A fairly random one that came up over a foaming ale in D3.
Kilkenny as we know are allowed not field in football. With the ladies merging will the ladies football team be nixed? Will they run 3 out of 4?
Also nobody knew exactly why KK are allowed not field a football team. Anyone remember?
Kilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
Quote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
Cause they don't have too?
Why do people get wound up so much by 2 counties disrespecting football, over half of them disrespect hurling and very little said about it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2026, 09:02:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
Cause they don't have too?
But why don't they have to?
Why can't Mayo or Kerry withdraw from hurling and spend all their money on football?
Quote from: Brendan on June 06, 2026, 09:04:17 PMWhy do people get wound up so much by 2 counties disrespecting football, over half of them disrespect hurling and very little said about it
Disrespect is one thing. Not fielding is another.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 09:06:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2026, 09:02:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
Cause they don't have too?
But why don't they have to?
Why can't Mayo or Kerry withdraw from hurling and spend all their money on football?
Maybe they don't want to? I thought a few teams were going to pull the plug in hurling the other year but I don't think it materialised.
In fact the Gaa proposed pulling a number of hurling teams out of the hurling league the other year but I think there was uproar.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 09:06:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2026, 09:02:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
Cause they don't have too?
But why don't they have to?
Why can't Mayo or Kerry withdraw from hurling and spend all their money on football?
They could if they wanted.. why the annoyance?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2026, 09:41:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 09:06:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2026, 09:02:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
Cause they don't have too?
But why don't they have to?
Why can't Mayo or Kerry withdraw from hurling and spend all their money on football?
They could if they wanted.. why the annoyance?
No they can't
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 09:48:56 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2026, 09:41:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 09:06:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2026, 09:02:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
Cause they don't have too?
But why don't they have to?
Why can't Mayo or Kerry withdraw from hurling and spend all their money on football?
They could if they wanted.. why the annoyance?
No they can't
Is there a ruling on this?
Cavan pulled out of county hurling a few years ago.
Quote from: ardtole on June 07, 2026, 07:34:08 AMCavan pulled out of county hurling a few years ago.
Couldn't have! As bb2 said it's impossible, he's busy looking for the rule though, should be back soon
I jest
Some counties just don't have the commitment, numbers or the stomach to fight to improve on their lesser code.
it's a shame, as a committed dual player (back in the day) I hated, hated probably too strong, but got annoyed at players opting out of one code to stick with their more chance to win silverware code, I can understand why with regards to time effort and their own choice of favourite code, but niggled at me anyways..
Counties should have that commitment to develop the lesser code and raise the standards, but if there is no 'ruling' stating they have to then they either pay lip service to it ( like the multiple counties do for hurling) or not bother like Kilkenny do for football
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 06, 2026, 08:57:02 PMQuote from: delgany on June 06, 2026, 08:43:51 PMKilkenny play in the all reland junior championship in August each year
With British teams. And get whipped day one and out.
They don't enter the league or championship.
Why not?
They've actually reached a couple of finals in relatively recent times. They did field in the league in the past, certainly during Nicky Brennan's tenure as president, but the simple fact was that there was no team at a level that could allow them to have a competitive game, so withdrew, without much protest from anyone else.
It's an amateur game, if players aren't willing to put themselves forward for 7 successive humiliations each season, we can't force them. The status quo whereby they compete in the junior and their club champions play in the Leinster junior is accepted at this point.
Kk have also won the junior too. Mayo and Kerry bad examples as there are hurling mad areas in those counties.
Are Mullinavat not a decent football team? Well, at junior level anyway.
Before Kilkenny withdrew they were just going through the motions and getting repeated hammerings.
The majority of clubs in Kilkenny did not want to dilute their commitment to hurling by fielding football teams.
And there was only a handful of clubs where football was the predominant code.
GAA officialdom in Kilkenny obviously do not want to promote Gaelic football.
If there was a will there would be a way. There is no reason why Kilkenny could not be competitive at Division 4 level at the very least.
It is a moot point whether or not they should be obliged to give proper commitment to football.
