At the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
These happen to be supporters, I use the term vaguely, who never go to NFL games.
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
Not giving the f**kers all afternoon to drink the head of themselves would be a start.
5.25 throw in doesn't help.
Don't really think that the throw in time should be blamed. What is the alternative have all games earlier as people can't behave? What about the people working on a Saturday? League games are played on a Saturday evening and are a great job.
Quote from: statto on May 12, 2025, 10:40:47 AMDon't really think that the throw in time should be blamed. What is the alternative have all games earlier as people can't behave? What about the people working on a Saturday? League games are played on a Saturday evening and are a great job.
I think the throw in time was an issue for sure. Busses leaving at 12 from Armagh to Clones (a 1hour trip at very, very most). Plenty of time for drink and whatever else.
This was a final also, it doesn't come around every week like league games do. The occasion would spur people on to head out drinking for sure.
Instagram videos
FOMO
everybody else is going so I have to go
Unfortunately getting boozed up and acting the dick at big matches seems to have become the norm for many many people
Ive seen it many times people politely telling others to tone down the swearing , as there's children about. You'd probably get a glass bottle thrown at you now for saying that
My father took us everywhere to games , and wouldn't have tolerated any abuse of opponents or bad language or you'd have got a cuff round the ear
Most of these youngsters probably never were taken to a match before , so they don't know how to behave
I see there was a bit of punching on the Hill in Dublin too.
100k were at the two games
there was drunken ness and a few fights but at least 95% of the public were there for the games
i remember as a child in the 80s watching guys drunk rolling down the grass bank at clones so it hasnt really gotten much worse save for the drugs
Dont think it matters what time it atarts, if you have it earlier they'll just drink earlier, better garda presence and anyone found acting the p***k identified and banned, difficult to enforce I know. Its usually the ones who don't even go to the game that cause the trouble watching it in the pub in Clones.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 12, 2025, 10:47:20 AMQuote from: statto on May 12, 2025, 10:40:47 AMDon't really think that the throw in time should be blamed. What is the alternative have all games earlier as people can't behave? What about the people working on a Saturday? League games are played on a Saturday evening and are a great job.
I think the throw in time was an issue for sure. Busses leaving at 12 from Armagh to Clones (a 1hour trip at very, very most). Plenty of time for drink and whatever else.
This was a final also, it doesn't come around every week like league games do. The occasion would spur people on to head out drinking for sure.
The times are also dictated to by television. If the game was played at 3pm on a Saturday there would have been uproar about that also. In relation to the buses had the game been earlier the buses would have adjusted the leaving time to suit so people could have a "good day" out.
Quote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 10:51:24 AM100k were at the two games
there was drunken ness and a few fights but at least 95% of the public were there for the games
i remember as a child in the 80s watching guys drunk rolling down the grass bank at clones so it hasnt really gotten much worse save for the drugs
need to bear this in mind and not tar everyone. Plenty there will have had pints and not been involved in anything untoward. Checks on bags/people going in need to be stricter
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 12, 2025, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 10:51:24 AM100k were at the two games
there was drunken ness and a few fights but at least 95% of the public were there for the games
i remember as a child in the 80s watching guys drunk rolling down the grass bank at clones so it hasnt really gotten much worse save for the drugs
need to bear this in mind and not tar everyone. Plenty there will have had pints and not been involved in anything untoward. Checks on bags/people going in need to be stricter
I don't think bag checks are the problem I had a bag with me on Saturday and it was checked thoroughly it's what goes on before hand or lads maybe having spirits mixed in a bottle that aren't detected.
Quote from: statto on May 12, 2025, 11:15:47 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 12, 2025, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 10:51:24 AM100k were at the two games
there was drunken ness and a few fights but at least 95% of the public were there for the games
i remember as a child in the 80s watching guys drunk rolling down the grass bank at clones so it hasnt really gotten much worse save for the drugs
need to bear this in mind and not tar everyone. Plenty there will have had pints and not been involved in anything untoward. Checks on bags/people going in need to be stricter
I don't think bag checks are the problem I had a bag with me on Saturday and it was checked thoroughly it's what goes on before hand or lads maybe having spirits mixed in a bottle that aren't detected.
people are clearly getting drink in tho and its not just vodka mixed in a coke bottle
Quote from: statto on May 12, 2025, 11:15:47 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 12, 2025, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 10:51:24 AM100k were at the two games
there was drunken ness and a few fights but at least 95% of the public were there for the games
i remember as a child in the 80s watching guys drunk rolling down the grass bank at clones so it hasnt really gotten much worse save for the drugs
need to bear this in mind and not tar everyone. Plenty there will have had pints and not been involved in anything untoward. Checks on bags/people going in need to be stricter
I don't think bag checks are the problem I had a bag with me on Saturday and it was checked thoroughly it's what goes on before hand or lads maybe having spirits mixed in a bottle that aren't detected.
Attended the '22 and '23 Ulster Finals (O'Duffy Terrace) with family. Couldn't believe the amount of alcohol that some lads managed to get into the grounds. Cooler bags filled with cans. Some around us had beer/cider bottles too. Seemed to be more checks on those walking up the hill from the town, than there was from the other side. Even then it was a tick box thing. The few stewards that were there weren't gonna challenge too many lads or ladies with back packs.
Fine where i was - i had a bagpack with me for the wee lad with sweeties, crisps and capri suns etc but i was very surprised i was able to dander right up from the town past the garda and stewards without having to open it up for inspection. was loose enough.
saying that - i think it was isolated incidents - take 28k + to clones the bars are going to stock up and make their day of it also. the town was busy and for the whole was a good days craic with plenty of mixing of both supporters.
a minority as usual
Yeah a minority surely, don't think it really warrants that much discussion. 2023 I remember bag searches even before you were walking up to the ground, there was a lot of talk about flares that year which is what they were focussing on.
I had a bag with me too, water bottles, sambos etc. The bag has 3 sections. They checked 1. Maybe I'm just not one to be concerned about.
I stood on the hill for a few mins after the game and let the crowd disperse a little before I attempted to leave. Bottles of drink everywhere. Big wine bottles, Whiskey, Vodka etc. It clearly isnt hard to get stuff in if you want too.
Its not the bag searches (or lack of)that is the problem.
unfortunately the issue with this carry on is lads 'on the bag'.
turns them into obnoxious pricks
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there was no public sale of tickets for the UF?
Were the various drunken dickheads Club members then?
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
No. its not that big a deal
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Quote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2025, 01:28:38 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Don't feed the troll lads.
Riot cops ;D ;D
There could be an issue if not stamped on quickly though - but all this would take is McGeeney and McGuinness (or a couple of big name players) to do a public interview calling out the knobheads for acting like knobheads
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
Maybe soccer fans are acting like gaelic hooligans?
Well if pubs open at 12, and games early at 2pm would cut out alot of it. U can't stop drinking on buses [though u not supposed to now, up North]
Segregation is frowned upon when suggested but personally think for big games it makes perfect sense and would create a better atmosphere. All Ireland final day used to be one got the hill the other the canal end and it worked just fine and looked a better spectacle in the context of colour etc
Social media has made a lot more people angrier..... Stay with me on this.
In the old days - you lost - you could drift off into your own world.
Now you are bombarded with various garbage online - Bottlers, losers etc after a loss.
Memes comparing your team/county.
Look at the past week - Louth people repeatedly asked about 2010 before and even after the game.
Even in triumph there was some media looking to open old wounds and hoping for a story.
Winning has become the only way to curtail this and losing (even in heroic fashion) leaves you open to goading even from players on the pitch.
As Paudi said
"It takes a good man to take his beating, but it takes a better man whose a winner to keep it inside and hold his head"
Quote from: larryin89 on May 12, 2025, 03:30:58 PMSegregation is frowned upon when suggested but personally think for big games it makes perfect sense and would create a better atmosphere. All Ireland final day used to be one got the hill the other the canal end and it worked just fine and looked a better spectacle in the context of colour etc
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This arrangement was introduced in 1977 in the Dublin-Armagh final, as the whole Hill thing had started with Heffo's army, and there had been fights etc there, and it was felt that some of the Armagh supporters were not shrinking violets.
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
Drugs are a problem in society these days. Ds to be tackled in general. Not just at GAA games
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 12, 2025, 05:07:24 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
Drugs are a problem in society these days. Ds to be tackled in general. Not just at GAA games
Very true.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2025, 04:10:18 PMQuote from: larryin89 on May 12, 2025, 03:30:58 PMSegregation is frowned upon when suggested but personally think for big games it makes perfect sense and would create a better atmosphere. All Ireland final day used to be one got the hill the other the canal end and it worked just fine and looked a better spectacle in the context of colour etc
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This arrangement was introduced in 1977 in the Dublin-Armagh final, as the whole Hill thing had started with Heffo's army, and there had been fights etc there, and it was felt that some of the Armagh supporters were not shrinking violets.
Not true though... if you look at the Hill for '74, 75, 76 finals was also mass of Dublin supporters. 'First '74 unreal when they made the breakthrough was very 'soccerish' tho.. banners and you'll never walk alone etc... traditionalists didn't like that!
