 2nd half was unreal. Never experienced noise like it.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2008, 01:02:17 AM
I was at the 05 replay and the atmosphere when Dublin started reeling Tyrone in during the 2nd half was unreal. Never experienced noise like it.
Very true but the best part was how quiet it all became when Mugsy scored the second goal and stared down the hill. One of the best moments of the year ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2008, 01:02:17 AM
I was at the 05 replay and the atmosphere when Dublin started reeling Tyrone in during the 2nd half was unreal. Never experienced noise like it.
I was at it as well, some atmosphere and noise alright.
Def can't beat the Dubs for the atmosphere....minus the soccer chants
and the whistling of free kicks of course :P
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 06, 2008, 01:34:08 AM
Def can't beat the Dubs for the atmosphere....minus the soccer chants
and the whistling of free kicks of course :P
the Monaghan fans were at that last Sunday too. Fermanagh give it a good lash in Clones too.
Mugsy seems to be making noises regarding a starting slot. It seems likely that for the first time in 4 games, Mickey will not name the same side before the game. Was there any specific reason given for Quinn and Penrose not starting or was it simply tactical?
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2008, 09:25:59 AM
Mugsy seems to be making noises regarding a starting slot. It seems likely that for the first time in 4 games, Mickey will not name the same side before the game. Was there any specific reason given for Quinn and Penrose not starting or was it simply tactical?
PJ had a back injury, he was having treatment all last week and a fitness test on saturday morning but didnt come through.
On a more serious note, how are the beards coming along? Remember to include the women in this tactic as well.
I thought Tyrone wemen were the prototype, they've been growing beards for years.
Quote from: Doire abú on August 06, 2008, 10:13:40 AM
I thought Tyrone wemen were the prototype, they've been growing beards for years.
Maybe thats just the Ballinderry wemen?
Ive been growing abeard from Saturday too and it looks rediculous already, the wifes not speaking to me and I think it scares the kids. - But I think its a great thing and I know at least 2 other supporters who are growing beards as well. Lets keep them going until September anmd if we win Sam have a big charitable shave night.
Don't think I'll be growing a beard. After 3 or 4 days it is bad enough. I'll just make sure and not shave for a few days before each match and I'll have a pretty full beard anyway.
If I didn't shave until the AI final I would be eligible to join ZZtop! :P
Quote from: Puckoon on August 05, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
throw it up there ziggy - Im sure passwords are no match for a man of your stature!
Sorry Puck, took an early night last night. Once it's open, I'll post it.
I didn't shave for the 2006/2007 Tyrone Championship. Greencastle ended up winning the All-Ireland Junior Club.
It seems the Tyrone men have listened to my wise words ;)
2008 - the year of the beard.
They'll be quaking in their boots in Croke Park at the sight of the new beard defence. Dont forget the bearded savages in the stands against the metrosexual fancy dan dubs and their bleached blonde crew cuts. Will the sight of our facial hair be like an extra man to the Tyrone tyrants. I heard Ricey not going to take a bath for the week before the game just to add to the bogmen factor. Im getting into this. I would propose we all do the same.
I've had a beard for 13 years now, hope I wont be mistaken for a Tyrone fan!! ;)
Quote from: feetofflames on August 06, 2008, 01:08:52 PM
2008 - the year of the beard.
They'll be quaking in their boots in Croke Park at the sight of the new beard defence. Dont forget the bearded savages in the stands against the metrosexual fancy dan dubs and their bleached blonde crew cuts. Will the sight of our facial hair be like an extra man to the Tyrone tyrants. I heard Ricey not going to take a bath for the week before the game just to add to the bogmen factor. Im getting into this. I would propose we all do the same.
Great post flames!
Could you imagine the smell inside crokepark if this was the case :D :D I'm in work here and we have 1 guy who id say hasnt had a bath this year, it's disgusting the smell of him...could you imagine sitting in the hogan stand and everyone round you stinkin :D :D!!
Back to the football and I'd like to wish tyrone the best of luck really hope you win saturday week, but I just have a feeling this has to be the year of the dubs! Shows now that the class always rises to the top, down beat tyrone after the replay in Newry which was a great night, but come quarter final time and it's the same old faces...good luck tyrone!
In the same boat feet. 5 days of serious growth and the wife is not best pleased. Should've tried this years ago. The children are holding out though they keep asking for presents.
The Dubs'll be fairly spooked what with them flipped out on etabs and smack crack cocaine and ether and then seeing a hairy community dandering into the pubs...it'll get them to the stadium on time.
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2008, 01:42:34 PM
In the same boat feet. 5 days of serious growth and the wife is not best pleased. Should've tried this years ago. The children are holding out though they keep asking for presents.
The Dubs'll be fairly spooked what with them flipped out on etabs and smack crack cocaine and ether and then seeing a hairy community dandering into the pubs...it'll get them to the stadium on time.
Back to this shite are we??
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2008, 09:25:59 AM
Mugsy seems to be making noises regarding a starting slot.
I wouldn't take to much from that. Mugsy would be the top of the interview list from the Dublin based tabloids and radio. I would say it has very little to do with what might happen and more to do with what has happened. The northern/Tyrone based media are probably looking to interview Charlie Redmond and hope he will start for the Dubs too.
Yes, I'd imagine starting Mugsy wouldn't be a good bet.
Can't see Mulligan starting - had he been 100% fit the last day, he'd have got more game time as there were any number of men that could have made for him.
I thought Niall Gormley would've seen a bit of time as well as Shaun O'Neill. When you factor in Mulligan, Mulgrew and then playing McMahon at 15 then they're well down the pecking order. Tyrone appear to be working on just needing two natural scorers in McCullagh and Tommy.
Lads, the old Dubs are high as kites on Coke, Smack, E etc etc has been done to death by now. Can we park it for now?
Cheers.
Hope the Tyrone lassies don't follow suit with the facial hair or their sexiest fans title might be in jeopardy.
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on August 06, 2008, 03:44:43 PM
Lads, the old Dubs are high as kites on Coke, Smack, E etc etc has been done to death by now. Can we park it for now?
Cheers.
Ah we are all high on love :-*
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on August 06, 2008, 03:44:43 PM
Lads, the old Dubs are high as kites on Coke, Smack, E etc etc
I think that's a horrendous slur by the Mods and a sign that the power has gone to their heads.
Back to the match - questions for the Jackeens - is it true that Sherlock is playing the best football of his career? Will Mossey have a say? Who are you hoping will provide the bulk of the scoring from play?
I'd agree Mod 3 should at least be serving a two week suspension for that.
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
Back to the match - questions for the Jackeens - is it true that Sherlock is playing the best football of his career?
Yes
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
Will Mossey have a say?
No
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
Who are you hoping will provide the bulk of the scoring from play?
The Brogan brothers
(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/04a/9ac/04a9ac8c-0a82-4db8-a09a-c76d32c7b110)
That there is O'Neill.
Anyways, watched the 05 replay last night - the dublin boys were gettin carried away with the sledgin dished out by Ricey and Gormley. Hopefully pillar doesnt have their heads right for this game and they get focused on the wrong kind of energy. Forwards getting involved with their direct opponent is a much more dangerous thing for a team than defenders like Ricey and Gormley, for whom that kind of carry on is all part and parcel. Id love to know what Ricey and Mark Vaughan were having a chin wag about when the latter was introduced in the second half.
The present tyrone defence IMO is in much better shape than the team that started and finished the dublin 05 replay. Sweeney got the run around both games, Chris lawn struggled and was replaced. Davy Harte's pace is a big worry, as Im sure it hasnt gotten any better. While he is great going forward - if he's marking a Collie Moran or Bernard Brogan type - he could well get destroyed for pace and leave a big gap in front of ricey.
We lost midfield by a landslide that particular day - Whelan made more catches than he did in the drawn game. Lots of work for MH and the team to get through between now and then.
Puck - we'd take another one of these from that day next weekend
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=knnswedqeik
There have never been too much between these teams over the past number of years, the big thing from a Tyrone perspective is that they have won all the high profile games. While Dublin took the league meetings in Parnell Park and Omagh, Tyrone won the big game under lights and the championship meetings. However none of this matters little when the two sides meet up next weekend. Form suggests that Dublin should prevail and I do think they have more going for them than they have in previous years. This Tyrone team are not as strong as previous years and I'm not even sure if they are as good as last year. But they could be capable of putting together a couple of good games. Often you find a team that comes off the back of a great perfomance, such as Dublin in the second half of the Leinster final, put in a poor performance. But then again you find equally as many teams put a few great performances back to back.
I don't think the Dublin team are as strong as the second half of the Leinster final would suggest but they do seem to be the form team. In Alan Brogan they have a fine player. Had he not have got injured in the quarter final in 2005, Dublin could have went on to win that game. Restricting his influence will be very important. I also don't he'll be cowed as easily as he was in the game under lights and if Gormley is marking him, then he'll really have his hands full. Conal Keaney is also a good un and Connolly is a useful additional to the Dublin forward lie. Shane Ryan is also playing well but to me he always plays decent for Dublin but doesn't get the same kind of attention or credit as Whelan. I don't think the Dublin back 6 are the strongest left in the Championship but then again I don't think the Tyrone forwards are the best 6 left either. I'm not sure if the Tyrone forwards can exploit any weaknesses in the Dublin back line.
At the start of the year, you would ask the question where will the tyrone scores come from and that question is still relevant. We don't have a reliable left and right footed free taker - McGuigan and McCullagh can be hit or miss. we'll need to score a few goals to beat Dublin, cause we won't score 18 pts any more. 2-18 was scored the second day in 2005, the most Tyrone can hope for the next day is 13-14 pts in total - -can we hold dublin to less than that. I'm not sure.
What'll intrigue the most is whether Pillar has instilled some kind of juggernaut mentality this year, as in nothing is going to prevent them from taking their eyes off the big prize. I've been talking to a couple of Jackeen friends and their mindset surprised me. There seems to be a high level of resentment towards Tyrone and their style of play against Dublin. I cannot really put a finger on any specific incidents that feeds this. I'd imagine that the defeat in '05 and under lights as well as the two recent bad-tempered league games have contributed to this. I'd go as far to say that the feeling isn't really reciprocated in Tyrone. There's no real negative sentiment towards Dublin, any more than normal. However, I've a feeling that the Dublin players will be of the same approach as their supporters - we need to beat this bunch by any and all means possible. Pillar'd need to be sure they do this playing the football they've displayed up to now. That's the big challenge down there.
From a Tyrone perspective, the meeting with Dublin has burst the county into life for the first time since '05, a county that has been somewhat lethargic since the 2nd All-Ireland, on the pitch and in the stands. It seems to have sparked a real kind of appetite for the campaign and, as with the Dubs, I'd imagine that'll spill over onto the squad. It is set up nicely. There is a very real scenario that when Dublin up the tempo, nothing will be found in the Tyrone legs. This game will either end or add another chapter to the greatest era in our inter-county history.
ONeill. One specific incident from the 05 replay that did not endear Tyrone to the Dubs. Early on in the game with not much between the teams and Brogan was going well enough. He attempted to kick the ball from out near the sideline and McMenamin foot blocked the attempt injuring Brogan's ankle and forcing his replacment. Dublin's best forward taken out in one neat move. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think he received a yellow for the dangerous tackle either so happy days all round for the stubbly one.
I think a lot of the Tyrone posters here are getting carried away with the phsychology aspects surrounding this game and re Dublin in particular. Dublin this year are the most focused Dublin team I've seen since the team of 1990-1995. The focus is on winning - nothing else. They're standing up for themselves but refusing to get involved even when blatently provoked. I don't believe Tyrone's most noted windup merchants will get a whole lot of joy in diverting this focus. If nothing else the Meath game in Parnell Pk in Feb and its aftermath has finally taught Pillar & co of the need to focus on football only.
As to the relative strength of the two teams this Dublin team is a better balanced, stronger football team this Summer than any other bar Kerry imo. No guarantee we'll beat Tyrone. God knows we've underachieved consistently for decades. Tyrone however still have the remnants of a super team. However don't believe Tyrone will win the AI even if they beat Dublin on Sat week. The defeat earlier to a Down team who embarrassed themselves last weekend poses serious questions re the strength of Tyrone this year. The performances against WM and Mayo have been decent wins but both games could have gone either way.
All to play for but believe if both teams play to form/capability Dublin should win. After last weekend though Kerry still strong favourites to win AI.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 06, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
If nothing else the Meath game in Parnell Pk in Feb and its aftermath has finally taught Pillar & co of the need to focus on football only. .
I would be in broad agreement with that, but not particularly reassured (from a Dublin perspective): That whole aspect to the Dublin game (confusing mixing it with will-to-win) should have been well and truly banished after the 'battle' of Omagh in 2006; instead it took Pillar and Co a whole two years later to finally cop on to the reality that discipline was badly lacking, and was actually distracting from the business of winning games. From a Tyrone perspective, I'm not 100% sure that that (mixing it) mentality has been totally eradicated, but the 16th will surely tell.
Other than that, you call it about right I'd say.
Quote from: Coddler on August 06, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
ONeill. One specific incident from the 05 replay that did not endear Tyrone to the Dubs. Early on in the game with not much between the teams and Brogan was going well enough. He attempted to kick the ball from out near the sideline and McMenamin foot blocked the attempt injuring Brogan's ankle and forcing his replacment. Dublin's best forward taken out in one neat move. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think he received a yellow for the dangerous tackle either so happy days all round for the stubbly one.
I saw this happen myself Coddler - Im not sure if it was in the wardrobe, or on out in Narnia. ::)
There was zero reference to any fouling action on McMenamins part, and considering the number of replays shown of him that day where he accidentally clipped quinns head in the first half, and the fact that any incident involving him is subject to the highest levels of scrutiny - the commentary team that day mentioned nothing.
So, ill have to call bullshit on that one.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 06, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
I think a lot of the Tyrone posters here are getting carried away with the phsychology aspects surrounding this game and re Dublin in particular. Dublin this year are the most focused Dublin team I've seen since the team of 1990-1995. The focus is on winning - nothing else. They're standing up for themselves but refusing to get involved even when blatently provoked. I don't believe Tyrone's most noted windup merchants will get a whole lot of joy in diverting this focus. If nothing else the Meath game in Parnell Pk in Feb and its aftermath has finally taught Pillar & co of the need to focus on football only.
You've just contradicted yourself. You reckon the psychological aspect is being overdone yet proceed to explain how the psychology of this Dublin side means they're a different beast.
The nature of these threads is: a little bull for a few days, reminiscing about days of yore, a bit of baiting, before the sides are named/injuries are declared.
I think the initial hostilities have died down and a recognition of each other's good points are nigh. Soon, things will take a turn for the worse when someone new weighs in about a match played in Moortown between Dublin and Tyrone that casts ugly aspersions upon one of the other/or gets political....then calls for calm, then we turn on our own when the teams are named, then uniformity rules and us bearded Nordies set sail for the capital.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 06, 2008, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: Coddler on August 06, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
ONeill. One specific incident from the 05 replay that did not endear Tyrone to the Dubs. Early on in the game with not much between the teams and Brogan was going well enough. He attempted to kick the ball from out near the sideline and McMenamin foot blocked the attempt injuring Brogan's ankle and forcing his replacment. Dublin's best forward taken out in one neat move. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think he received a yellow for the dangerous tackle either so happy days all round for the stubbly one.
I saw this happen myself Coddler - Im not sure if it was in the wardrobe, or on out in Narnia. ::)
There was zero reference to any fouling action on McMenamins part, and considering the number of replays shown of him that day where he accidentally clipped quinns head in the first half, and the fact that any incident involving him is subject to the highest levels of scrutiny - the commentary team that day mentioned nothing.
So, ill have to call bullshit on that one.
I think I do recall a foot block from Ricey in one of the two games, but it was shot on goal not near the sideline and he was nowhere near injuring a player, lucky enough not to get a free or even a penalty given though.
Tyssam5 - that was the first game. Was a great block, whatever about it being illegal - the man was determined.
The drawn game - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHVMca7COv8
Looks like the lads over on reservoirdubs think they have upset the Nordies on here...... even our old friend Gnevin gets a look-in :D
http://www.reservoirdubs.com/forum/index.php?topic=3322.0 (http://www.reservoirdubs.com/forum/index.php?topic=3322.0)
Dont think they were happy with me being offended with them saying that a certain Tyrone player was a "stuttering little f--ker".
Brilliant :D
Someone has a major chip on their shoulder
"it really does show them up for the sister shagging, pitch fork weilding, dungaree wearing, dub wanabee silage eaters that they are"
:D :D
QuoteAny action gonna be taken??
Yeah they said theres a load being shipping in tonight so dont be worrying.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 07, 2008, 08:33:51 AM
Dont think they were happy with me being offended with them saying that a certain Tyrone player was a "stuttering little f--ker".
Don't know who they're referring to, but it can't be good for the aul sledging if you have a stutter - I wwwassss rrrriiiddinnnnggg yeeeerrrrrr mmmmmaaa llllasssst nnnnighhttttt'
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 06, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
The defeat earlier to a Down team who embarrassed themselves last weekend poses serious questions re the strength of Tyrone this year.
I wouldnt have thought so, Down is always a potentially very difficult game in the Ulster Championship and even the class of 2003 (a better Tyrone team than the current one) had an epic game against them before going on to win Ulster. Down didnt reach anywhere near the same level against Wexford.
All that said there are many questions about the strength of Tyrone. Everybody knows the team isnt near as strong in attack as it was in 2003 and 2005 and even though the quarter final has been reached the team hasnt really turned in a really strong performance for a good while, since Donegal last year probably. Dublin are overhyped I think but thats the nature of the beast with the big support, the wait for Sam and the media focus on them. They certainly have a more settled team than Tyrone, have the momentum and are playing with confidence (and desire). They will win by a few points in my opinion, 5 or 6.
As an aside the charge the McMenamin took out Brogan in 2005 is complete bull, didnt happen. That kind of thing though and the similar nonsense about Tyrone being cheats etc at least suggests we are seen as a threat again as it only seems to surface when Tyrone are contenders and have other teams worried.
I really expect the dublin players to be unbelievably hyped up for this...they will be like men possessed! If they are to win they will need to hold back on this aggression in yer face attitude it isnt a nice aspect to their game...haven't seen it this year but I think it will rear it's ugly head if there's a tight match next week in croker, and throw in the hatred for tyrone (maybe it's a jealousy thing). Could potentially lead to scenes like Omagh. If they win in a tight encounter I'd imagine they'll be going off the field cheering into the tyrone players faces rather than congratulating each other and shaking hands like most other sporting counties!
Quote from: D4S on August 07, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
IIf they win in a tight encounter I'd imagine they'll be going off the field cheering into the tyrone players faces rather than congratulating each other and shaking hands like most other sporting counties!
Ah come on, if they win in a tight encounter, they're all sportsmen, and both teams will behave like it when the whistle's blown at the end of the game, no matter what happens during it.
That reservoirdubs stuff is hilarious, jaysus they have a real persecution complex about everybody hating them (true) and some of the bile directed at Tyrone makes me feel delighted that our lads have really got under their skin... we aren't the team we were, no doubts, but Tyrone will be up for this one, and although i don't believe we'll win Sam this year, I'll settle for beating these over-hyped jackeens
Quote from: red hander on August 07, 2008, 03:01:04 PM
That reservoirdubs stuff is hilarious, jaysus they have a real persecution complex about everybody hating them (true) and some of the bile directed at Tyrone makes me feel delighted that our lads have really got under their skin... we aren't the team we were, no doubts, but Tyrone will be up for this one, and although i don't believe we'll win Sam this year, I'll settle for beating these over-hyped jackeens
I don't hate the dubs at all, if they play great football such as that in the 2nd half of leinster final they're brilliant to watch! I'm just saying I hate it if they start all that other in yer face crap...hopefully they won't! And if they beat Tyrone I'll want them to go on and win the all ireland for definite if they play armagh in semi followed by kerry in the final! But it's a hard run to win Sam and if they do it they'll have beaten the 3 teams en route who hold the last 6allirelands!
Quote from: D4S on August 07, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
If they win in a tight encounter I'd imagine they'll be going off the field cheering into the tyrone players faces rather than congratulating each other and shaking hands like most other sporting counties!
Resdubs is gone to shite, but is this shite any better?
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 07, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 07, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
If they win in a tight encounter I'd imagine they'll be going off the field cheering into the tyrone players faces rather than congratulating each other and shaking hands like most other sporting counties!
Resdubs is gone to shite, but is this shite any better?
the discussion is better on resdubs with anything regarding Dublin tho!
That's just cause you's all pat each other on the back there. ;)
Quote from: Puckoon on August 06, 2008, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: Coddler on August 06, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
ONeill. One specific incident from the 05 replay that did not endear Tyrone to the Dubs. Early on in the game with not much between the teams and Brogan was going well enough. He attempted to kick the ball from out near the sideline and McMenamin foot blocked the attempt injuring Brogan's ankle and forcing his replacment. Dublin's best forward taken out in one neat move. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think he received a yellow for the dangerous tackle either so happy days all round for the stubbly one.
I saw this happen myself Coddler - Im not sure if it was in the wardrobe, or on out in Narnia. ::)
There was zero reference to any fouling action on McMenamins part, and considering the number of replays shown of him that day where he accidentally clipped quinns head in the first half, and the fact that any incident involving him is subject to the highest levels of scrutiny - the commentary team that day mentioned nothing.
So, ill have to call bullshit on that one.
So McMenamin has previous form for a footblock on Quinn in the drawn match. Brogan's sustains an ankle injury after a clash with McMenamin out near the Cusack sideline in the replay and is out for 3 months. But beacause RTE (remember Ger Canning works for them) did not mention a footblock then it's in the realms of a Narnia fantasy to say that Brogan was injured through a footblock?
Have a look at your video recordings and DVDs again lads
You can blame Ricey for alot of stuff. Most of us will put our hands up and acknowledge it. Your report of Brogans injury is the first such report.
Fact - Ricey executed a footblock Vs Opinon (mine) whether he meant for the foot to get there or not isnt certifiable - he made a great (IMO) effort at blocking that shot. It hit his foot.
Fact - Ricey was just coming off the McEntee incident, and his every move was highlighted by RTE, and commentated on by RTE - he was heavily scrutinsed. He hit Quinn a dunt after he missed his first free - RTE were honed in on Quinn after he missed the second one, just waiting for Ricey to shoulder him again - he didnt let them down. There was no mention of a footblock from anywhere within the RTE game panel that entire day - not even after the sunday game programme that night.
Fact - Alan Brogan went off injured (an ankle ligament injury I believe (that part is my opinion) ) Vs Opinion (yours) that Ricey executed an intentional footblock with a side intention to have dublins star man taken out of it.
Opinion (mine) If it is that easy to take Brogan out of it with a footblock - he will be gone within 10 minutes on Sunday. I think you are clutching at straws with regards to Brogans injury. I will watch it again however, as it never gets old watching Mugsy bury one in the hill.
a pro dublin site is criticised for being pro dublin,while a pro ulster site like gaaboard pat each other on the back for being pro ulster and criticise others for being the same in a different context. have to laugh lads, pot,kettle etc.
Quote from: Coddler on August 07, 2008, 06:13:50 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 06, 2008, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: Coddler on August 06, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
ONeill. One specific incident from the 05 replay that did not endear Tyrone to the Dubs. Early on in the game with not much between the teams and Brogan was going well enough. He attempted to kick the ball from out near the sideline and McMenamin foot blocked the attempt injuring Brogan's ankle and forcing his replacment. Dublin's best forward taken out in one neat move. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think he received a yellow for the dangerous tackle either so happy days all round for the stubbly one.
I saw this happen myself Coddler - Im not sure if it was in the wardrobe, or on out in Narnia. ::)
There was zero reference to any fouling action on McMenamins part, and considering the number of replays shown of him that day where he accidentally clipped quinns head in the first half, and the fact that any incident involving him is subject to the highest levels of scrutiny - the commentary team that day mentioned nothing.
So, ill have to call bullshit on that one.
So McMenamin has previous form for a footblock on Quinn in the drawn match. Brogan's sustains an ankle injury after a clash with McMenamin out near the Cusack sideline in the replay and is out for 3 months. But beacause RTE (remember Ger Canning works for them) did not mention a footblock then it's in the realms of a Narnia fantasy to say that Brogan was injured through a footblock?
Have a look at your video recordings and DVDs again lads
Don't have the DVD handy unfortunately, but just because a player gets injured it doesn't mean it the fault of whoever was marking him. You're saying it was a footblock yet the evidence provided shows that there was a footblock but with a different player in a different game. Now you're calling it a 'clash' near the sideline, which is it, did it happen at all. Are you sure Brogan didn't just turn his ankle as happened many a player on the Croke surface around that time?
On a pure technicality, to construe a footblock (foul) as a deliberate attempt to take someone out just doesn't stack up -- only a very jaundiced eye could see malice in that. In a footblock, by definintion, the ball is fouled, not the player, so it really is clutching at straws to convict Ricey on that particular charge.
Puckoon and Tyssam,
Just so there is no confusion I'm referring to the second match. This is when Brogan went off injured.
I didn't know about the footblock on Quinn in the first drawn match until tyssam pointed it out and then ONeill threw up the Youtube clip showing it.
On the second match, only Mcmenamin knows whether he intended to injure Brogan with the footblock. I did not state that is was intentional. Either way the end result was the same. Dublin's best forward gone from the game.
As for it being easy to take Brogan out...Try kicking the sole of someone's football boot a good clatter and see how you get on.
Enjoy the replay on DVD Puckoon. I'd watch that pickup again from 95 on cassette only the Mrs threw it out along with my porn collection ;)
Coddler,
Was under no illusion that you were referring to any other game than the replay - Brogan went off, what really happened him is a mystery. No doubt about it, kicking someones studs hurts like f**k and takes a good 10-15 minutes to run off - but its not a game ending injury unless he broke a bunch of bones - and even then the adrenalin might carry you through. I know, because I feckin seem to do it all the time. Brogan went off almost immediately, and as was mentioned I believe he had some kind of ankle ligament injury - which is hard to blame on kicking someones studs.
You didnt state it was intentional - but you definitely implied it.
Anyways, shame about that 95 tape. Ill lend you the 05 dvds if you want... ;)
Jeez you have to laugh at a Dublin fanzine website being criticised for being rabidly pro Dublin. It's no wonder we're paranoid and convinced everyone is against us!!!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 07, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Jeez you have to laugh at a Dublin fanzine website being criticised for being rabidly pro Dublin. It's no wonder we're paranoid and convinced everyone is against us!!!
D'oh! How could I forget that the love of Dublin isn't possible without hating the Culchies! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 07, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Jeez you have to laugh at a Dublin fanzine website being criticised for being rabidly pro Dublin. It's no wonder we're paranoid and convinced everyone is against us!!!
D'oh! How could I forget that the love of Dublin isn't possible without hating the Culchies! ;)
Could the opposite not also be true.
As for the Ricey/Brogan incident. I couldn't attest to it being intentional, but it was certainly dangerous.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 07, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 07, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
If they win in a tight encounter I'd imagine they'll be going off the field cheering into the tyrone players faces rather than congratulating each other and shaking hands like most other sporting counties!
Resdubs is gone to shite, but is this shite any better?
Et Tu HHNB
Et Tu?
Quote from: rdw on August 07, 2008, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 07, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Jeez you have to laugh at a Dublin fanzine website being criticised for being rabidly pro Dublin. It's no wonder we're paranoid and convinced everyone is against us!!!
D'oh! How could I forget that the love of Dublin isn't possible without hating the Culchies! ;)
Could the opposite not also be true.
As for the Ricey/Brogan incident. I couldn't attest to it being intentional, but it was certainly dangerous.
If it certainly happened. So far what we have are one mans opinions and a bunch of speculations - and there hasnt been much written/said about that incident in 3 years!!
Quote from: Puckoon on August 07, 2008, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: rdw on August 07, 2008, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 07, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Jeez you have to laugh at a Dublin fanzine website being criticised for being rabidly pro Dublin. It's no wonder we're paranoid and convinced everyone is against us!!!
D'oh! How could I forget that the love of Dublin isn't possible without hating the Culchies! ;)
Could the opposite not also be true.
As for the Ricey/Brogan incident. I couldn't attest to it being intentional, but it was certainly dangerous.
If it certainly happened. So far what we have are one mans opinions and a bunch of speculations - and there hasnt been much written/said about that incident in 3 years!!
Not expecting you to believe my word. But it happened.
Don't even know why I'm still talking about it, sure isn't it all water under the bridge.
Best of luck saturday week.
It's hardly breaking news that a defender may in fact wish to take out of the game an opposing forward while in the process of going for the ball. Wake up and smell the coffee lads.
Quote from: rdw on August 07, 2008, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 07, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 07, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
If they win in a tight encounter I'd imagine they'll be going off the field cheering into the tyrone players faces rather than congratulating each other and shaking hands like most other sporting counties!
Resdubs is gone to shite, but is this shite any better?
Et Tu HHNB
Et Tu?
Not sure what you are getting at, I've acknowledged theres a load of shite posted on resdubs, but surely you agree comments like that are no better?
How the hell is this thread second page material - the GAA revolves around Tyrone.
I'd say a lot of people are holding back until next week to talk crap. Lets hope for an injury free week. Best draw possible, if the team are capable of lifting themselves to the next level this is the game that would bring it out. No point in staying in the championship if your not good enough.
Bit of bad news today. The beard was coming on rightly but herself has given me until Sunday to decide if it's the beard or her.
Don't worry ONeill a lot of marriages end these days. I'm sure you'll find someone pretty soon.
Have you any sisters?
I have 5 you can have 1 of them, how would you feel about a Down Tyrone inter marriage? Im doing it fairly soon!
I've a sister who married a Jackeen so it couldn't bring any further disgrace on the family. Used to do a lot of courting around Crossgar/Killyleagh/Portaferry in my youth.
That's the hurling part of the county O'Neill we're in the redneck south of down where the catholics live!
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2008, 07:33:30 PM
Bit of bad news today. The beard was coming on rightly but herself has given me until Sunday to decide if it's the beard or her.
If you could grow the oul beard on top instead of your gub, there'd be no problem with the wife
Anyways lads, less of this revenge for 1995 malarky, that's all in the past. It's 1984 I'm badly, very badly, thirsting for revenge for... jeez did they humiliate us that day! Remember '84!
Poor Frank had 4 men hanging out of him that day. I remember blood - was it Lynch or Rock?
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2008, 08:45:34 PM
Poor Frank had 4 men hanging out of him that day. I remember blood - was it Lynch or Rock?
Not totally sure ONeill, Lynch I think. Sad traipse from the theatre of dreams though, wondering where it all might lead, if ever, eventually.
* Do you reckon there's a bit of foaming at the mouth on Reservoirdubs now, at this indignation over '84? ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2008, 07:33:30 PM
Bit of bad news today. The beard was coming on rightly but herself has given me until Sunday to decide if it's the beard or her.
Did you tell her you were going to miss her?
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2008, 07:33:30 PM
Bit of bad news today. The beard was coming on rightly but herself has given me until Sunday to decide if it's the beard or her.
If you were from Derry, I would have told you to tell her to grow one herself. Ah well.
Ach she says it adds 15 years to an already aging appearance. I'll see what Sunday brings.
Dublin '84 was a truly awful experience although it probably drove the side on to the feats of '86.
84 , was that the day the dubs were beating the Gardai behind the goals?
I'm shaving in the morning guys. I look like a wino that used to sit at the old Town Hall in Omagh, with the soaked brown paper bag and a bottle of wine.
I am actually growing fond of mine! :)
Quote from: ziggysego on August 08, 2008, 11:17:32 PM
I'm shaving in the morning guys. I look like a wino that used to sit at the old Town Hall in Omagh, with the soaked brown paper bag and a bottle of wine.
Ride the waves, Ziggy. Hold out for a wee while. Civil rights '68 an all that.
Tramps. :D
The wife has harvested a few ingrown ones I had there today and is taking them into the ER with her tomorrow to use as sutures.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 09, 2008, 05:54:15 AM
The wife has harvested a few ingrown ones I had there today and is taking them into the ER with her tomorrow to use as sutures.
Translation of the above for us Micks...
The quare one has reefed out a couppla ingrown ones I had there today and is taking a lock o'them to the hockibal to use as stitches.
Not all that happy with Wexford beating Armagh. A danger of the wrong attitdue subconsciously creeping into the Dubs.
Plus if the Dubs do prove good enough to beat Tyrone, we would have ran rings around that Armagh team in a semi.
The Hound at 4.01pm......
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Crikey, I'm very glad the game has been deferred by a week. Would not fancy standing on the Hill in that storm!
thought kerry were mighty impressive today.
Considering the conditions, they were bloody awesome!
The battle for 2nd perhaps.
Dublin v Tyrone has just come up in the QF draw in the Ladies Football championship. Tie to be played next week. Be the perfect curtain raiser to the men's battle?
Probably will be. Worked out nicely that they came out of the hat together and gave the gaa a match to put on before the big one.
Would be interested to know who Wexford would prefer to face in s/f? My guess is they would prefer Tyrone. Ulster teams seem to suit them.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 09, 2008, 07:31:00 PM
Would be interested to know who Wexford would prefer to face in s/f? My guess is they would prefer Tyrone. Ulster teams seem to suit them.
I doubt they give a flying f**k who they play,They are there and to them thats all that matters at the moment
We owe Wexford one for the NFL semi final. Then again, we beat them in their patch in the back door of '02.
How do they face the Dubs after that mauling - hardly any motivation needed!
Charlie Redmond says in the paper today that "Dublin will beat Tyrone next Saturday" - no ifs or buts. Might not bother going to the game now.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 10, 2008, 01:21:17 PM
Charlie Redmond says in the paper today that "Dublin will beat Tyrone next Saturday" - no ifs or buts. Might not bother going to the game now.
Journalist makes prediction ahead of championship game. Real wall of the dressing room stuff.
