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Is there any other organisation in the sporting world that appears as open to the whims of television and paper journalists as our beloved gaa. I wouldn't want Joe brolly or colm o rourke to have their noses put out of joint but it appears everyone wants to tell the gaa what to do...time to put the spotlight on the journalists who are writing the rules and.now attempting to have them selectively enforced to suit their own narrow agendas..
The GAA need to come out and name these journalists. These are professionals trying to call the shots in an amateur organisation by bullying through their own agenda. Why do these people feel they have anymore right than club members from around the country to change / influence the rules of our games? If the rules need changed they can motioned by clubs and voted on at congress. There seriously is a media bias that needs to be addressed!
As I said on another thread this is hardly an impartial source and the GAA cannot choose who phones them.
On saying that the media undoubtedly has an influence over who gets suspensions. I remember your good neighbours enforcing a media ban last year because they too were of that opinion.
Keep this thread here they will see it themselves.
One prominent arsehole scribe who writes for one of the major papers had a load of what was posted here yesterday in his column today.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 11, 2015, 10:03:22 PM
As I said on another thread this is hardly an impartial source and the GAA cannot choose who phones them.
On saying that the media undoubtedly has an influence over who gets suspensions. I remember your good neighbours enforcing a media ban last year because they too were of that opinion.
Kinda like RTE then?
is the squad strong enough once Tiernan inevitably gets the one-match ban?
With the massive Tyrone media backlash it will be hard to see how the officials whether it be subconscious or not can be impartial when refereeing Tyrone in the semi final. It will also likely take the edge off the Tyrone players who need to play on the borderline of the rules to stand any chance against Kerry. Imo Kerry would beat them regardless but I really feel with the general ill feeling that exists around Tyrone that Kerry could hand them their arses on a plate.
I don't think any potential ban has a chance of sticking giving the precedent to not do anything with Shields only a couple of weeks ago. We'll have Logie on the ball and Tiernan will be available to play.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
The GAA need to come out and name these journalists. These are professionals trying to call the shots in an amateur organisation by bullying through their own agenda. Why do these people feel they have anymore right than club members from around the country to change / influence the rules of our games? If the rules need changed they can motioned by clubs and voted on at congress. There seriously is a media bias that needs to be addressed!
When you get caught on National Television diving with no contact made- can you really blame the analysts for pointing out the bleeding obvious? Otherwise what's the point in having them on TV.
If Mc Cann doesn't dive - he doesn't get banned
Quote from: INDIANA on August 11, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
The GAA need to come out and name these journalists. These are professionals trying to call the shots in an amateur organisation by bullying through their own agenda. Why do these people feel they have anymore right than club members from around the country to change / influence the rules of our games? If the rules need changed they can motioned by clubs and voted on at congress. There seriously is a media bias that needs to be addressed!
When you get caught on National Television diving with no contact made- can you really blame the analysts for pointing out the bleeding obvious? Otherwise what's the point in having them on TV.
If Mc Cann doesn't dive - he doesn't get banned
If Shields doesn't dive, he doesn't get banned.
If Beggan doesn't dive, he doesn't get banned.
Oh no, wait, they did dive but didn't get banned.
Thin ice Indiana. Will everyone who dives get suspended from now on? I hate diving, but the Sunday game deciding what's worth a ban or not is a flimsy way to run disciplinary proceedings. This will be overturned and will be a f**king mess.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
Thin ice Indiana. Will everyone who dives get suspended from now on? I hate diving, but the Sunday game deciding what's worth a ban or not is a flimsy way to run disciplinary proceedings. This will be overturned and will be a f**king mess.
I dunno they usually don't hand out suspensions these days if the DRA are just going to turn them over
Quote from: INDIANA on August 11, 2015, 10:59:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
Thin ice Indiana. Will everyone who dives get suspended from now on? I hate diving, but the Sunday game deciding what's worth a ban or not is a flimsy way to run disciplinary proceedings. This will be overturned and will be a f**king mess.
I dunno they usually don't hand out suspensions these days if the DRA are just going to turn them over
Depends on the detail of referees report.
Simulation is yellow card, so must be more than that? Can't see it being upheld.
If true this opens potential floodgates with no tariff relating to the offence.
Seems like he is getting banned... Class!!!
In fairness I don't think the lad should be banned because there is no precedent for it but there should be something brought in on the back of this! (about 13/14 odd years too late though... How long has Sean Cavanagh been playing Senior football?).
It'll be thrown out!!
Here is the thing. We have individuals in the media who are using their positions to attempt to inflence officials in a sporting organisation to ban players or to adopt a harderline towards particular counties on the pitch and post match. This has been going on for years now and its not only Tyrone who have been subjected to it Kerry, Armagh and Donegal have all been at the sharp end of these individuals. What i would like to see is the betting slips of these impartial reporters.
Confirmed . . .
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 11:08:06 PM
Seems like he is getting banned... Class!!!
In fairness I don't think the lad should be banned because there is no precedent for it but there should be something brought in on the back of this! (about 13/14 odd years too late though... How long has Sean Cavanagh been playing Senior football?).
It'll be thrown out!!
Thats the funny thing he's been a serial offender at it for years and never banned once!
Another Ricey job from 2005!!
Tyrone's name' s on Sam this year!!!!
If Tiernan McCann is banned for 8 weeks, not a single pound should be given to the GAA by any Tyrone supporter for the rest of the year. Ye like the sterling lads.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 11, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
The GAA need to come out and name these journalists. These are professionals trying to call the shots in an amateur organisation by bullying through their own agenda. Why do these people feel they have anymore right than club members from around the country to change / influence the rules of our games? If the rules need changed they can motioned by clubs and voted on at congress. There seriously is a media bias that needs to be addressed!
When you get caught on National Television diving with no contact made- can you really blame the analysts for pointing out the bleeding obvious? Otherwise what's the point in having them on TV.
If Mc Cann doesn't dive - he doesn't get banned
It's not necessarily the McCann dive that my point was about. It's that journalists have chosen this to be part of their agenda and feel that they have the power to influence the GAA hierarchy (which they clearly do!) Why was this not on their agenda for the other incidents of diving which have occurred including Rory Beggan in the same game, which was also bleedingly obvious but wasn't pointed out? Is their a hierarchy of diving? In the rule book simulation is a yellow card offence, how can this be over ridden to warrant 8 weeks? How can a bunch of journalists feel they have the right to influence this and ride roughshod over the whole rule making process in the GAA?
If this 8 week ban stands then the GAA are leaving themselves open for a legal challenge where they don't have a leg to stand on and it looks like they can get bullied into making rash decision by the media.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2015, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 11, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
The GAA need to come out and name these journalists. These are professionals trying to call the shots in an amateur organisation by bullying through their own agenda. Why do these people feel they have anymore right than club members from around the country to change / influence the rules of our games? If the rules need changed they can motioned by clubs and voted on at congress. There seriously is a media bias that needs to be addressed!
When you get caught on National Television diving with no contact made- can you really blame the analysts for pointing out the bleeding obvious? Otherwise what's the point in having them on TV.
If Mc Cann doesn't dive - he doesn't get banned
It's not necessarily the McCann dive that my point was about. It's that journalists have chosen this to be part of their agenda and feel that they have the power to influence the GAA hierarchy (which they clearly do!) Why was this not on their agenda for the other incidents of diving which have occurred including Rory Beggan in the same game, which was also bleedingly obvious but wasn't pointed out? Is their a hierarchy of diving? In the rule book simulation is a yellow card offence, how can this be over ridden to warrant 8 weeks? How can a bunch of journalists feel they have the right to influence this and ride roughshod over the whole rule making process in the GAA?
If this 8 week ban stands then the GAA are leaving themselves open for a legal challenge where they don't have a leg to stand on and it looks like they can get bullied into making rash decision by the media. RTE
Fixed that.
Nothing rash about this. Salty tears of Tyrone anger will flow here for the next month now.
Got exactly what his actions deserved.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 11, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
The GAA need to come out and name these journalists. These are professionals trying to call the shots in an amateur organisation by bullying through their own agenda. Why do these people feel they have anymore right than club members from around the country to change / influence the rules of our games? If the rules need changed they can motioned by clubs and voted on at congress. There seriously is a media bias that needs to be addressed!
When you get caught on National Television diving with no contact made- can you really blame the analysts for pointing out the bleeding obvious? Otherwise what's the point in having them on TV.
If Mc Cann doesn't dive - he doesn't get banned
There was contact made (even if minimal).
Quote from: Syferus on August 11, 2015, 11:17:05 PM
Nothing rash about this. Salty tears of Tyrone anger will flow here for the next month now.
Got exactly what his actions deserved.
Did Micheal Shields deserve an 8 week ban?
So a whole raft of serial divers from club level upwards can now get straight reds for bringing the game into disrepute. My guess is that Sean Cavanagh won't last 15 minutes of the semi final.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 11, 2015, 11:12:50 PM
If Tiernan McCann is banned for 8 weeks, not a single pound should be given to the GAA by any Tyrone supporter for the rest of the year. Ye like the sterling lads.
Not give a pound how? Don't support Tyrone in the semi-final? Don't go to the club championship? How does that make sense?
Quote from: Syferus on August 11, 2015, 11:17:05 PM
Nothing rash about this. Salty tears of Tyrone anger will flow here for the next month now.
Got exactly what his actions deserved.
Not according to the rule book....not a chance of holding up and the CCCC will once more end up egg on their face.
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 11:09:58 PM
Confirmed . . .
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Never heard of that site.
If you take out their story about journalists phoning the CCCC, what are you left with? 'Our source in Croke Park' isn't much to bet your house on.
We are all over-reacting, to The Sunday Game overreaction to a daft reaction. No one ever learns.
There's no way it will stick and it will make the GAA look like a Mickey Mouse organisation and then the people who have caused the problem (i.e the Media) will point out that it is a Mickey Mouse organisation - you couldn't make it up! If you don't have to use the rule book why have one in the first place.
Quote from: muppet on August 11, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 11:09:58 PM
Confirmed . . .
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Never heard of that site.
If you take out their story about journalists phoning the CCCC, what are you left with? 'Our source in Croke Park' isn't much to bet your house on.
We are all over-reacting, to The Sunday Game overreaction to a daft reaction. No one ever learns.
They do a great job reporting on local and county football in Tyrone. Usually pretty much on the money when they report on Tyrone related issues to be fair.
Quote from: muppet on August 11, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 11:09:58 PM
Confirmed . . .
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Never heard of that site.
If you take out their story about journalists phoning the CCCC, what are you left with? 'Our source in Croke Park' isn't much to bet your house on.