'77 was first all ticket All Ireland final.
Was pragmatic '77 Dubs on the Hill; and Canal End like a big fire of orange... the supporters all came down the road together was no trouble. I was there.. in the Cusack Stand.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2025, 12:53:28 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I think there was no public sale of tickets for the UF?
Were the various drunken dickheads Club members then?
Yes people can't seem to get their head around that GAA club members can be rowdy drunks too. They just want to blame the band wagon fan. By the way it is possible to be both a club member and a band wagon fan. Having a club membership doesn't necessarily mean you go to games regularly.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on May 12, 2025, 06:37:54 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2025, 12:53:28 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I think there was no public sale of tickets for the UF?
Were the various drunken dickheads Club members then?
Yes people can't seem to get their head around that GAA club members can be rowdy drunks too. They just want to blame the band wagon fan.
Club members dig the head off each other on occasion too, and little drink involved
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on May 12, 2025, 06:37:54 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2025, 12:53:28 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I think there was no public sale of tickets for the UF?
Were the various drunken dickheads Club members then?
Yes people can't seem to get their head around that GAA club members can be rowdy drunks too. They just want to blame the band wagon fan.
Club members can be band wagoners too.
The people causing trouble are likely to be soccer fans going to their first GAA game of the year.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 12, 2025, 05:42:14 PM'77 was first all ticket All Ireland final.
Exactly. An all ticket final with distribution of tickets in different parts of the ground ensures segregation.
If ye turn up to a professional soccer or rugby ground langered you don't get in nor do you get to bring drinks/projectiles in, if you do sneak one in and get caught you get ejected.
The cute hoorism that says it's only a bit of craic needs to go.
Easy to laugh it off as a minority, less easy when there is eventually a serious incident.
We need to get our house in order on this stuff.
Quote from: BigGreenField on May 12, 2025, 06:57:38 PMIf ye turn up to a professional soccer or rugby ground langered you don't get in nor do you get to bring drinks/projectiles in, if you do sneak one in and get caught you get ejected.
The cute hoorism that says it's only a bit of craic needs to go.
Easy to laugh it off as a minority, less easy when there is eventually a serious incident.
We need to get our house in order on this stuff.
I've been going to matches all over the country since I was a child, some of the happiest memories of my childhood. Lucky to be doing the same thing with my own children now and the love it too. I'd love to think one day they'll do the same with their own but if this continues I think you'll start to see families thinking twice. Took some non GAA friends once to a match years ago and the thing they noticed most was how it was men, women and all ages sitting together, from opposing sides too , something so unique to the GAA it was would be sad to lose that.
Quote from: GraceO'Malley on May 12, 2025, 07:07:38 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on May 12, 2025, 06:57:38 PMIf ye turn up to a professional soccer or rugby ground langered you don't get in nor do you get to bring drinks/projectiles in, if you do sneak one in and get caught you get ejected.
The cute hoorism that says it's only a bit of craic needs to go.
Easy to laugh it off as a minority, less easy when there is eventually a serious incident.
We need to get our house in order on this stuff.
I've been going to matches all over the country since I was a child, some of the happiest memories of my childhood. Lucky to be doing the same thing with my own children now and the love it too. I'd love to think one day they'll do the same with their own but if this continues I think you'll start to see families thinking twice. Took some non GAA friends once to a match years ago and the thing they noticed most was how it was men, women and all ages sitting together, from opposing sides too , something so unique to the GAA it was would be sad to lose that.
No segregation in rugby league in England. Union also if I remember
Football fans that actually want to watch football will do just that. They will take their families to the game, and treat the kids to a great day out, creating memories, just like the generation before did with them.
Then you have young lads jumping on a bus for a day on the drink buying their county jersey the day before with no notion or care for what's happening on the pitch.
The occasion is no better for having the latter anywhere near it.
In 2023 and 2024, both of Down's Ulster semi finals versus Armagh were the same. The party atmosphere was overshadowed as you walked through the town by moronic drunks making a show of themselves.
Wouldn't make me think twice about taking my kids to the game but would much prefer not to have that shite either.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2025, 06:56:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 12, 2025, 05:42:14 PM'77 was first all ticket All Ireland final.
Exactly. An all ticket final with distribution of tickets in different parts of the ground ensures segregation.
Was because of the huge demand for tickets not specifically to segregate supporters. Dubs wud have went to the Hill anyway.
We don't need segregation because 4 or 5 lads out of over 65,000 people can't behave at a match. The other incident was in a shop.
I was in Croke Park yesterday was fantastic and safe friendly atmosphere..
Plenty of diversity on show for the row in the Hill.Used have plenty of Garda on show in there years ago.
I honestly don't see the drinking as a problem. People can go to a game and have a few drinks. Youngsters these days are blasting themselves full off Coke Caine and think they can do what they want. It's a massive massive problem in Ireland currently and nobody seams to know how fix it....
People have acted the complete ballbag with too much drink in them since time began.
Young men drinking too much and kicking the dung out of each other by the end of the night has been pretty much standard across Ireland for a long time.
Laying the blame solely on cocaine is simply wrong but convenient.
This thread is testament to how short memories are in the average human being.
In the 1990s I was that drunken teen on the hill in Clones. Hazy but brilliant days out with mates, which usually turned into nights out in Lacys.
And one of underlying memories of being a young teenager was that every Fri and Sat night, Sugar Island in Newry around 1am was an open air asylum of men who liked to have a row running into men who could row. There was no coke in Newry then. There was though plenty of aggression.
If a solitary video in a filling station is the only trouble, then our society is doing okay.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 13, 2025, 07:02:58 AMThis thread is testament to how short memories are in the average human being.
In the 1990s I was that drunken teen on the hill in Clones. Hazy but brilliant days out with mates, which usually turned into nights out in Lacys.
And one of underlying memories of being a young teenager was that every Fri and Sat night, Sugar Island in Newry around 1am was an open air asylum of men who liked to have a row running into men who could row. There was no coke in Newry then. There was though plenty of aggression.
If a solitary video in a filling station is the only trouble, then our society is doing okay.
The biggest difference now is that there is a w**ker on hand with a phone recording it.
Honestly never see this type of drunkeness before or during connacht championship matches.
After the match might be a different story, but even then I don't remember ever seeing a fight.
It seems to be part of the "culture" in Ulster championship matches to get tanked up before the match?
Not exclusive to ulster. There was some stuff at meath louth sunday too. The worst I have seen over the years is Meath ones (and I have nothing against Meath).
And we have public sale of tickets and still no trouble.
But then again us Western folks are a civilised breed.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 13, 2025, 07:52:39 AMHonestly never see this type of drunkeness before or during connacht championship matches.
After the match might be a different story, but even then I don't remember ever seeing a fight.
It seems to be part of the "culture" in Ulster championship matches to get tanked up before the match?
Only because connacht people don't want to spend the money!
Quote from: Tubberman on May 13, 2025, 07:52:39 AMHonestly never see this type of drunkeness before or during connacht championship matches.
After the match might be a different story, but even then I don't remember ever seeing a fight.
It seems to be part of the "culture" in Ulster championship matches to get tanked up before the match?
Most of these drunks at matches it's prob their 1st game of the year. There more for the booze than the game. Mostly all late teens early 20s,. Ulster council didn't help the matter with a late throw in.
Some counties seem to attract more of these types . Armagh seem to suffer more with the buckfast brigade in Ulster on a big day, but every county has them. Id steer clear of tge terraces if incan just to avoid them. I'm still not over bringing the kids to Clones 2 years ago for Down V Armagh. The behaviour that day was disgusting. Result not much better ;D
But the gaa just need a few games where they don't let them in and it will go a long way.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 13, 2025, 07:52:39 AMHonestly never see this type of drunkeness before or during connacht championship matches.
After the match might be a different story, but even then I don't remember ever seeing a fight.
It seems to be part of the "culture" in Ulster championship matches to get tanked up before the match?
In our league game at home to Galway this year I was sitting next to a bus load of about 20-ish young lads who were absolutely on the drink on the way up the road. Now they weren't any bother but they were drinking and some were definitely in the drunk category. So this isn't just an Ulster thing and not just restricted to championship.
Quote from: Franko on May 12, 2025, 01:51:00 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2025, 01:28:38 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Don't feed the troll lads.
Riot cops ;D ;D
There could be an issue if not stamped on quickly though - but all this would take is McGeeney and McGuinness (or a couple of big name players) to do a public interview calling out the knobheads for acting like knobheads
The immediate, and tedious, analogy to soccer was made. Soccer, at least in the FAI area, stopped hooliganism. There are no scraps anymore. Even Rovers and Bohs passes off peacefully these days. Because they took the gloves off.
Even a simple thing like searches on entry. If you know that having a bottle of hooch on you will stop you getting into the game, you won't try and smuggle it in.
If you throw slaps on a crowded terrace it's the POU heavy boys you deal with.
If you bought your ticket through a club you are banned for a period and the club punished.