I can't believe it!
A pundit makes a prediction!
Fookin hell. I'm not turning up either.
Pundits usually give their opinions and say who they think will win. Charlie Redmond didnt say he thought Dublin would win, he said they would win.
when the draw was made i was confident enough of tyrone beating the dubs but the results of the last couple of weekends have made me very less confident. will ulster have no semi-final representative for the 3rd year in a row?
I'm of the same frame of mind as you. We got to keep the Ulster flag flying and keep our date with destiny against Wexford. Shaved by the way, lovely clean face now. I feel good :)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 10, 2008, 03:43:40 PM
Pundits usually give their opinions and say who they think will win. Charlie Redmond didnt say he thought Dublin would win, he said they would win.
Cut out the article and post it to Mickey Harte - he can base his teamtalk around it - "Dya see what the 'Dublin media' think of our chances - he didn't even preface his prediction with a 'in my opinion'."
ps - what are you doing reading The Sunday World?
Do you stick "in my opinion" at the top of your bookie slips?
Te dirty dubs against the dirty divers - sure to be a classic, come on de nordies!
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on August 10, 2008, 05:25:48 PM
Te dirty dubs against the dirty divers - sure to be a classic, come on de nordies!
Jesus it's 1975 again ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2008, 07:36:41 PM
We owe Wexford one for the NFL semi final. Then again, we beat them in their patch in the back door of '02.
How do they face the Dubs after that mauling - hardly any motivation needed!
Wexford beating us by a point in that NFL semi-final in Portlaoise was the best thing to happen us in 2005 ... the team 'meeting' in the corner of the pitch after the game as the rain came down in sheets seemed to sort a few things out judging by the intensity of the discussions going on among the players...
I saw the look of disappointment on the Tyrone players' faces after the Down replay this year in Newry. No way they'd want that to happen again in one season.
Tyrone will cruise to a comfortable victory, after a shaky start.
Talking to a lot of neutrals they can't bear the sight of Dublin winninh nut they all reckon Dublin will have a bit too much for Tyrone on Saturday - Tyrone will need everything to go right for them to win on Saturday.
How are the tickets ?
I've applied for my ticket orangeman.
When are the tickets available on ticketmaster.ie as my sister wants me to get her two.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 10, 2008, 08:27:29 PM
I've applied for my ticket orangeman.
When are the tickets available on ticketmaster.ie as my sister wants me to get her two.
Way too late there Ziggy - sold out last week.
Got my ticket last week, from a Dub!
I hope Mickey proves the doubters wrong (including myself) and sees off the Dubs. I don't expect that to happen this year. I have seen nothing from Tyrone this year to suggest we can beat an on-form Dublin. However, there's always the chance of a one-off performance of '05 vintage from Mickey's men.
I think Mickey is going to have to take a chance and start Mulligan in this one. He has a good bit of training behind him now and should be close to full fitness, although a lack of games could be a problem. Still think he's the one forward we have that is most likely to deliver on the big stage and along with Cavanagh could cause the Dubs plenty of problems at the back.
It's difficult to judge the Dubs this year. They were shaky enough in the league and looked no more than decent in Leinster apart from one half. Hopefully with a highly motivated Tyrone team we will make the Dubs play in a high tempo game that they've yet to experience this year. I'd be worried about Davy against the mobile/strong Dublin forwards and would rather see him come on in the 2nd half when the pace may have slightly dropped slightly.
I assume more tickets will become available on ticketmaster this week after the Dublin/Tyrone clubs are sorted out.
I think Tyrone do have one big performance in them this year and with the right motivation and they get into the right frame of mind.
Mulligan will have to make an appearance somewhere on the day, something about Dublin that makes him rise to the challenge.
Tyrone will win this match, of that I've no doubt.
I've been wrong all year, so hopefully that won't continue.
As the match draws nearer I'm thinking that Mugsy has to start if we are to have a chance. A two man full forward line with Mulligan and Sean Cavanagh and maybe Joe McMahon playing the 3rd midfielder role maybe the way forward. I would also be of the opinion to start Brian McGuigan on the bench and get a good last 20-25 mins from him when hopefully the game is in the melting pot.
I'm actually quietly confident about the game. Tyrone are massive underdogs with many neutrals expecting a Dublin win. I think we could nick it by 2 points.
The only thing Tyrone can hope for is some mercy and I don't see any chance of the Dubs slacking off.
It's going to be a unmerciful romp by Dublin.
So one sided that it won't be a game for the neutrals.
The nation expects and wants a Dublin V Kerry classic.
There is no place this year for cinderellas.
Quote from: Main Street on August 10, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
The only thing Tyrone can hope for is some mercy and I don't see any chance of the Dubs slacking off.
It's going to be a unmerciful romp by Dublin.
So one sided that it won't be a game for the neutrals.
The nation expects and wants a Dublin V Kerry classic.
There is no place this year for cinderellas.
You're 100% right Main Street - no doubt about it !
mugsy and mulgrew played for cookstown against pomeroy in a challenge game on friday night. was talking to someone who was at it and they said that mulgrew was flying but mugsy still looked off the pace.
The closer this games get the more annoyed i get that i'm not going to get to it due to being in belgium and the fact that i'm camping at a festival means i'll more than likely not get to watch it on tv either. Anyone know of any decent irish bars in Brussels that would show GAA? If the festivals not too far from brussels that could be an option.
I'm also quietly confident that we'll get something out of this game. No one is giving Tyrone a chance which will suit us down to the ground! Tyrone by 3.
Quote from: CoDeo2 on August 11, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
No one is giving Tyrone a chance which will suit us down to the ground! Tyrone by 3.
Yeah, no-one apart from the legion of Tyrone fans on this board..
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2008, 08:25:37 PM
Talking to a lot of neutrals they can't bear the sight of Dublin winninh nut they all reckon Dublin will have a bit too much for Tyrone on Saturday - Tyrone will need everything to go right for them to win on Saturday.
How are the tickets ?
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2008, 08:25:37 PM
Talking to a lot of neutrals they can't bear the sight of Dublin winninh nut they all reckon Dublin will have a bit too much for Tyrone on Saturday - Tyrone will need everything to go right for them to win on Saturday.
How are the tickets ?
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Not everyone hates us Orangeman. I am surprised of the amount of non Dubs I have met who have told me they want the Dubs to win. They are not the loudmouth barstool mouthy types . Our style of football seems to be winning people over plus the manner we have taken our beatings seems to have impressed the GAA community.
Don't know many Northern people so I assume from this board that the hatred for Dublin must be very concentrated up North.
Any truth that Stephen O'Neill is returning for this?
Yes it is true. Iggy Jones aswell.
Simply cant see the Dubs losing this one. They look like a team on a mission this season having eradicated alot of their distracting problems. Excellent midifield and scoring forwards. Perhaps backline not the tighest but they have alot of mobility there and all over the field.
Tyrone are not what they were in 05/03. I expect a competitive match but think the Dubs will come through and benefit from it.
All the Sunday game pundits are going for Dublin - great news !!!!! ;)
As a Tyrone fan it's great for a change to be heading into a game not expecting to win it! If an upset is on the cars so much the better. We have to accept that the establishment and therfore the ref will be giving the Dubs every chance, therefore a 1 point Tyrone win just won't happen.
Quote from: southdown on August 11, 2008, 01:29:44 PM
Any truth that Stephen O'Neill is returning for this?
Funny... I was heading to the dump in Dunamanagh this morning with some old cardboard boxes, ans Stephen was out on the bike for a run. Looks like he is certain to start looking at him.
I remember the last time in the championship that Tyrone went in as underdogs - Donegal last year. So fingers crossed. If there is one team that Tyrone can motivate themselves to beat, its the Dubs in Croker.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 11, 2008, 02:36:59 PM
Stephen was out on the bike for a run.
Fcuk, this O'Neill fella is good ;)
Quote from: full back on August 11, 2008, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 11, 2008, 02:36:59 PM
Stephen was out on the bike for a run.
Fcuk, this O'Neill fella is good ;)
You should have known that before now ! ;) ;)
I've also saw him doing chin-ups on the bar before as well up in Aughabrack
I'll say Mickey will play him at FB and move Justy to MF to free up Mellon for FF
Cork, Kerry and Wexford are all safely through to the All-Ireland football semi-finals so the focus now switches to the remaining quarter-final when Leinster champions, Dublin take on Tyrone in Croke Park next Saturday (4.00pm).
It will be the 5th championship clash between the counties with Dublin having won two to Tyrone,Äôs one while there has been one draw from the previous four meetings. The sides last clashed in the championship in 2005 when Tyrone won an All-Ireland quarter-final tie in a replay.
Paths to the quarter-final
Dublin
Dublin 1-22 Louth 0-12 (Leinster quarter-final)
Dublin 0-13 Westmeath 1-8 (Leinster semi-final)
Dublin 3-23 Wexford 0-9 (Leinster final)
Average For: 1-21; Average Against: 0-11.
Dublin scorers
A Brogan..........2-11
T Quinn............0-14 (0-10 frees, 0-1 ,Äô45)
C Keaney..........0-11 (0-9 frees)
D Connolly.......1-5
J Sherlock.........0-6
M Vaughan......1-1
C Moran...........0-4
B Cahill.............0-2
P Andrews........0-1
D Henry...........0-1
C Whelan.........0-1
S Ryan..............0-1
Tyrone
Down 2-8 Tyrone 2-8 (Ulster quarter-final)
Down 1-19 Tyrone 0-21 (replay - extra-time)
Tyrone 1-18 Louth 1-10 (R1 qualifier)
Tyrone 0-14 Westmeath 1-7 (R2 qualifier)
Tyrone 0-13 Mayo 1-9 (R3 qualifier)
Average For: 1-14; Average Against: 1-11.
Tyrone scorers
C McCullagh...........1-13 (0-3 frees)
S Cavanagh..............1-13 (0-2 frees)
T McGuigan............0-15 (0-10 frees)
E McGinley.............1-4
C Cavanagh..............0-6 (0-5 frees)
B Dooher..................0-5
M Penrose................0-5
R Mellon.................0-3
B McGuigan............0-3
P Jordan..................0-2
D Harte....................0-2
K Hughes.................0-1
D McCaul................0-1
R McMenamin........0-1
Previous championship clashes
2005: Tyrone 2-18 Dublin 1-14 (All-Ireland quarter-final replay)
2005: Tyrone 1-14 Dublin 1-14 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
1995: Dublin 1-10 Tyrone 0-12 (All-Ireland final)
1984: Dublin 2-11 Tyrone 0-8 (All-Ireland semi-final)
How they fared in All-Ireland quarter-finals Dublin have played no fewer than nine quarter-final games, winning three, losing three and drawing three over the past seven seasons. The only year they missed out on the quarter-finals since the new championship format was introduced was in 2003.
2007: Dublin 0-18 Derry 0-15
2006: Dublin 1-12 Westmeath 0-5
2005: Tyrone 2-18 Dublin 1-14 (replay)
2005: Dublin 1-14 Tyrone 1-14 (draw)
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8
2002: Dublin 1-14 Donegal 0-7 (replay)
2002: Dublin 2-8 Donegal 0-14(draw)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (replay)
2001: Dublin 2-11 Kerry 1-14 (draw)
Played 9, Won 3, Draw 3, Lost 3.
Tyrone reached the quarter-finals five times since the new championship system was introduced in 2001. They were beaten in 2001-2004-2007 but won in 2003 and 2005 (replay)
2007: Meath 1-13 Tyrone 2-8
2005: Tyrone 2-18 Dublin 1-14 (replay)
2005: Tyrone 1-14 Dublin 1-14
2004: Mayo 0-16 Tyrone 1-9
2003: Tyrone 1-21 Fermanagh 0-5
2001: Derry 1-9 Tyrone 0-7
Played 6, Won 2, Drew 1, Lost 3.
If teams line out as expected, Gormley will be down to shadow Sherlock. I haven't watched the Dubs this year apart from a bit of the Wexford debacle - how is Pillar deploying Jayo? Is he actually playing a CHF role and what will Gormley expect to come up against.
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2008, 04:37:27 PM
If teams line out as expected, Gormley will be down to shadow Sherlock. I haven't watched the Dubs this year apart from a bit of the Wexford debacle - how is Pillar deploying Jayo? Is he actually playing a CHF role and what will Gormley expect to come up against.
From what I remember of the Laois game that I was at, Jayo played CHF, but pulled out wide on a number of occasions, and then carried the ball back in field quite a lot. It was a while ago now, but that's what I seem to remember. I don't think I ever saw him much outside the half forward line, either towards or away from the goal.
But then, I was just there to enjoy the match as a neutral, I wasn't looking at anyone in particular so I could be wrong.
Quote from: under the bar on August 11, 2008, 02:34:55 PM
We have to accept that the establishment and therfore the ref will be giving the Dubs every chance
:D :D :D :D :D
Jaysus at least wait until the ref does cheat for Dublin (as he always does apparantly) before whingeing about it!!
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 11, 2008, 04:51:11 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 11, 2008, 02:34:55 PM
We have to accept that the establishment and therfore the ref will be giving the Dubs every chance
:D :D :D :D :D
Jaysus at least wait until the ref does cheat for Dublin (as he always does apparantly) before whingeing about it!!
As a matter of interest who is the ref for the game? Has it been announced yet?
*Prays it's not Paddy Russell* ;)
So, going by the Dublin stats, stop Brogan and don't concede any frees and hey presto, Jacks in the box again. Although Tyrone have played more games, they do seem to have a greater bank of scoring potential without having a classic target man.
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2008, 05:11:12 PM
So, going by the Dublin stats, stop Brogan and don't concede any frees and hey presto
Impossible, sure wont the ref just give us some frees anyway, even if ye dont foul ;)
Quote from: Doohicky on August 11, 2008, 05:00:35 PM
As a matter of interest who is the ref for the game? Has it been announced yet?
*Prays it's not Paddy Russell* ;)
Sure you should love Paddy Russell, didnt he let ye away with murder when we played in Omagh?
discuss ;)
Perhaps Paddy is the man for the job, as he can complete his penance for the sins committed upon us in 1995 :P
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 11, 2008, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: Doohicky on August 11, 2008, 05:00:35 PM
As a matter of interest who is the ref for the game? Has it been announced yet?
*Prays it's not Paddy Russell* ;)
Sure you should love Paddy Russell, didnt he let ye away with murder when we played in Omagh?
discuss ;)
Ahhhh please not that again. Best let sleeping dogs lie.
Who do you think is the best man for Brogan? Gormley in an ideal world but it'll take The Block away from where he's most effective. I think Ricey's too dicey for the job from the start. With Quinn likely out, perhaps Gourley.
To answer your earlier question O'Neill, Sherlock's time has been split between centre forward and corner forward - probably 50/50. There is still plenty of rotation in the Dublin forwards, though not as much as the last two years I think.
Any news on a likely Dublin team lads? I hear there'll be a couple of changes, but I don't know who. Presumably Nolan will lose out, with Shocko or McConnell to come back. Ger Brennan back in the panel, but would hardly come straight in? In the forwards I guess Bonner is the one most at risk, with Bernard Brogan back available. I'd love it if Pillar had a positive attitude and played his 5 best forwards (+freetaker) but I wonder is he tempted to leave something in reserve (i.e. Connolly or Bernard) and play a bigger/stronger wing forward....
Hound - Likely to be -
Cluxton
Henry McConnell Griffen
Cahill Cullen Moran
Whelan Ryan
Keaney Sherlock Bonner
Brogan Connolly Quinn
Leave Brogan to come on if required as not match fit and the likes of Shocko, Nolan, Andrews, Brennan, Fennell, Magee etc all on the bench if required...
Quote from: Canalman on August 11, 2008, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2008, 08:25:37 PM
Talking to a lot of neutrals they can't bear the sight of Dublin winninh nut they all reckon Dublin will have a bit too much for Tyrone on Saturday - Tyrone will need everything to go right for them to win on Saturday.
How are the tickets ?
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Not everyone hates us Orangeman. I am surprised of the amount of non Dubs I have met who have told me they want the Dubs to win. They are not the loudmouth barstool mouthy types . Our style of football seems to be winning people over plus the manner we have taken our beatings seems to have impressed the GAA community.
Don't know many Northern people so I assume from this board that the hatred for Dublin must be very concentrated up North.
Don't worry Canalman there is no hatred of Dublin up North. People only typical hate winning teams.
Maybe people hated Dublin the '70s? But now most people have a soft spot for them, kind of like Fermanagh.
Quote from: Hound on August 11, 2008, 06:55:08 PM
To answer your earlier question O'Neill, Sherlock's time has been split between centre forward and corner forward - probably 50/50. There is still plenty of rotation in the Dublin forwards, though not as much as the last two years I think.
Any news on a likely Dublin team lads? I hear there'll be a couple of changes, but I don't know who. Presumably Nolan will lose out, with Shocko or McConnell to come back. Ger Brennan back in the panel, but would hardly come straight in? In the forwards I guess Bonner is the one most at risk, with Bernard Brogan back available. I'd love it if Pillar had a positive attitude and played his 5 best forwards (+freetaker) but I wonder is he tempted to leave something in reserve (i.e. Connolly or Bernard) and play a bigger/stronger wing forward....
As it stands - Bonner will start ahead of B Brogan and McConnell in for Nolan.
Well only 65 hours to go until touch wood the last of Ulster football has been removed from the championship and we can look forward to a repeat of the Munster/Leinster championship finals and the nerves are jangling already....Form, players availability etc everything points to a Dublin victory but until we fully crush one of the so called big 3 teams there will always be a slight doubt about the mental side of things and I expect that this will be taken care of this weekend coming...I want to see a continuation of the 2nd half against Wexford's performance with the ball being moved quickly and at pace to the forward line who should be able to take on the backs one on one to our benefit....I want no reaction to the off the ball stunts that will be pulled or the verbals, just keep the foot down and beat them playing football the way it should be played with no pity just like we did against Wexford which means I want 50-50 balls being won in teh 70th min like it was the first minute no matter how much we are winning by...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 12, 2008, 01:17:43 AM
Well only 65 hours to go until touch wood the last of Ulster football has been removed from the championship and we can look forward to a repeat of the Munster/Leinster championship finals and the nerves are jangling already....Form, players availability etc everything points to a Dublin victory but until we fully crush one of the so called big 3 teams there will always be a slight doubt about the mental side of things and I expect that this will be taken care of this weekend coming...I want to see a continuation of the 2nd half against Wexford's performance with the ball being moved quickly and at pace to the forward line who should be able to take on the backs one on one to our benefit....I want no reaction to the off the ball stunts that will be pulled or the verbals, just keep the foot down and beat them playing football the way it should be played with no pity just like we did against Wexford which means I want 50-50 balls being won in teh 70th min like it was the first minute no matter how much we are winning by...
It's quite a while since I've seen a Tyrone team crushed, it'll be a surreal experience I expect ;)
But regardless, a slight doubt over the mental side? When a Tyrone team that have produced 1 decent performance in the Championship since 2005 All Ireland Final are still talked about as part of "the big 3" and needing to "crush" them, you know the doubts are creeping in :-*
And on a side note, I am led to believe that the Dubs are getting all the Hill tickets for the game.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 12, 2008, 02:01:50 AM
And on a side note, I am led to believe that the Dubs are getting all the Hill tickets for the game.
Of course. Its not as if there are thousands of Tyronies who would prefer to stand in the open rather than sit in the stands! In any event the Tyrone County Board only requested stand tickets.
Hope the heavens open like they did during the Kerry game and soak the hoors. It will the first shower some of them will ever have taken. ;D. Could you picture it they would look like drowned rats.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 12, 2008, 01:17:43 AM
Well only 65 hours to go until touch wood the last of Ulster football has been removed from the championship and we can look forward to a repeat of the Munster/Leinster championship finals and the nerves are jangling already....Form, players availability etc everything points to a Dublin victory but until we fully crush one of the so called big 3 teams there will always be a slight doubt about the mental side of things and I expect that this will be taken care of this weekend coming...I want to see a continuation of the 2nd half against Wexford's performance with the ball being moved quickly and at pace to the forward line who should be able to take on the backs one on one to our benefit....I want no reaction to the off the ball stunts that will be pulled or the verbals, just keep the foot down and beat them playing football the way it should be played with no pity just like we did against Wexford which means I want 50-50 balls being won in teh 70th min like it was the first minute no matter how much we are winning by...
Has the match been brought forward or whats happening on Thursday night?
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 12, 2008, 02:01:50 AM
And on a side note, I am led to believe that the Dubs are getting all the Hill tickets for the game.
That's all they can afford.
Mick O'Dwyer says the whole country wants to see a Kerry v Dublin final, Marty McHugh is praying for it and now Paddy Power is taking bets on it.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 12, 2008, 10:10:28 AM
Mick O'Dwyer says the whole country wants to see a Kerry v Dublin final, Marty McHugh is praying for it and now Paddy Power is taking bets on it.
:D :D :D :D
This is just about perfect! Can you imagine if Dublin beat Tyrone and then were to be beat by Wexford :D :D
Quote from: Zapatista on August 12, 2008, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 12, 2008, 10:10:28 AM
Mick O'Dwyer says the whole country wants to see a Kerry v Dublin final, Marty McHugh is praying for it and now Paddy Power is taking bets on it.
:D :D :D :D
This is just about perfect! Can you imagine if Dublin beat Tyrone and then were to be beat by Wexford :D :D
No i cant imagine that!
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2008, 08:37:11 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 12, 2008, 02:01:50 AM
And on a side note, I am led to believe that the Dubs are getting all the Hill tickets for the game.
Of course. Its not as if there are thousands of Tyronies who would prefer to stand in the open rather than sit in the stands! In any event the Tyrone County Board only requested stand tickets.
I've a ticket for the Hill.
The excitement is palpable in Tyrone for the first time in a couple of years. Mickey, in today's IN, reckons Tyrone will have no nerves whatsoever and says this team historically have played their best football before the largest crowds. Hard to disagree with that.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 12, 2008, 02:01:50 AM
And on a side note, I am led to believe that the Dubs are getting all the Hill tickets for the game.
Who lead you to believe that Tyrone86?
Cant wait for this Saturday, definately the draw of the championship to date, have the Dubs got the rocks to beat a team outside Leinster??? Is there a dying kick in Tyrone?? Im predicting the magic man will be the one to shoot down the Dubs again!! Think MH has to start him, its the sort of game he could rise to.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40736000/jpg/_40736352_mulligan300.jpg)
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 12, 2008, 01:44:18 PM
Cant wait for this Saturday, definately the draw of the championship to date, have the Dubs got the rocks to beat a team outside Leinster???
Got over that hurdle last year Dirtydozen.
Does anyone think the above picture is NOT a foul
No Armagh lads may reply.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
Does anyone think the above picture is NOT a foul
No Armagh lads may reply.
Definitely not a foul ! That's the way the Dubs play, so sorry no foul - In fact I think that should be a yellow for Mulligan ! ;)
Yeah Typical Tyrone Dive
I bet ye he went down very easy hopefully like most of the Dublin girls this Sat night
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2008, 02:03:11 PM
Yeah Typical Tyrone Dive
I bet ye he went down very easy hopefully like most of the Dublin girls this Sat night
Where ?
If i were a Dublin supporter i'd be very nervy about this game, with a lot riding on it. Win it and it will give a massive confidence boost for the AI chances (though can't see anyone beating Kerry), lose it and it's the end of the road for this team and manager in terms of ever winning an AI. Tyrone aren't great but they do have the personnel who can deliver big performances. There's a lot of question marks hanging over Dublin. I can really see Tyrone being up for this one and a few of their misfiring forwards finally hitting starting to hit the target, with the likes of Cavanagh, McMenamin, Dooher and Gormley driving the team on.
This is about the third year in a row now we have been told if Dublin dont win its the end of the road for this team / manager.
Its Pillars last year either way I'd say. But the bulk of the team still has plenty left in them. The only exceptions being whelan and sherlock.
Quote from: Armamike on August 12, 2008, 02:11:25 PM
If i were a Dublin supporter i'd be very nervy about this game, with a lot riding on it. Win it and it will give a massive confidence boost for the AI chances (though can't see anyone beating Kerry), lose it and it's the end of the road for this team and manager in terms of ever winning an AI. Tyrone aren't great but they do have the personnel who can deliver big performances. There's a lot of question marks hanging over Dublin. I can really see Tyrone being up for this one and a few of their misfiring forwards finally hitting starting to hit the target, with the likes of Cavanagh, McMenamin, Dooher and Gormley driving the team on.
That's the ideal and quite possible scenario. The other is that the Jacks blow us away early and hammer a humiliating final nail into our most successful era. Or it'll be a humdinger of a draw. Or a dour draw. Betting men will stay away.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 12, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
This is about the third year in a row now we have been told if Dublin dont win its the end of the road for this team / manager.
Its Pillars last year either way I'd say. But the bulk of the team still has plenty left in them. The only exceptions being whelan and sherlock.
If Dublin win the AI he'll be back for more !
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 12, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
This is about the third year in a row now we have been told if Dublin dont win its the end of the road for this team / manager.
Its Pillars last year either way I'd say. But the bulk of the team still has plenty left in them. The only exceptions being whelan and sherlock.
Aye, but there comes a time where the team have to put up or shut up (i.e. get to an AI final at least). Dublin have fallen well short since 2002. When are they going to deliver if not now? They need to get to a final at least to show progress and even if they get beat then there's something to build on for next time.
By the way, the beard is now 11 days old and at Gourley standard. Making it til Saturday is touch and go.
I love the Dub fans too they do enjoy the auld banter.
If the Dub fans get the going and the team harness it they are like a 16th man. If the team are under performing the fans can seem like a burden on the team too.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 12, 2008, 03:02:45 PM
I love the Dub fans too they do enjoy the auld banter.
If the Dub fans get the going and the team harness it they are like a 16th man. If the team are under performing the fans can seem like a burden on the team too.
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Let's hope they're a burden this Saturday ! ;)
SO, are we expecting any changes apart from Quinn's likely omission? If he is out, will Gourley be handed another starting slot?
Tyrone are finished.
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2008, 03:26:16 PM
Tyrone are finished.
Stick a fork in Tyrone....
(http://z.about.com/d/bbq/1/0/b/O/finished_chicken.JPG)
Their coose is gooked.
:D
touché
Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2008, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: Armamike on August 12, 2008, 02:11:25 PM
If i were a Dublin supporter i'd be very nervy about this game, with a lot riding on it. Win it and it will give a massive confidence boost for the AI chances (though can't see anyone beating Kerry), lose it and it's the end of the road for this team and manager in terms of ever winning an AI. Tyrone aren't great but they do have the personnel who can deliver big performances. There's a lot of question marks hanging over Dublin. I can really see Tyrone being up for this one and a few of their misfiring forwards finally hitting starting to hit the target, with the likes of Cavanagh, McMenamin, Dooher and Gormley driving the team on.
That's the ideal and quite possible scenario. The other is that the Jacks blow us away early and hammer a humiliating final nail into our most successful era. Or it'll be a humdinger of a draw. Or a dour draw. Betting men will stay away.
Yep, there's a number of possibilities. I'd be surprised though if Tyrone go out with a whimper.
Quote from: hardstation on August 12, 2008, 04:11:30 PM
Nevr mind the football. Is the boul forkinknife going to catch up with ONeill and give him a good kicking?
We've actually become close friends since the floodlit game and are meeting up for a pint afterwards and then going to a disco.
Shane, can you not arrange a transfer transplant, ie facial hair to head? I bet you look like Alex Maskey :D
PS I have decided to attend on Saturday. Having witnessed the death of my own County last Saturday, I want to be there when either Dublin or Tyrone shuffle off this mortal coil ;D
Whats the forecast for Saturday like anyway?
Lashing here still, dont fancy standing on the hill in that!
The Dubs don't realise what they'll be facing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85kdsqybxe8
Unfortunately not. Big feed of eels 'n' custard would do the trick.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 12, 2008, 04:35:47 PM
Whats the forecast for Saturday like anyway?
Lashing here still, dont fancy standing on the hill in that!
Not good, from RTE:
3 Day OutlookThe weather continues to remain very unsettled with no hope at all of any real improvement this week or over the weekend. Most of the showers will die away tomorrow night and it will be fairly clear through the night-time. Thursday and Friday won't be the wettest days of the week. There will be showers on Thursday but also good dry periods when the weather may be nice and bright and sunny. There will be a good deal of dry bright weather too for the first half of Friday. But then during the day on Friday cloud will increase and outbreaks of rain will start to develop. But it will be over the weekend that the rain will get very heavy once more. During Saturday another Atlantic depression will come close to Ireland. That will give more torrential rain, cloudbursts and downpours and lead on to more flooding. Then an improvement for Sunday but the day is still likely to be showery.
Prehaps the coming storm is to signal the rebirth of Tyrone football and Dublin will be blown away....
Yeah, will have to keep an eye on the Dubs.
From todays Irish Times:
Ryan's Tyrone memories still vivid
GAVIN CUMMISKEY
TYRONE ARE well placed to ruin Dublin's summer. They still possess players capable of raising their game beyond the mediocre form they have shown so far this championship.
Granted, Stephen O'Neill and Peter Canavan - two of football's greatest forwards - have retired and, for sure, it must be difficult for manager Mickey Harte to motivate men with two Celtic crosses to recapture the intensity of 2005, when their 10-game odyssey ended with an All-Ireland final victory over Kerry.
Before that final they defeated Armagh in the semi-final and Dublin, after a replay, in the last eight. If anything can re-energise the big-game players Brian Dooher leads on to the field on Saturday afternoon, it is the sight of a crammed Croke Park painted blue with spots of Northern white and red.
"It seems like a lot more than just a few years ago," says the Dublin midfielder Shane Ryan of the 2005 meeting. "Yeah, memories of that are just how good Tyrone were. Maybe we outdid ourselves a bit, drawing with them the first day.
"We're two different teams now. It's a whole new challenge for us. They are still such a hard team to play against - the style they play. The challenge is to try and cope with that. We have been training - trying to gear ourselves to counteract that. How we can break them down."
True, both teams have changed dramatically since 2005. Tyrone have been plagued by injuries, while Dublin have improved significantly. The rivalry has at least been maintained; an unruly league meeting at Omagh in early 2006 resulted in mass suspensions - most controversially scrapped on appeal.
Tyrone captured another provincial title last year but Ulster football has been in a lull period, as Wexford's culling of Armagh last Saturday illustrated, while Dublin have soared.
It has been repeated ad nauseam, even by the players themselves, that this is the best opportunity to end a 13-year wait since Sam Maguire last resided in the capital.
Many of the players have been together since the breakthrough 2002 campaign and Ryan is now a core member of the team, the engine of the side, his influence is similar to Dooher's for Tyrone.
The Naomh Mearnóg man was talking to the media in Dublin yesterday morning after picking up the GPA "player of the month" award for July. His domineering performance against Wexford in the Leinster final managed to eclipse the consistency of Alan Brogan and Bryan Cullen.
Dublin have surpassed Tyrone in terms of development; now all they have to do is prove it.
"Yeah, it's very easy to say that looking at the team on paper, but Tyrone are the team with the All-Ireland medals. In our whole squad we've got one between us all in Jason Sherlock. Most of that Tyrone team have two. When you compare it in that sense, who is the better team?
"Who's the best team? We won't know that until we go up against each other."
Yeah, yeah Shane, you can't fool us, sure yez are raging, untouchably hot, favourites, even Tom Humphries reckons it's "in all probability" a repeat of the Leinster final in the semi (in his column in Monday's IT on the Armagh-Wexford game), and every pundit gives us no chance. Don't know if we should even bother turn up ;)
Too right Fear. I might go down and support the Dubs, sure they have it in the bag ;)
Tyrone would have the advantage on training tonight anyway. It's bucketing down in Marino where the Dubs train and I'm sure they don't need any more gym sessions.
Quote2007: Dublin 0-18 Derry 0-15
2006: Dublin 1-12 Westmeath 0-5
2005: Tyrone 2-18 Dublin 1-14 (replay)
2005: Dublin 1-14 Tyrone 1-14 (draw)
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8
2002: Dublin 1-14 Donegal 0-7 (replay)
2002: Dublin 2-8 Donegal 0-14(draw)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (replay)
2001: Dublin 2-11 Kerry 1-14 (draw)
Played 9, Won 3, Draw 3, Lost 3.
Jaysus, Mary and the holy Dunkey, only 3 Quarter final wins in 7 years for the Jackeens, that is piss poor by any standards, and then losing all 3 semi finals afterwards, is this the "great" team we are all supposed to be dreading in 2008. None of them teams they bate were even in the top ranks at the time.
One thing you have to agree on is the Jackeens and the Jackeen Media are a great source of humour every year.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 12, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
One thing you have to agree on is the Jackeens and the Jackeen Media are a great source of humour every year.
Sure it wouldn't be the same without them ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 12, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
Quote2007: Dublin 0-18 Derry 0-15
2006: Dublin 1-12 Westmeath 0-5
2005: Tyrone 2-18 Dublin 1-14 (replay)
2005: Dublin 1-14 Tyrone 1-14 (draw)
2004: Kerry 1-15 Dublin 1-8
2002: Dublin 1-14 Donegal 0-7 (replay)
2002: Dublin 2-8 Donegal 0-14(draw)
2001: Kerry 2-12 Dublin 1-12 (replay)
2001: Dublin 2-11 Kerry 1-14 (draw)
Played 9, Won 3, Draw 3, Lost 3.
Jaysus, Mary and the holy Dunkey, only 3 Quarter final wins in 7 years for the Jackeens, that is piss poor by any standards, and then losing all 3 semi finals afterwards, is this the "great" team we are all supposed to be dreading in 2008. None of them teams they bate were even in the top ranks at the time.
One thing you have to agree on is the Jackeens and the Jackeen Media are a great source of humour every year.