The way the owl hurling is going at the minute they could be as well giving the big ball a go ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 08:09:11 AMQuote from: ardtole on June 07, 2026, 07:34:08 AMCavan pulled out of county hurling a few years ago.
Couldn't have! As bb2 said it's impossible, he's busy looking for the rule though, should be back soon
I jest
Some counties just don't have the commitment, numbers or the stomach to fight to improve on their lesser code.
it's a shame, as a committed dual player (back in the day) I hated, hated probably too strong, but got annoyed at players opting out of one code to stick with their more chance to win silverware code, I can understand why with regards to time effort and their own choice of favourite code, but niggled at me anyways..
Counties should have that commitment to develop the lesser code and raise the standards, but if there is no 'ruling' stating they have to then they either pay lip service to it ( like the multiple counties do for hurling) or not bother like Kilkenny do for football
Yeah its a shame the day of the dual player at county level is gone, likes of Con O'Callaghan and Connolly in Dublin fine hurlers, same with is it Rogers and McKagiue in Derry probably a few more up there as well. Jarly Og in Armagh is a decent hurler, would probably have been capable of playing at a high enough level if he'd committed to it rather than football.
Ultimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
I'm in two minds on the Kilkenny football issue.
On the one hand all counties have a certain autonomy but this this give them the right to neglect one code ?
Some counties have (or had) separate County Boards for football and hurling.
Kilkenny's neighbors Wexford are a classic example of a competitive dual county.
In the early years of the GAA both counties were successful in football.
Wexford hurlers enjoyed great success in the 1950s and football took more of a back seat since.
Were Wexford to concentrate all their resources on hurling they would probably enjoy much more success.
As other posters have mentioned it is a great pity that dual players are a rarity nowadays.
Many Kilkenny hurlers down the years were very decent footballers and make the county team in a football county.
The often mentioned idea of proper Senior, Intermediate and Junior Senior Football Championships is one answer.
At the moment the Junior Championship is just a tick the box exercise for the GAA.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They can though. What makes you say they can't?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
The reality is though, they are fielding a team (in the Junior Championship). It is just at a level of irrelevance (and lack of visibility) that means people believe there is no team. In the 2007 Tommy Murphy Cup there was an incident where they scored 1 goal in a game against Antrim. One goal and nothing else. Other games where they scored a couple of points or went practically scoreless.
The claim that SOME other counties treat hurling in the way KK treat football is dubious at very best. Kilkenny are worse at football than any other county is at hurling. There may have been a time that was not true, but its is no longer the case. It is a disgrace. But KK do, at the same time, a lot of heavy lifting for hurling. The culture there is extraordinary, and it is a total focus on a sport that they have produced greats from. This is against counties whose hurling is poor, but their football ain't great either (duel counties who are poor at both).
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
Talented Gaelic footballers are as likely to emerge in Kilkenny as in any other county given the opportunity.
There should be enough at any time to sustain a senior team that would be competitive in Division 4.
Their neighbors Waterford are predominantly a hurling county but they do put a decent effort into Gaelic Football.
If memory serves me right there was an incident towards the end of Kilkenny's last NFL campaign where the bus driver had to be roped in to make up the fifteen. Where there is a will there is a way and equally the opposite.
More people being offended ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 05:21:26 PMMore people being offended ;D
Silly comment - who is offended ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 05:21:26 PMMore people being offended ;D
Who is?
Feel free to actually contribute something
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2026, 04:17:40 PMThey can though. What makes you say they can't?
We're Cavan not stopped from dropping hurling?
Quote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:48:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2026, 04:17:40 PMThey can though. What makes you say they can't?
We're Cavan not stopped from dropping hurling?
No, they came out for five years. But there was a plan regarding focussing on underage level and building on a county infrastructure that hardly have enough players to fill two panels (and persumably that included players who management couldnt consider as viable options as inter-county hurlers. They returned in 2017 and have won one National league Title and came runner-up in a Lory Meagher final. So in effect they made good on their original plan when withdrawing.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:47:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 05:21:26 PMMore people being offended ;D
Who is?