We are all over-reacting, to The Sunday Game overreaction to a daft reaction. No one ever learns.
Philly Jordan is all over it too muppet, so I'm assuming it's true.
Tyrone GAA community will go into orbit on this one. This stinks to high heaven... how the fcuk can the CCCC be so stupid to bow to this. I bet Brolly distances himself on this one and expect him to make it clear he is not one of the Journalists in question. He knows very well how sensative people up here are about perceptions of equal treatment.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 12, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Tyrone GAA community will go into orbit on this one. This stinks to high heaven... how the fcuk can the CCCC be so stupid to bow to this. I bet Brolly distances himself on this one and expect him to make it clear he is not one of the Journalists in question. He knows very well how sensative people up here are about perceptions of equal treatment.
No one outside Tyrone gives a flying fûck about this journalist angle that's being peddled.
Ye're masters at defending the indefensible, I'll give ye that much.
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2015, 12:07:14 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 12, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Tyrone GAA community will go into orbit on this one. This stinks to high heaven... how the fcuk can the CCCC be so stupid to bow to this. I bet Brolly distances himself on this one and expect him to make it clear he is not one of the Journalists in question. He knows very well how sensative people up here are about perceptions of equal treatment.
No one outside Tyrone gives a flying fûck about this journalist angle that's being peddled.
Ye're masters at defending the indefensible, I'll give ye that much.
If you can't see the hypocrisy in this i suggest you take the f**king plank out of your eye. I ain't defending what McCann did but i will be fcuked if i will put up with subjecting one individual to a different set of rules to another just because of the colour of the jersey on his back.
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2015, 12:07:14 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 12, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Tyrone GAA community will go into orbit on this one. This stinks to high heaven... how the fcuk can the CCCC be so stupid to bow to this. I bet Brolly distances himself on this one and expect him to make it clear he is not one of the Journalists in question. He knows very well how sensative people up here are about perceptions of equal treatment.
No one outside Tyrone gives a flying fûck about this journalist angle that's being peddled.
Ye're masters at defending the indefensible, I'll give ye that much.
When has anyone defended McCann?
Everyone I've seen and heard from has ridiculed him (rightly so) and being from the county I would assume I've heard the opinion of many more Tyrone folk than yourself, so do me a favour and stop generalising us as "masters at defending the indefensible" based on the few trolls you've interacted with.
At the end of the day I've no problem with the man bans being handed out for diving, actions need put in place to deal with diving. I do however have a problem with a ban being handed for diving to one player and other players that have been caught diving not long before said incident getting off scot free, it smacks of hypocrisy.
The hypocrisy of the situation is pretty damn indefensible but you do a good job at defending it.
Lads - pay no heed to that gombeen - he's been at it for the last few years now.
Someone from Tyrone must have stolen a woman away from him at one time.
after the scandalous witch hunt by the southern media i am now fully behind Tyrone like never before. is it possible RTE will win us our 4th all-ireland with all their BS?. i've never seen a county as angry >:(
Quote from: clarshack on August 12, 2015, 12:39:15 AM
after the scandalous witch hunt by the southern media i am now fully behind Tyrone like never before. is it possible RTE will win us our 4th all-ireland with all their BS?. i've never seen a county as angry >:(
Maybe its all about ticket sales i am glad i have my request to club already in. I expect Tyrone to turn out in massive numbers for the semi.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 12, 2015, 12:47:44 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 12, 2015, 12:39:15 AM
after the scandalous witch hunt by the southern media i am now fully behind Tyrone like never before. is it possible RTE will win us our 4th all-ireland with all their BS?. i've never seen a county as angry >:(
Maybe its all about ticket sales i am glad i have my request to club already in. I expect Tyrone to turn out in massive numbers for the semi.
And so they should, most have not been at many games this year, judging by earlier attendances, and this is the last game.
I am in a bit of a quandary now.
I have no doubt that McCann deserves a ban. I have no doubt that such a penalty should have been given to every player who dived so blatantly over the last 12 years. But...rules cannot just be made up in the middle of the year. If this is to be the punishment have it in the rule book from the start of 2016.
I hope this is just a windup. If it is not then the media is really running the circus. Big Paul Grimley was mocked last year for taking a stance because he thought the media was unfairly influencing decisions. He may be proved right now.
I never like to see Tyrone win anything but everyone should be treated equally.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2015, 12:58:20 AMAnd so they should, most have not been at many games this year, judging by earlier attendances, and this is the last game.
ah bless
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 11, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 11:09:58 PM
Confirmed . . .
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Never heard of that site.
If you take out their story about journalists phoning the CCCC, what are you left with? 'Our source in Croke Park' isn't much to bet your house on.
We are all over-reacting, to The Sunday Game overreaction to a daft reaction. No one ever learns.
Philly Jordan is all over it too muppet, so I'm assuming it's true.
I believe the 8 week ban.
It is the conspiracy regarding journalists being behind it that I would like some proof for.
I find this ban hard to believe. If it is true, it will be easy enough to get him off. Regardless Harte shouldn't start McCann, his head will be frazzled from the whole affair.
I think you mean his hair
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2015, 12:07:14 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 12, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Tyrone GAA community will go into orbit on this one. This stinks to high heaven... how the fcuk can the CCCC be so stupid to bow to this. I bet Brolly distances himself on this one and expect him to make it clear he is not one of the Journalists in question. He knows very well how sensative people up here are about perceptions of equal treatment.
No one outside Tyrone gives a flying fûck about this journalist angle that's being peddled.
Ye're masters at defending the indefensible, I'll give ye that much.
Somebody get this precious little diva his dummy and rattle back.
Evidence of trash journalism en Sunday game and papers forcing their biased agendas. Disciplinary bodies need to be seen as impartial and in control.
No previous will to implement of rule despite similar incidents.
Yellow card offence in rule book.
Brolly reckons it's illegal
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 my view is the use of the specific provision is illegal. The law of statutory interpretation applies to any rule 1/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 the lawmaker ( Congress) has created a specific offence of simulation with a specific penalty ( yellow card). 2/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 Tiernan's only offence, as a matter of law, is simulation, since the lawmaker is presumed to mean what he says 3/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 if this were not so, then the disrepute provision could be used to override any offence, perverse though that would be 4/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 so for example, a striking offence could be charged as disrepute 5/6
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 the decision is therefore unlawful. It is a manipulation of the law to punish Tiernan more severely than the law allows 6/6
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2015, 12:07:14 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 12, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Tyrone GAA community will go into orbit on this one. This stinks to high heaven... how the fcuk can the CCCC be so stupid to bow to this. I bet Brolly distances himself on this one and expect him to make it clear he is not one of the Journalists in question. He knows very well how sensative people up here are about perceptions of equal treatment.
No one outside Tyrone gives a flying fûck about this journalist angle that's being peddled.
Ye're masters at defending the indefensible, I'll give ye that much.
So journalists are setting the agenda in the GAA hierarchy and you reckon nobody should give a "flying fcuk". Fair enough but it's a slippery old slope to be heading down.
Maybe someday if Roscommon ever become relevant enough for any journalist to actually give a "flying fcuk" about you and decide that one of your players needs a trial by media, bypassing the actual rule book, to get the player immediately suspended by the weak GAA hierarchy, then you just might feel differently. But I suppose, until you become relevant enough, you won't really understand.
Absolute trial by media bullshit. GAA shown itself to be a weak organisation pondering to the whims of the feckin Sunday Game pundits of all people. GAA definitely living up to its name as an amateur sport, absolute amateur-hour indeed. Pitiful
Some posters are saying that the Gaa are stupid and that this won't stand up.
Gaa want to change the rules on simulation down the line. There will be tears at next year's Congress.
Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
Quote from: doodaa on August 12, 2015, 09:29:50 AM
Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Charging Mc Cann is crazy whilst not charging James O'Donoghue who cheated to get a penalty to decide the outcome of the Munster final. Surely if Gaa were being consistent, James and a load of others who feigned injury, dived, poked people in the eye, hit lads a box in the back of the head, sledged, spat etc etc should get the discredit 8 week ban as has been proposed for MC Cann ?.
Cork county board issued a statement and said that but for the ref, they would have been in the semi final by now. Surely this should be considered to be disreputable ?.
Quote from: orangeman on August 12, 2015, 09:33:39 AM
Charging Mc Cann is crazy whilst not charging James O'Donoghue who cheated to get a penalty to decide the outcome of the Munster final. Surely if Gaa were being consistent, James and a load of others who feigned injury, dived, poked people in the eye, hit lads a box in the back of the head, sledged, spat etc etc should get the discredit 8 week ban as has been proposed for MC Cann ?.
Cork county board issued a statement and said that but for the ref, they would have been in the semi final by now. Surely this should be considered to be disreputable ?.
ah come on now . It wasn't a dive and it wasn't a penalty.
Looking forward to the Monaghan reaction when Rory Beggan gets his 8-week ban later in the week.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 12, 2015, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 12, 2015, 09:33:39 AM
Charging Mc Cann is crazy whilst not charging James O'Donoghue who cheated to get a penalty to decide the outcome of the Munster final. Surely if Gaa were being consistent, James and a load of others who feigned injury, dived, poked people in the eye, hit lads a box in the back of the head, sledged, spat etc etc should get the discredit 8 week ban as has been proposed for MC Cann ?.
Cork county board issued a statement and said that but for the ref, they would have been in the semi final by now. Surely this should be considered to be disreputable ?.
ah come on now . It wasn't a dive and it wasn't a penalty.
Exactly... where did it ever come out that O'Donoghue dove for the penalty?
Hi didn't dive for the penalty, it just wasn't a penalty.
But is Shields going to get 8 weeks for this?
https://amp.twimg.com/v/05cc491b-88fb-40c0-96df-0ebc8ab5b703 (https://amp.twimg.com/v/05cc491b-88fb-40c0-96df-0ebc8ab5b703)
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2015, 09:32:34 AM
Quote from: doodaa on August 12, 2015, 09:29:50 AM
Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
Rather than singling out young McCann who obviously hasn't learned how to do it correctly how about banning the entire Tyrone GAA establishment for 6 months.
Also can all their posters be banned from the GAABoard and no mention of Tyrone be allowed here either.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 10:10:44 AM
Rather than singling out young McCann who obviously hasn't learned how to do it correctly how about banning the entire Tyrone GAA establishment for 6 months.
Also can all their posters be banned from the GAABoard and no mention of Tyrone be allowed here either.