Be careful KM. I think the Dubs will have yer number this year if ye meet. They seem to be more stolid and focussed on important stuff this year. Kerry are not as good, especially defensively, in my opinion. I'm sure Kerry will improve even more, and Dublin are liable to sh*te on the eggs again, but I wouldn't be so sure.
Agree totally KM.
One good half of football against wexford who had thrown in the towel anyway and the Dubs are worldbeaters.
Nothing to be feared at all.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 12, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
Quotethe Jackeen Media are a great source of humour every year.
You do realise Mike, that the majority of GAA correspondents are from outside Dublin?
And that most of this 'Jackeen media' hate Dublin GAA with a passion and love nothing more than building up Dublin into a 'great' team every year whilst simultaneously writing their obituary...
QuoteAnd that most of this 'Jackeen media' hate Dublin GAA with a passion and love nothing more than building up Dublin into a 'great' team every year whilst simultaneously writing their obituary...
I know and ye all fall for it. It's brilliant.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 12, 2008, 10:09:01 PM
QuoteAnd that most of this 'Jackeen media' hate Dublin GAA with a passion and love nothing more than building up Dublin into a 'great' team every year whilst simultaneously writing their obituary...
I know and ye all fall for it. It's brilliant.
Indeed Mike. Indeed. We 'all' fall for it.
Oh that we were as wise and all knowing as they from Kerry. Year after year we wouldn't believe them.
You sound touchy, are the nerves at your Heffo, yerra 'tis only a game, no need to be getting carried away ;).
Páirc an Chrócaigh 4.00pm Baile Átha Cliath v Tír Eoghain
Referee: Aidan Mangan (Ciarraí)
Not the worst, by any means.
Didn't he ref the drawn game in 2005?
That's the one.
He received great credit for that game, however he played for the draw late on, giving Mossey an innocuous free and then moving it forward. We'll need to be 4 ahead this time!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2008, 11:44:37 PM
Páirc an Chrócaigh 4.00pm Baile Átha Cliath v Tír Eoghain
Referee: Aidan Mangan (Ciarraí)
Not the worst, by any means.
He refereed Fermanagh and Kildare and I was not impressed at all. Very poor I thought.
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2008, 12:01:28 AM
He received great credit for that game, however he played for the draw late on, giving Mossey an innocuous free and then moving it forward. We'll need to be 4 ahead this time!
Yes how dare the ref move the ball forward when players mouth off disputing a free kick and then not retreating when expected to do so......imagine a ref applying the rules of the game!!!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2008, 09:06:04 PM
Yeah, yeah Shane, you can't fool us, sure yez are raging, untouchably hot, favourites, even Tom Humphries reckons it's "in all probability" a repeat of the Leinster final in the semi (in his column in Monday's IT on the Armagh-Wexford game), and every pundit gives us no chance. Don't know if we should even bother turn up ;)
The 'oul Nordie paranoia is rife.
How dare Share Ryan say Tyrone are favourites!
How dare Tom Humphries say Dublin are favourites!
;D ;D ;D
Some predictions:
Tyrone will take some beating this Saturday on Croke Park against the Dubs. Dubs beware we dont buy into the hype.
Mickey will make big calls in the half back and half forward line for this game.
Tyrone by 1 point or draw. If draw Dubs replay.
Someone to tow the bedecked orange and white Armagh minibus bus abandoned after Saturday debacle at the toll bridge on the m50 home before the start of next years Ulster championship.
Oisin to write another book about how he hates Armagh as well as Tyrone.
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2008, 12:01:28 AM
He received great credit for that game, however he played for the draw late on, giving Mossey an innocuous free and then moving it forward. We'll need to be 4 ahead this time!
That's cos your buddy McGinley called him a bollox for awarding the free in the first place. 13m for dissent.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 12, 2008, 10:23:03 PM
You sound touchy, are the nerves at your Heffo, yerra 'tis only a game, no need to be getting carried away ;).
No nerves at all. Providing Dublin play to their ability they will win. The monsoon conditions will suit Tyrone's 'style'.
QuoteThat's cos your buddy McGinley called him a bollox for awarding the free in the first place. 13m for dissent.
Ach sure Enda just wanted a replay to show yiz how good we really were! ;)
Quote from: heffo on August 13, 2008, 08:16:49 AM
No nerves at all. Providing Dublin play to their ability they will win. The monsoon conditions will suit Tyrone's 'style'.
How so?
QuoteTyrone by 1 point or draw. If draw Dubs replay.
Such is the mega-hype surrounding the Dubs this year, Tyrone will not be allowed to win by 1 point so you can scotch that theory! The hype is worse than in 1995 and we are only at the quarter-final stage!
Quote from: Zapatista on August 13, 2008, 08:20:45 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 13, 2008, 08:16:49 AM
No nerves at all. Providing Dublin play to their ability they will win. The monsoon conditions will suit Tyrone's 'style'.
How so?
In my humble opinion, Tyrone won't play open attacking football and will crowd the midfield area - the wet conditions will make it more difficult for Dublin to play their open football and hence it'll benefit Tyrone.
Quote from: heffo on August 13, 2008, 08:25:04 AM
In my humble opinion, Tyrone won't play open attacking football and will crowd the midfield area - the wet conditions will make it more difficult for Dublin to play their open football and hence it'll benefit Tyrone.
What is open attacking football and how would rain make this more difficult? Do Dublin think it will be dry everytime they play eliminating the need to prepare for rain?
If you cant play open attacking football then you cant play open attacking football, monsoon conditions do not come into it. did they affect Kerry last week. Stop making excuses for inevitable failure and second half collapse lads.
Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2008, 08:42:02 AM
If you cant play open attacking football then you cant play open attacking football, monsoon conditions do not come into it. did they affect Kerry last week. Stop making excuses for inevitable failure and second half collapse lads.
No advance excuses here, nor will you see any from me should Dublin lose.
If they don't beat Tyrone Sunday then they have no business being talked up as AI contenders (by the media & Tankie)..
This game defines the championship. Put it like this we seen Cork V Kildare and they will probably let the Kingdom turn them over again 2nd time around. So its Kerry v who in the AIF 2008. Will they have a decent opposition?
Heres the beef:
Both Tyrone and Dublin would struggle against Wexford who are better than most buit they are the 5th best team left in the competition. I hate to rain on any parade but the blustery hype around Dublin hides their weaknesses, they have momentum and are always dangerous, but they suffer from the pillerwobbles, and the pillerwobbles phenomenon has defined this managers era. Of the 5 managers left in the championship, Paul Caffrey is the weakest among them all. Whilst Counihan has achieved little he still has taken Kerry, Ryan looks to be the hottest prospect in the GAA, whilst Hartes (2 AI) dangerous on his swansong and O Se has proven himself also as an all ireland winning manager. More often than not when we come to this stage all else being equal, the role of the manager can make all the difference. Harte willl not fail in this regard buoyed by 2 all ireland wins he knows how to move, how to guide his team home. Over 4 years Caffrey has stammered and struggled with what does look like a very good team, but when the team meets a tough challengfe and the guys like Whelan etc look over to the line,do they get the response they need? A categoric no is the answer, If I was a Dub Id be very nervous on Saturday, Midway through the second half, Tyrone and Dublin will be locked in gladiatorial battle, some will look to the sideline, Harte will make his move, Caffrey will make his move. Unfortunately I believe the pillerwobble is very much alive and kicking and come Saturday evening Caffrey will have cost Dublin another tilt at the All Ireland. Id love to see the Dubs to win the ALL Ireland but I was raging that the county board gave Caffrey another year - a terrible decision.
Quote from: Roy on August 13, 2008, 09:27:55 AM
Midway through the second half, Tyrone and Dublin will be locked in gladiatorial battle, some will look to the sideline, Harte will make his move, Caffrey will make his move.
It wouldnt surprise me to see this unfold with Harte springing Mugsy and McGuigan (who may not start this one I think) from the bench in attempt to propel Tyrone to victory.
Right time for Predictions...
I reckon if it's a tight game Tyrone will come out on top, but if the Dubs get a head of steam up they could run away with it.
I actually think wet conditions will suit the dubs better. Tyrone like to play a tight game with short passes. Wet conditions + lots of passes = more chance of messing up.
Dublin have the forwards to allow them to revert to a big ball into the forward line, and with the slippery conditions that will be a very dangerous time for Tyrone.
Are Tyrone able to do the same? I doubt it. For all the greatness of Cavanagh, I can't see him winning a lot of high balls into the FF line. The only way it could work is if he plays to knock the ball down to someone like Mulligan or McCullagh coming in.
I think Goals will make all the difference come Saturday.
Interesting to hear Pillar talk about his side's work in training - how to stop what Tyrone are good at. That'd be a change from '05 as the Dubs simply played to their own tune, and it almost worked. I take it the Jacks will stop Tyrone from building up a head of steam from between the HB and FB line by crowding the likes of Ricey, Jordan, Harte, Dooher et al - that'll take a phenomenal workrate from the Dublin forward line.
any word when teams to be announced
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2008, 10:11:20 AM
Interesting to hear Pillar talk about his side's work in training - how to stop what Tyrone are good at. That'd be a change from '05 as the Dubs simply played to their own tune, and it almost worked. I take it the Jacks will stop Tyrone from building up a head of steam from between the HB and FB line by crowding the likes of Ricey, Jordan, Harte, Dooher et al - that'll take a phenomenal workrate from the Dublin forward line.
Shane Ryan could manage that on his own with his work rate ;)
Fierce rumours spreading that Ricey's power is held in his beard and eyebrows. :-X
I think Big Joey has to start either at MF or as 3rd MFielder
Mellon was poor against Mayo but I think that'll he get another chance as he seems to come back even stronger after getting PULLED off by Mickey
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: gerry on August 13, 2008, 10:40:17 AM
any word when teams to be announced
Dubs team announced tonight.
I'm guessing, but I'd imagine the Tyrone team will be tomorrow.
What's the bets we'll hear No Changes on from the day
Surely it would be better to take Mugsy on to give us a lift rather than start him & have to take him off which will spur on the Dubs
Even for his distraction factor alone he would create a buzz when he comes on.
Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2008, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 12, 2008, 04:11:30 PM
Nevr mind the football. Is the boul forkinknife going to catch up with ONeill and give him a good kicking?
We've actually become close friends since the floodlit game and are meeting up for a pint afterwards and then going to a disco.
Didn't realise that was forkinknife u did that to, makes it all the funnier... :D
As for the game, after competing against both teams on their home turf I think de Dubs will win this with a couple to spare, although it will depend how they line out. For me I'd have Keaney as the workhorse in the forwards as he hasn't offered anything from play this year and bring Brogan back in for Bonner. I'd have O'Shaughnessey in the corner if fully fit and Griffin in fb, McConnell is a major liability back there, Cavanagh will clean him out if he gets him isolated.
Good man Croi, lets have more of that. I would love to know more Westmeath and Louth opinion on this game. They have played both contenders - what do they reckon. What do Kerrymen think befor ethis game. I see Harington reckons that the Dubs will win with something to spare. Gery Ryan was quoted yesterday as saying he believes ithat whilst Caffrey has his weaknesses the Dubs are a strong enough outfit to take the redhands
When are the squads being named for the game??
Could there be a suprise inclusion in the Tyrone squad?? Rumours are ripe ;)
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 13, 2008, 02:04:20 PM
When are the squads being named for the game??
Could there be a suprise inclusion in the Tyrone squad?? Rumours are ripe ;)
Whilst I'm flying back into Ireland on Friday - I can confirm - I'm not in the squad
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 13, 2008, 02:04:20 PM
When are the squads being named for the game??
Could there be a suprise inclusion in the Tyrone squad?? Rumours are ripe ;)
Whilst I'm flying back into Ireland on Friday - I can confirm - I'm not in the squad
Thats that theory out the window then..we could have done with you this weekend Gabriel ;)
Brian Dowling on the radio there thinks the Dubs by a landslide.
Brian dowling........the trolley dolly from big brother ;D :D :D
Happy Days
Quote from: feetofflames on August 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
Brian Dowling on the radio there thinks the Dubs by a landslide.
Brian would know and all ! ;)
Quote from: feetofflames on August 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
Brian Dowling on the radio there thinks the Dubs by a landslide.
No better man than Brian to call it. When he's not quaffing champagne in London gay clubs, he's lining pitches for juvenile games in Rathangan.
QuoteWhen are the squads being named for the game??
Could there be a suprise inclusion in the Tyrone squad?? Rumours are ripe
::) ::) ::)
Patience!!!!
Quote from: heffo on August 13, 2008, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: feetofflames on August 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
Brian Dowling on the radio there thinks the Dubs by a landslide.
No better man than Brian to call it. When he's not quaffing champagne in London gay clubs, he's lining pitches for juvenile games in Rathangan.
Sounds libellous...
Quote from: red hander on August 13, 2008, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 13, 2008, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: feetofflames on August 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
Brian Dowling on the radio there thinks the Dubs by a landslide.
No better man than Brian to call it. When he's not quaffing champagne in London gay clubs, he's lining pitches for juvenile games in Rathangan.
Sounds libellous...
It is !
Quote from: red hander on August 13, 2008, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 13, 2008, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: feetofflames on August 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
Brian Dowling on the radio there thinks the Dubs by a landslide.
No better man than Brian to call it. When he's not quaffing champagne in London gay clubs, he's lining pitches for juvenile games in Rathangan.
Sounds libellous...
He's openly gay - so unless he doesn't drink champagne, I can't see what he'd take exception to...
There's tickets available on ticketmaster again if anyone is stuck.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 13, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
There's tickets available on ticketmaster again if anyone is stuck.
I suppose you have to start your 1st post sometime,got myself 2tkts so fair balls for puttin that up,i was gettin worried.Don't expect me to be so nice the next time ;)
Quote from: Osama bin Dublin on August 13, 2008, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 13, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
There's tickets available on ticketmaster again if anyone is stuck.
I suppose you have to start your 1st post sometime,got myself 2tkts so fair balls for puttin that up,i was gettin worried.Don't expect me to be so nice the next time ;)
Keep the Dublin supporters close, but keep the nordies here even closer.
You'd better believe it, buddy ;)
Dublin team named.
DUBLIN (SF v Tyrone) - S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; C Moran, B Cullen, B Cahill; C Whelan, S Ryan; D Connolly, J Sherlock, K Bonner; A Brogan, C Keaney, T Quinn
No bernard Brogan.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 13, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
There's tickets available on ticketmaster again if anyone is stuck.
Got two there now, but the Canal End - Section 317 seems to be the only place available.
Another note, why is the Dublin crest shown but not the Tyrone crest?
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2008, 09:47:22 PM
Another note, why is the Dublin crest shown but not the Tyrone crest?
Because you're paranoid
Ziggy, apparently.
Well if nothing else, it'll give the Tyrone players something else to get motivated over. Mickey will no doubt take a print out of the screen and pin it to the dressing room door, showing the players just how cheeky the Dubs are being.
One last stand needed.
Let's have a stab at the team representing Ulster this weekend
Tyrone Team v Dublin
GAA All Ireland Quarter final
1. John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
2. Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
3. Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4. Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
5. Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7. Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8. Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
9. Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10. Brian Dooher (C ) Clann na nGael
11. Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
12. Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
13. Joseph McMahon An Omaigh
14. Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15. Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
16. Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17. Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18. Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail
19. Niall Gormley Trí Leac
20. P J Quinn Baile na Móna
21. Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
22. Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
23. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
24. Damian McCaul Domhnach Mór
25. Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
26. Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin
27. Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chriochach
28. Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
29. Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
30. Paul Quinn Aireagal Chiaráin
31. Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
Mugsy gets his spot then - interesting
Thought Harte normally named his side on a Thursday?
is this your team or Harte's
Where was this posted?
Quote from: tyronefan on August 13, 2008, 10:37:16 PM
is this your team or Harte's
Sorry it's my guess at the team.
Odd behaviour NKAB
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2008, 10:40:23 PM
Odd behaviour NKAB
TRUE! I've changed the original post now.
Very professionally written out though. It looked the part.
I'd keep Mulligan as an impact sub for this one.
And here was my writing my two cents worth on how McCullagh would be out playing on the 40 in the McGuigan role, and big sean and mugsy as a two man inside line...
Alas, not to be..
On a side note, Ive done something different to the beard thing, Ive shaved every day this week. Its killing me, and the wife thinks I must be having a fling, but Im keeping it up.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 13, 2008, 10:43:47 PM
And here was my writing my two cents worth on how McCullagh would be out playing on the 40 in the McGuigan role, and big sean and mugsy as a two man inside line...
Alas, not to be..
On a side note, Ive done something different to the beard thing, Ive shaved every day this week. Its killing me, and the wife thinks I must be having a fling, but Im keeping it up.
I'm sure she's pleased at that :D :D
I'm on a different boat. The beard is out of control with the upper lip almost engulfed with hair.
And to think you said you were struggling yesterday Shane.
I have the old whiskers growing as well - mind you i was growing them the week before the Mayo game
So how many does that make now gabriel? :D
Quote from: Puckoon on August 13, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
So how many does that make now gabriel? :D
At least he's attempting Puck
I'm just past step 2.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/mananath/4-stages-of-the-beard.jpg)
Quote from: Puckoon on August 13, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
So how many does that make now gabriel? :D
enough for the ladies to like ;)
A Tyrone supporter on his 'gap year' making his way back to Ireland for this weekends match.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2008/aug/13/georgia?picture=336529752
Quote from: Zulu on August 13, 2008, 11:21:59 PM
A Tyrone supporter on his 'gap year' making his way back to Ireland for this weekends match.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2008/aug/13/georgia?picture=336529752
;D ;D ;D
Tyrone are still 8/1 to win the All-Ireland outright with Paddy Power, only Wexford at 16/1 are bigger of the 5 teams remaining.
Kerry Evens, Dublin 2/1, Cork 11/2, Ty 8/1, Wex 16/1.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 13, 2008, 11:52:17 PM
Tyrone are still 8/1 to win the All-Ireland outright with Paddy Power, only Wexford at 16/1 are bigger of the 5 teams remaining.
We're being paranoid again, apparently. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2008, 12:13:49 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 13, 2008, 11:52:17 PM
Tyrone are still 8/1 to win the All-Ireland outright with Paddy Power, only Wexford at 16/1 are bigger of the 5 teams remaining.
We're being paranoid again, apparently. ;)
Yeah its disgraceful that a team already in the semi-finals is rated lower than ye ;D
Quote from: Bensars on August 13, 2008, 09:38:10 PM
Dublin team named.
DUBLIN (SF v Tyrone) - S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; C Moran, B Cullen, B Cahill; C Whelan, S Ryan; D Connolly, J Sherlock, K Bonner; A Brogan, C Keaney, T Quinn
No bernard Brogan.
Sure I told you that the other day.
QuoteNo bernard Brogan.
how come?
QuoteTyrone are still 8/1 to win the All-Ireland outright with Paddy Power
They were 10/1 when the draw was made. Took them e/w then.
Hes played about 15minutes in 3 games for the Dubs.
Betfair
Kerry 6/5
Dublin 11/5
Cork 7/1
Tyrone 12/1
Wexford 26/1
Both Colm Cavanagh and Paul Quinn have been ruled out of Tyrone's crunch All-Ireland SFC quarter-final with Dublin this Saturday.
Cavanagh has struggled to overcome the shoulder injury he sustained against Westmeath in the second round of the All-Ireland qualifiers, and may even struggle to make the semi-final against Wexford were Tyrone to get there.
Quinn returned to the playing field for his club side Errigal Chiaráin at the weekend and broke his collarbone in two places. The defender also missed the start of last season after picking up a serious head injury with his club, and the likelihood is that this latest injury will see him miss the rest of the Championship.
Tyrone were set to play their quarter-final last weekend, which would have saw Quinn fir, but due to popular demand the game was put forward by a week to make it a lone fixture and accommodate the large crowds expected from both sets of fans.
"In one way it was great to get the extra week to allow the players a break but the downside is that we've lost Paul," admitted Tryone manager Mickey Harte.
"We let him play with his club in an effort to give him some game time but he broke his collarbone and will not feature."
Very sorry to hear about Paul Quinn ( and Cavanagh of course ) but Paul has had a rough time as past year - I hope this is the end of the injuries for a while.
Meanwhile the Tyrone injury curse keeps motoring along nicely. :( :( :( :( :( >:( >:(
Quote from: Zulu on August 13, 2008, 11:21:59 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2008/aug/13/georgia?picture=336529752
That's an extraordinary picture from the Guardian!!
Quote from: Hound on August 14, 2008, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 13, 2008, 11:21:59 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2008/aug/13/georgia?picture=336529752
That's an extraordinary picture from the Guardian!!
It proves that the donated jerseys to the poor of the world reached their target - that Tyrone man didn't think much of his ! ;)
Both Colm Cavanagh and Paul Quinn have been ruled out of Tyrone's crunch All-Ireland SFC quarter-final with Dublin this Saturday.
Cavanagh has struggled to overcome the shoulder injury he sustained against Westmeath in the second round of the All-Ireland qualifiers, and may even struggle to make the semi-final against Wexford were Tyrone to get there.
Quinn returned to the playing field for his club side Errigal Chiaráin at the weekend and broke his collarbone in two places. The defender also missed the start of last season after picking up a serious head injury with his club, and the likelihood is that this latest injury will see him miss the rest of the Championship.
Tyrone were set to play their quarter-final last weekend, which would have saw Quinn fir, but due to popular demand the game was put forward by a week to make it a lone fixture and accommodate the large crowds expected from both sets of fans.
"In one way it was great to get the extra week to allow the players a break but the downside is that we've lost Paul," admitted Tryone manager Mickey Harte.
"We let him play with his club in an effort to give him some game time but he broke his collarbone and will not feature."
Very sorry to hear about Paul Quinn ( and Cavanagh of course ) but Paul has had a rough time as past year - I hope this is the end of the injuries for a while.
Meanwhile the Tyrone injury curse keeps motoring along nicely.
My understanding is Colm C was always out for the season and Paul Quinn has never played more than a half hours league football with Tyrone for Tyrone - hows this news?
If you never heard about the injury to Paul Quinn before, then it's news !
Quote
"We let him play with his club in an effort to give him some game time
That was big of ye Mickey.
Colm Cavanagh will be back for the semi when we get there. :P
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 14, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
Colm Cavanagh will be back for the semi when we get there. :P
I hope he doen't have the same trouble finding his seat as Paul Galvin had :P
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 14, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
Colm Cavanagh will be back for the semi when we get there. :P
Go on, open a Tyrone V Wexford thread! If anything else, just to annoy Tankie ;)
I wonder will the Dubs finally bring in a short-free tactic from 40m+ or will we continue to accept a 25% success rate from Mossy from long distance?
Is Brogan really still carrying the injury or is it just tactical to leave him in reserve?
Im gonna go for Tyrone to win by 2 in a low enough scoring game say bout 1.12 - 0.13
This is the time to throw out the belly suck in the air and say
Come on Tyrone, Get stuck into those metropolitan, metrosexual hoors!!!!
Quote from: Hound on August 14, 2008, 03:04:51 PM
Is Brogan really still carrying the injury or is it just tactical to leave him in reserve?
Both Brogans injury free...Bernard has missed only a weeks training after the Westmeath game - he is fit and available for selection.
not long now to throw in. can see tyrone edge it by a point or two, as they nothing to loose as they are going in as underdogs with all the pressure on dubs and pillar
Tyrone tick / take list
1) original Tyrone fans jersey from 03 or before
2) Boogiemen Cd
3) beard
4) hang sandwiches
5) flask otae
6) 4 pack harp for traffic jams
7) blue extra
8) Canavan holy medal
9) hat for sun
10) hat for rain
If Dubin win it will be their biggest win of the last 13 years. Talk will immediately turn to the AIF and Sam coming home. They will get so distracted and Pillar will be so busy slapping his own monkey off his back that Wexford will turn them over in the semis. Mark my words.
Quote from: feetofflames on August 14, 2008, 04:00:15 PM
Tyrone tick / take list
2) Boogiemen Cd
I'd had 'er going all morning ;D
Quote from: under the bar on August 14, 2008, 04:00:21 PM
If Dubin win it will be their biggest win of the last 13 years. Talk will immediately turn to the AIF and Sam coming home. They will get so distracted and Pillar will be so busy slapping his own monkey off his back that Wexford will turn them over in the semis. Mark my words.
So Dublin can't win either way is what you're saying?
Quote from: feetofflames on August 14, 2008, 04:00:15 PM
Tyrone tick / take list
1) original Tyrone fans jersey from 03 or before Was gonna do that but settled on the retro '86 top that I bought a while ago
2) Boogiemen Cd
3) beard Check
4) hang sandwiches No need, am staying with a dub from the Friday
5) flask otae See above
6) 4 pack harp for traffic jams See above
7) blue extra Not the blue ones! Special edition red and white! :P
8) Canavan holy medal :P
9) hat for sun Check
10) hat for rain Hooded coat for me
Good list!
Quote from: feetofflames on August 14, 2008, 04:00:15 PM
Tyrone tick / take list
1) original Tyrone fans jersey from 03 or before
2) Boogiemen Cd
3) beard
4) hang sandwiches
5) flask otae
6) 4 pack harp for traffic jams
7) blue extra
8) Canavan holy medal
9) hat for sun
10) hat for rain
11. ear muffs for the dubs outsinging you lot
12. a tail. (to put between your legs on the way home)
13. Tissues
Quote from: under the bar on August 14, 2008, 04:00:21 PM
If Dubin win it will be their biggest win of the last 13 years. Talk will immediately turn to the AIF and Sam coming home. They will get so distracted and Pillar will be so busy slapping his own monkey off his back that Wexford will turn them over in the semis. Mark my words.
If that did happen, Pillar should get on to Brian Cody for tips prior to the semi-final, and how to get up for Wexford even after you hammered the shíte out of them the last time! Wexford used to get the odd result v KK due to capitalising on a little complaceny, but it doesnt happen any more.
Certainly whoever wins Tyrone v Dublin, will need to be 100% focused and not under-estimate Wexford in any way.
Quote11. ear muffs for the dubs outsinging you lot
Not during Amhrán na bhFiann! It'll be the usual Dub hum-a-long.
I'm not that long after chatting to a Fermanagh fortune teller.
She has been giving me her prediction for this weekend.......
Tyrone will definately be meeting Wexford in the 2008 All-Ireland Senior Semi-Final, however her crystal ball is telling that Saturday's game could go to a draw.
She says that it's too far to predict the result of the Semi-Final, but she give me an early prediction with a health-warning.
Quote from: under the bar on August 14, 2008, 04:34:13 PM
Quote11. ear muffs for the dubs outsinging you lot
Not during Amhrán na bhFiann! It'll be the usual Dub hum-a-long.
You think they'll be in by that time then?
Just to be different i'll throw out this scenario
Tyrone to play out of their skins & beat dublin(not likely)
Tyrone get over confident & lose to wexford
Cork to play out of their skins & beat kerry
Cork get over confident & lose to wexford
Wexford win the AI :o
Think i might give paddy power a call.
If the quarter-final ends level does it still go straight to a replay, or is there extra time now?
Tyrone unchanged
QuoteTyrone manager Mickey Harte has named an unchanged team for the All-Ireland quarter-final against Dublin.
Defender PJ Quinn, who missed the win over Mayo, is out injured and Ciaran Gourley retains the number shirt.
Joe McMahon, a last minute replacement in the qualifier win over the Westerners, retains his place in attack for Saturday's game (1600 BST).
Full-back Ross McConnell is recalled to the Dublin team in their only change for the eagerly-awaited match.
McConnell, who was dropped for the Leinster final against Weexford, replaces Kevin Nolan.
Bernard Brogan is back from injury and is one of the Dublin substitutes.
Ten of the Tyrone players who will start at Croke Park featured in the last meeting between the sides - the epic quarter-final tie of 2005, which Harte's men won after a replay on their way to a second All-Ireland title in three years.
But there's no place in the starting line-up for Owen Mulligan, who scored that memorable goal three years ago.
He has recovered from injury but, despite making substitute appearances in the last two games, must be content with a place on the bench.
Tyrone, the only Ulster county left in the race for the Sam Maguire, are 3-1 outsiders with the bookmakers to go through to the semi-finals.
Dublin are second favourites to land the Championship in September, behind holders Kerry.
Dublin: S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; C Moran, B Cullen, B Cahill; C Whelan, S Ryan; D Connolly, J Sherlock, K Bonner; A Brogan, C Kearney, T Quinn.
Tyrone: J Devine; R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, C Gourley; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; R Mellon, E McGinley; B Dooher, B McGuigan, Joe McMahan; T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
As Victor Meldrew would say
I don't believe it
Maybe he's gonna play Sean as the lone striker and pack the midfield and hope to win it in the home leg back in Omagh.
I'd say that the team that'l be lined out at 4pm Saturday will be re jigged, wat you's think?
Tír Eoghain: Devine, Mc Menamin, Justy Mc Mahon, Gourley, Harte, Gormley, Jordan, Mellon, Mc Ginley, Dooher, B Mc Guigan, Joe Mc Mahon, T Mc Guigan, Cavanagh, Mc Cullagh
Edit: Official, that's the team for Saturday.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 13, 2008, 10:28:46 PM
Let's have a stab at the team representing Ulster this weekend
Tyrone Team v Dublin
GAA All Ireland Quarter final
1. John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
2. Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
3. Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4. Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
5. Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7. Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8. Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
9. Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10. Brian Dooher (C ) Clann na nGael
11. Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
12. Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
13. Joseph McMahon An Omaigh
14. Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15. Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
16. Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17. Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18. Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail
19. Niall Gormley Trí Leac
20. P J Quinn Baile na Móna
21. Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
22. Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
23. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
24. Damian McCaul Domhnach Mór
25. Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
26. Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin
27. Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chriochach
28. Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
29. Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
30. Paul Quinn Aireagal Chiaráin
31. Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
A bit too close for comfort there NKAB, only out with Brian Mc Guigan/Mulligan ;)
Barring last minute injury I'd say thay'll line out as named. Big Joe to throw his weight around the middle with McGinley and Dooher chasing the heels of a galloping Whelan or Ryan. Starting to feel more confident as we get closer to the game that we'll not be blown away by a continuation of Dublin's 2nd half form against Wexford. Gourley might be given the job of manning Brogan with the option of a Ricey swop if things aren't going his way. A straight Penrose for McCullagh and Mulgrew for Brian on 48 mins with Mugsy kept in reserve until 56mins, replacing a tiring Mellon who lorded midfield in the first half.
Ryan'll be sent off on 49 mins for a clothesliner but the Jacks will always manage to stay in front with Mossey nailing a 45 on 69 mins to see the Dubs home on a 1-14 to 0-14 scoreline, the goal coming from a penalty in the 3rd minute.
I wont be surprised to see Mulgrew or some other change b4 throw in.
Maybe I'm being hard on him but Brian Mac hasn't been getting much breaking ball this year as most of HF line
So what was all this crap over the shock squad inclusion then?
Do you think Tommy will play inside with Sean?
I hope we don't see Sean left up struggling on his own with 2 men marking him
What's the bets Dublin will shoot into a big lead and then sit back and wait
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2008, 09:20:26 PM
...but the Jacks will always manage to stay in front with Mossey nailing a 45 on 69 mins to see the Dubs home on a 1-14 to 0-14 scoreline, the goal coming from a penalty in the 3rd minute.
No doubt about it, nail on the head there ;)
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5th day of straight shaving, cant wait for stubble on sunday.
Anyways, Tommy and Big Sean to fire in back to back goals in a whirlwind start for the Red Hand Men.
Tyrone 2-9, Dublin 1-10
Christ, Im very cockeyed.
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Hardstation in 2067.
Will you still have the oxford brogues?
Good luck to Tyrone - beat Dublin and there is a 05 all-ireland repeat - hopefully with same outcome.
Has any Tyrone person seen the bearded players about since the last Qualifier.
I wonder have they still got them i.e. Mugsy, Ricey, Gourley, McMahoney?
C'mon Tyrone !!!
Good luck to tyrone.
As the only ulster team still there i hope you go all the way.
likely to be a very tightdour affair but dublin hopefully edging homeby 2-3points.
Tyrone Senior Football Team Named
14 Aug 2008
Tyrone Team v Dublin
Saturday 16th August
GAA All Ireland Football Quarter Final
1. John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
2. Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
3. Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4. Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
5. Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7. Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8. Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
9. Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10. Brian Dooher (C ) Clann na nGael
11. Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
12. Joseph McMahon An Omaigh
13. Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
14. Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15. Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
16. Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17. Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18. Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail
19. Niall Gormley Trí Leac
20. Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
21. Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
22. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
23. Damian McCaul Domhnach Mór
24. Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
25. Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chriochach
26. Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
27. Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
28. Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin
29. P J Quinn Baile na Móna
30. Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/hurling/news/story.jsp?newsid=673
was feeling confident until oisin McConville tipped tyrone to win by two points on the road to croker tonight.
Quote from: gerry on August 14, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
was feeling confident until oisin McConville tipped tyrone to win by two points on the road to croker tonight.
Nearly as back as Tony backing a team.
So, after getting last Friday off to prepare for the match, did the Dubs get the tomorrow off work as well? :D
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 14, 2008, 10:41:21 PM
So, after getting last Friday off to prepare for the match, did the Dubs get the tomorrow off work as well? :D
Come again?
Has any of our Dublin posters or posters based in Dublin heard the Dublin song on 98 Fm..?
Its goes to the tune of the ting tings Thats not my name song..
Jesus its cringe central ;D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 14, 2008, 10:49:49 PM
Has any of our Dublin posters or posters based in Dublin heard the Dublin song on 98 Fm..?
Its goes to the tune of the ting tings Thats not my name song..
Jesus its cringe central ;D
Give us a few bars there and see if it'll jog our memory
Quote from: heffo on August 14, 2008, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 14, 2008, 10:49:49 PM
Has any of our Dublin posters or posters based in Dublin heard the Dublin song on 98 Fm..?
Its goes to the tune of the ting tings Thats not my name song..