But are we there? Will the GAA allow the Garda into the solution like soccer did? We all know the answer to that.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 10:22:11 AMQuote from: Franko on May 12, 2025, 01:51:00 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2025, 01:28:38 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Don't feed the troll lads.
Riot cops ;D ;D
There could be an issue if not stamped on quickly though - but all this would take is McGeeney and McGuinness (or a couple of big name players) to do a public interview calling out the knobheads for acting like knobheads
The immediate, and tedious, analogy to soccer was made. Soccer, at least in the FAI area, stopped hooliganism. There are no scraps anymore. Even Rovers and Bohs passes off peacefully these days. Because they took the gloves off.
Even a simple thing like searches on entry. If you know that having a bottle of hooch on you will stop you getting into the game, you won't try and smuggle it in.
If you throw slaps on a crowded terrace it's the POU heavy boys you deal with.
If you bought your ticket through a club you are banned for a period and the club punished.
But are we there? Will the GAA allow the Garda into the solution like soccer did? We all know the answer to that.
Lol at the bit in bold
By 'any more' - do you mean the past 10 months? ;D ;D
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2024/07/13/national-three-arrested-after-football-match-brawl/
The GAA won't bring the Garda in because they don't need to
No matter how much the soccer thugs would will it
STFU clown
It really is simple to police.
Drunk - you're not getting in
Carry out/bottles - leave them at the gate or you're not getting in
You might still have some behaving like dicks while inside, but at least they're not getting any drunker.
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 10:28:55 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 10:22:11 AMQuote from: Franko on May 12, 2025, 01:51:00 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2025, 01:28:38 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Don't feed the troll lads.
Riot cops ;D ;D
There could be an issue if not stamped on quickly though - but all this would take is McGeeney and McGuinness (or a couple of big name players) to do a public interview calling out the knobheads for acting like knobheads
The immediate, and tedious, analogy to soccer was made. Soccer, at least in the FAI area, stopped hooliganism. There are no scraps anymore. Even Rovers and Bohs passes off peacefully these days. Because they took the gloves off.
Even a simple thing like searches on entry. If you know that having a bottle of hooch on you will stop you getting into the game, you won't try and smuggle it in.
If you throw slaps on a crowded terrace it's the POU heavy boys you deal with.
If you bought your ticket through a club you are banned for a period and the club punished.
But are we there? Will the GAA allow the Garda into the solution like soccer did? We all know the answer to that.
Lol at the bit in bold
By 'any more' - do you mean the past 10 months? ;D ;D
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2024/07/13/national-three-arrested-after-football-match-brawl/
The GAA won't bring the Garda in because they don't need to
No matter how much the soccer thugs would will it
STFU clown
Fair enough. You went back a year and found an incident. An incident involving arrests and bans. Which is my point.
Dundalk 'didn't need' to bring the Gardai into it. But they did. And as I said, there is still a cute hoor, boys will be boys attitude to violence in the GAA. Sneering at soccer when there is a valid argument we are worse is infantile
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 12:29:05 PMQuote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 10:28:55 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 10:22:11 AMQuote from: Franko on May 12, 2025, 01:51:00 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2025, 01:28:38 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Don't feed the troll lads.
Riot cops ;D ;D
There could be an issue if not stamped on quickly though - but all this would take is McGeeney and McGuinness (or a couple of big name players) to do a public interview calling out the knobheads for acting like knobheads
The immediate, and tedious, analogy to soccer was made. Soccer, at least in the FAI area, stopped hooliganism. There are no scraps anymore. Even Rovers and Bohs passes off peacefully these days. Because they took the gloves off.
Even a simple thing like searches on entry. If you know that having a bottle of hooch on you will stop you getting into the game, you won't try and smuggle it in.
If you throw slaps on a crowded terrace it's the POU heavy boys you deal with.
If you bought your ticket through a club you are banned for a period and the club punished.
But are we there? Will the GAA allow the Garda into the solution like soccer did? We all know the answer to that.
Lol at the bit in bold
By 'any more' - do you mean the past 10 months? ;D ;D
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2024/07/13/national-three-arrested-after-football-match-brawl/
The GAA won't bring the Garda in because they don't need to
No matter how much the soccer thugs would will it
STFU clown
Fair enough. You went back a year and found an incident. An incident involving arrests and bans. Which is my point.
Dundalk 'didn't need' to bring the Gardai into it. But they did. And as I said, there is still a cute hoor, boys will be boys attitude to violence in the GAA. Sneering at soccer when there is a valid argument we are worse is infantile
'Worse' says the clown
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/national-news/1618761/teen-arrested-as-massive-brawl-between-football-fans-spills-on-to-major-dublin-road.html
(I can keep going if you want me to)
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 12:40:58 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 12:29:05 PMQuote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 10:28:55 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 10:22:11 AMQuote from: Franko on May 12, 2025, 01:51:00 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2025, 01:28:38 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Don't feed the troll lads.
Riot cops ;D ;D
There could be an issue if not stamped on quickly though - but all this would take is McGeeney and McGuinness (or a couple of big name players) to do a public interview calling out the knobheads for acting like knobheads
The immediate, and tedious, analogy to soccer was made. Soccer, at least in the FAI area, stopped hooliganism. There are no scraps anymore. Even Rovers and Bohs passes off peacefully these days. Because they took the gloves off.
Even a simple thing like searches on entry. If you know that having a bottle of hooch on you will stop you getting into the game, you won't try and smuggle it in.
If you throw slaps on a crowded terrace it's the POU heavy boys you deal with.
If you bought your ticket through a club you are banned for a period and the club punished.
But are we there? Will the GAA allow the Garda into the solution like soccer did? We all know the answer to that.
Lol at the bit in bold
By 'any more' - do you mean the past 10 months? ;D ;D
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2024/07/13/national-three-arrested-after-football-match-brawl/
The GAA won't bring the Garda in because they don't need to
No matter how much the soccer thugs would will it
STFU clown
Fair enough. You went back a year and found an incident. An incident involving arrests and bans. Which is my point.
Dundalk 'didn't need' to bring the Gardai into it. But they did. And as I said, there is still a cute hoor, boys will be boys attitude to violence in the GAA. Sneering at soccer when there is a valid argument we are worse is infantile
'Worse' says the clown
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/national-news/1618761/teen-arrested-as-massive-brawl-between-football-fans-spills-on-to-major-dublin-road.html
(I can keep going if you want me to)
Please do. Because every one of those stories has the word 'arrest'. Because my point remains. They have no tolerance. You do.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 01:06:57 PMQuote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 12:40:58 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 12:29:05 PMQuote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 10:28:55 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 13, 2025, 10:22:11 AMQuote from: Franko on May 12, 2025, 01:51:00 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2025, 01:28:38 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 12, 2025, 12:55:11 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2025, 09:50:04 AMAt the weekend there we seen fights in Clones ad fights on the Hill. What can we do to stop young ones congregating to matches full of Drink and drugs acting like soccer hooligans.
What soccer did to stop it happening there.
Arrests and bans. Expulsion from the association if members.
Is the will there to admit there is a problem and have scenes of riot cops snatching folk from games?
Come on is the problem really that big. Take the weekend if you were to replicate it with England there would be carnage. No segregation in a soccer ground. We really put ourselves down in this country. Hooliganism in England is organised. Do you think the lads fighting yesterday left home with the intent to get involved in a public scrap?
Don't feed the troll lads.
Riot cops ;D ;D
There could be an issue if not stamped on quickly though - but all this would take is McGeeney and McGuinness (or a couple of big name players) to do a public interview calling out the knobheads for acting like knobheads
The immediate, and tedious, analogy to soccer was made. Soccer, at least in the FAI area, stopped hooliganism. There are no scraps anymore. Even Rovers and Bohs passes off peacefully these days. Because they took the gloves off.
Even a simple thing like searches on entry. If you know that having a bottle of hooch on you will stop you getting into the game, you won't try and smuggle it in.
If you throw slaps on a crowded terrace it's the POU heavy boys you deal with.
If you bought your ticket through a club you are banned for a period and the club punished.
But are we there? Will the GAA allow the Garda into the solution like soccer did? We all know the answer to that.
Lol at the bit in bold
By 'any more' - do you mean the past 10 months? ;D ;D
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2024/07/13/national-three-arrested-after-football-match-brawl/
The GAA won't bring the Garda in because they don't need to
No matter how much the soccer thugs would will it
STFU clown
Fair enough. You went back a year and found an incident. An incident involving arrests and bans. Which is my point.
Dundalk 'didn't need' to bring the Gardai into it. But they did. And as I said, there is still a cute hoor, boys will be boys attitude to violence in the GAA. Sneering at soccer when there is a valid argument we are worse is infantile
'Worse' says the clown
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/national-news/1618761/teen-arrested-as-massive-brawl-between-football-fans-spills-on-to-major-dublin-road.html
(I can keep going if you want me to)
Please do. Because every one of those stories has the word 'arrest'. Because my point remains. They have no tolerance. You do.
We've had this debate before and I see you still haven't learned your lesson
We all know why these stories have the word arrest
Because every bloody game involves a huge garda operation c/w fan segregation / searches / pub opening hour restrictions / riot cops etc etc.