Yep, it'd be great craic discussing Roscommon all year. I'll start........erm, well.....where's the bus parked at this time of year?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2015, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 10:10:44 AM
Rather than singling out young McCann who obviously hasn't learned how to do it correctly how about banning the entire Tyrone GAA establishment for 6 months.
Also can all their posters be banned from the GAABoard and no mention of Tyrone be allowed here either.
Yep, it'd be great craic discussing Roscommon all year. I'll start........erm, well.....where's the bus parked at this time of year?
They are continuing to fill it in anticipation of a trip to the Athletic grounds where they can get their revenge. Hopefully they are not a busted flush.
Farcical decision that will be overturned easily. Diving needs sorted out and McCann was out if order but it needs to be tackled in a consistent manner in accordance to the GAA's own procedures.
Bunch of Feckin Muppets.
I'm sure Tiernan McCann, being the fine young man that he is, will welcome this opportunity to learn from his mistake.
Quote from: doodaa on August 12, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2015, 09:32:34 AM
Quote from: doodaa on August 12, 2015, 09:29:50 AM
Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
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I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
So the only retrospective punishment for diving should be embarrassment?
I've no problem retrospectively banning lads for diving. In fact I'd love to see it. But not mid way through a season, on a trumped up disrepute charge, when similar incidents in the same season have gone unpunished. That's just unfair.
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Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2015, 10:50:28 AM
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
So the only retrospective punishment for diving should be embarrassment?
What retrospective punishment do you think should be in place for diving and other yellow card offences that the ref missed?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
I've no problem retrospectively banning lads for diving. In fact I'd love to see it. But not mid way through a season, on a trumped up disrepute charge, when similar incidents in the same season have gone unpunished. That's just unfair.
+1
Exactly
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
I've no problem retrospectively banning lads for diving. In fact I'd love to see it. But not mid way through a season, on a trumped up disrepute charge, when similar incidents in the same season have gone unpunished. That's just unfair.
That's a separate argument to the one which seems to be along the lines that if a yellow card offence is missed during the game then you can't impose any penalty stronger than a yellow card, i.e. nothing.
Quote from: deiseach on August 12, 2015, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
I've no problem retrospectively banning lads for diving. In fact I'd love to see it. But not mid way through a season, on a trumped up disrepute charge, when similar incidents in the same season have gone unpunished. That's just unfair.
That's a separate argument to the one which seems to be along the lines that if a yellow card offence is missed during the game then you can't impose any penalty stronger than a yellow card, i.e. nothing.
So you think a fair retrospective punishment for a missed yellow card offence is an 8 week ban?? Jaysus, I'm getting my boots dusted off, they're going to need players.
But my real problem with this is the arbitrary nature of the retrospective suspension, which appears to be largely based on what the media want.
Quote from: deiseach on August 12, 2015, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
I've no problem retrospectively banning lads for diving. In fact I'd love to see it. But not mid way through a season, on a trumped up disrepute charge, when similar incidents in the same season have gone unpunished. That's just unfair.
That's a separate argument to the one which seems to be along the lines that if a yellow card offence is missed during the game then you can't impose any penalty stronger than a yellow card, i.e. nothing.
Are you seriously suggesting that every yellow card offence that is missed by a ref should be punished retrospectivley???
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:03:19 AM
So you think a fair retrospective punishment for a missed yellow card offence is an 8 week ban?? Jaysus, I'm getting my boots dusted off, they're going to need players.
We can discuss a happy medium if you wish, but given the choice between nothing and an 8 week ban, I'll go for the latter.
Pat McEnaney to propose a purple card for shenanigans that RTE don't like from next year (tut tut).
Grown men in tears again at next years congress.
WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Quote from: deiseach on August 12, 2015, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:03:19 AM
So you think a fair retrospective punishment for a missed yellow card offence is an 8 week ban?? Jaysus, I'm getting my boots dusted off, they're going to need players.
We can discuss a happy medium if you wish, but given the choice between nothing and an 8 week ban, I'll go for the latter.
I think you're building a strawman here deiseach. I have no problem with the concept of retrospectively banning players for diving. I'd welcome it.
What offends my sense of fairness about this case is the fact that other, similar, incidents have not been punished in the same way, and I believe that's largely because they didn't get highlighted in a similar manner in the media, or at least not to nearly the extent.
Punish cheats, but don't differentiate on the basis of media backlash.
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2015, 11:04:52 AM
Are you seriously suggesting that every yellow card offence that is missed by a ref should be punished retrospectivley???
No, not every yellow card offence. Just the diving. If you want 'consistency', then let's make diving a red card offence.
I think the problem here is also with your perspective.
If Paul Finlay done what he done in the premiership with a closed fist punch to the back of the head it would be the main area of concern not the simulation. You are all concerned about the reputation of your manly game that you prefer to ignore a cowardly and dangerous punch to the back of the head to get at a man who simulated.
retrospective yellow cards... g'way an shite... yid never be done arguing over that.. if yellows are missed in a match ye just hav to draw a line under it, if its the issue that u think a yellow isn't sufficient then let that be voted on at the appropriate time but all this talk is nonsense
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:03:19 AM
So you think a fair retrospective punishment for a missed yellow card offence is an 8 week ban?? Jaysus, I'm getting my boots dusted off, they're going to need players.
We can discuss a happy medium if you wish, but given the choice between nothing and an 8 week ban, I'll go for the latter.
I think you're building a strawman here deiseach. I have no problem with the concept of retrospectively banning players for diving. I'd welcome it.
What offends my sense of fairness about this case is the fact that other, similar, incidents have not been punished in the same way, and I believe that's largely because they didn't get highlighted in a similar manner in the media, or at least not to nearly the extent.
Punish cheats, but don't differentiate on the basis of media backlash.
Ah look. Where is the strawman in my argument? If people wish to propose that Tiernan McCann should get away with it because we don't have a firm procedure in place and we need to introduce one based on the fact that he is getting away with it, fine. I'm not seeing that argument beyond yourself though.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 11:12:22 AM
I think the problem here is also with your perspective.
If Paul Finlay done what he done in the premiership with a closed fist punch to the back of the head it would be the main area of concern not the simulation. You are all concerned about the reputation of your manly game that you prefer to ignore a cowardly and dangerous punch to the back of the head to get at a man who simulated.
It would, but only because using the fist would be seen as a particularly lurid action in the game of soccer. If he gave a guy a kick to the back of the legs, no one would be too bothered, at least not when set against an outrageous dive in the same game. As you say, it's about perspective.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:03:19 AM
So you think a fair retrospective punishment for a missed yellow card offence is an 8 week ban?? Jaysus, I'm getting my boots dusted off, they're going to need players.
We can discuss a happy medium if you wish, but given the choice between nothing and an 8 week ban, I'll go for the latter.
I think you're building a strawman here deiseach. I have no problem with the concept of retrospectively banning players for diving. I'd welcome it.
What offends my sense of fairness about this case is the fact that other, similar, incidents have not been punished in the same way, and I believe that's largely because they didn't get highlighted in a similar manner in the media, or at least not to nearly the extent.
Punish cheats, but don't differentiate on the basis of media backlash.
Ah look. Where is the strawman in my argument? If people wish to propose that Tiernan McCann should get away with it because we don't have a firm procedure in place and we need to introduce one based on the fact that he is getting away with it, fine. I'm not seeing that argument beyond yourself though.
The strawman is you seem to be saying, and apologies if this is not the case, that those against this particular suspension do not want to see diving punished retrospectively.
That's not my position. My position is you can't start punishing one lad retrospectively, in the middle of the season, while ignoring others who have done very similar things. In my view it is scapegoating, and goes against the principles of fairness. (Just as diving goes against the same principles by the way).
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:22:56 AM
The strawman is you seem to be saying, and apologies if this is not the case, that those against this particular suspension do not want to see diving punished retrospectively.
That's not my position. My position is you can't start punishing one lad retrospectively, in the middle of the season, while ignoring others who have done very similar things. In my view it is scapegoating, and goes against the principles of fairness. (Just as diving goes against the same principles by the way).
The argument by some seems to be that because it's a yellow card offence then it shouldn't be treated any differently to any other yellow card offence. if you are not in favour of hitting divers hard because it's no worse than any other yellow card offence then you really are not bothered by diving at all.
Fair enough. I agree with that.
I just don't agree you can suddenly decide to do it, while ignoring previous incidents, largely because Colm O'Rourke or Twitter says so. Sure that's no way to run an organisation.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
Its fairly evident that if we rely on embarrassment/shame as the punishment then this will continue to happen as some people have no shame at all.
There needs to be something a bit more robust than "embarrassment" as the punishment. Banning is the only tool the GAA have as they cant fine an amateur player.
I do agree with AZOffaly that mid season, reactionary disciplining of players is daft.
Much like the black card the GAA will make a haims of this situation as well then introduce something that doesn't work.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
In this case who caused the problem was it Cavanaugh or McManus?
JoG2, when did Cavanagh get the game stopped by 4/5 mins??? He was down for a good while after Finlay punched him on the back of the skull.
He is a serial offender at the cynical stuff but you're talking shite here, he got up pretty sharpish after the McManus dunt.
Quote from: doodaa on August 12, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
Its fairly evident that if we rely on embarrassment/shame as the punishment then this will continue to happen as some people have no shame at all.
There needs to be something a bit more robust than "embarrassment" as the punishment. Banning is the only tool the GAA have as they cant fine an amateur player.
I do agree with AZOffaly that mid season, reactionary disciplining of players is daft.
Much like the black card the GAA will make a haims of this situation as well then introduce something that doesn't work.
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. I don't think there is any appetite in any team sport to put down in black and white the kind of punishment that would nip diving in the bud. Everyone, whether consciously or not, wants leeway to be able to claim that their man wasn't
really diving. Only The Other would do that. We muddle on through with much posturing for good and against evil.
McCann has a terrible haircut....watching too much Geordie shore. CCCC need to take action.
I've argued for the same thing in soccer. A panel sits and reviews contentious incidents from the weekend and hands out bans based on their review. I think the clutching the face while flailing dramatically after no facial contact would be fairly easy to identify.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Could you stick up some video of this. I was at the game so did not have the advantage of TV coverage so would be interested to see it..
1. Consistency is desirable. (But to suggest that absolute consistency is possible is laughable.)
2. The fact that TSG is allowed to be the biggest influence on the disciplinary procedures of the GAA is indefensible.
3. Diving (either to get a free or to simulate injury, but the latter twice as much as the former) is unacceptable and doing something effective to stop it is imperative. This, if it sticks is, I'd say the most effective measure that could have been taken and even more so because of the frenzy of publicity. Even if it doesn't stick, I don't think the next potential diver will say to himself, "I'll just have a little flop down here because the DRA says it's OK".