Jesus its cringe central ;D
Give us a few bars there and see if it'll jog our memory
I don't know the lyrics to be honest but instead of the names of girls as in the song they use towns like this
We come from Raheeny,and Cabinteely..we come from etc and the chorus goes instead of in the song where it says "that's not my name..."
We're gonna win
We're gonna win
we're gonnAAAA..................win
Quote from: gerry on August 14, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
was feeling confident until oisin McConville tipped tyrone to win by two points on the road to croker tonight.
In fairness he hasnt a great record at the old tipping.......
He's jinxed them on purpose the sly fecker.
class tune, who says ireland has no talent.
make fermanagh's shine
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Quote from: Yes I Would on August 14, 2008, 11:03:07 PM
He's jinxed them on purpose the sly fecker.
thats what i though
Quote from: Minder on August 14, 2008, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: gerry on August 14, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
was feeling confident until oisin McConville tipped tyrone to win by two points on the road to croker tonight.
In fairness he hasnt a great record at the old tipping.......
As long as he hasn't a bet on us we're fine ;)
Mulgrew & Mulligan to spring from the bench, not the worst of positions to be in.
Dont know what to think of that feckin song. I found myself liking it after Id deciphered the accents.
BBBBBB......leedin BBBB...rutal
I can just imagine the Hill with Damo Dempsey leading them on from pitchside
Dublin's 16 man
I'd say Mugsy will get a great welcome from the hill should he be needed but I think Mickey is saving him for Sept
Not much tactics being talked here lads this time
Will we be playing short passing game or kicking it in long like we did v Mayo over Sean and Tommy's head
What's the price for another mass Melee?
Quote from: gerry on August 14, 2008, 11:04:27 PM
class tune, who says ireland has no talent.
make fermanagh's shine
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:D That's it....Sorry i thought it was 98fm
btw I'm sure the Blackrock residents will love been lumped in with Artane,Coolock and Crumlin :D
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 14, 2008, 11:33:29 PM
Not much tactics being talked here lads this time
Will we be playing short passing game or kicking it in long like we did v Mayo over Sean and Tommy's head
What's the price for another mass Melee?
I can see a mightily fired up Jackeen outfit. They've been accused of bending over against the biggies and will want to shove Tyrone off their stride with a display of physical intimidation coupled with their confident approach in terms of actually putting something on the scoreboard. Tyrone are going to need the oul heads in Ricey, Gormley, Jordan, Dooher, McGinley, McGuigan and Cavanagh to stand firm, show the way and do what they do best - play to their own strengths even when the Jacks are in the ascendancy.
So to answer your question, long ball over the heads on Sean and Tommy into Cluxton's arms.
Main thing is not to get into fisticuffs early on as someone will be made an example of by he ref.
On another topic, I bet Darragh Maloney gets the RTE commentry on this one, he always gets the Dubs, and he is pretty good overall. His commentary for the Mulligan goal in 2005 was good for the moment it was.
Well now that Im ful=l of whiskey and porter, I predict, ass humbly as I might, that mighty Tyrone will trounce the durty dubs out the gate (weather permittin on the jones road side)., Ealrier I predicted that Sean Mor and Tommy Og would score a goal each in a whirldwind start, but now I may as well be brutally honest and say the game will be over in the first 65 minutes. Big sEAN and Tommy Mc to score 2 each, dooher to hit a belly full of pints and Conor gormley to catch a kick out to signal the games end.
Oh, Dublin to be restricted to only 7 points. :D
Good luck to all ye lucky f**kers able to attend the game, and may it be a great days craic for gaels from all walks of life (except for T Fearon, may he get clamped in Newry\).
Tir Eoighan abu!!!!!
Her indoors is not best pleased. Not sure if its the lack of the beard, or the drink, but no matter, a principles a principle.
Dubs by 5 points or more for me.
Quote from: stephenite on August 15, 2008, 05:52:37 AM
Dubs by 5 points or more for me.
You need to lay off the sauce my friend! :D
Dublin by 5 Points or more. Ill wager you a pint and a half un, if whenst we meet, that dublin will win by 5+.
That is, dublin will
not win by 5 or more. I made a heap of bets on the premiership this evenin, I need to take note of my wagerin.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 15, 2008, 05:54:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 15, 2008, 05:52:37 AM
Dubs by 5 points or more for me.
You need to lay off the sauce my friend! :D
Dublin by 5 Points or more. Ill wager you a pint and a half un, if whenst we meet, that dublin will win by 5+.
That is, dublin will not win by 5 or more. I made a heap of bets on the premiership this evenin, I need to take note of my wagerin.
I'm the one in work - will be another few hours when/if I'm logged in your state!!
Done - in fact I'll raise you a fine steak dinner and the drink
Now is that an aussie steak, a mayo steak, a tyrone steak, or a texas fillet? None of that aul kangaroo steak carry on, unless i get the hide to make a new pair of boots.
No matter, you will paying, so we will go for all four, make sure there are french fried onions and some sauce au poivoire.
I like it. :D
Even if I lose, sure isnt herself a Dr, sure its a splash in the ocean.
Quote from: gerry on August 14, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
was feeling confident until oisin McConville tipped tyrone to win by two points on the road to croker tonight.
That was a poor enough preview on RTE last night. Oisin tipped Tyrone alright, but I think he put in the proviso of Mulligan seeing a fair bit of action and playing well. But he clearly under-estimates the Dubs. For instance he said we've only won 3 Leinsters in a row ;)
Mickey Ned gave a list of reasons why Dublin might not win (the main one being that Tyrone will mark very tightly and, as was shown v Westmeath, the Dublin forwards don't score nearly as much when marked!), but then tipped Dublin to sneak it because of extra hunger (12 All Ireland winners vs 0 All Ireland winners he mistakenly said). Declan Browne also went for the Dubs and mentioned hunger, but I didnt sense any confidence in his voice.
I have the TV3 preview taped - it was on passed by bedtime - hopefully its a bit better.
And in all seriousness, whatever reasons there may be as to why Dublin can beat Tyrone, I don't for one second believe that Tyrone will lack hunger in any way playing in Croke Park before 80,000. Tyrone want to win this game every bit as much as Dublin and its bullshít and an insult to both teams to argue otherwise (in my opinion!)
I can see Tommy scoreing 5 off the the left foot 5 off the right foot and 1 with the fist.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 15, 2008, 08:14:23 AM
I can see Tommy scoreing 5 off the the left foot 5 off the right foot and 1 with the fist.
will he dad knew how to do it, hopefully a bit has rubbed of
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Bit surprised to see Harte name the same team as he usually throws in a surprise to keep things fresh so perhaps he wont actually start this team. Wouldnt be surprised if he holds Brian McGuigan in reserve. Doohers form is also a worry for me, he was poor against Mayo but hopefuylly he will have a big performance in him tomorrow.
I'm not surprised. He has some great options in reserve. I think you could be right about McGuigan though. I think we can be a bit hard on Dooher. There are quite a few who have been in and out of form. Tommy, Mellon, Brian Mc, and Jordan have all had little stumbles but all in all have been worth their starts. When this happens you usually see others raise the bar. Dooher is one of these guys who can really raise it when the chips are down.
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Good Luck Tyrone tomorrow...Ulster's only hope after a bad few weeks (still crying from last saturday)
Aidan Skelton?
Plunkett Donaghy?
I see ticketmaster are selling away at tickets for the match - last night they were selling good lower cusack seats.
Why is this when all the clubs got were Upper Cusack, Upper Hogan and Davin Stand ??
Can't wait for the throw in and I'm a neutral.
I'm hoping for a super hard competitive game and this pairing has all the ingredients. The burden of high expectancy of the skillful Dubs v the pragmatic 'know how to win when it matters' Tyrone approach. Will the Dubs falter as in recent years? Can Tyrone's aging but experienced squad keep pace with the intensity of the Dubs?
Add to this the colourful and noisy spectacle that the Dub fans always bring to Croker plus the recent shared history of the sides and we have a great game in prospect.
Not sure who will win. The Dubs probably, providing they can get, and stay in top gear. Micky however will have plans to prevent this and if they work it could swing things in Tyrone's favour. Not easy to predict. Roll on the game and good luck to both sides.
Really excited about the game, I will be one of the split Down support that will be cheering Tyrone on! I'm fairly confident that Tyrone have a huge game in them and where else to prove all the Mickey Harte doubters wrong than in a game like this! If Tyrone win tomorrow Tyrone are in the all ireland semifinal and all those who called for his head after the Newry replay will be eating humble pie. Louth - Westmeath - Mayo - now Dublin, each game getting progressively harder will be perfect preparation for Tyrone whilst the dubs haven't played in 5weeks! Good Luck Tyrone ;)
PS Surprised at how few pages there are devoted to this game I thought after the draw this thread would hit 100pages...the Down Tyrone one had 92 or 93 I think in the build up and over the 2matches!
QuoteI can see Tommy scoreing 5 off the the left foot 5 off the right foot and 1 with the fist.
It was 7 with the left but we'll not split hairs........ ;)
Quote from: the_daddy on August 15, 2008, 10:36:43 AM
Was talking to a few guys I would consider very reliable sources on Wednesday and yesterday and they're adamant that there will be a late addition to the panel wearing number 31.
Is the man you mean?
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You don't use this login much do ya The Daddy?
Are there many ot ye Tyrone posters living in Dublin?
I only know 2 others so far bar myself.
I fear for Tyrone that they will get a bit of a tanking tomorrow
Although the Dubs are still far from as good as they could be, I can see them winning comfortably by 5 points, more if Dublin hit form.
Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2008, 10:55:47 AM
I see ticketmaster are selling away at tickets for the match - last night they were selling good lower cusack seats.
Why is this when all the clubs got were Upper Cusack, Upper Hogan and Davin Stand ??
Jaysus, maybe the nordie paranoia wasn't misplaced after all - all the Dublin clubs got the pick of the best seats!
QuoteWas talking to a few guys I would consider very reliable sources on Wednesday and yesterday and they're adamant that there will be a late addition to the panel wearing number 31.
It's just been on the news! Hugh Douglas is returning in midfield!
Quote from: under the bar on August 15, 2008, 12:18:10 PM
QuoteWas talking to a few guys I would consider very reliable sources on Wednesday and yesterday and they're adamant that there will be a late addition to the panel wearing number 31.
It's just been on the news! Hugh Douglas is returning in midfield!
Sean Teague us coming back to sort out Pillar and a few of the Dublin subs !
Quote from: the_daddy on August 15, 2008, 12:11:11 PM
I wouldn't be so quick to jump Fuzz, one of the sources was a clubman of your own and generally when he tells me something about Tyrone it turns out to be pretty spot on.
Now I know it's a wind up.
i heard something on the grapevine also. wheni say grapevine i mean a big f*ck off branch, and when i say something i mean its collosall!!!
For all the yapping you done Tankie, how come it is not a sell out? ;)
I saw the comments about the Dubs trying to "physically intimidate" Tyrone. Cant see that happening.
The Dubs have been on their best behaviour this year (in the championship ;) ), and its worked well. Tyrone on the other hand have been involved in several niggly moments, and its worked well. I can see Tyrone trying to turn this into a dogfight, as if its played sportingly and based purely of footballing ability, deep down they know this is a Dublin side they will struggle against.
Cue McMenamin and co trying to start rows and throw sly digs whenever possible to try to rattle the Dubs. If Dublin react, they will be n trouble, if they dont, I predict a 3-4 point win.
**3-4 points down from 5-7 in an earlier predicition as the forecast is terrible and I think this will suit Tyrones style of play better than Dublins.
Either way, should be a great occasion, I hope all gaaboarders, Dublin or Tyrone, have a great day out!
i gaurantee that some will have a better day out than others though!!! :D :D
Quote from: AFS on August 15, 2008, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: D4S on August 15, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
PS Surprised at how few pages there are devoted to this game I thought after the draw this thread would hit 100pages...the Down Tyrone one had 92 or 93 I think in the build up and over the 2matches!
Think that might explain it a bit.
Also there are more Down posters here than Dublin ones to add to the debate. And aswell the Down -Tyrone draw was made last year leaving months in the build up to that thread, whereas this game was only fixed a fortnight ago leaving only two weeks for discussion.
I'm not thick AFS, I know the draw was made well in advance and there were
2 matches as you liked to highlight, I was only remarking I was surprised as this is a huge high profile game at the business end of the championship.
That's a very lazy prediction HH, I have come to expect better from you.
Quote from: D4S on August 15, 2008, 01:35:45 PM
Quote from: AFS on August 15, 2008, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: D4S on August 15, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
PS Surprised at how few pages there are devoted to this game I thought after the draw this thread would hit 100pages...the Down Tyrone one had 92 or 93 I think in the build up and over the 2matches!
Think that might explain it a bit.
Also there are more Down posters here than Dublin ones to add to the debate. And aswell the Down -Tyrone draw was made last year leaving months in the build up to that thread, whereas this game was only fixed a fortnight ago leaving only two weeks for discussion.
I'm not thick AFS, I know the draw was made well in advance and there were 2 matches as you liked to highlight, I was only remarking I was surprised as this is a huge high profile game at the business end of the championship.
Jeez, calm down, nobody called you thick. But over 600 posts in a few days is pretty good going. And the quality infinitely better than whatever number of pages the Down-Tyrone thread ;D
Quote from: Zapatista on August 15, 2008, 01:39:33 PM
That's a very lazy prediction HH, I have come to expect better from you.
Do you predict Ricey won't throw any sly digs? ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on August 15, 2008, 01:39:33 PM
That's a very lazy prediction HH, I have come to expect better from you.
Which prediction exactly Zaptista? The sly digs bit, the dogfight bit?
I'd be happy to clarify why I said what I said if you tell me which bit you are dissapointed with.
As a side note, I'd much prefer if both sides played a sporting contest.
Quote from: Hound on August 15, 2008, 01:44:22 PM
Do you predict Ricey won't throw any sly digs? ;)
Naw I'm saying the Dubs will definatley react when he does ;) :D
HH
I just don't think there is any reason to assume it will be anything other than a good sporting game. There might be a few contraversial moments but nothing to get all Doomsday about.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 15, 2008, 01:55:04 PM
HH
I just don't think there is any reason to assume it will be anything other than a good sporting game. There might be a few contraversial moments but nothing to get all Doomsday about.
Fair enough Zap, I suppose after reading predictions that Dublin will try to "physically intimidate" Tyrone, or the other one that suggested if Dublin won they would roar in the faces of Tyrone instead of shake their hands, I got a bit defensive. My point was that IF there was to be niggly off the ball shite going on, based purely on this years championship, it would be more likely to come from Tyrone, based on what I have seen of them so far.
But to clarify, it could well come from Dublin either, and I personally hope its from neither!
Down for 12, watch the Gunners at 1245 down in the Maple Hotel, couple of stout. Croke for 3. See the women.
All sorts of reports coming from home that Tyrone will indeed have a surprise inclusion on the bench- surely this must be a wind up?
Is there any real hope?
lads I wouldn't entertain that rumour at all.
To mix up a few sayings I'd eat Francie Bellew's grannie if there is.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 15, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
All sorts of reports coming from home that Tyrone will indeed have a surprise inclusion on the bench- surely this must be a wind up?
Is there any real hope?
No! ...... It is far too late in the Year for that I think :-\
theres a storma brewing by all reports!! a super tornado is due to hit north dublin approximately 17.01 tommorrow.
i have a feeling that tommorrow is going to be one of them unforgettable days akin to;
derry Vs Tyrone 1995
armagh Vs Tyrone 1994(how many steps did plunkett take???)
derry Vs Tyrone 1996
all them jackeens will all look like proper drowning rats on the hill!!!! Keep the stuff nice and dry lads!!!! oj
Me-nicely sheltered!!!! :-*
Quote from: EC Unique on August 15, 2008, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 15, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
All sorts of reports coming from home that Tyrone will indeed have a surprise inclusion on the bench- surely this must be a wind up?
Is there any real hope?
No! ...... It is far too late in the Year for that I think :-\
Hope there is always my young padewan
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 15, 2008, 02:24:09 PM
all them jackeens will all look like proper drowning rats on the hill!!!!
I hope not. An electric Hill during a Dublin match is what will make it great for most neutrals.
Was onto a few Clann lads there and apparently IT IS TRUE
This was the master plan all along that Stevie would play with the club til now and see how it goes and if he gets fit and is doing well for the Clanns which he has been I believe then he can walk straight into No 13 again alongside Big Sean and Tommy
Apparently Mickey paid him £5K also and give him the freedom of Ballygawley
Hang on
Here comes that storm now in from the West
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If Stephen was to return it'd be very unfair on the present panel and completely counter-productive. That's why it's a complete non-starter and I'll run naked from Drumcondra to the Carrickdale if something like that happened. Anyway I saw him this morning boarding a plane to South Ossetia.
What you talking about fuzzman - lynette hughes will be wearing number 31 tomorrow!! Where did SON come out of?
Oneill, you must want to run naked somewhere, anywhere this year.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 15, 2008, 01:24:51 PM
I saw the comments about the Dubs trying to "physically intimidate" Tyrone. Cant see that happening.
The Dubs have been on their best behaviour this year (in the championship ;) ), and its worked well. Tyrone on the other hand have been involved in several niggly moments, and its worked well. I can see Tyrone trying to turn this into a dogfight, as if its played sportingly and based purely of footballing ability, deep down they know this is a Dublin side they will struggle against.
Cue McMenamin and co trying to start rows and throw sly digs whenever possible to try to rattle the Dubs. If Dublin react, they will be n trouble, if they dont, I predict a 3-4 point win.
**3-4 points down from 5-7 in an earlier predicition as the forecast is terrible and I think this will suit Tyrones style of play better than Dublins.
Either way, should be a great occasion, I hope all gaaboarders, Dublin or Tyrone, have a great day out!
Id go along with that. But just to clarify, I dont think there's anything wrong with a corner back roughing up his marker. Part of the game IMO.
If McMenamin can get an advantage by doing this so be it.
If you could pick one, Henry or McMenamin in your team?
Gonna stick on the 05 Quarter tonight to begin the build-up. Trying to remember what the mood was before that game. We'd bounced back from the Ulster-final that never was to defeat Monaghan comprehensively after a scare. Dublin were flying. Mmmmm...
It's sad to see Tyrone boys struggling to find reasons for optimism that defines superstitious behaviour (stubble).
Now the ultimate harbringer for a lost cause - the belief in a third coming on the eve of armageddon.
Use to be that Tyrone had confidence in football ability and workrate.
I do hope that Ulster GAA is not given another humiliating defeat and that Tyrone can stand afterwards with their pride intact alongside the Monaghan men.
But with all the excuses thrown into the pot before the thread was even 2 pages long, it looks very good for the Dubs.
Eh? SON? Who's son?
I meant....
(http://www.givemefootball.com/images/steve_mcmanaman_bi.jpg)
O'Neill are you training for the Marathon or something?
Quote from: Puckoon on August 15, 2008, 02:43:00 PM
What you talking about fuzzman - lynette hughes will be wearing number 31 tomorrow!! Where did SON come out of?
Oneill, you must want to run naked somewhere, anywhere this year.
severe weather warning just issued for the weekend. Worst around Dublin tomorrow with flooding expected.
Bring the wellys and macs folks!
Quote from: Buttofthehill on August 15, 2008, 02:45:51 PM
If you could pick one, Henry or McMenamin in your team?
Great question, can I have both?
Dont get me wrong, I do think he is an excellent player, just gets involved in some off the ball verbals and more a bit too often.
As they say, he may be a bollox, but he's our bollox!
I'm not going if it's going to rain :(
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 15, 2008, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on August 15, 2008, 02:45:51 PM
If you could pick one, Henry or McMenamin in your team?
Great question, can I have both?
Dont get me wrong, I do think he is an excellent player, just gets involved in some off the ball verbals and more a bit too often.
As they say, he may be a bollox, but he's our bollox!
I'd pick O'Shaughnessey and Griffin before Henry !
Then again I'd have a half back line of Brennan Cahill and either P. Brogan or someone else whose name escapes me when I was picking my own dublin team the other day. HF Lally Cullen Brogan , FF Brogan Vaughan and S Ryan (3rd MF).
Shane, I remember the game in 2005 well. I didn't think Tyrone would cope with the Dubs after being vanquished by a superior Armagh team in the Ulster Final then riding their luck against Monaghan. The Dubs were all over them in the first half, the hill was buoyant at half time, and I feared ( or hoped for ;D) the worst. Stamper Devlin was replaced at half time ( and has never been heard of since) then Mulligan (who was having an absolutely crap game up to then and in fact Tyronies beside me were baying for him to be replaced) scored that goal and the rest is history.
Right lads I've had enuf today and am leaving now at 4pm
May the best team win as long as they were red & white and I hope its not a washout though I'll be high up in the Cusack
I predict a Riot and then a Draw with Mugsy scoring the equalising goal
Enjoy it one and all and remember its only a game.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 15, 2008, 03:47:45 PM
Shane, I remember the game in 2005 well. I didn't think Tyrone would cope with the Dubs after being vanquished by a superior Armagh team in the Ulster Final then riding their luck against Monaghan.
Well thats one take on it ;D ;D.
Have to say Im a bit tired of the cliched talk of Tyrone trying to spoil the game or keep it tight to have any chance. Yes Tyrone in recent years have brought men back to defend (and sent men forward to attack which is often forgotten, it was always as much a blanket attack as a blanket defence) but spoiling hasnt been the way and Tyrone have been involved in some of the classic games of this decade. Think the Ulster Final in 2003, the 2 National League Semis against Galway in 2004, the 2 Dublin games, Armagh and Kerry in 2005. Even last years Ulster Final was a very open exciting spectacle. Thing is all that doesnt suit the whole 'Ulster Football is evil please let us back to the mythical good old days of Kerry - Dublin' stuff which is all over the board at the minute.
Anyway the game itself and I believe Tyrone's downfall will be the lack of scoring potential in the forwards. I think that over the 2 matches in 2005 O' Neill and Mulligan contributed 3-15 of Tyrone's overall tally. O'Neill is gone and Mulligan has played 2 minutes for Tyrone since March. The lads who have come in are good footballers but do they have it in them to reach that kind of level? Being honest the answer is no. Dublin are beatable no question but I fear Tyrone arent strong enough right now to do it - it would really take a big performance pretty much out of nowhere (like Donegal last year) and there is little grounds for believing that will happen. Dublin 1-13 Tyrone 0-11.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 15, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 15, 2008, 03:47:45 PM
Shane, I remember the game in 2005 well. I didn't think Tyrone would cope with the Dubs after being vanquished by a superior Armagh team in the Ulster Final then riding their luck against Monaghan.
Well thats one take on it ;D ;D.
Have to say Im a bit tired of the cliched talk of Tyrone trying to spoil the game or keep it tight to have any chance. Yes Tyrone in recent years have brought men back to defend (and sent men forward to attack which is often forgotten, it was always as much a blanket attack as a blanket defence) but spoiling hasnt been the way and Tyrone have been involved in some of the classic games of this decade. Think the Ulster Final in 2003, the 2 National League Semis against Galway in 2004, the 2 Dublin games, Armagh and Kerry in 2005. Even last years Ulster Final was a very open exciting spectacle. Thing is all that doesnt suit the whole 'Ulster Football is evil please let us back to the mythical good old days of Kerry - Dublin' stuff which is all over the board at the minute.
Anyway the game itself and I believe Tyrone's downfall will be the lack of scoring potential in the forwards. I think that over the 2 matches in 2005 O' Neill and Mulligan contributed 3-15 of Tyrone's overall tally. O'Neill is gone and Mulligan has played 2 minutes for Tyrone since March. The lads who have come in are good footballers but do they have it in them to reach that kind of level? Being honest the answer is no. Dublin are beatable no question but I fear Tyrone arent strong enough right now to do it - it would really take a big performance pretty much out of nowhere (like Donegal last year) and there is little grounds for believing that will happen. Dublin 1-13 Tyrone 0-11.
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A touch of reality at last.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 15, 2008, 03:31:34 PM
severe weather warning just issued for the weekend. Worst around Dublin tomorrow with flooding expected.
Bring the wellys and macs folks!
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Shit ! Throwing the wheelchair out with the rain water. ;) ;)
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 15, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
The lads who have come in are good footballers but do they have it in them to reach that kind of level? Being honest the answer is no. Dublin are beatable no question but I fear Tyrone arent strong enough right now to do it - it would really take a big performance pretty much out of nowhere (like Donegal last year) and there is little grounds for believing that will happen. Dublin 1-13 Tyrone 0-11.
Deep down I agree 100%. We're expecting a performance that has only been hinted at in 5-minute spurts. You cannot rule out that it will come from a side with 2 All-Irelands hanging off their boots but bookies are rarely wrong.
On the surface though, we're gonna bring the Union Jack-waving late-comers down a peg or two with a 5-point masterclass.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 15, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
The lads who have come in are good footballers but do they have it in them to reach that kind of level? Being honest the answer is no. Dublin are beatable no question but I fear Tyrone arent strong enough right now to do it - it would really take a big performance pretty much out of nowhere (like Donegal last year) and there is little grounds for believing that will happen. Dublin 1-13 Tyrone 0-11.
Deep down I agree 100%. We're expecting a performance that has only been hinted at in 5-minute spurts. You cannot rule out that it will come from a side with 2 All-Irelands hanging off their boots but bookies are rarely wrong.
On the surface though, we're gonna bring the Union Jack-waving late-comers down a peg or two with a 5-point masterclass.
On paper, the Dubs should have it. They're fitter, they're stronger and they've more scoring potential in their forwards. The only questionable attribute is whether they've the stomach for it against a battle hardened team. The indiscipline of the league campaign is still simmering below the surface, and has the potential to explode when they're in a tight corner.The game will be won and lost in discipline.
just back from o'neills in strabane with a new t shirt and car flag, need to get a few tinnies for the road down tomorrow and i'll be set.
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 15, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
On the surface though, we're gonna bring the Union Jack-waving late-comers down a peg or two with a 5-point masterclass.
Sure we only wave those to make you feel at home.
Quote from: gerry on August 15, 2008, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on August 15, 2008, 08:14:23 AM
I can see Tommy scoreing 5 off the the left foot 5 off the right foot and 1 with the fist.
will he dad knew how to do it, hopefully a bit has rubbed of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog)
A few forwards around the country could learn a thing or two from watching Frank after scoring points. They wouldn't be fit to lace his boots and they'd be pulling at jersey crests, roaring at opponents, saluting the crowd. Whatever happened to a bit of humility.
Is anyone 100 per cent sure that there aint going to be a suprise inclusion tomorrow. This rumour just won't go away. :-\
Just finished the first game from 05. Hell of an event. O'Neill actually had an average day that day. He hit 8 wides, albeit scoring 2 clinkers from play. Key performers were McGinley, Gormley, Cavanagh and Dooher. Devlin was huffing and puffing, way off the pace. Lawn made 2 timely interceptions. For the Dubs, Keaney, Mossey and Whelan stood out. If Brogan had stayed on....I think we may never have witnessed the great semi v Armagh.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 15, 2008, 03:47:45 PM
Shane, I remember the game in 2005 well. I didn't think Tyrone would cope with the Dubs after being vanquished by a superior Armagh team in the Ulster Final then riding their luck against Monaghan. The Dubs were all over them in the first half, the hill was buoyant at half time, and I feared ( or hoped for ;D) the worst. Stamper Devlin was replaced at half time ( and has never been heard of since) then Mulligan (who was having an absolutely crap game up to then and in fact Tyronies beside me were baying for him to be replaced) scored that goal and the rest is history.
the same superior armagh team that trailed by 3 points with 14 mins left, and then tyrone had Peter and Stevie sent off ( sure what difference would that have made?). Fact is, without the backdoor, that would have been the biggest shafting any team had ever gotten, had they been eliminated that day. Also Mr Belfast telegraph, that tyrone team was one of the greatest teams of the last 25 years :-*
Quote from: gerry on August 15, 2008, 06:58:29 PM
just back from o'neills in strabane with a new t shirt and car flag, need to get a few tinnies for the road down tomorrow and i'll be set.
fair play to ya Gerry!!!
Quote from: T Fearon on August 15, 2008, 03:47:45 PM
Shane, I remember the game in 2005 well. I didn't think Tyrone would cope with the Dubs after being vanquished by a superior Armagh team in the Ulster Final then riding their luck against Monaghan. The Dubs were all over them in the first half, the hill was buoyant at half time, and I feared ( or hoped for ;D) the worst. Stamper Devlin was replaced at half time ( and has never been heard of since) then Mulligan (who was having an absolutely crap game up to then and in fact Tyronies beside me were baying for him to be replaced) scored that goal and the rest is history.
Armagh's team over the two Ulster Finals was in no way better: Stephen O'Neill and Peter Canavan getting sent off on the basis of absolutely nothing proved this. Without someone you'd have a hard time saying the best forward that Ireland has ever seen and someone who was the best forward in Ireland given his form coming into that match, as well as a numerical disadvantage in the wide-open of Croke Park, Tyrone had no chance. I was always confident that the kn**ker's Champions would find Tyrone's meticulousness in defence and their virtuosity up front too much, even if it took Mickey one or two subs to get the right mix. Bear in mind Tyrone should have won the first game against Dublin had Stevie not missed a good chance after one of the best passes (if not the best) I've ever seen reversed from the boot of Canavan the Great into his path.
Tyrone to win tomorrow... gutsy, not pretty, but victorious.
Fact is: Tír Eoghain have not scaled the heights, so far, this season of the Donegal game in the Ulster Final last year... tomorrow, amárach, mañana, demain, domani, tomorrow... nailed on certainty!
The Kerry referee will return to Tralee a hero once again: either one despised team loses, or no despised team wins (draw); he's on to a guaranteed winner ;) The Kerry buachaillí at work are split: one making an exception for the only opponents of Dublin's that he could actually hope would lose, and the other a true gent who would lilke to see the Dubs thrashed :D
Quote from: gerry on August 15, 2008, 06:58:29 PM
just back from o'neills in strabane with a new t shirt and car flag, need to get a few tinnies for the road down tomorrow and i'll be set.
Good man
gerry, I'll have a jar waiting for you the next time you're passing by our way.
Anyone read the GL today? It is almost completely devoted to the game. Some astonishing reviews. One which stands out above all is one from, I think, Ciaran Loughran. He claims Cavanagh is in FF because he's not a team player - he has tunnel vision and when in possession does not see better options. Brolly reckons this is Dublin's worst nightmare but should win. McGrath gives Tyrone no chance at all as does McGourty and everyone else.
Aye Shane, read it. Couldn't believe the devotion to the game, with copious pieces from past greats, and great to see, and ones from Charlie Redmond and Dessie GPA himself too ;) Not to mention Dave Billings, though my stomach stuggled at times with that one.
Have to say though, the Dubs seem decidedly more subdued before this one than they have been for many a day (and not just on this board).
PREDICTION TIME
DUBLIN 1-13
TYRONE 0-13
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2008, 10:55:46 PM
PREDICTION TIME
DUBLIN 1-13
TYRONE 0-13
You may as well dream here as in bed.
Tyrone 1-10
Dublin 1-9
Mugsy to come on las 25 mins an bag 1-2 to haul Tyrone thro another classic contest, COME ON TYRONE!
OK O'Neill. No more sitting on the fence here's my prediction.
Dublin by 6 having lead the whole way but having to deal with a late determined Tyrone comeback which falters in the final few minutes when Dublin get the sealing goal. A good game I hope.
That's actually my belief - I can see the Dubs 8 up by half time, Tyrone mounting a comeback, falling short.
TYRONE 2-11 DUBLIN 0-15
Nerves are starting to grow at this stage - will there be floods tomorrow evening like last week ?
Tyrone floods or Dublin floods ??
There's talk of more flood tomorrow afternoon in Dublin orangeman.
I think that, to win, Tyrone need to stay in contention, if not ahead for the vast majority of the game. Dublin look hugely impressive outfit but it'd be interesting to see Tyrone staring down the whites of their eyes with the game level with 10 or 15 to go. If Tyrone can avoid letting Dublin build up a head of steam early in the second half they may have a real chance. Certainly Tyrone will need to play at a level above what they've shown so far but they are capable of doing so. Unlike Derry at the same stage last year, they won't lack the belief that they can win but I still think Dublin will have a bit too much. Really hoping its a good game.
Dublin 2-13
Tyrone 0-14
There is a quer n' black sky here in Dublins north side. It is going to piss in biblical proportions all day here :(
The Council are handing sand bags out to houses in the Cabra and Phibsborough ares this morning :o :o :o
Do you think if this rain they are predicting kicks in before throw in, the Gardai might make a call on the match?
Match will defo be on - CP will have no problem with the rain.
Not sure who will cope better with the rain though - always a great leveler, and that been the case then surely to Tyrone's advantage.
Have a large bet on the Dubs to progress - so can't lose either way. :o
Why do we think Dublin are fitter? I have seen this mentioned a few times but don't know how that conclusion was reached.
I predict a slopply unattractive game but a good contest and battle, with Dublin pulling away in the last 10 minutes. As was seen with Kerry V Galway and Cork V Kilkenny that bit of class and cool heads is the difference between real Champions and the rest. I think Dublin might have that quality this year.
Serious weather this morning. Wet beards could be a hindrance.
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 16, 2008, 08:42:53 AM
Dublin have seriously invested in a large coaching staff and no expense has been spared in fitness and conditioning. On the other hand, fitness training is the weakest area of Tyrone's preparation, they have depended on playing games to bring them to a level of fitness which will be enough to carry them through. In a tough game in poor conditions fitness will tell.
Sounds wishy washy to me.
not sure about Dublin but it gives for rain to clear in the north this afternoon. Where would you get it an irishmans 2 favourite subjects Football and the weather! Tyrone by 3. The beards to prevail.
Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2008, 08:19:49 AM
Serious weather this morning. Wet beards could be a hindrance.
This is how it is at the minute, moving towards Drumcondra. I'd say it will clear up before throw in.