All to keep the scum from battering the heads off each other.
And, with all that, they STILL can't manage to stop soccer thugs from being soccer thugs.
STILL they find a way to engage in constant mass brawls - because it's what they came for
In the GAA that simply doesn't happen - and much as it pains you, massive garda operations just aren't necessary
Rival fans congregate in pubs beforehand TOGETHER and sit in the stands beside each other
There's an odd incident (which there will be when you mix testosterone, drink/drugs and sporting rivalry)
Then clowns like yourself pounce upon it and start with the straw man arguments
And just to finish off - here's a cracker from 2018 in the Dublin SCHOOLBOY leagues where they had to abandon
seven games in six weeks due to brawls, quite a few of which involved adults striking children
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/players-as-young-as-11-caught-up-in-violence/37496333.html
'Worse' he says ;D
Now please stop making a fool of yourself
Bringing the Garda riot squad into Clones is fine but what happens if Casement ever gets built and hosts an Ulster final...
https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234 (https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234)
Drunken brawl at the Balmoral Show.
Clearly there is an issue with farmers at the show and we need to send in the riot police to arrest and ban those responsible.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2025, 09:47:30 AMhttps://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234 (https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234)
Drunken brawl at the Balmoral Show.
Clearly there is an issue with farmers at the show and we need to send in the riot police to arrest and ban those responsible.
If there was ever any reason needed not to get into a drunken scrap then the proliferation of mobile phones these days would be it. Absolute embarrassment all round.
The wee blonde shouting 'fight fight fight' at the end then sucking on some vaping device. Imagine yourself watching that with a hangover. Ouch!
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2025, 09:47:30 AMhttps://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234 (https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234)
Drunken brawl at the Balmoral Show.
Clearly there is an issue with farmers at the show and we need to send in the riot police to arrest and ban those responsible.
Place only opened up at 9.30 today! They must have been on the booze early ;)
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2025, 09:47:30 AMhttps://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234 (https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234)
Drunken brawl at the Balmoral Show.
Clearly there is an issue with farmers at the show and we need to send in the riot police to arrest and ban those responsible.
Seems to be one of these videos every year at that show.
The young fella is away on a school trip there today ;D
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on May 14, 2025, 10:32:51 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2025, 09:47:30 AMhttps://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234 (https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234)
Drunken brawl at the Balmoral Show.
Clearly there is an issue with farmers at the show and we need to send in the riot police to arrest and ban those responsible.
If there was ever any reason needed not to get into a drunken scrap then the proliferation of mobile phones these days would be it. Absolute embarrassment all round.
The wee blonde shouting 'fight fight fight' at the end then sucking on some vaping device. Imagine yourself watching that with a hangover. Ouch!
It's weird that while a brawl is going on, people falling around the place, punches thrown, boots swinging, that your first instinct is to whip out a phone and stand there and record.
I mean if two or three hefty boyos are in a brawl and they come your direction, it'll be you in the back of an ambulance, not them
My instinct is would be to get offside and let them at it. Or protect anyone with you , especially kids
I'm up at it on Friday with work! Tan shoes at the ready
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2025, 09:47:30 AMhttps://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234 (https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234)
Drunken brawl at the Balmoral Show.
Clearly there is an issue with farmers at the show and we need to send in the riot police to arrest and ban those responsible.
That video is a couple of years old.
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 01:25:57 PMBecause every bloody game involves a huge garda operation c/w fan segregation / searches / pub opening hour restrictions / riot cops etc etc.
This isn't true and you know it isn't. So why post it?
And have you ever heard of Rathnew v Rathdrum? Referees getting battered and left in car boots overnight?
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 01:25:57 PMAll to keep the scum from battering the heads off each other.
And, with all that, they STILL can't manage to stop soccer thugs from being soccer thugs.
STILL they find a way to engage in constant mass brawls - because it's what they came for
In the GAA that simply doesn't happen - and much as it pains you, massive garda operations just aren't necessary
But it does happen. It happened twice at the weekend. There were dozens of incidents in the summer before Covid.
But my point has been proven. Too many folk in the GAA don't want to deal with the issue before it gets out of hand. Fine. But stop with the default 'soccer scum' nonsense, especially since they have by and large fixed it.
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 01:25:57 PMRival fans congregate in pubs beforehand TOGETHER and sit in the stands beside each other
And they do at soccer too. Even the Dublin Derby has mixed pubs, and that is a hatred the GAA simply doesn't have.
Do you really think LoI fans don't mix? Seriously?
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 01:25:57 PMThere's an odd incident (which there will be when you mix testosterone, drink/drugs and sporting rivalry)
Then clowns like yourself pounce upon it and start with the straw man arguments
Interesting you accuse me of a strawman, considering your entire argument is about another sport.
Quote from: Franko on May 13, 2025, 01:25:57 PMAnd just to finish off - here's a cracker from 2018 in the Dublin SCHOOLBOY leagues where they had to abandon seven games in six weeks due to brawls, quite a few of which involved adults striking children
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/players-as-young-as-11-caught-up-in-violence/37496333.html
This is my entire damn point. Leaving aside that there is also the occasional bout of murder at underage GAA, there were problems at soccer and soccer fixed, or at least had an internal discussion about fixing, said problem. A marker was laid, anybody associated with a soccer club acting the bollox at games like that and the club gets punished. That is now the culture at underage soccer.
There remains, as amply proven by yourself, a culture within the GAA that simply won't accept that there is too much thuggery in and around games because fixing it would fail some sort of purity test. That is grand, but be honest about it.
When did this Brigin buck post on GAABOARD before this week?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2025, 06:31:24 PMWhen did this Brigin buck post on GAABOARD before this week?
A while ago. I was off socials for about 6 months. But the man is getting played here I feel.
We see if the Balmoral video makes the news, way worse than anything I seen at recent games. Still think there should be heavier punishments for drink fuelled wankers!
Quote from: msg=2340077 date=1747246037We see if the Balmoral video makes the news, way worse than anything I seen at recent games. Still think there should be heavier punishments for drink fuelled wankers!
What are you on about. That Balmoral video is from a few years ago.
Quote from: trileacman on May 14, 2025, 07:13:27 PMQuote from: msg=2340077 date=1747246037We see if the Balmoral video makes the news, way worse than anything I seen at recent games. Still think there should be heavier punishments for drink fuelled wankers!
What are you on about. That Balmoral video is from a few years ago.
So was Kneecap's
Just saying
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 14, 2025, 06:32:46 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2025, 06:31:24 PMWhen did this Brigin buck post on GAABOARD before this week?
A while ago. I was off socials for about 6 months. But the man is getting played here I feel.
Genuine question here mate. Have they actually fixed fighting in the FAI? I lived in England a long time and kept hearing the same thing. And while fighting in stadiums was by and large stopped, it just moved it to organised fights in other olaces. One I got caught up in and it wasn't pleasant at all
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 14, 2025, 07:41:29 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 14, 2025, 06:32:46 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2025, 06:31:24 PMWhen did this Brigin buck post on GAABOARD before this week?
A while ago. I was off socials for about 6 months. But the man is getting played here I feel.
Genuine question here mate. Have they actually fixed fighting in the FAI? I lived in England a long time and kept hearing the same thing. And while fighting in stadiums was by and large stopped, it just moved it to organised fights in other olaces. One I got caught up in and it wasn't pleasant at all
To the best of my knowledge pretty much. I have some chums who are loi regulars who would say that incidents were blown up by the red tops, but clubs are turning punters away now, any mischief and you are gone. They don't need your €15 anymore. The Guards are more clued in and working with clubs to enforce bans across the board.
I understand the derby in the Aviva went off without a hitch. That wouldn't have been the case 5 years ago.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 14, 2025, 09:32:47 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 14, 2025, 07:41:29 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 14, 2025, 06:32:46 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2025, 06:31:24 PMWhen did this Brigin buck post on GAABOARD before this week?
A while ago. I was off socials for about 6 months. But the man is getting played here I feel.
Genuine question here mate. Have they actually fixed fighting in the FAI? I lived in England a long time and kept hearing the same thing. And while fighting in stadiums was by and large stopped, it just moved it to organised fights in other olaces. One I got caught up in and it wasn't pleasant at all
To the best of my knowledge pretty much. I have some chums who are loi regulars who would say that incidents were blown up by the red tops, but clubs are turning punters away now, any mischief and you are gone. They don't need your €15 anymore. The Guards are more clued in and working with clubs to enforce bans across the board.
I understand the derby in the Aviva went off without a hitch. That wouldn't have been the case 5 years ago.
Good to hear
Not clever enough to do the point by point quoting carry on
1.
You clearly don't know what a 'straw man' argument means
2.
Your basic premise is that 'soccer has it sorted' whereas the GAA has a problem
I show numerous incidents still ongoing in soccer (even with the massive policing presence, segregation etc etc at any game which could be remotely contentious) - most of a more serious nature than the GAA incidents
You still bleat that soccer has it sorted
So here's the thing - if one isn't a problem, then neither is the other
If your position is that both have a problem, then the soccer lads need to be increasing policing yet further to stop the scum from scrapping as the evidence presented shows that they clearly don't have it fixed
Your inconsistency on this affirms your shit stirring motives
3.