So, balancing all considerations, a good day for the game.
I disagree. Any time an association is seen to be making up inconsistent punishments to placate a media or social media frenzy is a bad day for the game. Deal with it properly and I'm fully on board.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Could you stick up some video of this. I was at the game so did not have the advantage of TV coverage so would be interested to see it..
no. you'll have to take my good word for it or someone you know must have sky + . Be warned, watching Sean Cavanagh pretend he's injured isn't very exciting
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
I disagree. Any time an association is seen to be making up inconsistent punishments to placate a media or social media frenzy is a bad day for the game. Deal with it properly and I'm fully on board.
A reasonable position, but in this case, in the battle between proper and effective, I'm for effective. This will get the message out.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
I disagree. Any time an association is seen to be making up inconsistent punishments to placate a media or social media frenzy is a bad day for the game. Deal with it properly and I'm fully on board.
A reasonable position, but in this case, in the battle between proper and effective, I'm for effective. This will get the message out.
What message though? I think the message it gets out is 'We're sick of Tyrone'. That's wrong.
I propose the following law regarding the field of GAA:
Every overreaction has an equal and opposite overreaction.
The expanded version would be:
The pressure (P) hysterically applied, multiplied by the numbers of high profile people (I) applying it, is equal to the level of daftness (s) of the subsequent response (S), and nothing is ever constant.
Or PI=sS
What should I call it?
McCann's Maxim.
CCCC Dictum?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
I disagree. Any time an association is seen to be making up inconsistent punishments to placate a media or social media frenzy is a bad day for the game. Deal with it properly and I'm fully on board.
A reasonable position, but in this case, in the battle between proper and effective, I'm for effective. This will get the message out.
What message though? I think the message it gets out is 'We're sick of Tyrone'. That's wrong.
What's wrong with it? We are sick of them.
Seriously, I think the message is, 'we're sick of diving'. I think everybody other than the Tyrone whinge chorus here laughs at the "Southern media/Southern GAA/free state bastards out to get us" nonsense. It should be embarrassing but large numbers of them seem to be unembarrassable.
The Knee Jerk Principle I think.
All to the good if the jerking knee is imparting a good boot in the hole.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Could you stick up some video of this. I was at the game so did not have the advantage of TV coverage so would be interested to see it..
The best I can get is this - about 1.30 in
http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/#!/clip/734/
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
The Knee Jerk Principle I think.
What's being forgot here, is the identification of the journalists who were lifting the phone to Croke Park?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
I disagree. Any time an association is seen to be making up inconsistent punishments to placate a media or social media frenzy is a bad day for the game. Deal with it properly and I'm fully on board.
A reasonable position, but in this case, in the battle between proper and effective, I'm for effective. This will get the message out.
What message though? I think the message it gets out is 'We're sick of Tyrone'. That's wrong.
What's wrong with it? We are sick of them.
Seriously, I think the message is, 'we're sick of diving'. I think everybody other than the Tyrone whinge chorus here laughs at the "Southern media/Southern GAA/free state b**tards out to get us" nonsense. It should be embarrassing but large numbers of them seem to be unembarrassable.
The thing is Hardy, I always laughed at that too, but how do we explain away the fact that we have 4 cases below of men feigning injury in order to get opponents in trouble. In no incident was the diver punished retrospectively. Then we have Tiernan McCann do something very similar, and whammo, although not before a Colm O'Rourke rant.
I agree with the sentiment re. diving, but I suppose the old maxim applies as far as I'm concerned. Justice must be done, but Justice must also be seen to be done. In this case it appears unjust to me to treat one lad differently.
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098 (http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098)
Quote from: Bensars on August 12, 2015, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
The Knee Jerk Principle I think.
What's being forgot here, is the identification of the journalists who were lifting the phone to Croke Park?
I'm not so sure I believe that to be honest.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 12, 2015, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
The Knee Jerk Principle I think.
What's being forgot here, is the identification of the journalists who were lifting the phone to Croke Park?
I'm not so sure I believe that to be honest.
Well the rest of the story has been 100% accurate. ( before the information became public knowledge)
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
The Knee Jerk Principle I think.
What's being forgot here, is the identification of the journalists who were lifting the phone to Croke Park?
In all of this mess, that in true GAA style continues to grow, this is the most laughable part of it all. Like some Chinese whisper that a number of journalists have a hotline to the CCCC and can call the shots. Media reaction is one thing but this is extremely unlikely. Laughable even.
The dive was unsightly, no question and none of us want to see that sort of thing.
However it is almost always done in a split second so it is instinctive rather than coldly malicious. A lad might already regret it within a couple of seconds. Frankie Dolan and Ray Connelly springs to mind, where Connelly was sent off but Dolan, who had dived, was trying to change the refs mind. (At least that is how I remember that - correct me if I am wrong).
The real problem with the dive is that the officials failed to see it and thus failed to act accordingly. This is the real problem in my opinion. The discussions should be how to deal with this, or how to provide more information or assistance, in real time, to the beleaguered referees to help them deal with diving as it happens. Even with the Connelly example I mentioned the ref wouldn't change his mind even though Dolan told him (I think) he wasn't hit.
Banning a fella for 8 weeks, with no precedent, and considering Brolly's legal argument, leaves a very sour taste and is worse behaviour, in my opinion, than the behaviour that they are trying to deter.
Right sentiment maybe, but very poor execution.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
I disagree. Any time an association is seen to be making up inconsistent punishments to placate a media or social media frenzy is a bad day for the game. Deal with it properly and I'm fully on board.
A reasonable position, but in this case, in the battle between proper and effective, I'm for effective. This will get the message out.
What message though? I think the message it gets out is 'We're sick of Tyrone'. That's wrong.
What's wrong with it? We are sick of them.
Seriously, I think the message is, 'we're sick of diving'. I think everybody other than the Tyrone whinge chorus here laughs at the "Southern media/Southern GAA/free state b**tards out to get us" nonsense. It should be embarrassing but large numbers of them seem to be unembarrassable.
The thing is Hardy, I always laughed at that too, but how do we explain away the fact that we have 4 cases below of men feigning injury in order to get opponents in trouble. In no incident was the diver punished retrospectively. Then we have Tiernan McCann do something very similar, and whammo, although not before a Colm O'Rourke rant.
I agree with the sentiment re. diving, but I suppose the old maxim applies as far as I'm concerned. Justice must be done, but Justice must also be seen to be done. In this case it appears unjust to me to treat one lad differently.
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098 (http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098)
AZ, we could debate this all day. You're not wrong and my position can justly be attacked as the old "bring back Lugs Branagan" syndrome. Be that as it may, if this has the desired effect in making a huge contribution to eradicating the one aspect of the game I abhor above all else, I'll be happy. And I'll come back to restore the justice at a later date. We can get to the new rules at the next congress and I'll be happy to apologise to McCann then for his unjust treatment.
As regards consistency, as I said, it's impossible in the absolute. And in any case, there are degrees of culpability that can excuse, to some extent, the differences in treatment. Shields's behaviour was abominable. But at least there was contact in his case. To that extent, McCann's was even worse. As bad as the worst I've seen in any sport, Rivaldo included. The fact that we ignored something else shouldn't mean we have to ignore that, if the greater good is better served by doing something effective to put a stop to this.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:47:53 AM
I've argued for the same thing in soccer. A panel sits and reviews contentious incidents from the weekend and hands out bans based on their review. I think the clutching the face while flailing dramatically after no facial contact would be fairly easy to identify.
They do this in MLS now
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
And it doesn't bother you at all Hardy, that the GAA are setting themselves up perfectly as a laughing stock with seat of the pants decisions such as these? That's sure to instil implicit respect for the rules, not to mention relieving referees of the absolute necessity of enforcing the rules as they are; pandemonium here we come.
Edit Oh, and you can take your embarrassment and shove it as far up your Meath hole as you can manage.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:14:46 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2015, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
I disagree. Any time an association is seen to be making up inconsistent punishments to placate a media or social media frenzy is a bad day for the game. Deal with it properly and I'm fully on board.
A reasonable position, but in this case, in the battle between proper and effective, I'm for effective. This will get the message out.
What message though? I think the message it gets out is 'We're sick of Tyrone'. That's wrong.
What's wrong with it? We are sick of them.
Seriously, I think the message is, 'we're sick of diving'. I think everybody other than the Tyrone whinge chorus here laughs at the "Southern media/Southern GAA/free state b**tards out to get us" nonsense. It should be embarrassing but large numbers of them seem to be unembarrassable.
The thing is Hardy, I always laughed at that too, but how do we explain away the fact that we have 4 cases below of men feigning injury in order to get opponents in trouble. In no incident was the diver punished retrospectively. Then we have Tiernan McCann do something very similar, and whammo, although not before a Colm O'Rourke rant.
I agree with the sentiment re. diving, but I suppose the old maxim applies as far as I'm concerned. Justice must be done, but Justice must also be seen to be done. In this case it appears unjust to me to treat one lad differently.
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098 (http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098)
AZ, we could debate this all day. You're not wrong and my position can justly be attacked as the old "bring back Lugs Branagan" syndrome. Be that as it may, if this has the desired effect in making a huge contribution to eradicating the one aspect of the game I abhor above all else, I'll be happy. And I'll come back to restore the justice at a later date. We can get to the new rules at the next congress and I'll be happy to apologise to McCann then for his unjust treatment.
As regards consistency, as I said, it's impossible in the absolute. And in any case, there are degrees of culpability that can excuse, to some extent, the differences in treatment. Shields's behaviour was abominable. But at least there was contact in his case. To that extent, McCann's was even worse. As bad as the worst I've seen in any sport, Rivaldo included.
You are heavily coloured in your perspective Hardy - The Aidan O Mahony is the worst ever seen in Irish sport... well since Pat Spillane.
The fact that we ignored something else shouldn't mean we have to ignore that, if the greater good is better served by doing something effective to put a stop to this.
Were the members of the cccc on the drink when they decided to propose 8 weeks ?
I'd love to hear what they say at the Hearings / Appeals committee to justify their actions. I hope their logic / rationale is made public for future reference.
Quote from: orangeman on August 12, 2015, 12:40:17 PM
Were the members of the cccc on the drink when they decided to propose 8 weeks ?
I'd love to hear what they say at the Hearings / Appeals committee to justify their actions. I hope their logic / rationale is made public for future reference.
That would be helpful all right.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/)
Brolly wrote on Twitter: "My view is the use of the specific provision is illegal. The law of statutory interpretation applies to any rule. The lawmaker (Congress) has created a specific offence of simulation with a specific penalty (yellow card).