(http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/wow/local-flood.jpg)
Will it still be raining after the final whistle ? ;)
come on tyrone hope ye boys do it today i think ye have a great chance no pressure on ye , i think that ye will definately raise your game playing in a full croke park. I don't think either the mc guigans or dooher will play as badly as they did against us and if you can break even at midfield ye are in with a shout. I thought your backs were excellent against us just like the tyrone of old hunting in packs and the weather conditions might even suit ye i think. I'm just hoping that at 5.30 this evening that there will be a tyrone/wexford v's Kerry thread ;)
Jasus lads the weather here in the big smoke is dire,it's lashin rain & lightning.Pray things improve by 4.Up the dubs
Quote from: Osama bin Dublin on August 16, 2008, 11:58:38 AM
Jasus lads the weather here in the big smoke is dire,it's lashin rain & lightning.Pray things improve by 4.Up the dubs
It's frightnin!! Dark as night too.
I reckon the lights will be on again today at least for the 2nd half anyway! Should be a very tight 1, i dont think it will be as high scoring as the 2005 games due to the conditions but hopefully the game will be as exciting! When we play tyrone both teams seem to up their game be it league or champo and i just love the intensity of the games between the teams! Wouldnt be surprised to see a fair few handbag scuffles in the first few mins but hopefully that wont stop us from seeing a good open game of football. Dubs by 3 ;D ;D
That wind could be a major factor.
I just got a report of very bad driving conditions through Cavan. "Lucky to get through" :o :o
Tram game will be shown here:
http://www.justin.tv/nern (http://www.justin.tv/nern)
From what I can see on TG4 the pitch looks like its holding up ok. 3 games mightn't have been the best idea although, to be fair, the state of the pitch so far this year has been a credit to those involved, particularly last Sunday given what happened the day before.
After tomorrow, I make it that Croke Park will have hosted 15 games in 16 days.
Dublin v Tyrone ladies should have been on in Croker today.
It give me no pleasure, but
Dublin 2-15
Tyrone 0-11
On the Dart on the way into Croker.
Surrounded by Spanish. They love the red shirt and hat.
Have them all chanting Tir Eoghain
They reckon we'll win by 5 as Dubs will be too drunk
Good to Fuzz. Stuck in traffic beside the Regency Hotel, rain pouring down. Listening to RTE and they're saying it could be raining at biblical opportunes for 40 days and 40 nights and Croke Park would be ready for the epic game. Their only concern was would the Dubs be out of the pubs in time for throw in.
Only got to bed at 1.30. Up and down every half hour looking at the watch, wonderin if its almost 8am yet, and petrified of sleeping in.
Its gonna be a big big day, no doubt about it.
Come on Tyrone!
It'll be a cert we'll see the floodlights on this afternoon.
You can't beat a big summer game v the Dubs.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 16, 2008, 02:52:33 PM
It'll be a cert we'll see the floodlights on this afternoon.
You can't beat a big summer game v the Dubs.
ah you can AB there is nothing like beating the dubs in a big summer game ;)
thank god , its not ger canning
I just met a buck heading up the road there with a load of timber.....said his name was Noah.
Anywhere I can listen to this online outside Ireland? Now that RTE have their Olympic embargo in place
This game can still go anyway, but Tyrone are playing much the better stuff.
FFS RTE - The ball isnt even in the back of the net and they are whinging about steps!!!
f**k away off!
1-05 to 0-2.
the Dus in deep smelly stuff?
Was very biased...he did take around 7 if not 8 steps but they didnt even balance it uo by saying he was being pulled and hauled!
Loveing this so far hope Tyrone whip them off the field ... Im a Down man!
Quote from: Square Ball on August 16, 2008, 04:30:42 PM
the Dus in deep smelly stuff?
Not yet no, but the very obvious dublin bias from RTE is beginning to irritate.
Game on once agan!!!!
What the f**k was that, that was like slow motion disaster.
soft goal
followed by that
The bearded joe!!!
Go on Tyrone! What a finish!
Ciaran Whelan back on form again.
Whelan shos is true colours again - should have been red
Quote from: Puckoon on August 16, 2008, 04:39:50 PM
The bearded joe!!!
Go on Tyrone! What a finish!
Forget the finish. What about McGuigan's pass?
That was a dirty dig by "Wheelo" alright.
Dublin need to go with a target man at FF. Stick Bonner in there.
Thats mad ted! :D
What was john devine at?? Gourley has to go!
The hunger is back!!! Keep it lit lads!
Great game - dare I say on a par with the Gal - Kerry game last week - with one big plus - plenty of physical encounters.
Wheelo should have gone - linesman saw the the whole thing.
Some finish by Mahon - only critisism - too many tyrone balls into Cluck's hands
Tyrone being very cynical, tomas quinn jersey pulled going through, free all year except today, next attack tyrone goal, thems the breaks.
Having said that, Dublin in the first half were leaderless, clueless, and plain stupid. Tyrones backs are there for the taking, we may not see it today though.
Bonner is a joke of a footballer at this level. not near the pace or the work rate required.
Collie moran is quite obviously brain dead. YOU DON'T HAVE A HALF HOUR ON THE BALL COLLIE!
Dubs are playing with 5 forwards up in the forward line and can find no space.
Tyrone have 3 forwards up at any one time, with dooher in the full back line and mcmahon in the half back line bottling defence up - both attacking at speed.
when will moran, ryan and cullen learn not to carry the ball into the tackle against quality opposition?
Nice hit on Whelan a bit of justice. I'd say there is a lot going on off the ball with Cavanaugh getting a yellow and it looked like he must have got a hit at the end of the half.
Had to laugh at Mc Stea counting Cav's steps, threw a few extra in just to make his point. Not a word that the dub line ball for the goal was a free out.
Kerryman bottled it alright. I predict he rides Tyrone completely in the second half.
Mc Guigan the younger stepping up to the plate today.
That dublin goal was jeuvenille mind out of body stuff from John Devine.
Worth getting soaked for. Surrounded by Dubs, who all arrived late, causing me to miss part of the game. Electric when the two goals were fired in though! :)
Quote from: passedit on August 16, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
Mc Guigan the younger stepping up to the plate today.
Is tommy not the elder brother?
No. Frank is older. Then Brian and then Tommy.
The disappointment in Michael Lyster and Colm O'Rourke's faces is evident, they all want the glamorous Kerry dublin final and sing the demise of ulster football...not happening just yet lads!
Quote from: redhandluke on August 16, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
Wheelo should have gone -
How many times have we seen that type of comment about Whelan on this board over the years?!! :D
Has he ever actually got the line for one of them?
if they get thru he'll get hammered
Once again referees flout the rules. Striking is a red card, not yellow. You can take 4 steps, not nine.
There's a yawning chasm in skill between the teams and that's the difference so far, accentuated by the conditions. Dublin have too few footballers and too many runners on their team. Struggling with the basic skills. Better conditions may bring changes in the second half.
Stop talking shite lads about the pundits' comments - lose the paranoia. If the pundits were pro-dub how come they didn't even mention the steps for the goal?
Quote from: passedit on August 16, 2008, 04:49:53 PM
Had to laugh at Mc Stea counting Cav's steps, threw a few extra in just to make his point. Not a word that the dub line ball for the goal was a free out.
Kerryman bottled it alright. I predict he rides Tyrone completely in the second half.
Mc Guigan the younger stepping up to the plate today.
They must have some serious money on Dublin to win the AIF - the dissapointment in his voice when Quinn over hit that hand pass was sad really.
Quote from: D4S on August 16, 2008, 04:54:05 PM
The disappointment in Michael Lyster and Colm O'Rourke's faces is evident, they all want the glamorous Kerry dublin final and sing the demise of ulster football...not happening just yet lads!
Let's not count any chickens yet. The Dubs are ones of those teams who can stick in 1-4 in a ten-minute burst if they get going.
Great Match .Looks like an All Red and white All Ireland .
Quote from: Hardy on August 16, 2008, 04:56:04 PM
Once again referees flout the rules. Striking is a red card, not yellow. You can take 4 steps, not nine.
There's a yawning chasm in skill between the teams and that's the difference so far, accentuated by the conditions. Dublin have too few footballers and too many runners on their team. Struggling with the basic skills. Better conditions may bring changes in the second half.
Stop talking shite lads about the pundits' comments - lose the paranoia. If the pundits were pro-dub how come they didn't even mention the steps for the goal?
Is my sarcasm reciever switched off or are you being serious?
Moloney is a Dub OK and very pro-Dub in the commentary. McStay is a numpty, could say anything and should just be ignored.
Brolly is full of shit today, Tyrone are not that good. Dublin are just bad.
Listen, none of this craic about Tyrone winning - yet.
You'll all jinx the whole fecking thing and Puck wont be happy.
Zip it up for 35 minutes, Tyrone to tighten up at the back, no goals and we have a good chance.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 16, 2008, 04:57:38 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 16, 2008, 04:56:04 PM
Once again referees flout the rules. Striking is a red card, not yellow. You can take 4 steps, not nine.
There's a yawning chasm in skill between the teams and that's the difference so far, accentuated by the conditions. Dublin have too few footballers and too many runners on their team. Struggling with the basic skills. Better conditions may bring changes in the second half.
Stop talking shite lads about the pundits' comments - lose the paranoia. If the pundits were pro-dub how come they didn't even mention the steps for the goal?
Is my sarcasm reciever switched off or are you being serious?
I'm talking about the half time analysis, as was the person I was replying to.
Get Collie Moran off ASAP
Prefectly poised I think. Tyrone are playing very well but their lead has a lot to do with the fact that they making many fewer mistakes than Dublin. Ok, the conditions are difficult but even Dublin's kicking has been awry on far too many occasions. Mossie Quinn had the goal at his mercy but couldn't execute a simple handpass. Those are things which could cost Dublin.
Cavanagh definetly took at least 8 steps for the goal. Arguably he was being fouled but it would only have been a 13 metre free. Crazy stuff from John Devine to charge out so far past his defenders and then not get the ball.
Whelan could well have gone. Even apart from his strike he dived in feet first a few minutes before with a soccer like lunge which he was fortunate to go unpunished for.
There's an awful lot of lateral play going on but Tyrone seem to be playing the more intelligent football. Really looking forward to the second half. Wouldn't rule out a draw.
Only 70,000 attendance? Thought it would have been a sell out.
Then I beg your parsnips hardy - I was only asking!
I was only answering. :)
Quote from: Uladh on August 16, 2008, 04:48:54 PM
when will moran, ryan and cullen learn not to carry the ball into the tackle against quality opposition?
Cullen still at it
Tram - long sideline ball from keany dropping just outside the small box, devine came for it over every one, missed and keany fisted it in.
Casey on .Hoe is Sherlock still on ?
Game over.
All over!
Holy f**k
What a performance ?
Game set and match. The Dubs flatter to deceive yet again.
Please give pillar another year. :D
can't say we didn't warn tankie this time last week :D
Boys, please stop - its not over yet! Not until the whistle are the dubs beaten!
Keep it going drive it into them!! :)
why are moran and bonner still on. Why did they start
As an Armagh man who has no love for Tyroen....I can't stop laughing at the Dubs......
The Nephew is turning on the style .
Are ye Tyronies happy now that Harte started at wing back ? 1-1 scored
Is Hill 16 emptying before it got filled?
Mc Stay is some clown
No need to panic just yet
bye bye pillar
i told ye boys to have faith in Harte the player
Getting embarrassing now for the dubs.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D THIS IS HILARIOUS CANT WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THE DUB FANS SAY I HOPE THEY GET BEAT BY 15!!! SOme exellent scores from play 3-11 of the 3-12 from play!!
Oh my. :o
Uladh - you see that ball from Collie Holmes?
What a move for McMahons point.
All I can say is "holy f**k!". I thought they were good against our boys last year...
Dooher should be canonized.
It's exhibition football.
Hope Tyrone can hold out. Looks like Wexford definitely made Dublin look good in the second half of their game. They listened to all the hype and thought they just had to turn up. Alan Brogan was a big factor because as well as being a brilliant player he brings a confidence to the whole team.
Tankie won't be able to show his face on the board again after this.
You would know the soccer season started today, the Dubs are leaving early :D
This is some stuffing, Dubs beat wexford by 23, wexford beat armagh and then tyrone who lost to down thre months ago stuff the dubs. What odds was a tyrone wexford semi when the draw was made?
If they don't take Wexford for granted, it will be some battle with Kerry in the final
Tyrone were 5/2.
Can't believe my eyes - even more so the possession Tyrone are getting.
Seems the dirty Dubs got too full of themselves after the big defeat of the Models
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 16, 2008, 11:40:57 AM
come on tyrone hope ye boys do it today i think ye have a great chance no pressure on ye , i think that ye will definately raise your game playing in a full croke park. I don't think either the mc guigans or dooher will play as badly as they did against us and if you can break even at midfield ye are in with a shout. I thought your backs were excellent against us just like the tyrone of old hunting in packs and the weather conditions might even suit ye i think. I'm just hoping that at 5.30 this evening that there will be a tyrone/wexford v's Kerry thread ;)
just to show mc stay i saw it coming, do ye want the lotto numbers lads ;)
The Tyrone performance as a collective unit today is immense. No other word for it. 1 point from a free in those conditions?
Some performance but Dublin woeful and Caffrey's limitations as manager cruelly exposed. Maloney and McStay sound shattered. Great point now by Dooher - 3-14 to 1-6 now
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Quote from: glens73 on August 16, 2008, 05:24:40 PM
If they don't take Wexford for granted, it will be some battle with Kerry in the final
What about Cork . Although I am amazed at the performance .I dont think they can be stopped if they keep this going .
This is hilarious.....
5 or 6 goals and there right back in there...... :P
rte are funny.
The weather is a great leveller.
Commentator talking nonsense about Tyrone glad for the rain- the great leveller.
The rain is a great leveller ::)
Quote from: passedit on August 16, 2008, 05:29:53 PM
The rain is a great leveller ::)
Yes Darrgh's bias has been obvious since the game started.
Met a lot of Tyone people in Lough Derg during the week - the paryers are paying off!!
Mulligan has a lovely little red beard.....
Is Pillar not a great leveller ;)
Tyrone are awesome.
But what is the ref doing?
He has totally given up, it is an absolute circus these last 15 mins
Some dangerous stuff from dublin now, thats dangerous and unfair.
That was a great take down by mellon on cluxton. A bit of kung fu about it
I wanted Dublin to win but awesome display - fantastic stuff. 3-13 from play? Unreal.
Great tribute considering the 10th anniversary of the Omagh tragedy - brilliant display lads - well done.
Have to feel sorry for Alan Brogan - great talent, but unfortunate due to injury. Very uncanny to 2005 replay
Brilliant everyone of them!!!
What more can you say, as good as i have seen for some time!!
Congratulations Tyrone........Superb game!!!! :)
Quote from: Tankie on August 09, 2008, 03:34:01 PM
This is great, AI Final here we come! I would have preferred a decent test in the Semi tho but atleast we will make a final this year!
:D :D :D :D :D
Fantastic team performance - say what you want about MH, and the minimal input of managers - but the man has every player on that team playing their hearts out for themselves and each other.
Very proud to be a Tyrone man today, wexford will be another tough assignment, and hopefully MH will keep them ticking over until then.
Well done Tyrone.
I hope all the people calling for Mickey Harte to quit after the game in Newry are hanging their heads in shame. Well done Mickey.
Dublin were awful, no test for Tyrone on the day ;D
The Semi Final should be a good test of Tyrone's mettle
Brillant - maybe Dublin will now believe they just aren't anywhere near All-Ireland material! :D
So its a case of another year in the stands for Caffrey on AI Final Day.
Sometime he might wnat to try and bring a team there?
Seriously Tyrone spent the second half playing with dublin, it was no contest as soon as the third point after the half went over.
On another note, Whelan must be God himself, but hopefully the powers above suspend the dirty animal.
Congrats to Tyrone, their best display since 2005 All Ireland. Dublin flop again...how bad is Leinster football?
Whelan should off walked - a more deliberate and brutal attempt to take a man out of the game you won't see.
Was Whelan's the high tackle in the first?
Quote from: Armagh Cúchulainns on August 16, 2008, 05:43:11 PM
On another note, Whelan must be God himself, but hopefully the powers above suspend the dirty animal.
???
There is no call to abuse Whelan like that.
He had a poor game.
Well done Tyrone, i might get to ride the hole off one of ye're women tonight in Dublin. Great game good to see some propper football being played.... :)
Mid Louth take it somewhere else. Your negativity is clutching at straws today. If there was so much diving - how come there was 1 point scored from a free?
There is little to be said (although im sure you will try to sully it as usual) except that that was one of the best performances seen in croker from a Tyrone side in recent years.
Puke football still???
Most defensive generation of football ever?
Come on now, give it a rest.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 15, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
Have to say Im a bit tired of the cliched talk of Tyrone trying to spoil the game or keep it tight to have any chance. Yes Tyrone in recent years have brought men back to defend (and sent men forward to attack which is often forgotten, it was always as much a blanket attack as a blanket defence) but spoiling hasnt been the way and Tyrone have been involved in some of the classic games of this decade. Think the Ulster Final in 2003, the 2 National League Semis against Galway in 2004, the 2 Dublin games, Armagh and Kerry in 2005. Even last years Ulster Final was a very open exciting spectacle. Thing is all that doesnt suit the whole 'Ulster Football is evil please let us back to the mythical good old days of Kerry - Dublin' stuff which is all over the board at the minute.
Anyway the game itself and I believe Tyrone's downfall will be the lack of scoring potential in the forwards. I think that over the 2 matches in 2005 O' Neill and Mulligan contributed 3-15 of Tyrone's overall tally. O'Neill is gone and Mulligan has played 2 minutes for Tyrone since March. The lads who have come in are good footballers but do they have it in them to reach that kind of level? Being honest the answer is no. Dublin are beatable no question but I fear Tyrone arent strong enough right now to do it - it would really take a big performance pretty much out of nowhere (like Donegal last year) and there is little grounds for believing that will happen. Dublin 1-13 Tyrone 0-11.
Well there was no grounds for believing it would happen but it did ;D. Unbelievable display with Tyrone rolling back the years to show their class. What kind of score would we have run up had we the the 2005 lads in the forwards ;). I must give credit to the likes of McCullagh who whilst he isnt a SON showed today he can do it at the highest level.
The key men, Ricey, Conor, Jordan, Sean Mor, Dooher, McGuigan (bet all the recupperation feels worth it now, delighted for him ) and Enda were brilliant and the newer lads stepped up to it. Davey Harte - who says he isnt worth his place now? :D
Not sure the team can raise it again to go all the way but even if they dont at least today is another great day for a great team after 3 difficult years.
And the puke football sh*te can surely be put to bed now?? 3-13 from play and Dublin destroyed by flowing football. Well done Tyrone, fantastic.
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on August 16, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
Was Whelan's the high tackle in the first?
High tackle. :o He tried to seriously hurt the man, he should of been given a straight red.
Tyrone could win it out with that kind of form. Fantastic display. I was thinking they would improve from the mayo game. Joe Mcmahon is a fine player around the middle. Dooher - class act - great left footed point in the second half
And with the death of Ronnie Drew a black day for Dublin
enough of the Whelan bullshit, ref let a lot go, end of first half just after dublin scored goal, tomas quinn going through, jersey pulled no free (frees given all year for that), Tyrone clear, next attack goal.
Quote from: Arthur on August 16, 2008, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on August 16, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
Was Whelan's the high tackle in the first?
High tackle. :o He tried to seriously hurt the man, he should of been given a straight red.
He hardly touched the player, the ref saw it, yellow card fully deserved, end of story.
I did not think i was that bad, not red card bad.
There was no real force in it. I know he is not a saint, and felt robbed after the tackle he ad just shipped
Tyrone were absolutely superb today. Some transformation from the team that couldn't beat Down over two games. Their score taking today was brilliant and they dominated every sector of the pitch. Arguably that's their best performance under Harte.
Dublin were atrious - leaderless, gutless and clueless. After harte's third goal I thought they'd rally back at least into contention but they went out with little more than a whimper. That's the end of Caffrey no doubt. I suppose the obvious reaction is that there was never an All Ireland in that Dublin team yet in last year's semi final they put Kerry to the very pin of their collar. Hard to know where a new manager goes from here.
As good, if not better, than Kerrys display last week. 15 defenders and 15 attackers, so composed on the ball and made a mockery of the conditions, massive level of ball skills and making the right decision everytime.
As for Dublin, how many All-stars where lost today? ;D Shane Ryan and Whelo my arse. Pillar???? I concrete pillar would have made more of a job of it, O'Connell on Cavanagh for the whole first half and still on him at start of Second???
Surely the end of the line for Pillar but the next man in will have a job rising a team out of that shambles.
Dublin can't be as bad as that?
Surely they can play better than that?
The Dubs would have been better advised to spend more time with the football and less pumping iron at training
James Joyce, Bertie Ahern, Oscar Wilde, Padraig Pearse, JONATHAN SWIFT-- CAN YOU HEAR ME JONATHAN SWIFT??!!!
YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING! A HELL--! OF A BEATING!!!!
[my mistake fellas, apologies to any annoyed sligomen]
Quote from: Minder on August 16, 2008, 05:59:18 PM
The Dubs would have been better advised to spend more time with the football and less pumping iron at training
In terms of fitness and strength, Tyrone were a match for them on all levels today.
Wasnt WB yeats a sligo man? :D
Tyrone wanted it more. They fought harder for it, sprinting to every ball where as the Dublin lads were almost jogging. The off-the-ball running from the Tyrone players seemed to totally confuse the Dubs. Dooher gave a great performance today. The Tyrone forwards found it alot easier to get separation from their markers, some of the Dublin backs look very tame in 1 to 1 situations. That also was key. Tyrone backs were never going 1 to 1. The swarm tackling and counter attack worked perfectly and Dublin played into it hook-line-and-sinker. Tyrones forwards were able to hit the target and Dublin couldnt hit the side of a barn, They really needed Alan Brogan.
On a side note, theres a worrying trend of beards in Tyrone this year.
what is the story with 2nd, 3rd, 4th..... men tackle?surely this is illegal!?
they're a cynical hard to watch team but fair play they have a game plan stick to it and will take some beating by any of the teams left!
Quote from: stibhan on August 16, 2008, 05:59:38 PM
William Butler Yeats-- CAN YOU HEAR ME WB YEATS??!!!
YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING! A HELL--! OF A BEATING!!!!
Sligo were bet two months ago ::)
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 16, 2008, 06:02:51 PM
what is the story with 2nd, 3rd, 4th..... men tackle?surely this is illegal!?
they're a cynical hard to watch team but fair play they have a game plan stick to it and will take some beating by any of the teams left!
Surely? On what basis? That you find it hard to watch?
Like Bingobus said - 15 defenders and 15 attackers. No better game plan.
You found tyrone cynical and hard to watch today? :D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
Quote from: stibhan on August 16, 2008, 05:59:38 PM
William Butler Yeats-- CAN YOU HEAR ME WB YEATS??!!!
YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING! A HELL--! OF A BEATING!!!!
Sligo were bet two months ago ::)
He was born in and lived in Dublin for much of his life. He met them at the close of day coming from counter and desk amongst grey eighteenth century houses... in Dublin, wouldn't you know.
I'll change it to swift if you want... :D
Connolly lost some amount of possession today. I was baffled as to why Dublin kept launching high balls in on top of Jayo. The main culprit for this was Bryan Cullen. The first thing the manager needs to do next year is get him away from the number 6 jersey.
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 16, 2008, 06:02:51 PM
what is the story with 2nd, 3rd, 4th..... men tackle?surely this is illegal!?
they're a cynical hard to watch team but fair play they have a game plan stick to it and will take some beating by any of the teams left!
I couldn't disagree more, I enjoyed there display as much as I have enjpyed watching kerry. They make work hard defending but they work as hard going forward. At one stage Ricey won on the ball on the Dublin end line and layed it off to a forward to pop over. The basic skills was immense, very few spilling the ball, breaking it clean to a man and as for the score taking, top top drawer.
The only thing hard to watch was the Dubs antics in the last 10 minutes.
Quotethey're a cynical hard to watch team
Diisagree - great to watch when at their best and today was a great performace. As for cynical I think this is a lazy lapel put on Tyrone by people who just do not like them. They are no more cynical (whatever it means) than Kerry,
Tyrone were liquid smooth to watch but
Dublin wouldn't have lived with Carlow today.
There was a sight in the first half of Whelan in centre of the pitch, hand on hips watching the game.
Quote from: stibhan on August 16, 2008, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
Quote from: stibhan on August 16, 2008, 05:59:38 PM
William Butler Yeats-- CAN YOU HEAR ME WB YEATS??!!!
YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING! A HELL--! OF A BEATING!!!!
Sligo were bet two months ago ::)
He was born in and lived in Dublin for much of his life. He met them at the close of day coming from counter and desk amongst grey eighteenth century houses... in Dublin, wouldn't you know.
I'll change it to swift if you want... :D
Yeats would be aghast to being described as a Dub. He considered Sligo his home.
RE Whelan
Definitely deserved to go, he was frustrated so what, does that give him the right to blatantly foul C Holmes twice in sucession after his yellow and the have the cheelk to roar at the ref whilst at the same time managing to look like a bulldog licking pish of a nettle
Conall Keaney shoudl also have walked.
players have got suspensions handed to them for more or less the same thing.
Doherty got a month for his 'Knockout jawbreaking bonecracking' swing that clean took the head of the opposite man.
Fair play to Harte and Tyrone all the same, Mc Mahon and Dooher a joy to watch.
Quote from: Main Street on August 16, 2008, 06:11:26 PM
Tyrone were liquid smooth to watch but
Dublin wouldn't have lived with Carlow today.
There was a sight in the first half of Whelan in centre of the pitch, hand on hips watching the game.
So thats where he was ;) ;D
I thought Colm McCullagh was sensational out there, conducting the attack from the 40 and chipping in with a few class scores. He had a hand in so much that was good in the Tyrone attack. An incredibly skiful and intelligent footballer.
fair balls to tyrone they played super today some great defending and great scores , dublin just like other years believed in the hype.
Manly success comes to those who do not shave.
I'm going to give it at least 2 weeks.
Tyrone were superb, but how what was up with the Dubs?
They were really poor, if they had of played half decent they would only have lost by 6 instead of 12.
Quote from: Main Street on August 16, 2008, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: Arthur on August 16, 2008, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on August 16, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
Was Whelan's the high tackle in the first?
High tackle. :o He tried to seriously hurt the man, he should of been given a straight red.
He hardly touched the player, the ref saw it, yellow card fully deserved, end of story.
Specsavers for you - he nearly took the head off him!
Quote from: Main Street on August 16, 2008, 06:16:47 PM
Manly success comes to those who do not shave.
I'm going to give it at least 2 weeks.
jesus it could catch on even the tyrone women might have beards next ;) :D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 16, 2008, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on August 16, 2008, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
Quote from: stibhan on August 16, 2008, 05:59:38 PM
William Butler Yeats-- CAN YOU HEAR ME WB YEATS??!!!
YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING! A HELL--! OF A BEATING!!!!
Sligo were bet two months ago ::)
He was born in and lived in Dublin for much of his life. He met them at the close of day coming from counter and desk amongst grey eighteenth century houses... in Dublin, wouldn't you know.
I'll change it to swift if you want... :D
Yeats would be aghast to being described as a Dub. He considered Sligo his home.
Let's put it down to the delerium of the victorious, then. Duly edited with apologies to any Westerners aghast at their literary demagogue being tarred with a dishonest brush.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2008, 06:10:24 PM
Connolly lost some amount of possession today. I was baffled as to why Dublin kept launching high balls in on top of Jayo. The main culprit for this was Bryan Cullen. The first thing the manager needs to do next year is get him away from the number 6 jersey.
After the neverending campaign two years ago to get him moved back to no. 6? :D
Quote from: Rav67 on August 16, 2008, 06:14:36 PM
I thought Colm McCullagh was sensational out there, conducting the attack from the 40 and chipping in with a few class scores. He had a hand in so much that was good in the Tyrone attack. An incredibly skiful and intelligent footballer.
He had a very good game but the Dublin full back line were atrocious. Any decent forward would look lethal with that amount of space
I think the way the ref handled the game was poor.
If elan deserved to go then he as certainly not the only one on both teams, mainly for persistent fouling than hard hitting
Pillar resigned - rte news
Quote from: Rav67 on August 16, 2008, 06:14:36 PM
I thought Colm McCullagh was sensational out there, conducting the attack from the 40 and chipping in with a few class scores. He had a hand in so much that was good in the Tyrone attack. An incredibly skiful and intelligent footballer.
I agree. I think centre forward is his best position. Very clever on the ball.
Drop it. ;)
Yes the old puke football soon sorted he potential all Ireland Dubs out. Heres hoping it sorts Kerry out aswell. Purely to hearthe new excuses the media come up with.
When Brogan went down injured early on, were the loud boos from Hill 16 directed at Tyrone to put the ball out of play so he could receive attention ::)
Quote from: winsamsoon on August 16, 2008, 06:32:42 PM
Yes the old puke football soon sorted he potential all Ireland Dubs out. Heres hoping it sorts Kerry out aswell. Purely to hearthe new excuses the media come up with.
Surely you mean Wexford? ???
i said a while ago i fancied this tyrone team to put a run together (though i was pretty wrong about armagh though ;) ) - tyrone to eat up wexford
Going for a few drinks tonight tram at McGinn's in Killyclogher. Brilliant game today. Dooher was my MoTM.
Once again another shock. But then again, looking at Dublin over the past 4 years they've always crumbled when the pressure came on. Hand on heart, I thought Dubs were the only team going to put it up to Kerry this year. I have to say I'm delighted Caffrey is gone. He went way down in my rating after his shoulder on Morrison 2 years ago. I cannot understand how Collie Moran was Dublin captain. Or how Whelan starts (and finishes! ;)) each day for Dublin, or how Shane Ryan can be so poor the day after having one of his best ever performances.
Fantastic performance from Tyrone but Dublin must have the worst tackling backs in Ireland. Everytime a Tyrone forward ran at a Dublin back he broke the tackle...... But who cares ;D
Tyrone were brilliant. Reminded me a bit of Meath's mauling of Kerry in 2001. Brilliant team performance and effort all round. Always took the right options. The pleasing thing for Tyrone supporters would be the movement and hunger of the players, i.e. forwards getting back to defend and the defenders getting forward in support and taking scores. At this stage i'm starting to believe that Dooher must have a pact with the devil or something. Unbelievable workrate and performance for a man at this stage in his career.
They will have more than enough for Wexford so it looks like they'll be in the final. I still don't think they'll have enough to beat Kerry if they meet, but who would bet against them?
Dublin were overhyped again this year. They can be an absolutely clueless bunch at times. They just haven't had the quality on the pitch nor the brains off it to win the AI.
I expected a cracker and I got one, albelit not the one I expected.
Although Dooher was easliy MoM, Mickey Harte must get much praise plaudits for planning the nullification of Shane Ryan so early in the game. Without Ryan Dublin don't function.
They quicker the Dubs find a replacement for thug Whelan the better for them, he's a millstone, Tyone just roughed him up a bit and it worked and after that - job done.
Sean Cavanagh at FF will be a major worry for any opposition, he just powered past the Dublin FB line. On top of this I note that from today's impressive total only 4pts came from frees and several defenders got on the card.
This Tyrone team has crept into the semis under the radar, ironically, probably thanks to the Down defeat, but now they must fancy their chances, I do. It doesn't come easy for a Down man to praise Tyrone but today the earned every ounce. Well done, go on and take a 3rd Sam.
Fair play to Tryone, they full deserved their win & possibly should have won it by more. As someone above said when the pressure is really on Dublin bottle it, like the did against Armagh in 03 and Tryone in 05.
No point in blaming caffery, he has limited footballers to work with, who are over hyped & over rated.
the phrase men and boys comes to mind
Quote from: tram on August 16, 2008, 06:24:56 PM
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"Tyrone supporters examine the Dublin defence while on their way to Gorey"
has anyone mentioned the frontal charge cavanagh made on whelan? very bad challenge, could have caused serious injury.
if it had been whelan on cavanagh everyone would be shouting about it.
Quote from: behind the wire on August 16, 2008, 07:16:02 PM
has anyone mentioned the frontal charge cavanagh made on whelan? very bad challenge, could have caused serious injury.
if it had been whelan on cavanagh everyone would be shouting about it.
An 'opportunity tackle' which both players entered into freely. Whelan can have no complaint. His actions shortly afterwards showed he cannot take it when its put up to him. I would not have liked to have been the weakling in his schoolyard.
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Quote from: behind the wire on August 16, 2008, 07:16:02 PM
has anyone mentioned the frontal charge cavanagh made on whelan? very bad challenge, could have caused serious injury.
if it had been whelan on cavanagh everyone would be shouting about it.
An 'opportunity tackle' which both players entered into freely. Whelan can have no complaint. His actions shortly afterwards showed he cannot take it when its put up to him. I would not have liked to have been the weakling in his schoolyard.
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Opportunity tackle my arse, Whelan had just caught a ball over his head and had just landed, he got a shoulder charge to the head, if it was the other way around , a lot of poasters here would be calling for a red to Whelan.
Bad challenge by Cavanagh but not a 'yella' tackle as we would refer to in Derry. Whelan had the ball and Cavanagh challenged him, bad challenge which deserved a yellow card but nothing more than that. Certainly not anything aimed at the head but Cavanagh certainly meant to hit him hard... and Whelan didn't catch the ball above his head either! Whelan showed himself up badly today with his off the ball antics (off the ball being far worse in my book than a tackle made during the course of the game) Another retirement possibly?