It obviously grates you massively that the GAA can stage massive games and sustain intense rivalries by-and-large without the hooliganism
Whereas your groundball mates reach for the knuckledusters for every derby fixture
And no amount of hyperbole from you here is going to convince anyone that an equivalence exists between the 2 sets of fans
4.
How this will play out
You'll say that the GAA lads are putting their heads in the sand regarding a supposedly huge issue - and I'll point you to my first post on the topic. You'll say that the GAA need to go further and I (and anyone else without an agenda) will say you're just plain wrong. You'll disagree
That's a situation I'm happy with
And I'll be happy in the knowledge that I can attend any big GAA fixture this summer without worrying for my safety if I happen to wander into the 'wrong' area (NB - these don't exist at GAA games - no matter what team's shirt you're wearing)
You won't be able to say the same for the flare and flick knife brigade
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2025, 09:47:30 AMhttps://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234 (https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1922352149058478234)
Drunken brawl at the Balmoral Show.
Clearly there is an issue with farmers at the show and we need to send in the riot police to arrest and ban those responsible.
That's an old video, 3/4 years old.
Quote from: Franko on May 15, 2025, 12:26:04 PMNot clever enough to do the point by point quoting carry on
1.
You clearly don't know what a 'straw man' argument means
2.
Your basic premise is that 'soccer has it sorted' whereas the GAA has a problem
I show numerous incidents still ongoing in soccer (even with the massive policing presence, segregation etc etc at any game which could be remotely contentious) - most of a more serious nature than the GAA incidents
You still bleat that soccer has it sorted
So here's the thing - if one isn't a problem, then neither is the other
If your position is that both have a problem, then the soccer lads need to be increasing policing yet further to stop the scum from scrapping as the evidence presented shows that they clearly don't have it fixed
Your inconsistency on this affirms your shit stirring motives
3.
It obviously grates you massively that the GAA can stage massive games and sustain intense rivalries by-and-large without the hooliganism
Whereas your groundball mates reach for the knuckledusters for every derby fixture
And no amount of hyperbole from you here is going to convince anyone that an equivalence exists between the 2 sets of fans
4.
How this will play out
You'll say that the GAA lads are putting their heads in the sand regarding a supposedly huge issue - and I'll point you to my first post on the topic. You'll say that the GAA need to go further and I (and anyone else without an agenda) will say you're just plain wrong. You'll disagree
That's a situation I'm happy with
And I'll be happy in the knowledge that I can attend any big GAA fixture this summer without worrying for my safety if I happen to wander into the 'wrong' area (NB - these don't exist at GAA games - no matter what team's shirt you're wearing)
You won't be able to say the same for the flare and flick knife brigade
What a contradictory mess you are.
This is very, very simple. We had 2 incidents of crowd trouble over the weekend.
Some posters on here see a pattern and discussed what should be done. I pointed out how soccer has all but eliminated crowd violence in FAIland.
You object to that notion and trawled the internet and found 2 incidents, one serious enough, one handbags, post Covid. You have enthralled us all with your soccer is scum, so therefore we don't need to have any discussion about the issues in the GAA routine. No problem with crowd trouble in the GAA because <insert mad shit about flicknives, knuckle dusters and pub closures>. Case closed.
If you don't believe that there is a problem, fine. But you need to do a lot better than whataboutery, especially since it's really shit whataboutery.
Your position is that tedious GAA exceptionalism that we can't quite shake off. There is no problem because admitting a problem would make us the same as the soccer, lets hope it doesn't get out of hand and we end up with another Seamus Braid. The ingrained boys will be boys culture is becoming a serious issue. We can't search people going to the Hill or issue bans, because we are the GAA and the rules don't apply. We do it our way. See also intercounty players getting off jail time or lads being snuck out of the country before the cops arrive. It's the same attitude and we need to ditch it.
;D ;D
That's some rant. With a rage like that you'd fit in well in elite cafe-chair throwing hooligan circles
The 2 incidents were in the last 10 months - thereby rendering your oft repeated assertion that 'soccer has fixed it' as utter nonsense
What's also nonsense is that I think there's no discussion to be had. Basic comprehension fail on your part. I suspect the rage is the issue here
What I objected to is the hyperbolic crap - your first post on the issue mentioned riot cops ;D ;D
- and you then went on to outline how the problems in the GAA are worse than soccer in this regard. Why don't you ask some of the riot cops on duty at the next big game as I, on the other hand, won't be able to canvass opinion in this way
Anyway, having foolishly let myself get drawn into this debate (for the second time) with you I realise that I should lend exactly zero weight to your opinion here
Away outside and enjoy the sunshine - do try to resist the urge to throw the garden furniture
Quote from: Franko on May 15, 2025, 04:11:39 PM;D ;D
That's some rant. With a rage like that you'd fit in well in elite cafe-chair throwing hooligan circles
The 2 incidents were in the last 10 months - thereby rendering your oft repeated assertion that 'soccer has fixed it' as utter nonsense
What's also nonsense is that I think there's no discussion to be had. Basic comprehension fail on your part. I suspect the rage is the issue here
What I objected to is the hyperbolic crap - your first post on the issue mentioned riot cops ;D ;D
- and you then went on to outline how the problems in the GAA are worse than soccer in this regard. Why don't you ask some of the riot cops on duty at the next big game as I, on the other hand, won't be able to canvass opinion in this way
Anyway, having foolishly let myself get drawn into this debate (for the second time) with you I realise that I should lend exactly zero weight to your opinion here
Away outside and enjoy the sunshine - do try to resist the urge to throw the garden furniture
So 2 incidents in 10 months - soccer is a war zone. 2 incidents on the same day in football- nothing to see here.
You aren't university material, are you?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 15, 2025, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: Franko on May 15, 2025, 04:11:39 PM;D ;D
That's some rant. With a rage like that you'd fit in well in elite cafe-chair throwing hooligan circles
The 2 incidents were in the last 10 months - thereby rendering your oft repeated assertion that 'soccer has fixed it' as utter nonsense
What's also nonsense is that I think there's no discussion to be had. Basic comprehension fail on your part. I suspect the rage is the issue here
What I objected to is the hyperbolic crap - your first post on the issue mentioned riot cops ;D ;D
- and you then went on to outline how the problems in the GAA are worse than soccer in this regard. Why don't you ask some of the riot cops on duty at the next big game as I, on the other hand, won't be able to canvass opinion in this way
Anyway, having foolishly let myself get drawn into this debate (for the second time) with you I realise that I should lend exactly zero weight to your opinion here
Away outside and enjoy the sunshine - do try to resist the urge to throw the garden furniture
So 2 incidents in 10 months - soccer is a war zone. 2 incidents on the same day in football- nothing to see here.
You aren't university material, are you?
If I may.. was one of the incidents not in a shop? The other 3-4 lads 'boxing' on Hill 16?.. are we really in a crowd crisis?
Soccer crowds in England are segregated and the animosity between them is toxic.. tragedy chanting ffs! Lines of police on horseback to keep them separated on the streets.
I was in Croke Park on Sunday and the atmosphere with over 65,000 in attendance was fantastic and no hostility between supporters... albeit those couple eejits on the Hill. If that was a Premiership soccer game dozens would have joined in. Put thousands of Premiership fans from opposing teams on a terrace like that to see what happens.. is no comparison.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2025, 05:08:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 15, 2025, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: Franko on May 15, 2025, 04:11:39 PM;D ;D
That's some rant. With a rage like that you'd fit in well in elite cafe-chair throwing hooligan circles
The 2 incidents were in the last 10 months - thereby rendering your oft repeated assertion that 'soccer has fixed it' as utter nonsense
What's also nonsense is that I think there's no discussion to be had. Basic comprehension fail on your part. I suspect the rage is the issue here
What I objected to is the hyperbolic crap - your first post on the issue mentioned riot cops ;D ;D
- and you then went on to outline how the problems in the GAA are worse than soccer in this regard. Why don't you ask some of the riot cops on duty at the next big game as I, on the other hand, won't be able to canvass opinion in this way
Anyway, having foolishly let myself get drawn into this debate (for the second time) with you I realise that I should lend exactly zero weight to your opinion here
Away outside and enjoy the sunshine - do try to resist the urge to throw the garden furniture
So 2 incidents in 10 months - soccer is a war zone. 2 incidents on the same day in football- nothing to see here.
You aren't university material, are you?
If I may.. was one of the incidents not in a shop? The other 3-4 lads 'boxing' on Hill 16?.. are we really in a crowd crisis?
Soccer crowds in England are segregated and the animosity between them is toxic.. tragedy chanting ffs! Lines of police on horseback to keep them separated on the streets.
I was in Croke Park on Sunday and the atmosphere with over 65,000 in attendance was fantastic and no hostility between supporters... albeit those couple eejits on the Hill. If that was a Premiership soccer game dozens would have joined in. Put thousands of Premiership fans from opposing teams on a terrace like that to see what happens.. is no comparison.