Feel free to actually contribute something
You're offended, you started a thread asking reasons why Kilkenny don't field football and offended that they give all their funds to hurling and that's unfair to the likes of other teams you mentioned.
You claimed they (other football counties) couldn't do the same, asked you for the ruling on it and still waiting
You're offended
Ps, I did contribute
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:47:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 05:21:26 PMMore people being offended ;D
Who is?
Feel free to actually contribute something
You're offended, you started a thread asking reasons why Kilkenny don't field football and offended that they give all their funds to hurling and that's unfair to the likes of other teams you mentioned.
You claimed they (other football counties) couldn't do the same, asked you for the ruling on it and still waiting
You're offended
Ps, I did contribute
You are a very strange man. I don't think the word offended means what you think it means.
I literally asked why they get away with this, if I had the ruling I wouldn't need to have asked, would I?
Baile Brigín 2 - don't be minding that Milltown fella. It's a quite interesting discussion otherwise.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
Listen forgive my rants, bb2 is no more interested in the GAA than the man in the moon..
Multiple posts on GAA bashing, this is another one, tiresome
Quote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 08:22:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
So because the culture was shite and the county board weren't arsed putting a decent manager in, they get to not bother?
I do take your point, but I don't accept that a county should be allowed not field a team. It's unfair on the players who might have ambition and fails the basic custodian of Gaelic games piece.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 08:26:37 PMListen forgive my rants, bb2 is no more interested in the GAA than the man in the moon..
Multiple posts on GAA bashing, this is another one, tiresome
How the f**k is this GAA bashing?
We see you, you don't need to keep reminding us you exist.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 08:42:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2026, 08:26:37 PMListen forgive my rants, bb2 is no more interested in the GAA than the man in the moon..
Multiple posts on GAA bashing, this is another one, tiresome
How the f**k is this GAA bashing?
We see you, you don't need to keep reminding us you exist.
Oh, I'll sleep well knowing that
Is there an ignore function?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 08:41:48 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 08:22:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
So because the culture was shite and the county board weren't arsed putting a decent manager in, they get to not bother?
I do take your point, but I don't accept that a county should be allowed not field a team. It's unfair on the players who might have ambition and fails the basic custodian of Gaelic games piece.
I agree but I can't see any other solution. Does anyone really gain anything if they field a team and get hammered every week?
They did field at Minor this year which is a start but they lost all 3 games in Leinster by a total of 60 points and that was in a group with Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. Then Carlow beat them by 29 points in the All-Ireland C. I suppose it's a start at least and they can hardly do worse than the year Wexford beat them 17-20 to no score.
Quote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 09:27:01 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 08:41:48 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 08:22:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
So because the culture was shite and the county board weren't arsed putting a decent manager in, they get to not bother?
I do take your point, but I don't accept that a county should be allowed not field a team. It's unfair on the players who might have ambition and fails the basic custodian of Gaelic games piece.
I agree but I can't see any other solution. Does anyone really gain anything if they field a team and get hammered every week?
They did field at Minor this year which is a start but they lost all 3 games in Leinster by a total of 60 points and that was in a group with Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. Then Carlow beat them by 29 points in the All-Ireland C. I suppose it's a start at least and they can hardly do worse than the year Wexford beat them 17-20 to no score.
But that is a circular argument. We don't take it seriously because we are shite. We are shite because we don't take it seriously.
You have to start somewhere and that can be the very bottom.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 09:54:56 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 09:27:01 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 08:41:48 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 08:22:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
So because the culture was shite and the county board weren't arsed putting a decent manager in, they get to not bother?
I do take your point, but I don't accept that a county should be allowed not field a team. It's unfair on the players who might have ambition and fails the basic custodian of Gaelic games piece.
I agree but I can't see any other solution. Does anyone really gain anything if they field a team and get hammered every week?
They did field at Minor this year which is a start but they lost all 3 games in Leinster by a total of 60 points and that was in a group with Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. Then Carlow beat them by 29 points in the All-Ireland C. I suppose it's a start at least and they can hardly do worse than the year Wexford beat them 17-20 to no score.
But that is a circular argument. We don't take it seriously because we are shite. We are shite because we don't take it seriously.