I was going to wait until the Dubs poster's got back but what the hey.. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You cannot win an All Ireland with so many passengers! McConnell, Griffin, Cahill, Connolly, Bonner, Sherlock, Keaney (to an extent... goes missing a lot in games) and Quinn are not up to it at this level. The calibre of subs the Dubs brought on compared to Tyrone also tells its own tale... Casey, Magee and Vaughan are not going to turn a match on its head and win it for you, while Tyrone called on lads like Mulligan, Mellon, Hughes and Penrose, all lads who have proven themselves at this level!
Tyrone are a shadow of the team that won the All Ireland a few years ago but as was said today they all have footballing ability and they certainly gave the Dubs a footballing lesson. I think Kerry will be a bridge too far but the way things have gone there can be a massive shift from game to game and who can say Wexford won't put it up to them.
As for the Bearded one? Well what can you say, the man is a footballing genius! How Tyrone fans could have contemplated getting rid of him is stupid. We'd take him in the morning and I'd be near certain we'd win an All Ireland. He has proven again he is the best manager about at the minute and who's to say he won't achieve more. Great performance! (Yuck I feel dirty saying that about Tyrone :-[ :-[)
The conditions were really terrible there today, so firstly I wouldn't go too hard on Dublin ... 90% of teams would've struggled out there today, it was really really miserable.
I don't think today was about Dublin being bad, it was just about Tyrone being awesome. Their basic skills were a joy to watch. The ball handling and footpassing were terrific, every footballer in the country should aspire to having that basic skillset. Tyrone just had the more skillful players today.
As said by someone else earlier, Colm McCullagh has fantastic vision. I'm still dubious about how good he is at breaking tackles, but he's worth his place on the team alone for his vision and playmaking abilities.
I feel sorry for Dublin. A lot of the lads on that panel are top guys, and they put in a massive effort, as did Pillar Caffrey. I just hope that the Dublin fans recognise that, and that they realise how bloody tough it is to win matches at this level.
Totally agree about Mickey Harte, have said it ever since 2005 when he orchestrated a totally outplayed Tyrone team comback v Dublin in the drawn q/final. Made two or three positional changes which worked wonders.
WTF happened today!!!
Very suprised at the result but fair play to the Tyronies
Few points from the game
Dublin seemd to totally lose their way when Brogan went off. It seemed that Sherlock moved closer to the goals filling Brogans role but their was no-one to put the ball in. A few balls were kicked in high to Sherlock ???
Dooher had a good game, but again he was at that diving sh1te especially under the Cusack on one occasion, but at least the ref spotted it & gave the free against him.
The tackle on Whelan was as cynical as you will see. Cavanagh saw the opportunity to take the one of the biggest names on the Dubs team out & he grabbed that opportunity with both hands.
Whelan nailed Mc Mahon shortly after in retribution IMHO. Cavanagh was down holding his nuts at half time, wonder how that happened ;)
Although incredibly cynical, Whelan went awol after this & the Garda have issued a missing persons report on him in Dublin this evening
Dublin fail to produce the goods again.
QuoteYes the old puke football soon sorted he potential all Ireland Dubs out. Heres hoping it sorts Kerry out aswell. Purely to hearthe new excuses the media come up with
yerra we'll see how we do against Cork and, sure, maybe one of us will give ye a game of some sort, even if it is just to fulfill the fixture.
Very simple really. Best team won. Extra week helped Tyrone as Dubs were focused on last week and sholud have insisted on playing then. Whelo and Cavanagh should have got line, no doubt. Tyrone awesome, can they repeat against Kerry ? What about Wexford?
Kerry Mike,
Your are getting too cocky by far.
The 2008 Kerry team is very beatable. Normally they win most of their AIs without a single difficult game but they have had 3 tough ones so far this year.
Kerry are very beatable and should Tyrone make the final my money will be on them whether it be Kerry or Cork.
Being totally honest lads the game was over at half time for us,i really expected pillar to have a game plan to beat the tyrone defence but it was just sad watchin the lads pass the ball across the pitch while tyrone retreated to defend.After the famous goal that mulligan got against us, i never thought i'd see a tyrone player prance through our defence without gettin decked.It was a sad day for dublin & i don't expect things to improve as we may have seen the end of whelo & jayo.Well done tyrone,hope to see ya gettin hammered in the final ;)
Fear the Beard lads :D
Quote from: T Toatler on August 16, 2008, 08:14:09 PM
Very simple really. Best team won. Extra week helped Tyrone as Dubs were focused on last week and sholud have insisted on playing then. Whelo and Cavanagh should have got line, no doubt. Tyrone awesome, can they repeat against Kerry ? What about Wexford?
Re Cavanagh - do many people get the line for a shoulder, even if its to another mans chest?
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QuoteKerry Mike,
Your are getting too cocky by far.
The 2008 Kerry team is very beatable. Normally they win most of their AIs without a single difficult game but they have had 3 tough ones so far this year.
Kerry are very beatable and should Tyrone make the final my money will be on them whether it be Kerry or Cork.
Yeah, Kerry Mike is an arrogant bastard alright ;D
There's a lot of cockiness floating around on the board alright but its not coming from us. Perhaps you should look closer to home at the build up to the Wexford v Down fixture if you want to find examples of cockiness.We are looking no further than Cork and before that we looked no further than Galway, a fixture that you tipped us to lose as well btw.
Quote from: screenexile on August 16, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
As for the Bearded one? Well what can you say, the man is a footballing genius!
Which bearded one are ye talking about Screen?? Feck me, it was like Planet of the Apes out there today!!!! Did you see the heck of Mulligans Ginger effort??!!! :D
Fair play to Tyrone. They deserved it. As someone said earlier in this thread, Dublin have a fear of Ulster teams.
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Quote from: screenexile on August 16, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
As for the Bearded one? Well what can you say, the man is a footballing genius!
Which bearded one are ye talking about Screen?? Feck me, it was like Planet of the Apes out there today!!!! Did you see the heck of Mulligans Ginger effort??!!! :D
Fair play to Tyrone. They deserved it. As someone said earlier in this thread, Dublin have a fear of Ulster teams.
Mugsy was never good looking to start off with anyway!!! What is it with the growing of the hair and the beard????!!!!! Have to say though, Tyrone did deserve it they outplayed the Dubs from the start.
Feck me, it was like Planet of the Apes out there today!!!!
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Quote from: The Gs Man on August 16, 2008, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 16, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
As for the Bearded one? Well what can you say, the man is a footballing genius!
Which bearded one are ye talking about Screen?? Feck me, it was like Planet of the Apes out there today!!!! Did you see the heck of Mulligans Ginger effort??!!! :D
Fair play to Tyrone. They deserved it. As someone said earlier in this thread, Dublin have a fear of Ulster teams.
Great call that ginger beard was f@@kin wild lookin he obviously done that for a bet!! ;D
As for Cavanagh's shoulder, was pretty bad, deserved a yellow. However, Whelan would have done well at the recent Summer Slam with that clothes-line......two wrongs don't make a right. He should have been sent-off for that.
Five Star display by Tyrone, today they became a great team and did Ulster proud. Hope they now push on and win Sam, they deserve it
I was shocked at the performnce of both Tyrone (good shock) and Dublin (shocking shock). Even when the ref made a cat's arse out of some decisions the venom from the surrounding Dubs was only half hearted. Dubs who know knew at half time it over.
Best I saw was a text I got from Laureleye near the end
"Biggest distruction of a Pillar in Dublin since 1966"
If there is a Professor of Irony living in Wexford he will surely be holding court tonight down in Gorey or is it Gori?
Backpage of The Sunday Tribune:
"RAIN, PAIN and then SLAIN" :D
As a nuetral that atttended today a few thoughts
- A gripping days entertainment and one of the most effective displays by any team in every facet of the game that we have seen for some time. Great defending, some superb scores - hats off to Tyrone... they even persuaded the sun to come back.
How bad were Dublin??? Only Bernard Brogan comes out of the game with real ctredit and in patches Cluxton, Cahill and Cullen but that apart...
I didn't have a clear view of the Whelan 'incident' from the Canal End but a friend in the Cuswack said at HT that it was an unmistakable strike and if so he had to go.
Cavanagh should certainly have been booked for the 'challenge' on Whelan, he did get booked for another hit some minutes later but he can and should consider hkimself lucky.
He had fortune on his side for the goal too - 11 steps...??
Thought the ref generally was poor - inconsistent. Tyrone probabaly got the better breaks from his decisions but that didn't particularly influenec the game. One general comment though - surely it is poor ptractice to have an AI QF, or indeed any major such game refereed by someone from a county that still has an interest in the competition. I'm not suggesteing for a second that Mr Mangan was consciously influenced in any way but would it not be better all round to avoid such appointments?
Despite the superb play, it really is a pity that Tyrone and Dooher in particular persists in going to ground as a first option in contact
IMHO Devine is a poor keeper.
McCullogh surprised me. I truly have not rated him as an intercoiunty player but he looked good today... but then he had the freedom of the park. his involvement proved thhough that it is a team game and Tyrone worked superbly today as a team.
In some respects nobody should be surprised - this was the same Dublin team that we saw last year. If it wasn't good enough then, why would it be good enough now. To get better something needs to change. Kerry have Tommy Walsh for example.
No harm for Dublin to get a right grilling - now they mnight try real change and come up with something. If they had won out an AI or only got betaen by Kerry or Cork in a final we'd be seeing the same crap this time next year
Any chance now that Shane Ryan, David Henry, Collie Moran and Conal Keaney would revert to playing hurling with Dublin (as they are have done / are capable of doing)
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it should certainly be suggested to moran
A pretty awesome performance from Tyrone. Outclassed Dublin in every area of the field. Certainly that makes them favourites for the All Ireland now. Cluxton will get an allstar for his save in the first half, you know he will.
The Dubs know how to choke anyway.
Quote from: D4S on August 16, 2008, 04:54:05 PM
The disappointment in Michael Lyster and Colm O'Rourke's faces is evident, they all want the glamorous Kerry dublin final and sing the demise of ulster football...not happening just yet lads!
Agree totally .. Joe B wasn't taking any sh1te and gave O' Rourke a tanning. The RTE commentary team were as bad - one quote was "I'm sure Tyrone rejoiced when they saw the rain this morning - the rain is a great leveller" - look, the fact was that wet or dry, Tyrone would have stuffed the Dubs! I can't wait to hear Spillane belittle the performance. I do recall 2005, and they tried to say that Mugsy's goal was a foul. Slap it into them and Kerry are in for the same treatment!
The best thing about today's game was that skill was the winner. Dublin's response to All-Ireland failure over the past 4 seasons was to lift weights before every training sesson. As a result they walked stright over the top of Leinster. Today though, they met a side who have been coached over the years to do the basics of catching, kicking, blocking, breaking, handpassing and angled running better than just about anyone. And by god did it show.
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Quote from: D4S on August 16, 2008, 04:54:05 PM
The disappointment in Michael Lyster and Colm O'Rourke's faces is evident, they all want the glamorous Kerry dublin final and sing the demise of ulster football...not happening just yet lads!
Agree totally .. Joe B wasn't taking any sh1te and gave O' Rourke a tanning. The RTE commentary team were as bad - one quote was "I'm sure Tyrone rejoiced when they saw the rain this morning - the rain is a great leveller" - look, the fact was that wet or dry, Tyrone would have stuffed the Dubs! I can't wait to hear Spillane belittle the performance. I do recall 2005, and they tried to say that Mugsy's goal was a foul. Slap it into them and Kerry are in for the same treatment!
Sorry, I may have been a bit presumptious. I should have said - "after Tyrone destroy Wexford, Kerry are in for the same treatment!"
Quote from: the green man on August 16, 2008, 11:22:59 PM
Certainly that makes them favourites for the All Ireland now.
think kerry will still be favorites although they wont sleep as easy tonight knowing that if they get passed cork there bogie team might be waiting in the long grass
Tyrone would have beaten almost anybody today, but Dublin were dreadful. They have a squad full of good players but no great ones. Alan Brogan is obviously their best forward, but they should still have been capable of lifting their game when he went off. Instead, they lost their shape and their spirit at a very early stage. If it had not been for a freak goal before half-time, they could have lost by 15 or 20 points.
Tyrone proved that form is temporary but class is permanent. In their first five games, they only played really well in the first 20 minutes of the drawn game in Omagh. However, when the AI series came around, they were like greyhounds out of the traps.
Dooher was fantastic throughout, but it was an outstanding team display. Above all, it was a triumph for Harte. If O'Neill, who is still only 28, was available, you would nearly make them favourites. It's lucky that they don't have to play Down too often...
Why the pussy footing around doohers continued antics?! It's not play acting or going to ground easily. He's a cheat plain and simple. His time spent with Canavan obviously rubbed off. It's some example to any juveniles watching the sport that a man of his advanced years has to resort to blatant cheating to gain an unfair advantage!
Brian Dooher is an incredible football with an amazing will to win. Most other footballers with his injuries would have retired by now. An inspirational leader, end of story
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2008, 12:47:31 AM
Why the pussy footing around doohers continued antics?! It's not play acting or going to ground easily. He's a cheat plain and simple. His time spent with Canavan obviously rubbed off. It's some example to any juveniles watching the sport that a man of his advanced years has to resort to blatant cheating to gain an unfair advantage!
::) Looks like the only way Dublin could catch him was to dive.
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I am by no means a Tyrone supporter, and I would have questioned Dooher's approach in the past, but he was wonderful against the Dubs from the start until he was subbed late on. He took a range of big hits and kept going throughout. Any criticism should be directed against Cavanagh, who might have got a red card for the shoulder to the face on Whelan, and then Whelan himself, who should have been off immediately for his own reckless high tackle. However, Dooher showed Dublin how football should be played.
You can talk about diving all you like - you can talk about being cynical all you like !
But today, that Tyrone team played collectively as a unit and simply obliterated a Dublin team that has won 4 Leinsters in a row - so Dublin ae not a bad side -
In order to beat Dublin, and let's face it, they didn't simply beat Dublin, they absolutely annihilated Dublin, they had to play a brand of football that we hadn't seen since 2005.
So lads, please on this occasion - don't talk about being cynical, blanket defence, diving or cheating - let us salute Mickey Harte, his backroom team and the team itself on an awesome display of football. Hats off to Tyrone - they gave a superb display that everybody with the exception of green eyed monsters, would salute and herald as one of their finest days in Croke Park -
Instead of being critical of Tyrone, give them the credit which they so richly deserve tonight.
Ok it's only an AI quarter final they won, but they took out a Dublin team that was on the crest of a wave.
Well done Mickey Harte and all the lads - you're a credit !
And please forgive me - I didn't think they could win today. My faith in football has been well and truly restored.
Awesome display by Tyrone, simply awesome. I was sure that we'd win today, but I never dreamt we'd blow Dublin out of the water. Everyman played his part and showed the skill and determination we have become so accustomed to in recent years. Sure there was a few things I wasn't happy with, but in the grand scheme of things, it didn't affect in course of the game. For the first time since April, I can say there's a good chance for Sam this year.... if we get pass Wexford. Harte, I salute you.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2008, 06:08:13 PM
Ha ha! Bring them on ;)
Would the 'pundits', paid or otherwise, now shut the fcuk up, ye total fecking, bleedin', clueless tosspots that ye fcukin' bleedin' are!
Anyways, as I said, we produced in Croke, and blew away a much touted and blown Leinster opposition. Bad luck Dublin.
Can I applaud those Dublin fans who applauded Brian Dooher as he was replaced -- fair dues a chairde, credit where credit is due.
Wexford will not be anything like easy, and sour memories of the timid collapse against Meath last year are not yet faded.
I agree Fear, credit to the Dubs. Any I spoke to after the game accepted the result and conceded the better team won. Plus the clapping they gave Dooher when he was taken off was lovely. The late comers though bugged my shite, but I'll talk about that later.
To the drunken Dubliner I met in a Melbourne hostel on thursday night who spent an hour moaning about 2006 & telling me why Dublin would have given Kerry a better Final & why Mayo where sh1t ;D :D 8)
How many points did Tyrone beat Mayo by? How many points did Galway who lost narrowly to Kerry beat Mayo by?
;D Nearly slept in - glad I didn't.
I'm normally an optimist but even I did not expect anything like that. Hopefully can carry it forward.
Me too tysam but this year i've been very pessimistic about our performances and was worried that the new plan this year was to hold off on even trying to hard to early on so that we can peak Aug to Sept.
Problem of course with this is you can come a cropper like last year
Like the Dubs I'm totally blown away by our performance today and fair play to the whole team for such a great display of Teamwork and showing the rest of the country we're not has beens just yet
QuoteHow many points did Tyrone beat Mayo by? How many points did Galway who lost narrowly to Kerry beat Mayo by?
cop on. Now is not the time to have cheap shots.....you should reflect more on how many points Kerry beat Mayo by in 2004, 2006.
I simply cant understand how lads like you have a go on the back of someone elses victory. Anyone who indulges in this shite has no pride in their own f**kin jersey...Mayomen, Downmen..all of ye..cop the f**k on. Seriously, ye should be ashamed.
I wonder how many beards will be sported the next day out against Wexford?
Quote from: Puckoon on August 15, 2008, 06:27:35 AM
Now is that an aussie steak, a mayo steak, a tyrone steak, or a texas fillet? None of that aul kangaroo steak carry on, unless i get the hide to make a new pair of boots.
No matter, you will paying, so we will go for all four, make sure there are french fried onions and some sauce au poivoire.
I like it. :D
Even if I lose, sure isnt herself a Dr, sure its a splash in the ocean.
Steak dinner on me Puck!!
Like most I simply didn't think that Tyrone had a performance of that magnitude in them. They were pretty awesome and all credit has to go to Mickey Harte for having them peak at the right time.
I think it does a diservice to Tyrone to have bitching about diving, who should have got red cards, who should have got yellows etc, as does the gloating from guys on here from counties who werent at the game yesterday. So I'll just talk about the football.
f**king depressing :'(
I suppose the standard question in these situations is "were Tyrone that good or were Dublin that bad".
The standard answer is "a bit of both". I disagree with that totally, it should be "a lot of both".
I honestly thought the Dubs had the measure of Tyrone this year, but huge credit to them for an outstanding display of EXCITING ATTACKING football. I found myself applauding Dooher when he came off (which drew a few funny looks on the hill) but how could any honest football fan not applaud that performance? Fair play to Tyrone and good luck with the rest of the championship.
I suppose the one bit of comfort for the Dubs who were awful, is that its the end of the Pillar era. The team that promised so much, yet ultimately proved the doubters right, they couldnt do it on the big stage.
When you are in big trouble against a rampant Tyrone team and your first decision to try to turn the game is to bring on Paul Casey, you really have to wonder. That said, it cant be all blamed on Pillar, there was a lot of big players out there who just didnt perform.
Time now to wipe the slate clean and start afresh.
As dissapointing as it was, sure its only football and we will be back in Croke park dreaming of SAM again next summer, call that arrogant, or foolish, I prefer endlessly optomistic.
Good luck to Tyrone, you fully deserve your place in the semi, and earned it in style. And the fans were great craic and conducted themselves impeccably too. Cant praise Tyrone enough in general after yesterday. You proved this doubter wrong, thats for sure.
When you are in big trouble against a rampant Tyrone team and your first decision to try to turn the game is to bring on Paul Casey, you really have to wonder. That said, it cant be all blamed on Pillar, there was at of big players out there who just didnt perform.
When I saw Paul Casey coming on I couldn't believe it - Dublin needed forward power - not a half back at that stage !
Best performance since 2005 final, Tyrone were awesome and the Dubs were poor ... clueless. Fair play to the magnanimous Dubs on this thread, great to read. I fancied us to win since the draw ... the hype round the Dubs was ridiculous since they beat Wexford, a Wexford team who showed us their true colours against Armagh
Bottom line, the hype of pundits doesn't win games, footballers win games, and the footballers who won the game yesterday have Celtic crosses in their back pockets, been there, got the T-shirt ... form is temporary, class is permanent..
Finally, to those calling for Mickey Harte's head earlier in the season, wise the f**k up now
QuoteI think it does a diservice to Tyrone to have bitching about diving, who should have got red cards, who should have got yellows etc, as does the gloating from guys on here from counties who werent at the game yesterday. So I'll just talk about the football.
f**king depressing
I suppose the standard question in these situations is "were Tyrone that good or were Dublin that bad".
The standard answer is "a bit of both". I disagree with that totally, it should be "a lot of both".
I honestly thought the Dubs had the measure of Tyrone this year, but huge credit to them for an outstanding display of EXCITING ATTACKING football. I found myself applauding Dooher when he came off (which drew a few funny looks on the hill) but how could any honest football fan not applaud that performance? Fair play to Tyrone and good luck with the rest of the championship.
I suppose the one bit of comfort for the Dubs who were awful, is that its the end of the Pillar era. The team that promised so much, yet ultimately proved the doubters right, they couldnt do it on the big stage.
When you are in big trouble against a rampant Tyrone team and your first decision to try to turn the game is to bring on Paul Casey, you really have to wonder. That said, it cant be all blamed on Pillar, there was a lot of big players out there who just didnt perform.
Time now to wipe the slate clean and start afresh.
As dissapointing as it was, sure its only football and we will be back in Croke park dreaming of SAM again next summer, call that arrogant, or foolish, I prefer endlessly optomistic.
Good luck to Tyrone, you fully deserve your place in the semi, and earned it in style. And the fans were great craic and conducted themselves impeccably too. Cant praise Tyrone enough in general after yesterday. You proved this doubter wrong, thats for sure.
That's a commendable post your holiness and fair play to you.
I have to say I feel sorry for the Dubs and like it or not the Leinster championship was dead until they arrived on the scene. I feel particularly sorry for Shane Ryan, Whelan, Cluxton and the Ballyboden lads Keany and Moran. Maybe Dinny Breen will explain what went wrong and judging by his view that "Laois think they are better than they are" or some crazy idea like that perhaps the Herald in particular put too much pressure on the lads. Like I say, it is a crazy idea because if you take it to a logical conclusion then Kildare must have went out against Cork thinking they were worse than they actually are so maybe the new setup will introduce more ball work and less gym work. As you say, time to wipe the slate clean and start afresh but now is not the time for anyone to be slating the players.
EDIT: Just on the issue of bar stool experts who castigate players and think they know everything. Watched the last Dubs game in my local and a group of eejits, one in particular had it in for one of the Dubs players who certainly was not deserving the loud criticism he was getting, "xyz player is a f%%%ing &***er , he is this, he is that etc." What said loudmouth did not realise was that it was the players sister who was doing the lounge service. He was in mid sentence saying he was a uselss cnut when magically and with slight of hand two full pints of Guinness fell right off the tray she was holding and landed in said loudmouths lap. We all went outside for a smoke, well actually to break our hearts laughing!
Fair play to Mickey Harte and Tyrone. Simply outstanding.
I'm no Dubs fan but the players involved on that panel have spilt blood, sweat and tears to try to bring themselves up to Tyrone's level partciularly since the 2005 Final. When their chance came everything that could go wrong on the day went wrong and they had no answers. Caffrey was never the man to bring this team over the line and probably stayed 2 years too long. It will probably take another 2/3 years to have another decent shot.
When you peel away the hype though the hard facts are that since 2002 Dublin have only beaten Donegal, Derry x 2, London, Sligo and Roscommon from outside Leinster. In other words no big name slain.
Didn't know you were a Tyrone man Hardstation. Thought you were an Antrim man.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 17, 2008, 08:54:06 AM
I suppose the standard question in these situations is "were Tyrone that good or were Dublin that bad".
The standard answer is "a bit of both". I disagree with that totally, it should be "a lot of both".
Same could be said for the Leinster final with Dublin Wexford. But yet again the media and dublin players/fans get in to the hype and think they have improved on last year because they beat a team who hadnt played in a leinster final for 50 odd years by such a margin. Wexford collapsed in leinster final...and then Dublin became awesome, Tyrone were brilliant from the first minute yesterday and Dublin collapsed. Down collapsed in croke park as Wexford got their 2 early goals, so we did same as Dublin did yesterday, played like men suffering from shock. That's what happens when you believe the favorites tag and all the hype.
not going to bother reading through the morass of juvenile jibes above amid some good posts. But i'll sign off for good by congratulating Tyrone on a magnificent display from a very special group of footballers. I was worried going into the game but thought we might pull through.Just goes to show how wrong you can be. We're miles off that level,and can have no complaints. Tyrone are a shining example to some other ulster counties that you don't need a blanket defence to produce displays like yesterday.they were brilliant and i salute them.
Mickey Harte as well deserves to be up there with the best managers of the modern era. If only........
Anyway Adios.
QuoteI am. Just wondering why Tyrone are getting a hard time from certain people.
There's a bit of Tyrone in me too. And Sligo, so don't go starting on them.
Well, theres a bit of Cork in me too but I still leave them fight their own battles.
The Tyrone lads are well able to dish it out (including targetting Armagh, Antrim, Down etc) which makes me wonder
why you lads feel the need to defend them.
is there such a thing as pride in ones county in Ulster anymore ? do you lads change shirts as soon as your own team is beaten ?
or sean cavanagh's elbow to whelan's head,you forgot that.
Tyrone were superb. McCullagh looked like he had a vision of the game on Friday night and knew exactly where to be and who was around him for the 70 mins. Dooher was mighty!
The Dub fans where fantastic. Fair play to the Dubs they made a great day better with their congratulations and best wishes after the match.
There has been some crap talked on this thread for quite a while now and much of it has not improved since the game was played. Much of the predictions for this match were based on history someone made up. Talk about Tyrones style, Dublins Style, superior fitness levels of Dublin, free flowing attacking footaball, the rain, fighting, blah blah blah etc. etc. All bull shit spouted by the papers and pundits. All swallowed sink line and hooker by some posters and then repeated here. There was no bases for any of these predictions and they all seem stupid as completely opposite was the resulting game.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on August 17, 2008, 11:51:46 AM
I was a bit shocked to read in the Star (don't ask) this morning under the heading 'Best of the bosses' - Paul Caffery - Dublin Footballers - Dublin retained their Leinster Championship for the fourth year in a row which is a considerable achievement in its own right, but yesterday's win over Tyrone is surely Caffrey's greatest landmark yet in the Dublin hot-seat. His patient team-building looks like its really bearing fruit, and for the first time in years, Dublin look like they have a team good enough to win an All-Ireland.
Well done editors!
Are you serious? There must have been two reports prepared and the editor printed the wrong one. Does Spillane write for them too? Red face.
to answer screenexile- theres no way I'd include Griffin or Cahill on your list of 'not good enough's' !
Dublin had one of those days - the ones that every team gets once a year maybe twice. The team just couldnt get going.
I predicted at least a 5 point win for the dubs, and if the scoreline had been the other way around, I wouldnt have been surprised.
I just didnt see where Tyrone could have got any momentum or synchronicity all of a sudden, as even up until the mayo game, they were not at the races.
Still they got it spot on yesterday, a majestic performance of intelligence over exhuberence.
Mickey harte proving again why many - inc me - think hes the best in the business.
Teams talk about hunger, but hunger and desire can only do so much, its intelligence and application of a gameplan that wins games -imo
Well done tyrone, and given that I have tipped cork to beat Kerry, it could very well end up being a kerry v tyrone final - as I expect a good game from wexford but if tyrone play like that again, it will be hard to see them beaten by the slaney boys.
entertaining footabll.
At least things now make sense, as I could never have thought a dublin team under caffrey would win the all Ireland, though this season so far with Dublin playing out of their skins made me re-consider this.
wonder who Dublins next manager will be. He has the materials to win the AI (many of which were not on the starting XV imo)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 17, 2008, 11:15:34 AM
QuoteI am. Just wondering why Tyrone are getting a hard time from certain people.
There's a bit of Tyrone in me too. And Sligo, so don't go starting on them.
Well, theres a bit of Cork in me too but I still leave them fight their own battles.
The Tyrone lads are well able to dish it out (including targetting Armagh, Antrim, Down etc) which makes me wonder
why you lads feel the need to defend them.
is there such a thing as pride in ones county in Ulster anymore ? do you lads change shirts as soon as your own team is beaten ?
Were you not extolling the virtues of the Limerick team a few weeks ago Mikey?
I'm not a Tyrone lover to be honest... hate them actually and if Derry played them in the morning I'd be calling them all the cousin ridin diving puke footballing hoors of the day. However I like to think I can be objective when other teams are playing and this talk of 'diving' and 'dirty tackles' yesterday is really getting to me.
Can anyone who has ever played football honestly say if they were in Cavanagh's position yesterday they wouldn't have made the same tackle? It was a shoulder to the chest, that's it! It's a yellow card all day long and nothing more. Anything striking off the ball or on the ball deserves a red although I think Keaney and Whelan were close enough to getting the line but it would have been very harsh.
As for the verbals well yeah I do agree that when you're 13 points up it is not very classy to be rubbing it in players faces but I've been watching Dublin for years and any inter county player will tell you that Casey is probably the worst hoor for it in the country and the Dubs the worst team for it... .remember there is a lot of history between these teams so you are going to get a lot of it. And anyway does anyone think Mosy Quinn's going to have sleepless nights because Brian McGuigan said he was a shite free taker and was going to miss that particular kick?
The whole thing has been going on for years anyway and to think it's a new thing introduced by Tyrone or Dublin is nonsense. Talk to any of the Kerry lads from the great teams and no doubt they'll have a few stories of trash talkin. Tony Scullion gets hours of chat out of the things that used to be said to him on the pitch and Diarmuid Marsden loves telling how Kieran McKeever used to call him a yella bastard from start to finish in a match.
Lastly the puke football and the blanket defence. I would say there are now levels of the blanket defence that didn't exist before. Armagh for my money are now the worst exponent of it as they concentrate so much on defence that they don't have the footballers to get the ball up to their deadly forward line. For me the football they play is very poor. Fermanagh on the other hand have better footballers in their defence but are different to Armagh in they have sweet FA up front so they do well defensively, are able to move the ball up the pitch but then can't score which again is bad to watch and is puke football. Tyrone have good footballers throughout their team as well as forwads who can finish. Any of the FF/HF line could end up in defence but the way they break with pace and take some breathtaking scores means the football they play is not bad to watch, the blanket defence without the puke football. Do any teams other than Kerry have a way of matching this Tyrone team when they are at their best? Who knows?
Does anyone know when this match will be repeated? Either on RTE or on Setanta. Want to watch it online but with the Geo Lock cant do it.
Read all the posts on here and some Tyrone supporters do let themselves down by bringing themselves down to others levels. To be honest would be best ignoring the WUM's.
A lot of Tyrone supporters have mentioned the Dublin supporters from yesterday - again all that spoke to me wished Tyrone luck and shaked hands. Others were simply saying please don't let Kerry win another easy All-Ireland. But one thing I was impressed with was the amount that stayed to the end and kept singing away to their players. Good to see!
Not going to comment on the preformance of either team its all been done and everyone sees it differently. Still cant really believe it. Went more in hope than anything yesterday...
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 17, 2008, 12:05:28 PM
to answer screenexile- theres no way I'd include Griffin or Cahill on your list of 'not good enough's' !
I'm not having that lb... Maybe I'm being harsh on Griffin but he got taken to the cleaners against us last year and now yeserday too.
I've always argued that there's no real football in Cahill having played against him at Club level a couple of times. He didn't stand out for Brigid's and he doesn't stand out for the Dubs... he wouldn't make many other decent teams in the country is what I'm geting at I suppose. Limited footballer. Having said that if people had never seen Moran at his best they'd be saying the same thing... he was very close to going on my list too as he has done very little for the Dubs in the past few years!
Monday 18th 10:30am Setanta Sports 2 for any of those interested.
QuoteAt least things now make sense, as I could never have thought a dublin team under caffrey would win the all Ireland, though this season so far with Dublin playing out of their skins made me re-consider this.
Spot on Lynchboy. LIke yourself I thought the Dubs were possibly going to do it despite their limitations on the line.
On any fair apraisal of the game yeaterday you'd have to say it was a surprise. My read on why it happened is this. Dublins game plan is based on speed. Quick and long delivery to flying forwards into the corners for them to run on. Then they use their pace to take on and beat their men or win frees. The pace they operate at causes savage problems. Trouble yesterday was the weather. Balls skidded out over the line and conditions made it tough to hold onto the ball initially, keep the footing and bring the ball through the tackle. The loss of Alan Brogan compounded this so that's why the Dublin didn't function. And sadly for Dubs fans there was no plan B. Tyrone's all round better footballing ability got them through. In the difficult conditions the ability to execute the basics better than their opponents was telling. I also firmly believe the extra week was crucial to them. Dooher, for example, looked jaded against Mayo after a run of 3 games on consecutive weekends. We all saw how he performed yesterday.
Am genuinely sorry for Dubs supporters, team etc. They are there or thereabouts a long time now and the change of management is perhaps a year or two later than it should have happened though there's still time for this team to do it. They cannot have lads like Casey, Quinn, Bonner on the team though - there must be better out there. And McConnell might be worth a spot but I don't think its at 3.
What now for Tyrone? Despite this great performance I think Wexford will give them a tough time though they will probably make the final. And then - who knows?
I was proud to be in Croker yesterday, the sight of the hill was amazing and I almost wanted to join in with the "Come on you boys in blue" chants.
Tyrone committed fully yesterday - they put in blocks all over the pitch, from forward to back lines. Nothing went Dublin's way, the goal attempt that came off the crossbar exemplified this.
Enda McGinley remains my player of the championship so far - consistently amazing.
My work colleagues have told me after every match about how lucky we were this year - I now hope they can see that we, like Wexford, deserve to be there on merit. Total faith, time for some of that, these lads will do whatever is possible to get us past Wexford. And I'm looking forward to the tussle immensely!
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 17, 2008, 12:29:08 PM
Tyrone's all round better footballing ability got them through. In the difficult conditions the ability to execute the basics better than their opponents was telling. I also firmly believe the extra week was crucial to them. Dooher, for example, looked jaded against Mayo after a run of 3 games on consecutive weekends. We all saw how he performed yesterday.