Agreed. Which is why nobody is making that comparison.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 15, 2025, 06:01:52 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2025, 05:08:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on May 15, 2025, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: Franko on May 15, 2025, 04:11:39 PM;D ;D
That's some rant. With a rage like that you'd fit in well in elite cafe-chair throwing hooligan circles
The 2 incidents were in the last 10 months - thereby rendering your oft repeated assertion that 'soccer has fixed it' as utter nonsense
What's also nonsense is that I think there's no discussion to be had. Basic comprehension fail on your part. I suspect the rage is the issue here
What I objected to is the hyperbolic crap - your first post on the issue mentioned riot cops ;D ;D
- and you then went on to outline how the problems in the GAA are worse than soccer in this regard. Why don't you ask some of the riot cops on duty at the next big game as I, on the other hand, won't be able to canvass opinion in this way
Anyway, having foolishly let myself get drawn into this debate (for the second time) with you I realise that I should lend exactly zero weight to your opinion here
Away outside and enjoy the sunshine - do try to resist the urge to throw the garden furniture
So 2 incidents in 10 months - soccer is a war zone. 2 incidents on the same day in football- nothing to see here.
You aren't university material, are you?
If I may.. was one of the incidents not in a shop? The other 3-4 lads 'boxing' on Hill 16?.. are we really in a crowd crisis?
Soccer crowds in England are segregated and the animosity between them is toxic.. tragedy chanting ffs! Lines of police on horseback to keep them separated on the streets.
I was in Croke Park on Sunday and the atmosphere with over 65,000 in attendance was fantastic and no hostility between supporters... albeit those couple eejits on the Hill. If that was a Premiership soccer game dozens would have joined in. Put thousands of Premiership fans from opposing teams on a terrace like that to see what happens.. is no comparison.
Agreed. Which is why nobody is making that comparison.
Good! One wouldn't want hysteria over a few gobshites on The Hill...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Ireland is not immune to the soccer disease of hooliganism.
The Bray Wanderers following could fit in a phonebox, yet they can still manage to cause trouble.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/disgraceful-scenes-as-crowd-trouble-mars-bray-wanderers-opening-match-of-the-season/41375417.html
Quote from: Fogarty on July 28, 2025, 04:51:18 PMIreland is not immune to the soccer disease of hooliganism.
The Bray Wanderers following could fit in a phonebox, yet they can still manage to cause trouble.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/disgraceful-scenes-as-crowd-trouble-mars-bray-wanderers-opening-match-of-the-season/41375417.html
February 2022. Topical.
Quote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
BB is so biased he can't see the facts.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2025, 12:50:37 PMBB is so biased he can't see the facts.
Facts are nobody involved was at the game. This was a lot more nuanced than just a row at the soccer.
Quote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 01:46:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
In this specific case, there has been a problem for years with local youths launching whatever was to hand at away fans. DCFC have no control over outside the stadium, the PSNI refuse to deal with it. Some Bohs scrotes travelled independently to dish out some revenge.
So this was Derry shitehawks who have nothing to do with their local team versus Bohs pups who couldn't get a ticket for this even if they tried.
Yes, if there was no game, there was no trouble. But at the same time the game also had nothing to do with it
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 02:06:18 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 01:46:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
In this specific case, there has been a problem for years with local youths launching whatever was to hand at away fans. DCFC have no control over outside the stadium, the PSNI refuse to deal with it. Some Bohs scrotes travelled independently to dish out some revenge.
So this was Derry shitehawks who have nothing to do with their local team versus Bohs pups who couldn't get a ticket for this even if they tried.
Yes, if there was no game, there was no trouble. But at the same time the game also had nothing to do with it
Read that sentence back and give yer head a wobble.
Quote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 03:12:33 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 02:06:18 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 01:46:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
In this specific case, there has been a problem for years with local youths launching whatever was to hand at away fans. DCFC have no control over outside the stadium, the PSNI refuse to deal with it. Some Bohs scrotes travelled independently to dish out some revenge.
So this was Derry shitehawks who have nothing to do with their local team versus Bohs pups who couldn't get a ticket for this even if they tried.
Yes, if there was no game, there was no trouble. But at the same time the game also had nothing to do with it
Read that sentence back and give yer head a wobble.
Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 04:22:38 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 03:12:33 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 02:06:18 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 01:46:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
In this specific case, there has been a problem for years with local youths launching whatever was to hand at away fans. DCFC have no control over outside the stadium, the PSNI refuse to deal with it. Some Bohs scrotes travelled independently to dish out some revenge.
So this was Derry shitehawks who have nothing to do with their local team versus Bohs pups who couldn't get a ticket for this even if they tried.
Yes, if there was no game, there was no trouble. But at the same time the game also had nothing to do with it
Read that sentence back and give yer head a wobble.
Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?
Been in Celtic Park countless times. And I'll tell you from experience re: the bit in bold - They're not.
And they have not.
And therefore, no opposing fans have ever had a 'pop back'
Because there is no culture of organised violence/hooliganism in the GAA
Gangs of hoods hell bent on an pre-arranged scrap just DONT EXIST in our games
It's a soccer thing and your time would be better spent trying to sort it out rather than projecting/deflecting onto other sports
Nobody decries the absence of cops at GAA games - because they are not needed
The desperation in your post is actually hilarious
Quote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 05:16:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 04:22:38 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 03:12:33 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 02:06:18 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 01:46:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
In this specific case, there has been a problem for years with local youths launching whatever was to hand at away fans. DCFC have no control over outside the stadium, the PSNI refuse to deal with it. Some Bohs scrotes travelled independently to dish out some revenge.
So this was Derry shitehawks who have nothing to do with their local team versus Bohs pups who couldn't get a ticket for this even if they tried.
Yes, if there was no game, there was no trouble. But at the same time the game also had nothing to do with it
Read that sentence back and give yer head a wobble.
Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?
Been in Celtic Park countless times. And I'll tell you from experience re: the bit in bold - They're not.
And they have not.
And therefore, no opposing fans have ever had a 'pop back'
Because there is no culture of organised violence/hooliganism in the GAA
Gangs of hoods hell bent on an pre-arranged scrap just DONT EXIST in our games
It's a soccer thing and your time would be better spent trying to sort it out rather than projecting/deflecting onto other sports
Nobody decries the absence of cops at GAA games - because they are not needed
The desperation in your post is actually hilarious
Hold up.
Nobody is claiming the Derry side of this equation were Derry City fans. Nobody. They are local shites who attack soccer fans. Same time, same place. If there was a Derry CLG game under lights there is nothing to suggest they wouldn't move 100m up the road for their giggles. Same conditions exist - no cops, visiting fans, the full knowledge nothing will be done.
If you want to condense my point, it is absolutely unfair to blame soccer for those 'recreational rioters' because soccer was their target.
The response to them from kinda soccer fans is a different story.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 05:39:07 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 05:16:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 04:22:38 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 03:12:33 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 02:06:18 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 01:46:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
In this specific case, there has been a problem for years with local youths launching whatever was to hand at away fans. DCFC have no control over outside the stadium, the PSNI refuse to deal with it. Some Bohs scrotes travelled independently to dish out some revenge.
So this was Derry shitehawks who have nothing to do with their local team versus Bohs pups who couldn't get a ticket for this even if they tried.
Yes, if there was no game, there was no trouble. But at the same time the game also had nothing to do with it
Read that sentence back and give yer head a wobble.
Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?
Been in Celtic Park countless times. And I'll tell you from experience re: the bit in bold - They're not.
And they have not.
And therefore, no opposing fans have ever had a 'pop back'
Because there is no culture of organised violence/hooliganism in the GAA
Gangs of hoods hell bent on an pre-arranged scrap just DONT EXIST in our games
It's a soccer thing and your time would be better spent trying to sort it out rather than projecting/deflecting onto other sports
Nobody decries the absence of cops at GAA games - because they are not needed
The desperation in your post is actually hilarious
Hold up.
Nobody is claiming the Derry side of this equation were Derry City fans. Nobody. They are local shites who attack soccer fans. Same time, same place. If there was a Derry CLG game under lights there is nothing to suggest they wouldn't move 100m up the road for their giggles. Same conditions exist - no cops, visiting fans, the full knowledge nothing will be done.
If you want to condense my point, it is absolutely unfair to blame soccer for those 'recreational rioters' because soccer was their target.
The response to them from kinda soccer fans is a different story.
But the evidence is available to refute that claim... There have been numerous Saturday evening games under lights in Celtic Park over the last few years. Including two league games against The Dubs. Did we see any videos, news reports, anecdotal observations about any trouble/attacks caused by locals?