"Tiernan's only offence, as a matter of law, is simulation, since the lawmaker is presumed to mean what he says. If this were not so, then the disrepute provision could be used to override any offence, perverse though that would be. So, for example, a striking offence could be charged as disrepute.
"The decision is therefore unlawful. It is a manipulation of the law to punish Tiernan more severely than the law allows.
"The central point is that feigning is feigning. The penalty is a yellow card. How can any single act of feigning be worse? The point of the rule is to create certainty for the player & the GAA. If misconduct can override it the rule is worthless."
Brolly concluded: "The case is most certainly headed for the DRA."
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Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
AZ has made the point on here better than I could but if this was the first ever incident of diving to occur in the GAA and we were setting a precedent, then I'd be happy to accept that Tiernan McCann's silly actions deserve a retrospective ban and if 8 weeks was what was decided then fair enough. However, there is a bigger picture here and the GAA have to be very careful that they are not seen to be driven by the media and must not be seen to be acting in a way that is descriminatory towards one county. The Micheal Shields, Aiden O'Mahony, Aiden O'Se etc incidents have (whether we like it or not) set the precedent here and unless a rule is passed at congress then this can only be considered unfair to single out a player and county for retrospective punishment greater than a yellow card.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Freudian slip? :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Freudian slip dive? :)
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 12:45:26 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/)
Brolly wrote on Twitter: "My view is the use of the specific provision is illegal. The law of statutory interpretation applies to any rule. The lawmaker (Congress) has created a specific offence of simulation with a specific penalty (yellow card).
"Tiernan's only offence, as a matter of law, is simulation, since the lawmaker is presumed to mean what he says. If this were not so, then the disrepute provision could be used to override any offence, perverse though that would be. So, for example, a striking offence could be charged as disrepute.
"The decision is therefore unlawful. It is a manipulation of the law to punish Tiernan more severely than the law allows.
"The central point is that feigning is feigning. The penalty is a yellow card. How can any single act of feigning be worse? The point of the rule is to create certainty for the player & the GAA. If misconduct can override it the rule is worthless."
Brolly concluded: "The case is most certainly headed for the DRA."
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And there's Brolly defending the young lad when all you Tyronies think he's against youse... his mother's from Tyrone y'know... "ye bastards!!"
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2015, 12:38:53 PM
And it doesn't bother you at all Hardy, that the GAA are setting themselves up perfectly as a laughing stock with seat of the pants decisions such as these? That's sure to instil implicit respect for the rules, not to mention relieving referees of the absolute necessity of enforcing the rules as they are; pandemonium here we come.
Edit Oh, and you can take your embarrassment and shove it as far up your Meath hole as you can manage.
Sorry, Fear, but I'll ignore your insults anyway (not like you - you must be feeling the pressure of defending the indefensible) and I won't be paying much attention to your attempts at debate if you still stand by this:
#Under5sKnowTheBleedingHandOnHeadRuleYouNumptyHughes
You can feel free, in the light of cool reflection, to withdraw that beyond-Mickey-Hartish mealy-mouthedness in blaming the victim for the crime.
Oops! Where's my Men in Black memory eraser! I do not condone Tiernan's actions.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Freudian slip dive? :)
There was contact with the keyboard so is he bringing the board into disrepute?
Ziggy, us Tyrone men need to stick together, don't ban me!
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 12:53:11 PM
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Freudian slip dive? :)
There was contact with the keyboard so is he bringing the board into disrepute?
I dunno, I'm going to ask Colm O'Rourke.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Nothing unreasonable in what you say (apart from the laughable description of hair-tousling as "contact" in the sense of a hit). I've already explained my reasons for favouring effective action over agonising about procedure in a case where the soul of the game is up for grabs. I have no problem with your disagreement but I don't think I can add anything to what I've said.
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Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 12:56:35 PM
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Freudian slip dive? :)
There was contact with the keyboard so is he bringing the board into disrepute?
I dunno, I'm going to ask Colm O'Rourke.
He's on the phone to Ziggy as I type.......
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
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Colm Parkinson: Tyrone must take heads out of sand
Colm O'Rourke and Ciaran Whelan were on the money on the Sunday game regarding Tyrone's antics on Saturday.
The reaction from ex-Tyrone players and supporters has been a familiar one. The general tone of the comments have been that O'Rourke played on dirty Meath teams and Whelan was no angel himself, so they have no business criticising Tyrone.
That sort of response completely misses the point. Tyrone football has been involved in a number of unsavoury incidents over the past decade, from club to inter-county. It can't always be someone else's fault.
We saw diving, feigning injury, sledging and goading from their brilliant '03 to '08 All-Ireland winning teams. Any criticism was put down to Kerry or Armagh, or whoever they beat, being sore losers.
In club football, Derrytresk were accused of some shocking behaviour against Dromid Pearces in Portlaoise a few years ago. After that game the Dromid manager said: "I have to say our players were provoked. The tactics they had in beating us, I didn't agree with."
We regularly hear of violence in club football in Tyrone. We hear of Joe McMahon getting his jaw broken and a referee and ladies football chairman getting beaten up by supporters after a ladies football match. Carrickmore and Dromore had an all-out brawl during a league final not too long ago.
After this year's All-Ireland U-21 final, Tipperary refused the Tyrone manager, Feargal, Logan entry into their dressing-room because of the antics of Tyrone players towards the end of the game. Another sore loser?
Declan Bonner felt like quitting the game because of comments made by a Tyrone player to his Donegal minor captain about his father who had passed away. Tyrone denied that too.
In May, the Tyrone seniors were involved in a bad-tempered game with Donegal and it was the same against Monaghan on Saturday.
When Monaghan played Donegal we saw a much more sporting game.
Former Tyrone star Brian McGuigan was on the show on Monday night. He said that because the All-Ireland-winning teams he played on had players who liked to goad opponents, club players and younger fans were probably looking on thinking this is the way to go.
Underage star Kyle Coney tweeted after the McCann dive "Winning's all that matters. I'd dive like Tom Daley if it was called for.!!"
A culture of "winning is all that matters" has developed in Tyrone. If this group of Tyrone players got inspiration from the last generation - who, it must be said, were one the best teams in the history of the GAA - I shudder to think what the next generation will be like.
Irish Independent
Interesting to read McGuigans take on it which I'd agree with. Tyrone fans would do well to admit they have a problem with the way they play the game rather than keep their heads buried in the sand. Coney's admission is also very telling as to the culture that exists within that particular county.
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Brolly wrote on Twitter: "My view is the use of the specific provision is illegal. The law of statutory interpretation applies to any rule. The lawmaker (Congress) has created a specific offence of simulation with a specific penalty (yellow card).
"Tiernan's only offence, as a matter of law, is simulation, since the lawmaker is presumed to mean what he says. If this were not so, then the disrepute provision could be used to override any offence, perverse though that would be. So, for example, a striking offence could be charged as disrepute.
"The decision is therefore unlawful. It is a manipulation of the law to punish Tiernan more severely than the law allows.
"The central point is that feigning is feigning. The penalty is a yellow card. How can any single act of feigning be worse? The point of the rule is to create certainty for the player & the GAA. If misconduct can override it the rule is worthless."
Brolly concluded: "The case is most certainly headed for the DRA."
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And there's Brolly defending the young lad when all you Tyronies think he's against youse... his mother's from Tyrone y'know... "ye b**tards!!"
He's not defending McCann, he's defending the rules of the association.
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Colm Parkinson: Tyrone must take heads out of sand
Colm O'Rourke and Ciaran Whelan were on the money on the Sunday game regarding Tyrone's antics on Saturday.
The reaction from ex-Tyrone players and supporters has been a familiar one. The general tone of the comments have been that O'Rourke played on dirty Meath teams and Whelan was no angel himself, so they have no business criticising Tyrone.
That sort of response completely misses the point. Tyrone football has been involved in a number of unsavoury incidents over the past decade, from club to inter-county. It can't always be someone else's fault.
We saw diving, feigning injury, sledging and goading from their brilliant '03 to '08 All-Ireland winning teams. Any criticism was put down to Kerry or Armagh, or whoever they beat, being sore losers.
In club football, Derrytresk were accused of some shocking behaviour against Dromid Pearces in Portlaoise a few years ago. After that game the Dromid manager said: "I have to say our players were provoked. The tactics they had in beating us, I didn't agree with."
We regularly hear of violence in club football in Tyrone. We hear of Joe McMahon getting his jaw broken and a referee and ladies football chairman getting beaten up by supporters after a ladies football match. Carrickmore and Dromore had an all-out brawl during a league final not too long ago.
After this year's All-Ireland U-21 final, Tipperary refused the Tyrone manager, Feargal, Logan entry into their dressing-room because of the antics of Tyrone players towards the end of the game. Another sore loser?
Declan Bonner felt like quitting the game because of comments made by a Tyrone player to his Donegal minor captain about his father who had passed away. Tyrone denied that too.
In May, the Tyrone seniors were involved in a bad-tempered game with Donegal and it was the same against Monaghan on Saturday.
When Monaghan played Donegal we saw a much more sporting game.
Former Tyrone star Brian McGuigan was on the show on Monday night. He said that because the All-Ireland-winning teams he played on had players who liked to goad opponents, club players and younger fans were probably looking on thinking this is the way to go.
Underage star Kyle Coney tweeted after the McCann dive "Winning's all that matters. I'd dive like Tom Daley if it was called for.!!"
A culture of "winning is all that matters" has developed in Tyrone. If this group of Tyrone players got inspiration from the last generation - who, it must be said, were one the best teams in the history of the GAA - I shudder to think what the next generation will be like.
Irish Independent
Interesting to read McGuigans take on it which I'd agree with. Tyrone fans would do well to admit they have a problem with the way they play the game rather than keep their heads buried in the sand. Coney's admission is also very telling as to the culture that exists within that particular county.
Are you saying we are the Italians of the GAA?
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Nothing unreasonable in what you say (apart from the laughable description of hair-tousling as "contact" in the sense of a hit). I've already explained my reasons for favouring effective action over agonising about procedure in a case where the soul of the game is up for grabs. I have no problem with your disagreement but I don't think I can add anything to what I've said.
Fair enough points, however, the contact involved in Shields, O'Mahoney and Lundy's cases were equally laughable.
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 12, 2015, 01:06:25 PM
Colm Parkinson: Tyrone must take heads out of sand
Colm O'Rourke and Ciaran Whelan were on the money on the Sunday game regarding Tyrone's antics on Saturday.