Spot on, just watching it again here - Jordan, whose pace seemed to have deserted him a few games ago was absolutely flying yesterday.
very proud to be a tyrone man after yesterday. we were bloody awesome and hopefully we can keep that level up for the wexford game.
On most other days Dublin would have come back to make a game of it and the Hill would have been roaring them on.
What happened to them in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half?
Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 17, 2008, 09:38:05 AM
Just on the issue of bar stool experts who castigate players and think they know everything. Watched the last Dubs game in my local and a group of eejits, one in particular had it in for one of the Dubs players who certainly was not deserving the loud criticism he was getting, "xyz player is a f%%%ing &***er , he is this, he is that etc." What said loudmouth did not realise was that it was the players sister who was doing the lounge service. He was in mid sentence saying he was a uselss cnut when magically and with slight of hand two full pints of Guinness fell right off the tray she was holding and landed in said loudmouths lap
Maybe the sister is the one that should be playing if her 'shooting' is that good!!
QuoteTyrone. Outclassed Dublin in every area of the field. Certainly that makes them favourites for the All Ireland now
Ah settle - far from it. Kerry will be stronger favourites - 8/11 according to P Power with Tyrone at 5/2 and Cork at 9/2.
Looked at that video of Cavanagh's 'tackle. Nasty intent but ultimately only a booking... That's assuming the CCC stay away from it after being nuetered by the DRA. If Moran's 'tackle' on Bannon could be judged a red in retrospect then so would this one... Presumabaly we won't see that bulls***t start.
twas built up by the media and dublin to be their year ,and when it went pear shaped they didn't know what to do. I believe they naively underestimated tyrone and weren't expecting it. You never underestimate anyone with an all-ireland in his arse pocket especially whenyou don't have one.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 17, 2008, 11:03:56 AM
...Tyrone are a shining example to some other ulster counties that you don't need a blanket defence to produce displays like yesterday.they were brilliant and i salute them.
Mickey Harte as well deserves to be up there with the best managers of the modern era. If only........
Anyway Adios.
Cheers
INDIANA, Sláinte.
Anyways, can't wait for
The Muppet Show, er... sorry, I mean The Sunday Game ;) Such incisive, razor-sharp, analysis and clinical game and team reading!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2008, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 17, 2008, 11:03:56 AM
...Tyrone are a shining example to some other ulster counties that you don't need a blanket defence to produce displays like yesterday.they were brilliant and i salute them.
Mickey Harte as well deserves to be up there with the best managers of the modern era. If only........
Anyway Adios.
Cheers INDIANA, Sláinte.
Anyways, can't wait for The Muppet Show, er... sorry, I mean The Sunday Game ;) Such incisive, razor-sharp, analysis and clinical game and team reading!
I dont think any team would have lived with Tyrone yesterday . It will be any easy one to analyise . The Dubs looked as bad as our boys did in the 2001 semi final against Meath. How will Tyrone cope with Cussan ?
Quote from: johnpower on August 17, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
. It will be any easy one to analyise . The Dubs looked as bad as our boys did in the 2001 semi final against Meath. How will Tyrone cope with Cussan ?
I was talking more about their predictions in relation to yesterday's game John, like "Tyrone are like Armagh and are running on empty too, and Dublin will win with something to spare" (Kevin Mc Stay).
Regarding how we deal with Cussen: nice try, but we're not to be fooled ;)
Don't anybody be worrying about Cussen - Sligo completely blotted him in last year's QF. He's no Donaghy or Cavanagh... or even a Bergin
Quote from: paddypastit on August 17, 2008, 02:16:18 PM
Don't anybody be worrying about Cussen - Sligo completely blotted him in last year's QF. He's no Donaghy or Cavanagh... or even a Bergin
Hes bloody better than Bergin on current form
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2008, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 17, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
. It will be any easy one to analyise . The Dubs looked as bad as our boys did in the 2001 semi final against Meath. How will Tyrone cope with Cussan ?
I was talking more about their predictions in relation to yesterday's game John, like "Tyrone are like Armagh and are running on empty too, and Dublin will win with something to spare" (Kevin Mc Stay).
Regarding how we deal with Cussen: nice try, but we're not to be fooled ;)
Oh yes indeed alot of pundits did indeed have Tyrone written off . Did even any Tyrone fans expect the margin to be as big ?
Cussen is a dangerous enough player, no question (particularly on the edge of the square), but we're in no position yet to be worrying about him -- there's the little matter of a very tricky assignment against Wexford, and that's more than enough to contend with at this point.
Quote from: johnpower on August 17, 2008, 02:19:06 PM
Did even any Tyrone fans expect the margin to be as big ?
No John, absolutely not. I felt that if we could raise the game (as we did), we'd win by an absolute maximum of 4-5 points, and it's fair to say that the vast majority of us are still in a degree of (very pleasant) shock.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i35WRFDcKGo&feature=related
You're just too considerate RLL ;)
;D
RLL you can't attempt to make some payback for the Dubs using the currency that another team earned, can you?
Phenomonal performance yesterday, and just goes to show that there's plenty of class in that team yet. This team just keeps giving and giving. To think that before 1995, when i was 17, tyrone had played 7 championship games in HQ, and lost 6 of them, we donn't know we're born. All credit really must go to MH. In the entire time he's been manager, i can only think of 1 game that he may have made the wrong call, but in reality what do i know about it.
Great day yesterday, atmosphere was superb, and any dub i encountered was gracious in defeat. Most even stayed, when the game was really up with with 3 unanswered points after the half, and that's hard to do. Must say gutted for them, as that must be one of their most disappointing days in championship football. God knows we've had plenty.
Funny old championship, i think all we know is that Kerry are quality, on their day tyrone can take anyone, as could cork, and wexford are strong and improving, with a great manager. Wouln't be surprised if any of the four took it.
On a final note, I will firstly admit there were a few negatives in theTyrone performance, but none more than you get from any team, and to all the begrudgers i would say, if you can't watch that match and concede that Tyrone played brilliant, entertaining, committed and skilful football you're an idiot. It must be hard to be so relentlessly churlish and negative, and if you didn't think that was entertaining football, you've no place on a GAA discussion board.
And if you're on a wind-up, well done.
From Hoganstand.com:
With more beards in evidence than a woodcutter's convention, the O'Neill County men completely destroyed their bewildered opponents with a display of panache, pace, power, skill, hunger and facial hair. All but 0-1 of their huge tally came from play, while hot favourites Dublin simply had no answer as they succumbed to a shock twelve-point drubbing.
;D
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on August 17, 2008, 05:37:14 AM
To the drunken Dubliner I met in a Melbourne hostel on thursday night who spent an hour moaning about 2006 & telling me why Dublin would have given Kerry a better Final & why Mayo where sh1t ;D :D 8)
How many points did Tyrone beat Mayo by? How many points did Galway who lost narrowly to Kerry beat Mayo by?
galway lost narrowly to kerry? dont think so... great performance by tyrone all over the field, dont think the dubs won any battle and thanks for the warning!!!
fair play to the dublin fans yesterday, they were class with doher and the way the hill reacted to the defeat
Was chatting to a few Kilkenny heads last night, and they reckoned that "Kilkenny played hurling against Cork last week like Tyrone play football"... Wow!... Compliments come no greater!
Still speechless following yesterday's display. 3-13 from play is unreal. No team Kerry included could have withstood that onslaught. Forgot to set the SKY+ to record it. Anybody got it on DVD?
The ref, a Kerry man taking retrospective action against Cavanagh - could get a bit political that
What can you say after witnessing that? As someone text me last night – they've just finished eating their humble pie and are currently wiping the egg off their face. I include myself in that bracket. Tyrone produced the performance that you could only hope for but never expected. It was simply a dream. Albeit some flaws, they managed to patch together all those little tit-bits of good play over the last 5 games and produced 60-65 mins of scintillating, dominating football. The support play was almost on a par to the AIF of 2005, just falling short. McMenamin, the McMahons, Gormley, Jordan, Holmes, McGinley, the McGuigans, McCullagh, Harte ...the list goes on – they produced their best performances of the year individually and as a collective unit. Dooher and Cavanagh were legendary figures prowling the Croker turf yesterday.
How did this happen? Firstly it was foolish to doubt the attitude of our players and I include myself in that grouping. You don't win 2 AIs scratching your arse. However, we had only seen snippets of what they were capable of since 2005. The Meath game last year meant that we were always fearing the worst and the majority of Tyrone fans there yesterday went expecting defeat but hoping for a last hurrah. They got more than the latter. Secondly, Dublin in Croke Park seems to bring out the best in this crop. They relish the occasion and their pedigree of producing All-Ireland winning performances since 1998 was there for all to see. They're a special group. Thirdly, I thought the Dubs were extremely nervous and lost. Pillar was too busy harassing the linesman to give some sort of guidance to his players. Do they even listen to him? To leave Sherlock and Quinn up front and launch high balls into them beggared belief. Dublin are better off without Pillar if they harbour AI ambitions. Did Pillar get the best out of a mediocre bunch? I think they underachieved during the last 2-3 years when an All-Ireland was there for the taking. Whelan and Ryan were clueless as to how to distribute good ball under pressure and Whelan's demeanour in the first half smacked of a man who'd accepted the inevitable. The 5-week lay-off didn't help – same as 3 years ago.
Big up to the Jackeen fans though. Found them fair-minded and wished us all well. Funniest moment was when a fan lit his wallet, stood up and waved it around – they do that in Madrid? Got a laugh anyway. Saw the Dub coach leave and they were mightily shattered. As for Tyrone, as Mickey said, one swallow doesn't make a summer. We remember the Donegal game last year and how we never reached those heights again. Wexford are in the position we were yesterday. A big challenge.
But – to you Mickey Harte and his team – you are the men!
I saw a big baldy supporter, with a dirty beard and a '95 Tyrone top with leather patches on the elbows. Wasn't you by any chance ONeill?
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5395/gaaij2.jpg
Fair play to Mickey Harte for picking up the pieces and then some after the disaster against Down, when so many people were saying the game was up. It must have been really hard to walk out the gate after that match wondering if his time and his team were finished .
Quote from: under the bar on August 17, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
Still speechless following yesterday's display. 3-13 from play is unreal. No team Kerry included could have withstood that onslaught. Forgot to set the SKY+ to record it. Anybody got it on DVD?
If you're in ireland you can watch it on rte.ie in the 2008 championship section. Needs realplayer
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2008, 04:32:15 PM
As someone text me last night – they've just finished eating their humble pie and are currently wiping the egg off their face. I include myself in that bracket
How did this happen? Firstly it was foolish to doubt the attitude of our players and I include myself in that grouping.
Don't ever be so naïve again ;)
QuoteIf you're in ireland you can watch it on rte.ie in the 2008 championship section. Needs realplayer
Can you view it in the North? Not working for me.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 17, 2008, 04:54:37 PM
I saw a big baldy supporter, with a dirty beard and a '95 Tyrone top with leather patches on the elbows. Wasn't you by any chance ONeill?
Nearly.
Baldy.
Dirty beard
'86 top
No patches.
Forkinknife has diarrhoea at the minute so couldn't make it. Speedy recovery fnk.
Quote from: under the bar on August 17, 2008, 05:49:40 PM
QuoteIf you're in ireland you can watch it on rte.ie in the 2008 championship section. Needs realplayer
Can you view it in the North? Not working for me.
Yeah, i'm amongst the bushes and got it no worries. Are you sure you've realplayer installed. If not, go to realplayer.com and download free.
Even on realplayer it won't work for me and just displays the message 'can only be viewed in Ireland'.
Not sure then, maybe a computer head could help. might be something to do with your server. It's even more impressive second time, and much drier. Heard someone say it's on setanta 2 at 10.30 in the morning, although they've also been known to screw viewers in the north.
Quote from: under the bar on August 17, 2008, 04:46:52 PM
Big Sean was just helping Whelan into retirement. Couldn't have happened to a nicer fella and hopefully he's still feeling it today.
Most posts here between Tyrone and Dublin fans have been gracious in victory / defeat, in fact most of this thread is commendable and a good example of how decent fans /posters should conduct themselves after a game.
This post is very dissapointing and not representative of the Tyrone fans I encountered over the weekend or the majority of posters on here.
HHNB - The same amadan is at it on another thread about Big Joe Kernan - although its bad form, pay no mind to him.
Super stuff yesterday from Tyrone. Hungrier team, Smarter team and and better team all over the park.
Fitness levels were amazing as well as handling and ball control in difficult conditions.
Dooher was immense as was Mc Ginley & Harte.
As a neutral would love to see them & Kerry going toe to toe in the final.
Pillar stepping down will hopefully refocus these Dublin players, so that they can come back again next year and mount a challenge.
I wouldnt wish any of the 4 teams left more luck than the other to be honest, may the best team win.
But personally, the potential final that would excite me the most would be Kerry v Tyrone.
Still can work out how y'day happened ! But fair dues to them.
Has to be Mickey Harte's finest hour as a manager. Well done Tyrone.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 17, 2008, 09:42:59 PM
Has to be Mickey Harte's finest hour as a manager. Well done Tyrone.
I reckon this was his greatest ever triumph !
Setanta will only keep this game on archive for the rest of the year - If any board members have recorded this on DVD, and would be willing to send a copy down to omagh so that It can be brought over to me - Id be very appreciative.
Postage and packaging paid for.
Sensational performance by Tyrone based on great possession football and support play. They played very difficult conditions perfectly. To my mind all the old questions about Dublin came back to haunt them - riddled with self doubt when things started to go wrong and no leadership on or off the pitch. The more things went wrong, the greater the panic and any semblance of a game plan fell totally apart. Dooher was back to the vintage of 2005 and stood out in a great team performance. However, if I may, special congratulations to club mate Collie Holmes who I thought also had a great game doing a lot of hard work around the middle - maybe less eye catching but vital to the success of the team nontheless.
Having seen Brian Dooher first hand against both Westmeath and Dublin, if he can produce another performance or two like yesterdays he's well in contention for player of the year. It is a shame though he persists with lying about the place. Every other aspect of his game and attitude is top class, his workrate, his running and his ability to take scores.
Overall I don't think Tyrone are as good as they looked nor are Dublin that bad.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 17, 2008, 10:16:24 PM
Setanta will only keep this game on archive for the rest of the year - If any board members have recorded this on DVD, and would be willing to send a copy down to omagh so that It can be brought over to me - Id be very appreciative.
Postage and packaging paid for.
Include me on that one as well please ! Thanks !
congratuiations to all involved in the Tyrone set up, another great day for us Tyrone Gaels! A performance straight out of the 03 05 vintage, there was so much passion, skill and hair!!!!! Have to say that I predicted a Tyrone win but only by a point never imagined us completly blowin Dublin out of the water! Micky Harte take a bow and I could name 15 man of the matches but that man dooher did it again, on a side note congrats to davey, he's had his detracters all year (including myself) an produced an excellent 70 mins an what a goal! In my opinion two players have made an immeasurable contribution to this years challenge:
1- Enda - his superb performances all year (along with his midfield deputies) have allowed big sean to cause havoc up front and provide a platform for the rest of the forwards to flourish!
2- justy - his settling in at full back has allowed block to do what he does best and man the 40, he has at times this championship had to put out some fires but that just highlights his quality and versatility!
I realise wexford will be a much bigger challenge for this Tyrone team but I'm just thankful that their performance against Armagh showed their quality and will hopefully eradicate any complacency in our camp!
Just after watching the sunday and was rather surprised to hear no mention of either seans shoulder or wealans punch, must havebeen a directive to focus on the football an leave the handbags to the various other bodies!
On a side note I see o neill is due a bit of shoe lickin,I think it sholfld be posted on YouTube! See Derry v Tyrone thread from earlier in the year!!!!
Quote from: hardstation on August 17, 2008, 10:57:03 PM
QuoteOn a side note I see o neill is due a bit of shoe lickin,I think it sholfld be posted on YouTube!
How many views will his naked run from Brocagh to Sion Mills get?
It'd be great achievement to combine both. If Tyrone beat Wexford, I'll eat a live mink.
If Collie Holmes had been named midfield during the week I believe there would have been a lot of complaints. He wasnt good enough in 05 to start and he's not good enough now bla bla. But he stood up again yesterday and played well, playing an important role round the middle. I thought he played an important role in 05 from the bench as well. He's been a great servant to Tyrone over the years. Can he produce it again the next day? In the past he has played one good game followed by a very average one. He'll definately start with the only possible change being PJ Quinn coming into corner back.
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2008, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 17, 2008, 10:57:03 PM
QuoteOn a side note I see o neill is due a bit of shoe lickin,I think it sholfld be posted on YouTube!
How many views will his naked run from Brocagh to Sion Mills get?
It'd be great achievement to combine both. If Tyrone beat Wexford, I'll eat a live mink.
Steady on - no need for any porno shows on here ! ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 17, 2008, 10:59:15 PM
... He'll definately start with the only possible change being PJ Quinn coming into corner back.
He broke his collar bone playing with Errigal last week TD.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2008, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 17, 2008, 10:59:15 PM
... He'll definately start with the only possible change being PJ Quinn coming into corner back.
He broke his collar bone playing with Errigal last week TD.
You mean Paul Quinn broke his collar bone with Errigal - NOT PJ Quinn from Moortown who I think is who TD is referrng to.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2008, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 17, 2008, 10:59:15 PM
... He'll definately start with the only possible change being PJ Quinn coming into corner back.
He broke his collar bone playing with Errigal last week TD.
PAUL Quinn broke his collarbone, not PG Quinn, who plays for Moortan ::)
Thanks folks, I stand (or loll lazily) corrected.
I believe Colm Cavanagh will also be an option in a fortnight.
QuoteJust after watching the sunday and was rather surprised to hear no mention of either seans shoulder or wealans punch, must havebeen a directive to focus on the football an leave the handbags to the various other bodies!
That's all well and good but the issue is that the various other bodies will likely show no interest because it hasn't been raised on the Sunday Game.
Now I'm not for one minute suggesting that I'd like to see Sean Cavanagh suspended. Of the 2 incidents in questions, there were both borderline decisions and I would tend towards the view that Ciaran Whelan probably just about deserved a red card and Cavanagh's challenge was at the more serious end of the scale in terms of what you should get a yellow card for. In Whelan's case, any retrospective suspension may well be meaningless as there's a good chance that there won't be any intercounty games for him at all next summer.
But the main issue here is consistency. If I was Fergal Doherty looking at what's happened, I'd be thinking that I got a suspension, which arguably cost Derry their place in the Ulster championship, over an incident in a live TV Game being highlighted by RTÉ analysts later that night, yet this approach is not taken in another comparable situation.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 18, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
Ciaran Whelan probably just about deserved a red card
you must be jokin - it was a disgraceful tackle - and it shouldnt even be called a tackle
A very loose game though wasnt it ? not much in the way of tackling going on. McCullagh in particular wont get anywhere near the room he was afforded yesterday against Wexford.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 18, 2008, 12:58:37 AM
A very loose game though wasnt it ? not much in the way of tackling going on. McCullagh in particular wont get anywhere near the room he was afforded yesterday against Wexford.
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yeah, I can see how you might be tired after all your dub-baiting.
Jesus is that the time, must be getting to bed.
After all the Davey Harte bashing I've seen on this board over the years with people saying he's only there because Mickey his uncle. I thought he was outstanding the last day and in my mind wasn't far behind Brian Dooher as MOTM.
Quote from: GallBoss on August 18, 2008, 09:06:47 AM
After all the Davey Harte bashing I've seen on this board over the years with people saying he's only there because Mickey his uncle. I thought he was outstanding the last day and in my mind wasn't far behind Brian Dooher as MOTM.
Don't get carried away. The questions asked of Harte were ligitimate. The questions asked of Mickey were too. As Mickey said himself "one swallow does not make a summer". There were no medals handed out on Saturday.
Puckoon and Orangeman. I havent sky + it yet but I can and then burn it to a DVD later. I can only get the Setanata version if thats what you want. PM if you want me to give it a go.
The hurling is on before it if you want that aswell.
The pain is still very raw.
Congratulations to Tyrone who were superb on Saturday and gave Dublin a lesson is every single area of the field. They were hungrier, stronger, quicker and more accurate with their use of the ball. Brian Dooher at 33 years of age was immense.
Dublin need to go back to the drawing board. There is very little coming through from minor and U21 though.
The dublin defence are an absolute laughing stock! They dont understand the concept of marking whatsoever, as good as tyrone were this contributed big time.
McCullough in particular was getting balls in front of his "marker" uncontested and knew he had the time to turn
For the amount of clubs in dublin and ross mc connell is the best full-back they are putting out then they are going nowhere fast!
Unlike pillar, harte had a plan. a tried and tested plan that the players execute to great success. Defenders are well protected and through the middle there is always a man coming off the shoulder. very effective.
Quote from: GallBoss on August 18, 2008, 09:06:47 AM
After all the Davey Harte bashing I've seen on this board over the years with people saying he's only there because Mickey his uncle. I thought he was outstanding the last day and in my mind wasn't far behind Brian Dooher as MOTM.
I agree. Davey has been one of the most consistant footballers Tyrone have had over the last 3 or 4 years. People who call for him and Mickey to be dropped are showing their lack of understanding of the game ::) Wise up and let the best manager the game has ever seen get on with his job and be grateful we have him... >:(
Quote from: Kentucky Blue on August 18, 2008, 10:36:36 AM
The dublin defence are an absolute laughing stock! They dont understand the concept of marking whatsoever, as good as tyrone were this contributed big time.
McCullough in particular was getting balls in front of his "marker" uncontested and knew he had the time to turn
For the amount of clubs in dublin and ross mc connell is the best full-back they are putting out then they are going nowhere fast!
Unlike pillar, harte had a plan. a tried and tested plan that the players execute to great success. Defenders are well protected and through the middle there is always a man coming off the shoulder. very effective.
That is my abiding memory of the game - Tommy Mc Guigan sent a ball across the square and there was nobody there -
Davy Harte should never have been allowed to dance through 3 Dublin players and beat the goalie from that distance - Sean Cavanagh shouldn't have been allowed to go the inside route to goal - nobody covered in defence at all.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on August 18, 2008, 09:51:45 AM
Puckoon and Orangeman. I havent sky + it yet but I can and then burn it to a DVD later. I can only get the Setanata version if thats what you want. PM if you want me to give it a go.
The hurling is on before it if you want that aswell.
gerry, how do you do that?
Any sign of Tankie yet? I'm a little worried about him.
AZ I sky plus it and I have a DVD recorder also, overnight then I play the sky + copy and have the DVD set to record at the same time. Its a bit of a pain in the arse but usefull if someone needs a copy. ( I have 4 request already!)
Ahem....5 please? You should set up a website with paypal...
Two of the neighbours are Tyrone supporters and they are not fussed on MH and state that there are many in Tyrone who would like rid.
Can I ask anyone from Tyrone here if this has any truth and if so why, because in my opinion we are talking about an absolutely brilliant manager - Saturday just reiterated that.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 18, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
Two of the neighbours are Tyrone supporters and they are not fussed on MH and state that there are many in Tyrone who would like rid.
Can I ask anyone from Tyrone here if this has any truth and if so why, because in my opinion we are talking about an absolutely brilliant manager - Saturday just reiterated that.
There are many people who will never admit they are wrong. They have prob been saying this since 2004. I have said it myself before. I was wrong.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 18, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
Two of the neighbours are Tyrone supporters and they are not fussed on MH and state that there are many in Tyrone who would like rid.
Can I ask anyone from Tyrone here if this has any truth and if so why, because in my opinion we are talking about an absolutely brilliant manager - Saturday just reiterated that.
It's a serious problem in Tyrone, and I suppose every county. I know of highly respected men in terms of their judgement and standing - one of which is a world-renowned Tyronnie in the scientific field - who have absolutely no time for the man and reckon he has simply touched lucky. It's astonishing the resentment people have of those who are successful. Sometimes you're nearly sucked in to that line of thought when things aren't going so well..and then you come out looking foolish.
Mickey is a headstrong and single-minded man. I'd imagine his reluctance to cower to anyone makes him enemies. However, he appears to be successful in all he does.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on August 18, 2008, 11:11:56 AM
AZ I sky plus it and I have a DVD recorder also, overnight then I play the sky + copy and have the DVD set to record at the same time. Its a bit of a pain in the arse but usefull if someone needs a copy. ( I have 4 request already!)
I have the Sky + as well, but I was wondering how to transfer stuff off it. I have a few things I want to keep that I'd like to take off the disc just in case.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 18, 2008, 10:48:10 AM
Wise up and let the best manager the game has ever seen get on with his job and be grateful we have him... >:(
There's absolutley no need to get carried away now - he's a long way to if he's to be considered the best manager the game has ever seen ::)
Mickey Harte was on An Domhnach Mor and just dismissed his detractors very diplomatically.
Well it was a great weekend. Totally surprised by the result. I was hoping for a victory more than expecting. Was glad to see Tyrone getting the two early points as I was dreading Dublin getting of to a flyer and the crowd getting behind them.
Thought the movement from the Tyrone forward line was excellent and a vast improvement on what it had been. McGinley and Holmes got through a mountain of work in Midfield. And the back line looked very composed when under pressure.
I have to say that I was one of the people who had doubts whether or not Davey should be starting. I had just felt that in the Mayo and West meath games that he was a little of the pace and as we're not exactly short of options there, there might have been better options. But I'm glad to say that he surprised me and I was very impressed with his work rate.
I think Alan Brogan going of was a huge loss for Dublin. And after that I think they really struggled to get into the game. Shane Ryan still got through so much work for Dublin but I think he might just lose out on his All star. As stated before the Dublin defence were too far of their men during the game. They couldn't get to grips with the Tyrone forwards at all. And what a finish by Joe. Not bad for a fullback.
Now the unfortunate thing is that I've me bloody holidays booked for the last week in August so need to start trying to look for a good Irish pub in Portugal to watch it!!
I couldnt believe the amount of people who were looking rid of Mickey Harte this past couple of months. People have to understand that you cant win the All Ireland every year and with injuies like Tyrone had in 06 and 07 an All Ireland was probably always going to be out of reach. Harte did a decent job to squeeze an Ulster out of the team last year in difficult circumstances. He has done a wonderful job this year in bringing a team without a top quality scoring forward capable of hitting 1-5 a match to the semi finals. He still has a big job ahead of him though. It will be difficult getting the team to play with the same intensity 2 days running especially after going from heavy underdogs to heavy favourites. Competition for places should help him though. As usual when things are going well the bench looks very strong. All the following players would be pushing for a starting place:
McConnell
McGee
Carlin
PJ Quinn
McCaul
Hughes
Mellon
C Cavanagh
Penrose
Mulligan
Mulgrew
As much as it pains me, I have to say Tyrone were excellent on saturday. They just completely blew the Dubs away. I for one did'nt think they had that type of performace in them & 1 - 15 won their positions all over the field. The Goals were excellent. I must say, I felt very sorry for Dublin, they add a huge amount of color to the championshio every year and certainly did not deserve a 12 point mauling. Best of luck to Pillar.
Kerry will be getting a bit worried by a case of deja vue coming up!!
BTW it shows what a sizeable pack of gombeens there is in Tyrone, the abuse and criticism Micky Harte has had to take in that county (& he is the best manager in ireland, bar none) is ridiclious. Come to Armagh Micky, we'll treat ye better.
Hey lads – just thought I'd bung in my own tuppence worth.
Personally, it was the most disappointing day I've ever had in Croker – and believe you me, there's been a few over 25 years.
The manner of our defeat was the worst thing about it. I don't believe that we are that bad. But a few factors played against us.
The weather doesn't particularly suit our style of play. Alan going off was a big blow. And a lot of our bankers, guys who'll always put it in, no matter how bad things are going, didn't have it on the day. Tactically, we got it wrong on the line. And mentally, again, I'd say we didn't handle the occasion.
But the biggest factor was that we came up against a side that no matter what the tactical system employed, believed in themselves and their ability to execute. Some of the football played was absolutely scintillating – how many times did they work space with a couple of handpasses, followed by a cutting 20 yard foot pass leaving a Tyrone forward with acres in front of him on the half forward line. They were tight in defence, they were fluid in attack and I don't believe many teams could have lived with them.
Puke football is a phrase I have never used about Tyrone. I still rate their 2005 performances as the most complete of any team this decade. I think Dublin's performance still leaves a little bit of a question mark as to whether they are quite at that level yet. I hope that the next two games show that they are.
The Tyrone fans I sat near where passionate and vocal – and magnanimous to us as the game neared its end. I wished them well and that goes to the Tyrone posters on this board as well. But no one I was sitting near was baying for a red for Whelan, just as we weren't going mad for Cavanagh's head. This was a brutal day, poor conditions, with two big, hard men, taking it and dishing it out. That for me is the way football should be played.
Yellows for both seemed about right.
And if it is Ciaran's last game – well perhaps it is a compliment to him that so many outside the county dislike him – for me, he was a footballer who always gave it his all for his county, and gave us far more happy memories than disappointing ones. He's not the first Dublin footballer to end up without an all Ireland medal and won't be the last – but, if he leaves, he'll always be remembered.
Besides, as Ronnie Drew's death, the news of which swept around the stadium, shows it was only a football match that was won and lost and there are more important things in life.
Good luck to Tyrone for the rest of the championship.
Up the Dubs.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on August 18, 2008, 11:41:47 AM
Come to Armagh Micky, we'll treat ye better.
That's not what Stevie McDonnell would say!
;D
Stop with the crap. This is the same shit being spouted all the time and there is little or no fact in it. Some (very few) were questioning his ablility to take Tyrone back to the top after being at the top twice. This is normal in any situation when things look like they are not as good as before. Eveyone in Tyrone knows what he has done for football there and they are all gratful for it. They have a right to question him sometimes. Question him is all they were doing and very few were actually calling for him to quit. A big song and dance about nothing. There was no way he was going to quit and no way he was going to be sacked. It was probabley a romour spread by Harte to generate motivation after winning two AIs. I have heard Cavanagh talk about it but I have no idea why he thinks Tyrone people do not have faith in them. WE do not have blind faith but we do have faith.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on August 18, 2008, 11:41:47 AM
Come to Armagh Micky, we'll treat ye better.
Yeah, Joe's four years were nothing but bliss from fans and supporters.
Quote from: screenexile on August 17, 2008, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 17, 2008, 12:05:28 PM
to answer screenexile- theres no way I'd include Griffin or Cahill on your list of 'not good enough's' !
I'm not having that lb... Maybe I'm being harsh on Griffin but he got taken to the cleaners against us last year and now yeserday too.
I've always argued that there's no real football in Cahill having played against him at Club level a couple of times. He didn't stand out for Brigid's and he doesn't stand out for the Dubs... he wouldn't make many other decent teams in the country is what I'm geting at I suppose. Limited footballer. Having said that if people had never seen Moran at his best they'd be saying the same thing... he was very close to going on my list too as he has done very little for the Dubs in the past few years!
the difference is that while I had a similar appraisal of Cahill when he first featured for the Dubs - more of an athlete than a footballer, he has really come on a lot and is a far more skillful player than he once was (he was always skilled at underage, but seemed to lose this a bit when he went into senior football for a few years). Scored three points in the championship which is a good return for him. However, Dublin should play him at CHB.
Griffin looking poor in a poor full back line. Has always been good in prev years with club and county imo. Just not this year.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 18, 2008, 11:53:43 AM
Stop with the crap. This is the same shit being spouted all the time and there is little or no fact in it. Some (very few) were questioning his ablility to take Tyrone back to the top after being at the top twice. This is normal in any situation when things look like they are not as good as before. Eveyone in Tyrone knows what he has done for football there and they are all gratful for it. They have a right to question him sometimes. Question him is all they were doing and very few were actually calling for him to quit. A big song and dance about nothing. There was no way he was going to quit and no way he was going to be sacked. It was probabley a romour spread by Harte to generate motivation after winning two AIs. I have heard Cavanagh talk about it but I have no idea why he thinks Tyrone people do not have faith in them. WE do not have blind faith but we do have faith.
I think people really doubted whether he had it in him to inspire his troops to a third simply because of the same-voice syndrome, going right back to the minors of 97/98. Even All-Ireland winning managers like Kernan and McGrath hinted at this in recent articles. Much of the county were also beginning to consider this theory as a possibility but Mickey has risen above us all and got Tyrone to an All-Ireland Semi-Final for the third time in his 6 years at the helm. This year's feat has been the most remarkable.
Lads a reality check is in order here.
Tyrone had 15 men on fire (will never happen again as imo it has never happened before) and Dublin had a collective nightmare when everything that could go wrong went wrong.
Also thought Tommy McGuigan , Collie mccullagh and the two mcmahons were immense for Tyrone - imo as deserving of the motm award as Dooher.
I suppose that indicates that it was a real team game - which,lets face it , is what Gaelic football is all about - the best team wins.
well done tyrone, mickey harte - genius.
Dublin really need to be careful about their next managerial appointment
Quote from: Canalman on August 18, 2008, 12:04:59 PM
Lads a reality check is in order here.
Tyrone had 15 men on fire (will never happen again as imo it has never happened before) and Dublin had a collective nightmare when everything that could go wrong went wrong.
I don't think anyone is going overboard. Tyronnies (and others) are simply basking in the glory of a wonderful performance, be it the start of an Indian Summer or a one-off. Give us that pleasure...it has been a wee while.
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2008, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 18, 2008, 12:04:59 PM
Lads a reality check is in order here.
Tyrone had 15 men on fire (will never happen again as imo it has never happened before) and Dublin had a collective nightmare when everything that could go wrong went wrong.
I don't think anyone is going overboard. Tyronnies (and others) are simply basking in the glory of a wonderful performance, be it the start of an Indian Summer or a one-off. Give us that pleasure...it has been a wee while.
And to be honest, given all the injuries and bad luck etc, I think this Tyrone team deserved a wee bit of good luck for a change.