BB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
Ah boys I hate to come to the aid of BB2, but Armagh fans had their own battle of the bogside with a local shower of scumbags bag in the late 90s/early 00's. A Championship Sunday i think it was, a couple of bus loads were caught up in proper rows. A long time ago but they were a rent a mob.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
Quote from: Estimator on July 29, 2025, 05:59:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 05:39:07 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 05:16:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 04:22:38 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 03:12:33 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 02:06:18 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 01:46:32 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 01:44:18 PMQuote from: Franko on July 29, 2025, 12:09:48 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2025, 05:02:00 PMQuote from: Franko on July 28, 2025, 11:32:37 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3511lx7v3o
The groundballers definitely have the hooligan issue well boxed off ::)
Below is a exhaustive list of things that you won't see at a GAA game this summer
1.
"At about 19:00 BST, prior to a game [...], the two large groups attacked each other with sticks, bats and iron bars and caused damage to buildings and parked cars."
Not exactly football specific, but carry on
I will. And you guys carry on booking the riot cops. You need them.
The lack of cops, of any description, is a large part of the issue here.
I'm not here to defend Bohs hangers on taking on Derry. But if you were at the game you wouldn't have especially noticed.
So its just the hanger on's which cause the problem? Just lads looking a riot and wear a scarf of any team to get into digs from other hanger on's from the other team?
In this specific case, there has been a problem for years with local youths launching whatever was to hand at away fans. DCFC have no control over outside the stadium, the PSNI refuse to deal with it. Some Bohs scrotes travelled independently to dish out some revenge.
So this was Derry shitehawks who have nothing to do with their local team versus Bohs pups who couldn't get a ticket for this even if they tried.
Yes, if there was no game, there was no trouble. But at the same time the game also had nothing to do with it
Read that sentence back and give yer head a wobble.
Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?
Been in Celtic Park countless times. And I'll tell you from experience re: the bit in bold - They're not.
And they have not.
And therefore, no opposing fans have ever had a 'pop back'
Because there is no culture of organised violence/hooliganism in the GAA
Gangs of hoods hell bent on an pre-arranged scrap just DONT EXIST in our games
It's a soccer thing and your time would be better spent trying to sort it out rather than projecting/deflecting onto other sports
Nobody decries the absence of cops at GAA games - because they are not needed
The desperation in your post is actually hilarious
Hold up.
Nobody is claiming the Derry side of this equation were Derry City fans. Nobody. They are local shites who attack soccer fans. Same time, same place. If there was a Derry CLG game under lights there is nothing to suggest they wouldn't move 100m up the road for their giggles. Same conditions exist - no cops, visiting fans, the full knowledge nothing will be done.
If you want to condense my point, it is absolutely unfair to blame soccer for those 'recreational rioters' because soccer was their target.
The response to them from kinda soccer fans is a different story.
But the evidence is available to refute that claim... There have been numerous Saturday evening games under lights in Celtic Park over the last few years. Including two league games against The Dubs. Did we see any videos, news reports, anecdotal observations about any trouble/attacks caused by locals?
Armagh as mentioned above.
Was that considered a GAA problem or a local sc**bag problem?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
And what links the two specific clubs *you* mentioned...?
Stop playing the thick.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
And what links the two specific clubs *you* mentioned...?
Stop playing the thick.
So what was this all about then? Thrashing around looking for anything to grasp at to deflect?
"Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?"
Quote from: bennydorano on July 29, 2025, 06:09:03 PMAh boys I hate to come to the aid of BB2, but Armagh fans had their own battle of the bogside with a local shower of scumbags bag in the late 90s/early 00's. A Championship Sunday i think it was, a couple of bus loads were caught up in proper rows. A long time ago but they were a rent a mob.
Vastly different cases
A gang of hoodlum soccer fans travelled from Dublin (by BB2's own admission) specifically for a fight - for no other reason
They didn't have tickets for the game and (again BB2) they couldn't have got one 'even if they tried'
This wasn't a spur of the moment thing - it was a pre-arranged riot and a culture of this thrives in soccer
Much as it pains our resident groundball aficionado - this phenomenon simply doesn't exist in the GAA
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:23:53 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
And what links the two specific clubs *you* mentioned...?
Stop playing the thick.
So what was this all about then? Thrashing around looking for anything to grasp at to deflect?
"Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?"
Are you seriously asking why some of the headbangers in Newry react differently when loyalist teams are in town?
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:30:29 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 29, 2025, 06:09:03 PMAh boys I hate to come to the aid of BB2, but Armagh fans had their own battle of the bogside with a local shower of scumbags bag in the late 90s/early 00's. A Championship Sunday i think it was, a couple of bus loads were caught up in proper rows. A long time ago but they were a rent a mob.
Vastly different cases
A gang of hoodlum soccer fans travelled from Dublin (by BB2's own admission) specifically for a fight - for no other reason
They didn't have tickets for the game and (again BB2) they couldn't have got one 'even if they tried'
This wasn't a spur of the moment thing - it was a pre-arranged riot and a culture of this thrives in soccer
Much as it pains our resident groundball aficionado - this phenomenon simply doesn't exist in the GAA
Not that vast.
If on their next visit the Armagh fans were aggressively defensive and got their retaliation in first, would the GAA have a culture of hooliganism?
Or would we be pointing to the absolute lack of any policing in the area as a problem?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2025, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:23:53 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
And what links the two specific clubs *you* mentioned...?
Stop playing the thick.
So what was this all about then? Thrashing around looking for anything to grasp at to deflect?
"Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?"
Are you seriously asking why some of the headbangers in Newry react differently when loyalist teams are in town?
No I'm not.
To quote yourself - "stop playing the thick"
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:52:11 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2025, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:23:53 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
And what links the two specific clubs *you* mentioned...?
Stop playing the thick.
So what was this all about then? Thrashing around looking for anything to grasp at to deflect?
"Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?"
Are you seriously asking why some of the headbangers in Newry react differently when loyalist teams are in town?
No I'm not.
To quote yourself - "stop playing the thick"
"So what was all this about?"
If the locals in Newry, as the example given is, come out to 'greet' Linfield and Glentoran, but not Cliftonville, is it a soccer issue or a broader social issue?
Serious question.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2025, 09:52:02 AMQuote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:30:29 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 29, 2025, 06:09:03 PMAh boys I hate to come to the aid of BB2, but Armagh fans had their own battle of the bogside with a local shower of scumbags bag in the late 90s/early 00's. A Championship Sunday i think it was, a couple of bus loads were caught up in proper rows. A long time ago but they were a rent a mob.
Vastly different cases
A gang of hoodlum soccer fans travelled from Dublin (by BB2's own admission) specifically for a fight - for no other reason
They didn't have tickets for the game and (again BB2) they couldn't have got one 'even if they tried'
This wasn't a spur of the moment thing - it was a pre-arranged riot and a culture of this thrives in soccer
Much as it pains our resident groundball aficionado - this phenomenon simply doesn't exist in the GAA
Not that vast.
If on their next visit the Armagh fans were aggressively defensive and got their retaliation in first, would the GAA have a culture of hooliganism?
Or would we be pointing to the absolute lack of any policing in the area as a problem?
IF groups of fans regularly travelled to games with the sole purpose of having a scrap with a group of opposition fans/locals - then absolutely the GAA would have a problem with hooliganism
And if that was the case, we wouldn't be complaining that it was the fault of the police
It's a culture within the sport
It attracts yobs like magpies to a bottle top
And by way of proving my point - since this incident Armagh have been back in Celtic Park many times
And guess what
Your hypothetical incident never happened
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2025, 09:57:04 AMQuote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:52:11 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2025, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:23:53 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
And what links the two specific clubs *you* mentioned...?
Stop playing the thick.
So what was this all about then? Thrashing around looking for anything to grasp at to deflect?
"Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?"
Are you seriously asking why some of the headbangers in Newry react differently when loyalist teams are in town?
No I'm not.
To quote yourself - "stop playing the thick"
"So what was all this about?"
If the locals in Newry, as the example given is, come out to 'greet' Linfield and Glentoran, but not Cliftonville, is it a soccer issue or a broader social issue?
Serious question.
OK I'll spell it out
You said that the Derry yobs were as likely to attack fans at Celtic Park as the Brandywell
You then went on to contend that the whole issue is nothing to do with soccer, but in fact it's orange v green
Clearly one of these statements by you is bullshit
Which is it?
The broader social issue, which takes place all across the UK, is that professional and semi professional soccer provides an arena for groups of young men to attach themselves as supporters, and engage in violence with other groups of attached supporters.
You can argue the toss about this one all you like. But it's a very real thing. It's very much a soccer thing only. And most of it can be traced to a) a culture that permeates hatred towards rivals, and b) a willingness by clubs to tolerate this culture, and and in some cases promote it as a healthy thing.
I grew up a stone's throw away from Celtic Park if you can excuse the pun. My parents still live there and are in their 60's now. Most people in the area are not interested in Gaelic games. Most of the young lads who would follow Derry City wouldn't have a notion that a Gaelic football match was to be played- never mind who was actually playing.
Personally I don't take my son to the Derry City games. He loves going to Celtic Park and we also go to watch Steelstown. The poison that is rife throughout soccer is really disgusting. It isn't a Derry City issue per se, more a societal one that is prevalent.
It is what annoys me when people Diss the area. Oh there is trouble because its the Brandywell. Yet 100 yards away 15k can attend a Gaelic match without any issues or segregation. That tells its own story.