The reaction from ex-Tyrone players and supporters has been a familiar one. The general tone of the comments have been that O'Rourke played on dirty Meath teams and Whelan was no angel himself, so they have no business criticising Tyrone.
That sort of response completely misses the point. Tyrone football has been involved in a number of unsavoury incidents over the past decade, from club to inter-county. It can't always be someone else's fault.
We saw diving, feigning injury, sledging and goading from their brilliant '03 to '08 All-Ireland winning teams. Any criticism was put down to Kerry or Armagh, or whoever they beat, being sore losers.
In club football, Derrytresk were accused of some shocking behaviour against Dromid Pearces in Portlaoise a few years ago. After that game the Dromid manager said: "I have to say our players were provoked. The tactics they had in beating us, I didn't agree with."
We regularly hear of violence in club football in Tyrone. We hear of Joe McMahon getting his jaw broken and a referee and ladies football chairman getting beaten up by supporters after a ladies football match. Carrickmore and Dromore had an all-out brawl during a league final not too long ago.
After this year's All-Ireland U-21 final, Tipperary refused the Tyrone manager, Feargal, Logan entry into their dressing-room because of the antics of Tyrone players towards the end of the game. Another sore loser?
Declan Bonner felt like quitting the game because of comments made by a Tyrone player to his Donegal minor captain about his father who had passed away. Tyrone denied that too.
In May, the Tyrone seniors were involved in a bad-tempered game with Donegal and it was the same against Monaghan on Saturday.
When Monaghan played Donegal we saw a much more sporting game.
Former Tyrone star Brian McGuigan was on the show on Monday night. He said that because the All-Ireland-winning teams he played on had players who liked to goad opponents, club players and younger fans were probably looking on thinking this is the way to go.
Underage star Kyle Coney tweeted after the McCann dive "Winning's all that matters. I'd dive like Tom Daley if it was called for.!!"
A culture of "winning is all that matters" has developed in Tyrone. If this group of Tyrone players got inspiration from the last generation - who, it must be said, were one the best teams in the history of the GAA - I shudder to think what the next generation will be like.
Irish Independent
Interesting to read McGuigans take on it which I'd agree with. Tyrone fans would do well to admit they have a problem with the way they play the game rather than keep their heads buried in the sand. Coney's admission is also very telling as to the culture that exists within that particular county.
Are you saying we are the Italians of the GAA?
I never mentioned the Italians, I'm saying you are simply the Tyrone of gaelic football. Will do anything necessary to get an advantage even if I'm not sure it actually does give you an advantage in the long run. The lack of goodwill towards Tyrone from neutrals has already become so ingrained that I believe officials will be unavoidably influenced by Tyrone's reputation. I can imagine the bile in the stands towards Tyrone in the Kerry match will translate itself to both the Tyrone players and the officials to create a negativity which will not help them in any way shape or form to stand any chance against Kerry. All because of a few dives and incidents of cynicism that had no bearing on the Monaghan result as they would have won the game regardless.
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Quote from: Hardy on August 12, 2015, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Hardy, I'm am surprised at your take on this, you appear to be a logical man and dislike the yerra/wink-wink nudge-nudge culture and this case couldn't be any further from basic logic. The whole thing stinks of bias and you're point about there at least being contact with Shields is patently wrong as there was contact between Hughes and McCann as well. If that was your red line then the book should have been thrown at Lundy, the Slaughtneil man tackled the ball and Lundy dropped holding his face. Are you going to start measuring the pressure of contact to determine yellow card v disrepute?
As AZ is continually pointing out (alongside irrefutable video evidence) there is significant amount of, recent, precedent that can be used to dump the disrepute charge on it's head. This is a farcical, agenda driven issue that is fuelled by the bias of certain individuals in the media and in this instance your own bias.
Just to be clear as well, I completely condone Tiernan's actions and the cynical nature of the current Tyrone team is embarrassing. However, the issue needs tackled on a nationwide basis and through the proper channels.
Nothing unreasonable in what you say (apart from the laughable description of hair-tousling as "contact" in the sense of a hit). I've already explained my reasons for favouring effective action over agonising about procedure in a case where the soul of the game is up for grabs. I have no problem with your disagreement but I don't think I can add anything to what I've said.
Fair enough points, however, the contact involved in Shields, O'Mahoney and Lundy's cases were equally laughable.
AFAIK, only the O'Mahony case led to the player being sent off. In the other cases the referee either wasn't fooled or correctly saw the contact as not being worthy of a red card.
For me the solution is to help the refs get it right. A red card being issued is as important as a dubious point. We introduced Hawkeye, which I think was a success to try to deal with the latter, so surely we can sort out the simulation versus red card issue and have it dealt with in the context of the game.
For example, banning McCann isn't much good to Monaghan now. Having 15 players for the last 10 minutes might have helped though.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
Wouldn't the most sensible thing to do have been announce a major rethink or emergency congress or whatever the hell they want to call it in the Autumn on sanctions for simulation. Not some ridiculous punishment with 3 games left.
You would have to gather that those behind this 8-week shite are incredibly stupid.
Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Wouldn't the most sensible thing to do have been announce a major rethink or emergency congress or whatever the hell they want to call it in the Autumn on sanctions for simulation. Not some ridiculous punishment with 3 games left.
You would have to gather that those behind this 8-week shite are incredibly stupid.
In future, they should schedule one the week after Monaghan play Tyrone in Croker as it generally needs some rule change afterwards. A bit of planning would help the lads schedule themselves down for a good old rule making session.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Wouldn't the most sensible thing to do have been announce a major rethink or emergency congress or whatever the hell they want to call it in the Autumn on sanctions for simulation. Not some ridiculous punishment with 3 games left.
You would have to gather that those behind this 8-week shite are incredibly stupid.
In future, they should schedule one the week after Monaghan play Tyrone in Croker as it generally needs some rule change afterwards. A bit of planning would help the lads schedule themselves down for a good old rule making session.
GAAAAAAARRRGHHH!!! BCBSCT.
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F*ck I'd have carded the Cork man for intent, regardless of what Connelly did.
Was thinking the same :)
I thought the same
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Wouldn't the most sensible thing to do have been announce a major rethink or emergency congress or whatever the hell they want to call it in the Autumn on sanctions for simulation. Not some ridiculous punishment with 3 games left.
You would have to gather that those behind this 8-week shite are incredibly stupid.
Cant argue with that ^^^^^
The 8 week ban will be lifted by the end of next week id imagine, if not before!
What a stupid knee jerk reaction. Not the way forward.
Would like to see the GAA operate a similar set up to the rugby TMO with a separate referee sat up in the stands who can watch a replay immediately after an incident and either make a call that the incident should be watched again before being dealt with OR be available for the pitch ref to consult if he did not see what happened.
For the sake of 30-60 seconds we could eliminate many subsequent investigations, punishments, appeals and knee jerk reactions like McCann's 8 week ban.
Quote from: general_lee on August 12, 2015, 02:31:29 PM
What a stupid knee jerk reaction. Not the way forward.
Would like to see the GAA operate a similar set up to the rugby TMO with a separate referee sat up in the stands who can watch a replay immediately after an incident and either make a call that the incident should be watched again before being dealt with OR be available for the pitch ref to consult if he did not see what happened.
For the sake of 30-60 seconds we could eliminate many subsequent investigations, punishments, appeals and knee jerk reactions like McCann's 8 week ban.
That's a good sensible idea but would be very difficult to implement in grounds around the country.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
a: you guys are saying he didn't feign injury - hogwash
b: asking me to provide or upload these specific video clips - how do i do this and I will try my very best?
to quote Brolly (you know the guy you boys are now listening to?):
"The Invisible Man resumed his vendetta on the Cavanagh brothers"
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
Yeah, the sheep are following well from what they hear on TV or read in the press ...
That knob Brolly wrote that Sean Cavanagh lay down and wasted time on 53 mins and Colm did the same on 70 mins when they apparently "went down after minor contact" - You have to laugh at all this - Sean was rabbit punched to the back of the head swiftly followed by a punch in the Jaw and Colm was badly taken out of it by Hughes .....
Dara O'Se on Sky said of Finlays incident with Sean Cavanagh .. "Ah sure der was notin in it" .. Conning the ref again .. well he's said that for every free Tyrone got in their last 3 matches .... No, no witch hunt here !!
Hideous Stuff !
I wonder were these your examples JoG2 ? .... Baaaaaaaaa
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2015, 12:38:53 PM
And it doesn't bother you at all Hardy, that the GAA are setting themselves up perfectly as a laughing stock with seat of the pants decisions such as these? That's sure to instil implicit respect for the rules, not to mention relieving referees of the absolute necessity of enforcing the rules as they are; pandemonium here we come.
Edit Oh, and you can take your embarrassment and shove it as far up your Meath hole as you can manage.
Sorry, Fear, but I'll ignore your insults anyway (not like you - you must be feeling the pressure of defending the indefensible) and I won't be paying much attention to your attempts at debate if you still stand by this:
#Under5sKnowTheBleedingHandOnHeadRuleYouNumptyHughes
You can feel free, in the light of cool reflection, to withdraw that beyond-Mickey-Hartish mealy-mouthedness in blaming the victim for the crime.
I'll take that as a resounding 'No', so.
Nope, nothing that was expressed in the immediate aftermath of that 'battle' shall be retracted, absolutely not (well not exactly nothing, but not that anyway), and just because Mc Cann has no one to blame but himself does not mean that there were no (avoidable) contributory factors.
Edit you needn't shove that embarrassment up your hole, I wasn't being serious.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
Yeah, the sheep are following well from what they hear on TV or read in the press ...
That knob Brolly wrote that Sean Cavanagh lay down and wasted time on 53 mins and Colm did the same on 70 mins when they apparently "went down after minor contact" - You have to laugh at all this - Sean was rabbit punched to the back of the head swiftly followed by a punch in the Jaw and Colm was badly taken out of it by Hughes .....
Dara O'Se on Sky said of Finlays incident with Sean Cavanagh .. "Ah sure der was notin in it" .. Conning the ref again .. well he's said that for every free Tyrone got in their last 3 matches .... No, no witch hunt here !!
Hideous Stuff !
I wonder were these your examples JoG2 ?
classy stuff...you believe Cavanagh didn't feign injury during that game? You are clearly wrong.
Remember the Colin Lynch affair? The same argument, that applying a retrospective punishment on him would represent a fatal undermining of the rule of law within the GAA and respect for referees, was advanced back then. There's a legitimate argument to be made that it isn't fair. But the idea that the centre won't be able to hold if the ban on Tiernan McCann is made to stick is bats.