Where was the Tyrone support last Saturday? I reckon Armagh had at least twice as many down the week before for the Wexford game.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 18, 2008, 12:15:46 PM
Where was the Tyrone support last Saturday? I reckon Armagh had at least twice as many down the week before for the Wexford game.
Good man yerself.
We only got 8,000 tickets Tony
Quote from: ziggysego on August 18, 2008, 12:52:33 PM
We only got 8,000 tickets Tony
The 8,000 were sold plus all those who had bought on ticketmaster and went down on the day.
The Dubs didn't come out of the pubs - they were giving the tickets away outside Quinns and Auld triangle.
Quote from: orangeman on August 18, 2008, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 18, 2008, 12:52:33 PM
We only got 8,000 tickets Tony
The 8,000 were sold plus all those who had bought on ticketmaster and went down on the day.
The Dubs didn't come out of the pubs - they were giving the tickets away outside Quinns and Auld triangle.
It was all misleading due to the weaher. Every man in Ireland has blue water proofs.
Twas good to hear the oul Gary Glitter number being belted out with gusto again!
Those opening 10 mins were quite surreal. After the anthem you felt that heat associated with heavy weather, coupled with the fevered crowd and as the ball was thrown up, streaks of lightening shot across the sky which had been already darkened by the Croke Park lights. The sky rumbled loudly like Fearon's gut 30 mins after a big feed. The atmosphere was electric then - it never really reached those heights again apart from just after the Jackeen goal.
A bit of a damp squib alright.I watched it all from the comfort of a premium seat myself.
I think I was beind you Tony before you climbed up the steps. Did you enter at the Cusack side?
Quote from: ziggysego on August 18, 2008, 01:05:57 PM
I think I was beind you Tony before you climbed up the steps. Did you enter at the Cusack side?
Did they open the gates normally used for delivery trucks to accomodate Fearon?
If so, then yes, that was him ziggy ;)
No, went in at the premium entrance at the Hogan. Surely you can't enter the premium section from the Cusack side, although I am aware that there are access doors there,but I thought all Premium ticket holders had to access from the hogan entrance?
PS I had the Dubs for a 3to 6 points win in the Belfast Telegraph pick the score. Thankfully no one else among the challengers selected Tyrone to win hence I maintained the substantial lead ;D
Well there was some bucko with a Armagh top on him....
Wearing my waterproof Gaelic Gear Corke Park raincoat..no Armagh colours, though I did spot the father of an Armagh player in the Premium Section
Right Tony, we get it, you were in the premium section
Quote from: Rav67 on August 18, 2008, 02:19:14 PM
Right Tony, we get it, you were in the premium section
Down amongst the riff raff in the premium section, eh?
I could have lowered him a prawn sandwich down from my corporate box
Don't be ridiculous. You didn't know where I was sitting >:(
Are you in agreement with your ex-manager?
Kernan hails 'magnificent' Tyrone
Joe Kernan
18 August 2008
Armagh legend Joe Kernan was in full praise for Mickey Harte's Tyrone side after their performance against Dublin that saw them gain a 12-point victory over the Leinster Champions.
Kernan, who has had his fair share of battles with Tyrone in recent years as Armagh manager, believed that their was only going to be one winner at Croke Park on Saturday with the way the O'Neill County performed against a lacklustre Dubin side and has suggested that Harte'e men now play with no fear.
"They defend when they have to and they play with no fear when they have the ball," said Kernan.
"There was only one winner from start to finish and Tyrone were magnificent in every aspect and every part of the field. Dublin did not play at all. We know they're good footballers. I don't know where they left it."
The Crossmaglen clubman pointed out that the 2005 All-Ireland Champions had answered a lot of question after their Ulster Championship defeat and under par performances in the qualifiers.
"This was a team that was set for a big game on the day and they certainly showed that. Mickey regrouped the players and they responded. A lot of questions were asked about them, especially after the Down match. Slowly but surely they have been growing in stature."
Quote from: ONeill on August 18, 2008, 03:01:56 PM
Are you in agreement with your ex-manager?
Kernan hails 'magnificent' Tyrone
Joe Kernan
18 August 2008
Armagh legend Joe Kernan was in full praise for Mickey Harte's Tyrone side after their performance against Dublin that saw them gain a 12-point victory over the Leinster Champions.
Kernan, who has had his fair share of battles with Tyrone in recent years as Armagh manager, believed that their was only going to be one winner at Croke Park on Saturday with the way the O'Neill County performed against a lacklustre Dubin side and has suggested that Harte'e men now play with no fear.
"They defend when they have to and they play with no fear when they have the ball," said Kernan.
"There was only one winner from start to finish and Tyrone were magnificent in every aspect and every part of the field. Dublin did not play at all. We know they're good footballers. I don't know where they left it."
The Crossmaglen clubman pointed out that the 2005 All-Ireland Champions had answered a lot of question after their Ulster Championship defeat and under par performances in the qualifiers.
"This was a team that was set for a big game on the day and they certainly showed that. Mickey regrouped the players and they responded. A lot of questions were asked about them, especially after the Down match. Slowly but surely they have been growing in stature."
Who wrote that - they get paid!!!!!?
I have to, but there's no denying the Jekyll and Hyde nature of this Tyorne team, crap against Down, brilliant against Dublin. If they win this year's All Ireland title I will acknowledge the achievement and accord full credit.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 18, 2008, 02:57:03 PM
Don't be ridiculous. You didn't know where I was sitting >:(
You were sitting with your fellow peasants
Peasants sit in the bottoam tier of the Hogan,Cusack Davin. Affluent fans sit in the Premium section, coporate guests with limited or no knowledge of the game are to be found in the Corporate Box section.
PS The last time I was up there Goat's Cheese on toasted Ciabata bread was served, not prawn by the way.
I was on another board reading about the dublin game and I though this was quite funny what a poster put up:
QuoteWas in the Hill 16 after the game, down in the jacks I heard this..
Bloke 1: You hear Ronnie Drew died...
Bloke 2: After watching that shite, Im not surprised!
sums it up for me.....but atleast we can laugh about it ( the match that is, RIP Ronnie)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 18, 2008, 11:34:30 AM
I couldnt believe the amount of people who were looking rid of Mickey Harte this past couple of months. People have to understand that you cant win the All Ireland every year and with injuies like Tyrone had in 06 and 07 an All Ireland was probably always going to be out of reach. Harte did a decent job to squeeze an Ulster out of the team last year in difficult circumstances.
We all know a few of these Anti - Mickey Harte types. They've been around since the whispers of him getting the job in the first place began to circulate. When he won in 03, a few of them changed their tunes, but after the highs of 05 and then the lows of 06, they found their voice again.
Like Paudi said in Kerry - many "supporters" are f**king animals, with a belief that they have a god given right to watch a winning team every day it goes out to play. Unfortunately this mindset gained a stronger hold when the county experienced some success. Some people genuinely believe that 2 AI championships is a poor return for this team, and that MH was at fault for failures in 06, and 07. The reality is that unless you are Kerry, it really is a tough thing to win the AI. Even the best team in the country needs a little rub of the green now and then. I believe that 2 AI championships is a poor return for this team - but through no fault of MHs - realistically what team could survive the trials and tribulations that have befallen these boys since early 04, with the passing of our captain and leader? What teams could lose players of the calibre of Peter the great, Ger Calvan, Stephen O'Neill and the freakish nature of Brian McGuigan. Not to mention innopportune injuries to players far from the periphery like Joe McMahon, Phillip Jordan and now Mulligan. These for me are the reasons that Tyrone stuttured understandably in 04, and to these supporters calling for MHs head, why they fell in the 06 and 07 seasons.
MH appears to have this team motivated for themselves and each other, and when that happens to players of the calibre in that Tyrone panel, it presents a monumental challenge to anyone who may stand in their way.
I sure hope this is the case.
I think all this stuff about Tyrone fans trying to force Mickey out is overstated. If you look at the Derry - Tyrone thread from April which somebody brought up to the top of the board you will see O' Neill pointing out that despite plenty of Tyrone fans raising doubts over the state of the team only one person claimed the manager should step down.
Id also say its a bit unfair to say Tyrone fans are making too much of Saturday, after all we've had 3 very frustating years where injury after injury has decimated the best panel we've ever had. At the same time Id doubt many Tyrone fans will be getting carried away. We had a similar (maybe not quite as good) brilliant performance out of nothing against Donegal last summer then failed to reach the same heights later in the championship. Time will tell if Saturday was the last hurrah from a great team or can they maintain those levels until September. In the meantime I think we're well entitled to enjoy the fallout from Saturday...how often does your team beat the Dubs 3-14 to 1-8 in Croke Park??
Quote from: easytiger on August 18, 2008, 11:45:53 AM
Hey lads – just thought I'd bung in my own tuppence worth.
Personally, it was the most disappointing day I've ever had in Croker – and believe you me, there's been a few over 25 years.
The manner of our defeat was the worst thing about it. I don't believe that we are that bad. But a few factors played against us.
The weather doesn't particularly suit our style of play. Alan going off was a big blow. And a lot of our bankers, guys who'll always put it in, no matter how bad things are going, didn't have it on the day. Tactically, we got it wrong on the line. And mentally, again, I'd say we didn't handle the occasion.
But the biggest factor was that we came up against a side that no matter what the tactical system employed, believed in themselves and their ability to execute. Some of the football played was absolutely scintillating – how many times did they work space with a couple of handpasses, followed by a cutting 20 yard foot pass leaving a Tyrone forward with acres in front of him on the half forward line. They were tight in defence, they were fluid in attack and I don't believe many teams could have lived with them.
Puke football is a phrase I have never used about Tyrone. I still rate their 2005 performances as the most complete of any team this decade. I think Dublin's performance still leaves a little bit of a question mark as to whether they are quite at that level yet. I hope that the next two games show that they are.
The Tyrone fans I sat near where passionate and vocal – and magnanimous to us as the game neared its end. I wished them well and that goes to the Tyrone posters on this board as well. But no one I was sitting near was baying for a red for Whelan, just as we weren't going mad for Cavanagh's head. This was a brutal day, poor conditions, with two big, hard men, taking it and dishing it out. That for me is the way football should be played.
Yellows for both seemed about right.
And if it is Ciaran's last game – well perhaps it is a compliment to him that so many outside the county dislike him – for me, he was a footballer who always gave it his all for his county, and gave us far more happy memories than disappointing ones. He's not the first Dublin footballer to end up without an all Ireland medal and won't be the last – but, if he leaves, he'll always be remembered.
Besides, as Ronnie Drew's death, the news of which swept around the stadium, shows it was only a football match that was won and lost and there are more important things in life.
Good luck to Tyrone for the rest of the championship.
Up the Dubs.
great post :)
For a laugh
Quote from: Rav67 on August 18, 2008, 02:19:14 PM
Right Tony, we get it, you were in the premium section
;D
Tyrone were simply awesome, although the Dubs didn't turn up. However, on this form, Kerry v Tyrone will make for one hell of an All Ireland final (no disrespect intended to Wexford and Cork)
Depends on which Tyrone team turns up. The one that played Dublin on Saturday, or the one that couldn't beat Down after two games and extra time, that struggled profusely against Mayo and Westmeath etc.Unfortunately I feel Saturday was a flash in the pan, and Tyrone will not face a defence as incompetent or a team as disjointed from here on in.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 18, 2008, 03:04:18 PM
I have to, but there's no denying the Jekyll and Hyde nature of this Tyorne team, crap against Down, brilliant against Dublin. If they win this year's All Ireland title I will acknowledge the achievement and accord full credit.
Cough... Splutter .... cough ... nurse.... NURSE!!!!!!
The most galling statistic for Dublin stretches back to 2001 and the inception of the quarter- finals. In that time they have never once beaten Kerry, Armagh or Tyrone when it mattered and, seven times out of eight, have fallen on the sword of one of those three.
Perhaps that says it all now.
Taken from Indo
Well what can I say. One of the great red hand days in Croke Park. Credit to Mickey who has brought a team within shooting distance again - his unswerthing conviction in players who were below par all year has been rewarded emphatically. Credit also the best team performance I have seen since 2005. I must also say well done to Davy Harte - a man who has had some poor performances this years but he rose to the challenge in Croke Park in style. Its a case of improving and maintaining that performance. I dont know if it would beat Kerry bbut it would certainloy challenge the best.
QuoteI dont know if it would beat Kerry bbut it would certainloy challenge the best.
If it doesn't beat them, it will come pretty damn close.
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Yes, that was a 4-point turnaround in 60 secs. Instead of 1-2 to 0-2 to the Jacks, it was 0-3 to 0-2 in Tyrone's favour.
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Similarly the Joe McMahon goal came at a crucial time just after the Dubs had got their goal and brought the margin back to 3 points. Must have been a real blow for them to concede again straight after. In fairness as well that Dublin chance Tyrone should also have got an earlier goal when Tommy went through on Cluxton.
Im getting a bit worried about DUBSFORSAM1...he seemed to be a frequent poster on Tyrone threads up until Saturday and was sure the Red Hands were to be given an education in how the game should be played. He hasnt been seen since, I hope he's ok :'(.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 19, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Similarly the Joe McMahon goal came at a crucial time just after the Dubs had got their goal and brought the margin back to 3 points. Must have been a real blow for them to concede again straight after. In fairness as well that Dublin chance Tyrone should also have got an earlier goal when Tommy went through on Cluxton.
Im getting a bit worried about DUBSFORSAM1...he seemed to be a frequent poster on Tyrone threads up until Saturday and was sure the Red Hands were to be given an education in how the game should be played. He hasnt been seen since, I hope he's ok :'(.
:D ;D
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 19, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Similarly the Joe McMahon goal came at a crucial time just after the Dubs had got their goal and brought the margin back to 3 points. Must have been a real blow for them to concede again straight after. In fairness as well that Dublin chance Tyrone should also have got an earlier goal when Tommy went through on Cluxton.
Im getting a bit worried about DUBSFORSAM1...he seemed to be a frequent poster on Tyrone threads up until Saturday and was sure the Red Hands were to be given an education in how the game should be played. He hasnt been seen since, I hope he's ok :'(.
I think you have to stay at lest a week in the mental so that they can run all the tests ! ;) :D :D
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 19, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Similarly the Joe McMahon goal came at a crucial time just after the Dubs had got their goal and brought the margin back to 3 points. Must have been a real blow for them to concede again straight after. In fairness as well that Dublin chance Tyrone should also have got an earlier goal when Tommy went through on Cluxton.
Im getting a bit worried about DUBSFORSAM1...he seemed to be a frequent poster on Tyrone threads up until Saturday and was sure the Red Hands were to be given an education in how the game should be played. He hasnt been seen since, I hope he's ok :'(.
I wonder what effect it would have had on things if the ref ha penalised Cavanagh for taking 10/11 steps before he fired in his goal?????
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 19, 2008, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 19, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Similarly the Joe McMahon goal came at a crucial time just after the Dubs had got their goal and brought the margin back to 3 points. Must have been a real blow for them to concede again straight after. In fairness as well that Dublin chance Tyrone should also have got an earlier goal when Tommy went through on Cluxton.
Im getting a bit worried about DUBSFORSAM1...he seemed to be a frequent poster on Tyrone threads up until Saturday and was sure the Red Hands were to be given an education in how the game should be played. He hasnt been seen since, I hope he's ok :'(.
I wonder what effect it would have had on things if the ref ha penalised Cavanagh for taking 10/11 steps before he fired in his goal?????
Mc Stay made a complete meal of this in commentary, and even after a clear replay still chose to disregard the foul by Mc Connell.
Referee made a good call in letting the play continue!
Well he could have blown it up for the pulling of Canvanagh's shirt first which was outside the box and given a free in. That would have been before the extra steps. But it's just splitting hairs tbh as I think Tyrone were just alot better on the day.
There's so much I could say about this match and when I'm less busy I might get a chance but there's one thing I will say now and that is Fair play to Davey indeed for taking that goal
I'm not one of his biggest fans and thought defensively he wasn't great again but my God he was determined to go for his goal and he still had to beat 2 men who cauight up with him and then that finish was so confidently struck you just knew he was happy to ram their words down the throats of his detractors which includes myself.
I had to struggle to get the Tyrone crowd behind me to start singing but it was well worth the effort
I emailed a lot of aul Dub pals yesterday something like this
Charlie Haughey
Bertie Ahern
Mary Robinson
Niall Quinn
Kevin Moran
Your boys took one hell of a beating
I too was getting really annoyed with McStay when I watched it again on Sunday. He's very biased as was obvious from the start he was well up for the Dubs
Then on the Sunday game he firstly admitted to tipping them for the AI but now they got hammered he said they've made no porgress since 05.
Muppet
QuoteCharlie Haughey
Bertie Ahern
Mary Robinson
Isn't Mary Robinson from Mayo?
The game just started on setanta ireland now
Stats sections in GAA articles are generally poor. But the new people the Irish News have doing theirs are good I think. The kick-out summary was interesting to me, total of 62% won by Dublin, but breaking it down, on Dublin's kickout Tyrone were close to 50.50, but on their own Tyrone only won 5 and Dublin 14. Does this not suggest a problem?
Just noticed http://www.justin.tv/nern/199797/LIVE_GAA_All_Ireland_Senior_Football_Qua does a play-back
Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2008, 09:06:55 PM
Just noticed http://www.justin.tv/nern/199797/LIVE_GAA_All_Ireland_Senior_Football_Qua does a play-back
Cut off at half time on me last night.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 19, 2008, 05:00:56 PM
QuoteCharlie Haughey
Bertie Ahern
Mary Robinson
Isn't Mary Robinson from Mayo?
Yes she is, she is from Ballina,County Mayo, she also had a house in Pontoon half-way beteen Castlebar & Ballina when she was president.
Also despite how much I hate to admit it but C.Haughey was born in Castlebar, County Mayo.
Was thinking that it is really rare to have no scoreable frees to take until the game is over? Did this suit TMcC and CMcC, both were brilliant from play, was this due to not having the added pressure of having to score frees, which they can both miss a few at times?
Beard off today. Herself won. Job done anyway.
Yeah my beard is gone now too though I do have an interview tomrrow and lads at work thought I looked like a Hobo
Some good pics on the BBC website like this one below
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44930000/jpg/_44930793_tyronedub3.jpg)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/photo_galleries/7565994.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/photo_galleries/7565994.stm)
I cut out all the match reports from Sunday and Monday to show the young fella in 20 years time when he's coming back from the Hill disappointed again and I'll be saying
Well you did chose the Dubs over the Red hand Defenders Son
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 19, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
Watched the game last night again - Tyrone were awesome - The Dubs just didn't know what had hit them.
Had Dublin scored the goal chance early on, when Thomas Quinn gave a bad ball across to Dermot Conolly, the outcome might have been different. As it was, 1- 5 to 0-2 after 25 minutes, it was effectively game over.
Similarly the Joe McMahon goal came at a crucial time just after the Dubs had got their goal and brought the margin back to 3 points. Must have been a real blow for them to concede again straight after. In fairness as well that Dublin chance Tyrone should also have got an earlier goal when Tommy went through on Cluxton.
Im getting a bit worried about DUBSFORSAM1...he seemed to be a frequent poster on Tyrone threads up until Saturday and was sure the Red Hands were to be given an education in how the game should be played. He hasnt been seen since, I hope he's ok :'(.
I see he's appeared on resdubs spouting shite about Cavanaghs goal being illegal. 3 years he's been on here telling us how Mugsy's goal was illegal now we are going to listen to the same shite for the next 3 years. Its times like this ye wish big Sean had missed. What a f*****g anorak he is.
I see TV3 made a big deal about the steps last night - slowed it down (think there were nine steps) had the sound down but I would guess they didn't mention McConnell tugging at him.
Quote from: corn02 on August 22, 2008, 12:42:34 PM
I see TV3 made a big deal about the steps last night - slowed it down (think there were nine steps) had the sound down but I would guess they didn't mention McConnell tugging at him.
Had a Dub in the pub last night complaining about that. I asked him did he really want to get into to that non issue, he said "yes, it was a big issue". I said "Charlie Redmond". He paused for a bit and said "ach sure that was in the past" I just chuckled at him ;D
We were lucky in 2005 against Dublin, lucky in the game under lights and lucky again last week - I hope we're lucky against Wexford too ! ;)
Published - Fri, Aug 22, 2008
Hail the great guru Harte
By Joe Brolly
YOU couldn't describe last Saturday's affair as a match. It was a Dublin collapse, a brilliant display by Tyrone, or partly both, but it was certainly not a match. I said before the game that Dublin needed a good start to quell the anxiety in their ranks and bring calm to the Hill. In the first quarter, they created the opportunities to build a solid lead, but didn't take them.
Dublin won seven of the first eight kickouts, but Jason Sherlock, Tomas Quinn, Bernard Brogan and Ciaran Whelan posted four bad wides in succession, and Alan Brogan hit the post from fourteen yards. By the ninth minute the score should have been 0-5 to 0-1 for the Dubs. As it was, it was 0-0 to 0-1 in favour of Tyrone, and Dublin stomachs were starting to churn.
With the score at 0-2 to 0-2, the Dubs botched a great goal chance, because Tomas Quinn dithered, took the wrong option, and gave a terrible handpass. He should either have given the handpass quickly, or carried on, using Diarmuid Connolly to dummy Justin McMahon, and slip it in the net. Justin must take a lot of credit for his role in this vital moment. Faced with an onrushing forward and another inside, he immediately started to back away towards his goals. This in turn put Tomas in two minds. Because Justin backed off, Diarmuid Connolly ran too close to the goalie, and by the time the pass was given it was too late. Kudos to Justin, who played impeccably throughout.
This was the crucial period of the game. Dublin could easily have been 1-5 to 0-2 in front (watch the video) and flying. Instead, by the 25th minute, it was 1-5 to 0-2 for Tyrone, and the water was warm in Dublin's nightmare.
Their game is a primitive one, based on power and hard-running. Against Wexford, they were able to barge their way through the defence on long solo runs. This somewhat unsubtle approach was food and drink to Tyrone's meticulously crafted defensive strategy.
I must confess to feelings of enjoyment watching Joe McMahon and Brian Dooher doubling up on the Dublin full forwards, then kicking cross-field balls and timing their runs forward to join the Tyrone attack. Paul Caffrey's decision not to assign a man-marker to these two was a disaster, and although we gave the Man of the Match to Brian, in truth, both men were equally influential for Tyrone.
Joe's performance was terrific. His tackling work was top notch. His winning and use of possession was expert, his finishing immaculate. Importantly, he plays with a sense of fun, and it is easy to admire him. The beard makes him look like the baddie in a Clint Eastwood western, you know the ones that get shot early on, and then Clint spits tobacco on their corpse.
I have heard and read a lot of speculation during the week about the Tyrone beards, from dressing room pacts to fashion choices, but isn't it clear what is happening? The boys are slowly turning into Mickey Harte, the inevitable consequence of living life under the eye of the great Guru.
In due course, a religion will be founded, and he and his followers will retreat to a purpose built compound in West Tyrone, where they will bring tactical and strategic work on the football field to even greater heights, and all will live there in contentment, the only outside interference being weekly deliveries of groceries from WJ Dolan, and a six pack for Mugsy. All Tyrone footballers will live there from the ages of eighteen to thirty three, and when they retire, they will stay on and coach the younger generation in the true path of the Harte.
The contrast in the teams' styles was perfectly summed up in a three-minute spell during the third quarter of the game. In the 49th minute, Diarmuid Connolly soloed towards goal and Ryan McMenamin kept him on the sideline, waited for the cavalry, then stripped him clean. Paul Caffrey could take no more, and as Diarmuid trudged to the bench, Tyrone swept upfield, the ball pinging from white shirt to white shirt with absolute precision before Davy Harte stepped inside his man and calmly picked his spot.
Sixty seconds later, Tomas Quinn got a glimpse of goal but was swallowed up by six Tyrone men, like rats on a dead dog.
It was an immaculate Tyrone performance combining defensive meanness with precision attacks. Their movement, both of themselves and the ball, mesmerised the Dubs, even Shane Ryan looking leaden-legged.
In truth it was sad to watch them toiling against such a skilled opponent and it is clear that this group will never win an All-Ireland. Their kicking of long passes into the space was a serious error on such a slippy surface. On eight occasions in the first half, a Dubliner kicked the ball over the side or end-line. Meanwhile, Tyrone found their man with precise, soft footpassing.
A good example of this was their first point. It started with Ryan McMenamin in the full back line. Twelve unbroken passes later, Tommy McGuigan scored from the 21 yard line. Another important feature of Tyrone's method is the way they create good scoring opportunities in the scoring zone. All their scores were from good positions.
There were many examples of Tyrone's craft and ability in attack, but the best was their second killer goal. When Tommy McGuigan gathered the ball at the corner flag it looked to be a most unpromising situation, but like all Tyrone men, he was constantly scanning his options. When Joe McMahon backed off his man towards the far post, McGuigan instantly delivered a sublime pass and McMahon, in another theme running through their performance, calmly picked his spot. Enda McGinley had run into the space up the central channel when he saw Tommy McGuigan taking possession. When Tommy jockeyed from left to right, Enda saw Joe McMahon making the run into the area in front of goal, so immediately took off straight towards Tommy, bringing his man with him. Joe was clear, the pass was given, goal. Simple and beautiful. The team, not the individual.
From start to finish, a Tyrone team that must surely be below their 2005 mark were nonetheless at a different level. Alan Brogan's early injury didn't help Dublin much but it is impossible to conclude that it would have made any difference.
Tyrone had a bit of fun in the last quarter, which will be a bit of a worry for the Great Guru Harte. He would have preferred to scramble through this game, remaining under the radar as long as possible. But not even Mickey can keep things under control to that extent.
Dublin chased shadows last weekend and Tyrone's humiliation of a good Dublin team has raised the ante. Pat O'Shea's interest has been excited and Kerry will now be focused on the white shirts.
Somebody said to me afterwards that Tyrone had rolled back the years, but do not forget that nearly all of them are in their mid-20s save for Brian Dooher. Brian is 32 human years old but that is obviously meaningless given his reality-defying performance. He came off to a massive, wholehearted ovation to be replaced by Owen Mulligan (remember him?) who looked like a man arriving at Croke Park from a heavy night out at Stringfellows.
Perhaps this will be Tyrone's high point but I doubt it. Kerry will get their chance for vengeance after all, but who will bet against this elite Tyrone team and their extraordinary coach?
Great article and one thing he mentioned that was constantly in the media this week was the old line 'Tyrone rolled back the years' as if they were a team of veterans on one last hurrahh. As Brolly said, Dooher was the only 'verteran' playing for Tyrone on Saturday, and I suppose Collie Holmes aswell although he doesn't feature too often, which is surprising given his performance aswell.
Whether he took too many steps or not, who gives a f**k!!
Its not like that was the deciding score ::)
Theres too many of my fellow Dubs wanting to blame the ref, the weather etc rather than look at the manager and the team. Reality check needed for many Dubs still.
Next August will be the next reality check !
Typical Brolly piece. Has some valid points which he bluffs out with his usual "zany" outlook.
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2008, 02:07:43 PM
Next August will be the next reality check !
If we keep blaming everyone but ourselves, then yes.
That said, the players arent blaming anyone else, just the odd eegit on interner forums.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 22, 2008, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2008, 02:07:43 PM
Next August will be the next reality check !
If we keep blaming everyone but ourselves, then yes.
That said, the players arent blaming anyone else, just the odd eegit on interner forums.
Thats a bit of a harsh punishment for losing a match...
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 22, 2008, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 22, 2008, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2008, 02:07:43 PM
Next August will be the next reality check !
If we keep blaming everyone but ourselves, then yes.
That said, the players arent blaming anyone else, just the odd eegit on interner forums.
Thats a bit of a harsh punishment for losing a match...
Maybe if the Guards had interned a few of your lot last Saturday, we'd a had a chance ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2008, 01:58:59 PM
Great article and one thing he mentioned that was constantly in the media this week was the old line 'Tyrone rolled back the years' as if they were a team of veterans on one last hurrahh. As Brolly said, Dooher was the only 'verteran' playing for Tyrone on Saturday, and I suppose Collie Holmes aswell although he doesn't feature too often, which is surprising given his performance aswell.
True enough but the 97/98 minor lads are all 27/28 now and have a lot of miles on the clock as well. Given the frustrating years Tyrone have endured since 2005 I think the phrase "rolling back the years" is fair enough, lets be honest it was a huge performance that pretty much nobody expected. I would also say those frustrating years will be great motivation for Tyrone at this stage, they must have felt in 2005 that they would be competing for Sam again in 2006 and 2007 but instead were hit by those massive injury problems. You never know whats in front of you and for a lot of the lads this could be their last chance at winning an All-Ireland.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 22, 2008, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2008, 01:58:59 PM
Great article and one thing he mentioned that was constantly in the media this week was the old line 'Tyrone rolled back the years' as if they were a team of veterans on one last hurrahh. As Brolly said, Dooher was the only 'verteran' playing for Tyrone on Saturday, and I suppose Collie Holmes aswell although he doesn't feature too often, which is surprising given his performance aswell.
True enough but the 97/98 minor lads are all 27/28 now and have a lot of miles on the clock as well. Given the frustrating years Tyrone have endured since 2005 I think the phrase "rolling back the years" is fair enough, lets be honest it was a huge performance that pretty much nobody expected. I would also say those frustrating years will be great motivation for Tyrone at this stage, they must have felt in 2005 that they would be competing for Sam again in 2006 and 2007 but instead were hit by those massive injury problems. You never know whats in front of you and for a lot of the lads this could be their last chance at winning an All-Ireland.
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Absolutely true - so enjoy the moment while it lasts !
That was at least a fun article to read by Brolly - nice to see him highlighting Joey - who was my man of the match....after Dooher.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 22, 2008, 05:25:04 PM
That was at least a fun article to read by Brolly - nice to see him highlighting Joey - who was my man of the match....after Dooher.
Along with Enda, Big Joe is probably our most underrated player (according to the so-called pundits) but the supporters know different
Quote from: red hander on August 22, 2008, 06:08:34 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 22, 2008, 05:25:04 PM
That was at least a fun article to read by Brolly - nice to see him highlighting Joey - who was my man of the match....after Dooher.
Along with Enda, Big Joe is probably our most underrated player (according to the so-called pundits) but the supporters know different
It's probably more that we haven't seen too much of him in recent years.
Quote from: orangeman on August 22, 2008, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: red hander on August 22, 2008, 06:08:34 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 22, 2008, 05:25:04 PM
That was at least a fun article to read by Brolly - nice to see him highlighting Joey - who was my man of the match....after Dooher.
Along with Enda, Big Joe is probably our most underrated player (according to the so-called pundits) but the supporters know different
It's probably more that we haven't seen too much of him in recent years.
True, man of the match in the 2005 semi IMO and playing a blinder until he went off injured in the final
Knowing Joe's best position is some conundrum. I think he was first used as a wing half back, then full back, then midfield and now in the forward division - Mr Utility.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 22, 2008, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 22, 2008, 12:42:34 PM
I see TV3 made a big deal about the steps last night - slowed it down (think there were nine steps) had the sound down but I would guess they didn't mention McConnell tugging at him.
Had a Dub in the pub last night complaining about that. I asked him did he really want to get into to that non issue, he said "yes, it was a big issue". I said "Charlie Redmond". He paused for a bit and said "ach sure that was in the past" I just chuckled at him ;D
The referee, Aidan Mangan, used a bit of nous and common sense, and played advantage -- Mc Connell was hanging off him, and therefore he couldn't solo or bounce the bleedin' ball! Strewth! Would some folk get a life. Well done referee (though they probably hanged him for it when he returned to Tralee).
I actually think the ref slightly favoured us in terms of what he termed as acceptable on the day. He received fierce criticism last year after the Dublin/Derry game in that he favoured Dublin. Everything went our way.
I think it more of a case of us profiting more from his (eminently sensible) adjustment to the conditiions -- doubtless he let a lot go, but we had a whole lot more of the play where those decisions were given the benefit of the doubt. I thought we were penalised harshly in the first quarter, but he copped on from there ;)
Harder working teams usually get the rub of the green and that's the way it should be. Tyrone's biggest challenge now is exerting the same effort when favourite!
possibly the most ridiculous comment i've read on this website an absolutely laughable suggestion.
I honestly thought that Caffrey was gobsmacked along the line throughout the game, unable to take in what was unfolding in front of him.
Looking like our Ladies are picking up from where our lads left off: Half-time in the Ladies and Tyrone ahead of Dublin by 2-04 to 0-03.
Oh dear, more adversity for Dublin at the hands of the Red Hands ;)
Result: Tyrone Ladies win by 2-12 to 1-09, with Dublin scoring a goal on the death to add a degree of respectability to the final score.
your minor ladies didnt fare so well against the dubs :)
Quote from: An Laoch on August 23, 2008, 05:37:48 PM
your minor ladies didnt fare so well against the dubs :)
We're not all about adversity you know, we do have some pity ;)
Congratulations to the Tyrone Ladies for continuing the proud tradition of hammering Dub ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2008, 02:41:20 PM
If Stephen was to return it'd be very unfair on the present panel and completely counter-productive. That's why it's a complete non-starter and I'll run naked from Drumcondra to the Carrickdale if something like that happened. Anyway I saw him this morning boarding a plane to South Ossetia.
Were we treated to this unique pleasure after all Shane??
That was for the quarter final.
Quote from: heffo on July 30, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2008, 02:41:20 PM
If Stephen was to return it'd be very unfair on the present panel and completely counter-productive. That's why it's a complete non-starter and I'll run naked from Drumcondra to the Carrickdale if something like that happened. Anyway I saw him this morning boarding a plane to South Ossetia.
Were we treated to this unique pleasure after all Shane??
He still owes us a run in the buff from Ardboe to Sion Mills too for Cavanagh the Elder's move to full forward. Seem like a fetish with him, often fantasised about, though unfulfilled (so far).
I already did that one. Ran it whilst everyone was inside watching the Iris Robinson programme.