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 10:02:55 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2025, 09:57:04 AMQuote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:52:11 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2025, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: Franko on July 30, 2025, 09:23:53 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 29, 2025, 06:10:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2025, 06:03:55 PMBB, Pairc Esler and Newry Showgrounds are 150m apart.
Esler has 5 times the capacity and 7-8 times the attendances. And there's no police presence, and no trouble.
Twice a year when Linfield play in Newry (or well, until recently when they got relegated), the local "recreational rioters" (as you describe them) come out to play. If they have good fun and get the right response from the opposition and the PSNI, they might pop in for Glentoran games too.
These crowds of 1500 odd people then need 20+ policemen to ensure things don't get entirely out of hand.
So tell me, why do the "recreational rioters' of towns as far apart d Newry and Derry, never target Gaelic Games in their area, but regularly target soccer in their area?
You answered your own question for Newry
No I didn't.
The only time a mob has gathered up in Newry the past 15 years, is for soccer matches.
And what links the two specific clubs *you* mentioned...?
Stop playing the thick.
So what was this all about then? Thrashing around looking for anything to grasp at to deflect?
"Have you ever been to Derry?
The local shites are just as likely to pop at fans at Celtic Park as they are the Brandywell. Literally next door. Same absence of cops. Would it be beyond reality for Dubs or Armagh fans to pop back? Would it then be simply GAA crowd trouble? Or a great deal more complicated?"
Are you seriously asking why some of the headbangers in Newry react differently when loyalist teams are in town?
No I'm not.
To quote yourself - "stop playing the thick"
"So what was all this about?"
If the locals in Newry, as the example given is, come out to 'greet' Linfield and Glentoran, but not Cliftonville, is it a soccer issue or a broader social issue?
Serious question.
OK I'll spell it out
You said that the Derry yobs were as likely to attack fans at Celtic Park as the Brandywell
You then went on to contend that the whole issue is nothing to do with soccer, but in fact it's orange v green
Clearly one of these statements by you is bullshit
Which is it?
But I didn't actually say either of those things.
I said last Friday was a great deal more complicated than a simple soccer dustup.
Stop digging.
Just cop on that it's a soccer problem.
I can go to any big GAA stadium and I'm not asked " home or away Section?"
It's a soccer problem that most clubs in England have stamped out. I was at Brentford (when they were still Championship at a game in Griffin Park. It was famous for having a ub on every corner and we duly pottered around.
Great craic with Brentford and Ipswich fans the exact same way as you would before any county match. Then last year I went to Wimbledon and again great day out, family fun, etc.
Then a few weeks back it was Shels v Pats and these wannabe Danny Dyers were marching down Drumcondra and next thing pint bottles and glasses were flying as they walked by the pub with Shels fans outside. Two Garda vans were trailing them.
The stupid thing was in the pub there were Pats and Shels fans chatting away having a drink. I really don't understand that craic at all. And it is a LOI thing with every club having scummers attached. It's a pity as overall the league is getting a lot of positivity.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 30, 2025, 11:31:53 AMIt's a soccer problem that most clubs in England have stamped out. I was at Brentford (when they were still Championship at a game in Griffin Park. It was famous for having a ub on every corner and we duly pottered around.
Great craic with Brentford and Ipswich fans the exact same way as you would before any county match. Then last year I went to Wimbledon and again great day out, family fun, etc.
Then a few weeks back it was Shels v Pats and these wannabe Danny Dyers were marching down Drumcondra and next thing pint bottles and glasses were flying as they walked by the pub with Shels fans outside. Two Garda vans were trailing them.
The stupid thing was in the pub there were Pats and Shels fans chatting away having a drink. I really don't understand that craic at all. And it is a LOI thing with every club having scummers attached. It's a pity as overall the league is getting a lot of positivity.
Seems that LOI soccer 'fans' are 25 years behind in terms of football hooliganism.
I notice there was a brawl at a Tyrone club game recently. Grass roots GAA men behaving like thugs. There was me thinking club people couldn't possibly be violent. Sure it is only band wagoners who are rowdy on the terraces isn't it?
Always nice to see my point being proven correct.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 30, 2025, 11:31:53 AMIt's a soccer problem that most clubs in England have stamped out. I was at Brentford (when they were still Championship at a game in Griffin Park. It was famous for having a ub on every corner and we duly pottered around.
Great craic with Brentford and Ipswich fans the exact same way as you would before any county match. Then last year I went to Wimbledon and again great day out, family fun, etc.
Then a few weeks back it was Shels v Pats and these wannabe Danny Dyers were marching down Drumcondra and next thing pint bottles and glasses were flying as they walked by the pub with Shels fans outside. Two Garda vans were trailing them.
The stupid thing was in the pub there were Pats and Shels fans chatting away having a drink. I really don't understand that craic at all. And it is a LOI thing with every club having scummers attached. It's a pity as overall the league is getting a lot of positivity.
Brentford and Ipswich is the equivalent of UCD v Athlone though. Go to West Ham v Chelsea...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 22, 2025, 12:10:21 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on July 30, 2025, 11:31:53 AMIt's a soccer problem that most clubs in England have stamped out. I was at Brentford (when they were still Championship at a game in Griffin Park. It was famous for having a ub on every corner and we duly pottered around.
Great craic with Brentford and Ipswich fans the exact same way as you would before any county match. Then last year I went to Wimbledon and again great day out, family fun, etc.
Then a few weeks back it was Shels v Pats and these wannabe Danny Dyers were marching down Drumcondra and next thing pint bottles and glasses were flying as they walked by the pub with Shels fans outside. Two Garda vans were trailing them.
The stupid thing was in the pub there were Pats and Shels fans chatting away having a drink. I really don't understand that craic at all. And it is a LOI thing with every club having scummers attached. It's a pity as overall the league is getting a lot of positivity.
Brentford and Ipswich is the equivalent of UCD v Athlone though. Go to West Ham v Chelsea...
It's not though is it?
Far less people attend soccer matches in Ireland, yet there is plenty of violence.
Thankfully the numbers are low!
Quote from: Fogarty on August 24, 2025, 07:18:30 PMFar less people attend soccer matches in Ireland, yet there is plenty of violence.
Thankfully the numbers are low!
Less then what? Plenty how?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62v366180do
BB2 - I thought this was all sorted?
And any new dust ups were just orange/green stuff?
CSKA fans seem like a lovely bunch...
Some absolute vermin attend soccer games for no other reason than to hurl abuse and row.
Quote from: Franko on July 17, 2026, 06:13:19 PMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62v366180do
BB2 - I thought this was all sorted?
And any new dust ups were just orange/green stuff?
I explicitly and unambiguously stated that the policing of soccer games in Derry is a problem and has been for years. Yesterday seems to have been particularly shambolic.
But they didn't have the dirty Dubs this time, they had serious Nazi hoolie types from the east who took their opportunity to run amock. And once they started it all kicked off and stayed kicked off.
Note the local youths were absolutely nowhere to be seen.
On a slightly interesting note, this was the first time the cops set foot in the Brandywell since 1970, after the game, to walk them back into the city.
Apparently the opposition ultras were walked past a stauch Derry City pub?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 18, 2026, 02:08:00 AMApparently the opposition ultras were walked past a stauch Derry City pub?
Maybe even 'guided' past it by the PSNI?
Quote from: marty34 on July 18, 2026, 08:30:46 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 18, 2026, 02:08:00 AMApparently the opposition ultras were walked past a stauch Derry City pub?
Maybe even 'guided' past it by the PSNI?
PSNI causing hassle in Derry? Well I never.
Rock and a hard place stuff. You can't run matches like that without the cops. The cops involvement made everything worse.
UEFA investigating both clubs
What's this got to do booze at GAA games?
Quote from: OakLeaf on July 19, 2026, 11:34:46 PMWhat's this got to do booze at GAA games?
Franko decided to deflect from some nonsense at games a few years ago into mad shit about soccer. Derry City became his example.
Quote from: OakLeaf on July 19, 2026, 11:34:46 PMWhat's this got to do booze at GAA games?
BB2 decided that the GAA had a BIGGER problem than soccer in terms of this hooliganism carry on.
And then - as 'I kid you not' moment number 2 - he stated that the groundballers had the issue 'sorted'
Every couple of weeks an incident seems to occur that makes a total nonsense of his contentions
I like to remind him periodically of his stupidity
I explicitly said sport in Ireland doesn't have a significant hooligan problem and to stop straining your vagina.
There wasn't an issue at soccer every couple of weeks. You just posted a story from years ago every few weeks. And then for bonus vagina straining points you started talking about crowbar and machetes.
Shocking scenes from wicklow last night.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/s/syrPDU2Q9b (https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/s/syrPDU2Q9b)
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 25, 2026, 08:04:13 AMShocking scenes from wicklow last night.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/s/syrPDU2Q9b (https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/s/syrPDU2Q9b)
Shocking. Didn't know there was any hurling in Wicklow.
Rathnew, some things never change.
Is the ref still in the boot? :o