That was different. They were about to play Offaly.
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What a stupid knee jerk reaction. Not the way forward.
Would like to see the GAA operate a similar set up to the rugby TMO with a separate referee sat up in the stands who can watch a replay immediately after an incident and either make a call that the incident should be watched again before being dealt with OR be available for the pitch ref to consult if he did not see what happened.
For the sake of 30-60 seconds we could eliminate many subsequent investigations, punishments, appeals and knee jerk reactions like McCann's 8 week ban.
That's a good sensible idea but would be very difficult to implement in grounds around the country.
I wouldn't have thought so. All that is needed is a camera and a live feed to a monitor.
Virtually every inter county game is recorded nowadays. Sure even Armagh county board will be live-streaming junior championship matches online this weekend.
It might be a bit too pragmatic though.
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
Yeah, the sheep are following well from what they hear on TV or read in the press ...
That knob Brolly wrote that Sean Cavanagh lay down and wasted time on 53 mins and Colm did the same on 70 mins when they apparently "went down after minor contact" - You have to laugh at all this - Sean was rabbit punched to the back of the head swiftly followed by a punch in the Jaw and Colm was badly taken out of it by Hughes .....
Dara O'Se on Sky said of Finlays incident with Sean Cavanagh .. "Ah sure der was notin in it" .. Conning the ref again .. well he's said that for every free Tyrone got in their last 3 matches .... No, no witch hunt here !!
Hideous Stuff !
I wonder were these your examples JoG2 ?
classy stuff...you believe Cavanagh didn't feign injury during that game? You are clearly wrong.
Good man .. point it out then .. You were talking about Colm Cavanagh .. Tell us when he feigned injury or stop talking nonsense ?
Checks JoG2's location - all makes sense now
Who was the co commentator on sky TV. He was a bollix against Tyrone at the weekend.
Was it not Dara O'Se?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 12, 2015, 03:43:02 PM
Was it not Dara O'Se?
Ye, D O'Se .... Every Single free we got in the last 3 matches were con jobs apparently ... Unbelievable !!
And yeah, I see what poor old GoG2's problem is now right enough :-)
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
a: you guys are saying he didn't feign injury - hogwash
b: asking me to provide or upload these specific video clips - how do i do this and I will try my very best?
to quote Brolly (you know the guy you boys are now listening to?):
"The Invisible Man resumed his vendetta on the Cavanagh brothers"
Sean does have a reputation for going down easily but I think JB's dislike for Sean is coloring his perception of Colm.
Colm did have a reputation for theatrics (slapping the ground and complaining) but he has reined that in over the past 2-3 years.
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 01:29:55 PM
For example, banning McCann isn't much good to Monaghan now. Having 15 players for the last 10 minutes might have helped though.
Was there not a certain black card about to be handed to Hughes anyway?
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For example, banning McCann isn't much good to Monaghan now. Having 15 players for the last 10 minutes might have helped though.
Was there not a certain black card about to be handed to Hughes anyway?
There was a black card coming for Hughes for rugby tackling Colm Cavanagh, hence the referee already had his notebook out. It was the easiest decision Duffy had to make all day. Monaghan had made their six subs at this stage and if Duffy had black carded Hughes, as looked inevitable, Monaghan were down to 14 players
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For example, banning McCann isn't much good to Monaghan now. Having 15 players for the last 10 minutes might have helped though.
Was there not a certain black card about to be handed to Hughes anyway?
Was Hughes on a Yellow? If not they would have been back to 15.
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For example, banning McCann isn't much good to Monaghan now. Having 15 players for the last 10 minutes might have helped though.
Was there not a certain black card about to be handed to Hughes anyway?
Was Hughes on a Yellow? If not they would have been back to 15.
They'd used all their subs by the 60th minute. To avoid any doubt they were
Dick Clerkin for Lennon
Owen Duffy for McAnespie
Drew Wylie for Corey
Dermot Malone for McAdam
Paul Finlay for Gallogly
Christopher McGuinness for K Duffy,
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
Yeah, the sheep are following well from what they hear on TV or read in the press ...
That knob Brolly wrote that Sean Cavanagh lay down and wasted time on 53 mins and Colm did the same on 70 mins when they apparently "went down after minor contact" - You have to laugh at all this - Sean was rabbit punched to the back of the head swiftly followed by a punch in the Jaw and Colm was badly taken out of it by Hughes .....
Dara O'Se on Sky said of Finlays incident with Sean Cavanagh .. "Ah sure der was notin in it" .. Conning the ref again .. well he's said that for every free Tyrone got in their last 3 matches .... No, no witch hunt here !!
Hideous Stuff !
I wonder were these your examples JoG2 ?
classy stuff...you believe Cavanagh didn't feign injury during that game? You are clearly wrong.
Good man .. point it out then .. You were talking about Colm Cavanagh .. Tell us when he feigned injury or stop talking nonsense ?
no, the Cavanagh who lay feigning injuries for 4/5 mins on separate occasions. Colm's not a while pile better
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Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 01:29:55 PM
For example, banning McCann isn't much good to Monaghan now. Having 15 players for the last 10 minutes might have helped though.
Was there not a certain black card about to be handed to Hughes anyway?
Was Hughes on a Yellow? If not they would have been back to 15.
They'd used all their subs by the 60th minute. To avoid any doubt they were
Dick Clerkin for Lennon
Owen Duffy for McAnespie
Drew Wylie for Corey
Dermot Malone for McAdam
Paul Finlay for Gallogly
Christopher McGuinness for K Duffy,
Fair enough, but does that not mean the simulation was effectively worthless then? In fact he risked a yellow card for himself for no possible benefit?
Bizarrely yes. The whole thing was pointless. He didn't even need to go to ground to kill time because Richie Donnelly and Colm Cavanagh were already down with genuine injuries- Richie's still sporting a black eye.
A few of the more inexperienced Tyrone fellas had been getting involved in some pointless stuff a couple of minutes before that and Colm Cavanagh had given them a right bollocking. They'll know better the next time. There's a way to go about killing off a game, getting involved in handbags isn't it.
The only man happy with the outcome of this whole handling is Eamon Fitzmaurice. Kerry kicked 7-16 against Kildare and there's not been a word about them
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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread but this 8 week ban is probably very harsh considering, as other people have pointed out, that there was no action against Michael Shields in the Munster Final.
HOWEVER, I think most GAA supporters would agree that this diving/ simulation/ trying to get people sent off is a blight on the game.
A strong message needs sent out to try and eradicate it so its probably something that needs to happen.
It is unfortunate for Tyrone that its their man that has been highlighted.
It was highlighted about Michael Shields weeks ago but no action was taken.
Had an 8 week ban been handed out then to Shields, McCann may not have considered diving for fear of retribution and this hoohaa surrounding it wouldn't be taking place.
Some county was going to suffer the consequences of this eventually as the GAA weren't going to let this happen indefinitely.
Tyrone are the unfortunate ones.
But why should Shields have got an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence?
Fair point.
Should it be more than a yellow card offence for there to be an effective way of removing these actions from our game?
But Cavanaugh took a dive when he got a tip in the belly from McManus. Is that worthy of a ban too? There was more contact than McCann got, but no less of a dive. Where does the line get drawn?
But to be honest, that's all irrelevant. It does not matter what any individual thinks should be the punishment, all that matters is that the rulebook states that feigning injury is a yellow card offence.
I've no problem with McCann being embarrassed, and every single diver / injury feigner on their team having their manliness being called into question - but banning any of them for it is just ridiculous!
This case really winds me up - Cavanaugh is well to the side from where McManus is running - Mc Manus moves towards him with his elbow jutting out and bangs into him. Cavanaugh falls down. He didn't instigate the incident and somehow it's his fault for falling down. If McManus had breezed past him, never touching him and Cavanaugh had fallen down then yes accuse him of cheating but this is ridiculous.
Cavanagh feigned injury (cheating)at least twice in the match resulting in no football being played (you know, the reason everyone tunes in) for about 4/5 mins...you're trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a serial offender
Can you please let us know when these 2 incidents happened .. i.e. what was the game time ?
ah for crying out loud, watch the game back if you have to, or don't believe me, its up to yourself
So you cant tell me the times then ? ...... Ive watched the game twice and can see no dives from C Cavanagh .. thats why I ask..
You surely should be able to back up your claims?
I asked the same, apparently he can't.
Yeah, the sheep are following well from what they hear on TV or read in the press ...
That knob Brolly wrote that Sean Cavanagh lay down and wasted time on 53 mins and Colm did the same on 70 mins when they apparently "went down after minor contact" - You have to laugh at all this - Sean was rabbit punched to the back of the head swiftly followed by a punch in the Jaw and Colm was badly taken out of it by Hughes .....
Dara O'Se on Sky said of Finlays incident with Sean Cavanagh .. "Ah sure der was notin in it" .. Conning the ref again .. well he's said that for every free Tyrone got in their last 3 matches .... No, no witch hunt here !!
Hideous Stuff !
I wonder were these your examples JoG2 ?
classy stuff...you believe Cavanagh didn't feign injury during that game? You are clearly wrong.
Good man .. point it out then .. You were talking about Colm Cavanagh .. Tell us when he feigned injury or stop talking nonsense ?
no, the Cavanagh who lay feigning injuries for 4/5 mins on separate occasions. Colm's not a while pile better
Great, we're getting somewhere .. we have it narrowed down to one .. So can you please tell me what time these incidents happened at so I can go watch them tonight?
I've not read through all 12 pages of this yet but 2 points
1. Do a wee experiment on yer friends where you come at them with yer hands at speed to the top of their head and see what their reaction is. I've done it twice today
2. I think this ban is done to show that Tyrone are out of control and won't accept the ban or any rules and so they will then say "See they always try to wriggle out of suspensions, even when totally guilty"
I am not keen to get into this too much today but some points I have is.
McCann & McAliskey were both guilty of feigning injuries and it looks very bad.
As I said months ago Mickey Harte obviously does not give out to his players or punish them for this behavior which sends out the signal its OK to do this. If all managers put an end to this shite then it would soon eradicate out of our game.
Ye can close a game out without resorting to this shite and I for one HATE that Tyrone do it but like so many others have said we always seem to be the scape goat and the difference between the Southern media and Northern media on the whole thing is very interesting.
It will be some crack if we get to the final with NO RTE coverage on Tyrone at all.