You have to start somewhere and that can be the very bottom.
Yeah would agree. Need to start somewhere and if it takes a few years of hammerings thats what it takes unfortunately. Similar situation to Waterford where boys who'd maybe be good footballers are sitting on the fringes of the hurling team, it's a shame something couldn't be worked for them to play football.
Here's my understanding of it and I stand to be corrected too.
Any county is free to not enter any competition in any code or grade (minor/under 20/adult). If they don't enter a team in one of the codes at any grade, it affects their central funding.
So if for example Laois decided not to enter minor hurling, they'd receive less money from Croker.
So, most counties then enter everything (I think you'd have "development competitions" for minor and under 20 hurling teams from the likes of Louth, Cavan, Fermanagh etc).
Kilkenny definitely played minor football this year, pretty sure they didn't play under 20 football and they'll play adult next month in the All-Ireland junior.
I suppose the short answer is, any county is free to do what Kilkenny do. It has happened before with counties other than Kilkenny.
Kilkenny lose by 5 to Warwickshire in the AI Junior Quarter Final.
Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 28, 2026, 11:00:53 AMKilkenny lose by 5 to Warwickshire in the AI Junior Quarter Final.
That will hurt even harder than not getting through to the hurling quarters!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 09:54:56 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 09:27:01 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 08:41:48 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 08:22:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
So because the culture was shite and the county board weren't arsed putting a decent manager in, they get to not bother?
I do take your point, but I don't accept that a county should be allowed not field a team. It's unfair on the players who might have ambition and fails the basic custodian of Gaelic games piece.
I agree but I can't see any other solution. Does anyone really gain anything if they field a team and get hammered every week?
They did field at Minor this year which is a start but they lost all 3 games in Leinster by a total of 60 points and that was in a group with Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. Then Carlow beat them by 29 points in the All-Ireland C. I suppose it's a start at least and they can hardly do worse than the year Wexford beat them 17-20 to no score.
But that is a circular argument. We don't take it seriously because we are shite. We are shite because we don't take it seriously.
You have to start somewhere and that can be the very bottom.
A lot to unpack in this debate, but it comes down to the simple fact that the players have to want it.
I guarantee if a group of players wanted to play county football for Kilkenny, they wouldn't be stopped. They just don't want to be bothered. You lads on here seem to give more of a shite about the Kilkenny footballers than the players themselves.
So with that said, how do you propose to force them to want it? Cos if you find an answer, there's at least 15 county hurling squads who'd be all ears.
In your list of counties who could give up hurling if they wanted** there are groups of players who WANT to represent their county in hurling. And that's the core difference between these teams and the often pitied Kilkenny footballers.
**Which weirdly included Kerry who beat Tipp in a senior grade competition just 4 years ago - not much of an authority on this, are you?
Tipperary and Limerick have football parishes. Waterford and Kilkenny are virtually covered by the hurling area. Waterford are very weak in football. They beat Tipperary for the first time in 36 years 2 years ago. First win in Munster since 2010
https://youtu.be/r21GCLjPbjI?is=_DblLIuqNQ5DIQB-
Most of the Hurling Counties have Football only parishes. Can the reverse be said for most Football counties in the northern half of the country?
2 AI semis next 2 days and GAAboard discussing Kilkenny (non)football.
Quote from: didlyi on July 10, 2026, 12:27:01 PMMost of the Hurling Counties have Football only parishes. Can the reverse be said for most Football counties in the northern half of the country?
Not for Armagh anyway, majority of the hurling would be Keady/Middletown/Derrynoose who've all plenty of lads playing football as well, some in Armagh City, Portadown and Lurgan but would be the poor relation to football.
Much football in Downs hurling strongholds?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 10, 2026, 01:18:52 PMQuote from: didlyi on July 10, 2026, 12:27:01 PMMost of the Hurling Counties have Football only parishes. Can the reverse be said for most Football counties in the northern half of the country?
Not for Armagh anyway, majority of the hurling would be Keady/Middletown/Derrynoose who've all plenty of lads playing football as well, some in Armagh City, Portadown and Lurgan but would be the poor relation to football.
Much football in Downs hurling strongholds?
Down have 14 adult hurling clubs, 4 have no football at all; the 3 Ards clubs and Balella
Quote from: Franko on July 10, 2026, 02:24:48 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 09:54:56 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 09:27:01 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 08:41:48 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 08:22:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
So because the culture was shite and the county board weren't arsed putting a decent manager in, they get to not bother?
I do take your point, but I don't accept that a county should be allowed not field a team. It's unfair on the players who might have ambition and fails the basic custodian of Gaelic games piece.
I agree but I can't see any other solution. Does anyone really gain anything if they field a team and get hammered every week?
They did field at Minor this year which is a start but they lost all 3 games in Leinster by a total of 60 points and that was in a group with Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. Then Carlow beat them by 29 points in the All-Ireland C. I suppose it's a start at least and they can hardly do worse than the year Wexford beat them 17-20 to no score.
But that is a circular argument. We don't take it seriously because we are shite. We are shite because we don't take it seriously.
You have to start somewhere and that can be the very bottom.
A lot to unpack in this debate, but it comes down to the simple fact that the players have to want it.
I guarantee if a group of players wanted to play county football for Kilkenny, they wouldn't be stopped. They just don't want to be bothered. You lads on here seem to give more of a shite about the Kilkenny footballers than the players themselves.
So with that said, how do you propose to force them to want it? Cos if you find an answer, there's at least 15 county hurling squads who'd be all ears.
In your list of counties who could give up hurling if they wanted** there are groups of players who WANT to represent their county in hurling. And that's the core difference between these teams and the often pitied Kilkenny footballers.
**Which weirdly included Kerry who beat Tipp in a senior grade competition just 4 years ago - not much of an authority on this, are you?
But there are 15 lads who want to play. They enter some special needs competition. The question is why they don't enter the championship. Shrugging the shoulders and saying 'well they are shite' seems very short termist to me.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 13, 2026, 11:38:56 AMQuote from: Franko on July 10, 2026, 02:24:48 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 09:54:56 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 09:27:01 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 08:41:48 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 08:22:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 05:49:58 PMQuote from: fullback2023 on June 07, 2026, 05:06:59 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 04:08:32 PMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 01:32:17 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 07, 2026, 11:59:18 AMQuote from: JollyGreenGiant on June 07, 2026, 11:22:39 AMUltimately, its an amateur sport, and if there is insufficient interest it could actually compromise the ability to field a team on an annual basis.
The trade off is Kilkenny do a lot for hurling, and in many ways a lot of the heavy lifting for a sport whose strength is concentrated in two provinces. Football is sufficiently strong that all teams can at least meet in the Tailteann Cup. That isn't the case in hurling hence the tiered Championship. It might not be noticed, but last week Longford and Leitrim had a day out in Croker as the culmination of their hurling season for silverware and promotion.
In reality, the KK football issue is a non-issue. They have not competed in Leinster for years, and I think its nearly 100 years since their last won a Leinster Senior Championship football match. The county is hurling mad and has produced some truly immense hurlers. Tipperary and Limerick deserve credit for making efforts to render their footballing efforts competitive (Tipp even have recent silverware). Kilkenny football gets the level of credit and respect it deserves.
So by this logic Sligo, Mayo, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Kerry, Meath, Wicklow and so on can just drop hurling.
Leaving aside the unfairness, Kilkenny can put money into their hurlers other counties spend on uncompetitive teams, is part of being a county board not also as a custodian of Gaelic games?
Not exactly. Although your point is sound regarding the County Board. Monaghan, Fermanagh, Wicklow, Kerry, and Meath have all won at least one hurling title in recent years and Cavan have made it to the final. So there is a reason to continue fighting. Football as a sport will never need five tiers of competition, and even if such competitions were opened up below the Tailteann Cup, you'd find teams wouldnt want it, and would see it as condescending.
In many ways, hurling needs to be promoted in a way football doesn't, and lets be honest, teams like Cavan, Wicklow, or Sligo dropping their hurling team would probably make no noticeable different to the quality of their football teams.
And maybe Kilkenny would be competitive at some level in football. We will never know.
My point is that if one county can bin the code they see as hassle and take that couple of hundred grand and spend it on the code they like, why can't every county take that approach?
Tough shit if you are good at it, your county board couldn't be arsed fielding a team.
They entered the league from 2008-11, 32 games played and lost all 32 by a combined margin of 653 points. Their average score was less than 5 points a game and in the last year they failed to score at all against Leitrim and only scored 1 point against Roscommon. Unless in the last 15 years there's been some incredible improvement that's gone unnoticed by everyone, they aren't capable of competing even in Division 4.
There's 41 clubs in Kilkenny and 30 have played Football this year, another 6 have played underage so it isn't lack of numbers that's the issue, there's actually more clubs playing Football in Kilkenny than there are Hurling in the majority of other counties. The problem is that it isn't taken seriously, seems that they all just see it as a bit of fun before the proper stuff starts, unless that mentality can be changed the situation will stay the same.
The best solution would be to revive the Junior Championship properly so they at least have a proper championship that they might be able to be competitive in instead of a couple of games over the one weekend which was just a whim of Larry McCarthy's so a few lads from New York could win something in Croke Park.
There's nothing to stop any county from not fielding, other than that the hurlers (or footballers in a couple of cases) would be in absolute uproar that they didn't have a team which would cause the county board too many issues so they just pay lip service to it instead and do the bare minimum.
So they weren't fielding, tried for 3 years, and shockingly were way off. You have to build. And if they were made field they would have.
That was the problem though, they weren't getting any better, if anything they got worse. Their best score difference by far was in the first year.
2008 -109 (Scored 3-60)
2009 -192 (Scored 1-39)
2010 -171 (Scored 5-29)
2011 -181 (Scored 6-18)
There were comments at the time that most of the lads on the panel wouldn't be in the best 50 footballers in Kilkenny and it's hardly surprising with results like that. Who was going to commit to a team that was beaten 3-19 to no score at home by Leitrim?
They played their senior final on 2nd May and there won't be any football played now until next February, apart from a couple of games for Railyard in the Carlow league. Trying to put a team together from a group of lads who haven't kicked a ball for 6-7 months is just going to end the same way as last time.
So because the culture was shite and the county board weren't arsed putting a decent manager in, they get to not bother?
I do take your point, but I don't accept that a county should be allowed not field a team. It's unfair on the players who might have ambition and fails the basic custodian of Gaelic games piece.
I agree but I can't see any other solution. Does anyone really gain anything if they field a team and get hammered every week?
They did field at Minor this year which is a start but they lost all 3 games in Leinster by a total of 60 points and that was in a group with Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. Then Carlow beat them by 29 points in the All-Ireland C. I suppose it's a start at least and they can hardly do worse than the year Wexford beat them 17-20 to no score.
But that is a circular argument. We don't take it seriously because we are shite. We are shite because we don't take it seriously.
You have to start somewhere and that can be the very bottom.
A lot to unpack in this debate, but it comes down to the simple fact that the players have to want it.
I guarantee if a group of players wanted to play county football for Kilkenny, they wouldn't be stopped. They just don't want to be bothered. You lads on here seem to give more of a shite about the Kilkenny footballers than the players themselves.
So with that said, how do you propose to force them to want it? Cos if you find an answer, there's at least 15 county hurling squads who'd be all ears.
In your list of counties who could give up hurling if they wanted** there are groups of players who WANT to represent their county in hurling. And that's the core difference between these teams and the often pitied Kilkenny footballers.
**Which weirdly included Kerry who beat Tipp in a senior grade competition just 4 years ago - not much of an authority on this, are you?
But there are 15 lads who want to play. They enter some special needs competition. The question is why they don't enter the championship. Shrugging the shoulders and saying 'well they are shite' seems very short termist to me.
I'd suggest you delete the derogatory language used in that post, if you don't know what it is then speak to someone with more than one brain cell.
London AI Champions and ya couldn't get a nicer chap as manager.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2026/0712/1582990-exiles-victory-means-an-awful-lot-says-coggins/