Barelegs, if you watch the last 10 mins or so you will see Monaghan were the ones that started throwing their weight about. We had the game won and Finlay for one was a disgrace and he probably will retire now going out on a red card which for such a good player is a shame. But of course you and so many other Tyrone haters hardly have mentioned Monaghan's punching and sly hits when the realised the game was over for them.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
I've not read through all 12 pages of this yet but 2 points
1. Do a wee experiment on yer friends where you come at them with yer hands at speed to the top of their head and see what their reaction is. I've done it twice today
2. I think this ban is done to show that Tyrone are out of control and won't accept the ban or any rules and so they will then say "See they always try to wriggle out of suspensions, even when totally guilty"
I am not keen to get into this too much today but some points I have is.
McCann & McAliskey were both guilty of feigning injuries and it looks very bad.
As I said months ago Mickey Harte obviously does not give out to his players or punish them for this behavior which sends out the signal its OK to do this. If all managers put an end to this shite then it would soon eradicate out of our game.
Ye can close a game out without resorting to this shite and I for one HATE that Tyrone do it but like so many others have said we always seem to be the scape goat and the difference between the Southern media and Northern media on the whole thing is very interesting.
It will be some crack if we get to the final with NO RTE coverage on Tyrone at all.
Barelegs, if you watch the last 10 mins or so you will see Monaghan were the ones that started throwing their weight about. We had the game won and Finlay for one was a disgrace and he probably will retire now going out on a red card which for such a good player is a shame. But of course you and so many other Tyrone haters hardly have mentioned Monaghan's punching and sly hits when the realised the game was over for them.
What??!!??!!
Have not read the thread at all. If from what I hear an effort is being made to suspend the Tyrone player in question........... don't worry. The attempt will be laughed out the door as soon as the Tyrone guys show the tapes of previous ahem "dives" which went unpunished.
End of.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
I've not read through all 12 pages of this yet but 2 points
1. Do a wee experiment on yer friends where you come at them with yer hands at speed to the top of their head and see what their reaction is. I've done it twice today
2. I think this ban is done to show that Tyrone are out of control and won't accept the ban or any rules and so they will then say "See they always try to wriggle out of suspensions, even when totally guilty"
I am not keen to get into this too much today but some points I have is.
McCann & McAliskey were both guilty of feigning injuries and it looks very bad.
As I said months ago Mickey Harte obviously does not give out to his players or punish them for this behavior which sends out the signal its OK to do this. If all managers put an end to this shite then it would soon eradicate out of our game.
Ye can close a game out without resorting to this shite and I for one HATE that Tyrone do it but like so many others have said we always seem to be the scape goat and the difference between the Southern media and Northern media on the whole thing is very interesting.
It will be some crack if we get to the final with NO RTE coverage on Tyrone at all.
Barelegs, if you watch the last 10 mins or so you will see Monaghan were the ones that started throwing their weight about. We had the game won and Finlay for one was a disgrace and he probably will retire now going out on a red card which for such a good player is a shame. But of course you and so many other Tyrone haters hardly have mentioned Monaghan's punching and sly hits when the realised the game was over for them.
Fuzzman, I'm from Tyrone! I know what Monaghan did. How Kieran Hughes last 70 minutes was laughable. How Paul Finlay got off with his first punch of Sean Cavanagh was ridiculous. I don't think Meyler did anything wrong and I don't think McAliskey was feigning injury, as you seem to. He was hit late off the ball by McAdam and took his time getting to his feet.
That doesn't take away from the point that Hughes was getting a black card and McCann had no need to pretend he's been hit by a haymaker. Both were at fault. Hughes' hand shouldn't have been near his head.
How Duffy escapes in all this is beyond a joke
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
Do a wee experiment on yer friends where you come at them with yer hands at speed to the top of their head and see what their reaction is. I've done it twice today
:o
Quote from: deiseach on August 12, 2015, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
Do a wee experiment on yer friends where you come at them with yer hands at speed to the top of their head and see what their reaction is. I've done it twice today
:o
Tried it on two lads.
One threw his arms around me and declared his undying love, while I got a black eye from the other.
Is there anywhere to watch the last 10 or 15 minutes again? I was at the game and thought Monaghan were by far the worst offenders but the meeja have almost brainwashed me in the last few days that it was in fact ISIS that were on the pitch (along with the pigeons) for the last quarter ;)
Quote from: doodaa on August 12, 2015, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Wouldn't the most sensible thing to do have been announce a major rethink or emergency congress or whatever the hell they want to call it in the Autumn on sanctions for simulation. Not some ridiculous punishment with 3 games left.
You would have to gather that those behind this 8-week shite are incredibly stupid.
Cant argue with that ^^^^^
The 8 week ban will be lifted by the end of next week id imagine, if not before!
Can we wait until it is actually implemented before lifting it? McGinn and teamtalk have got great mileage out of this story. Maybe not true at all, or maybe the reaction to this leak (if true) will show them it is a bad idea which they will now never announce?
Quote from: barelegs on August 12, 2015, 05:02:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
I've not read through all 12 pages of this yet but 2 points
1. Do a wee experiment on yer friends where you come at them with yer hands at speed to the top of their head and see what their reaction is. I've done it twice today
2. I think this ban is done to show that Tyrone are out of control and won't accept the ban or any rules and so they will then say "See they always try to wriggle out of suspensions, even when totally guilty"
I am not keen to get into this too much today but some points I have is.
McCann & McAliskey were both guilty of feigning injuries and it looks very bad.
As I said months ago Mickey Harte obviously does not give out to his players or punish them for this behavior which sends out the signal its OK to do this. If all managers put an end to this shite then it would soon eradicate out of our game.
Ye can close a game out without resorting to this shite and I for one HATE that Tyrone do it but like so many others have said we always seem to be the scape goat and the difference between the Southern media and Northern media on the whole thing is very interesting.
It will be some crack if we get to the final with NO RTE coverage on Tyrone at all.
Barelegs, if you watch the last 10 mins or so you will see Monaghan were the ones that started throwing their weight about. We had the game won and Finlay for one was a disgrace and he probably will retire now going out on a red card which for such a good player is a shame. But of course you and so many other Tyrone haters hardly have mentioned Monaghan's punching and sly hits when the realised the game was over for them.
Fuzzman, I'm from Tyrone! I know what Monaghan did. How Kieran Hughes last 70 minutes was laughable. How Paul Finlay got off with his first punch of Sean Cavanagh was ridiculous. I don't think Meyler did anything wrong and I don't think McAliskey was feigning injury, as you seem to. He was hit late off the ball by McAdam and took his time getting to his feet.
That doesn't take away from the point that Hughes was getting a black card and McCann had no need to pretend he's been hit by a haymaker. Both were at fault. Hughes' hand shouldn't have been near his head.
How Duffy escapes in all this is beyond a joke
McAliskey was definitely struck and it was a red card but he didn't do himself any favours by making the most of it and then hopping up when we got the ball over it.
Have a read of this verbal diarrhea from Conor Heneghan
http://www.joe.ie/sport/thetoughest-issue-is-the-reported-eight-week-ban-for-tyrones-tiernan-mccann-fair/507930
I stopped reading after he tried to justify the whole thing with this statement:
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
Who is this Heneghan character anyway? Who give him a licence to spout this drivel backed up by outright lies?
Your first mistake was reading anything on joe f**king dot ie ;D
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 12, 2015, 10:35:16 PM
Have a read of this verbal diarrhea from Conor Heneghan
http://www.joe.ie/sport/thetoughest-issue-is-the-reported-eight-week-ban-for-tyrones-tiernan-mccann-fair/507930
I stopped reading after he tried to justify the whole thing with this statement:
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
Who is this Heneghan character anyway? Who give him a licence to spout this drivel backed up by outright lies?
You didn't read it properly at all did you?
You saw the headline and the red (hand) mist descended rapidly, leading to be outraged no matter what you read.
There are two arguments in that article, one for and one against. Conor Heneghan argued
against the ban but you quoted from the guy who was arguing for the ban.
You are not on the CCCC by any chance?
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924) "He's cleverly running down the clock, here. Very, Very good play from Kerry" (McHugh).
Have a wee look at colm parkinson in the indo. The cub is a complete tool. Apparently bad stuff happens in tyrone all the time including a ref taking a hiding from one set of supporters. C.f. ladies ref got punched. Ffs if ye want to publish an opinion in the paper at least get the basic facts right. Breheny talkin some sense tho so must be opposite day
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 12, 2015, 10:35:16 PM
Have a read of this verbal diarrhea from Conor Heneghan
http://www.joe.ie/sport/thetoughest-issue-is-the-reported-eight-week-ban-for-tyrones-tiernan-mccann-fair/507930
I stopped reading after he tried to justify the whole thing with this statement:
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
Who is this Heneghan character anyway? Who give him a licence to spout this drivel backed up by outright lies?
You didn't read it properly at all did you?
You saw the headline and the red (hand) mist descended rapidly, leading to be outraged no matter what you read.
There are two arguments in that article, one for and one against. Conor Heneghan argued against the ban but you quoted from the guy who was arguing for the ban.
You are not on the CCCC by any chance?
You didnt read my post properly did you?
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924) "He's cleverly running down the clock, here. Very, Very good play from Kerry" (McHugh).
It isn't McHugh and he was obviously referring to the soloing the ball, keeping possession. Canning referred to it as well ('ball retention').
The paranoia is getting to epic proportions. But the pandemic of whataboutery has to stop.
The ban was utterly wrong.
I will be amazed if it isn't overturned on appeal.
There will be another incident in the semi-finals to outrage pundits. And on we will go again.
No one will be outraged after the final as 'the best team won'.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 12, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 12, 2015, 10:35:16 PM
Have a read of this verbal diarrhea from Conor Heneghan
http://www.joe.ie/sport/thetoughest-issue-is-the-reported-eight-week-ban-for-tyrones-tiernan-mccann-fair/507930
I stopped reading after he tried to justify the whole thing with this statement:
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
Who is this Heneghan character anyway? Who give him a licence to spout this drivel backed up by outright lies?
You didn't read it properly at all did you?
You saw the headline and the red (hand) mist descended rapidly, leading to be outraged no matter what you read.
There are two arguments in that article, one for and one against. Conor Heneghan argued against the ban but you quoted from the guy who was arguing for the ban.
You are not on the CCCC by any chance?
You didnt read my post properly did you?
I think you need to read the article again.
Tiernan has always been there for the Killyclgher club, always willing to help out. He is a true Gael.
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 10:53:24 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 12, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 12, 2015, 10:35:16 PM
Have a read of this verbal diarrhea from Conor Heneghan
http://www.joe.ie/sport/thetoughest-issue-is-the-reported-eight-week-ban-for-tyrones-tiernan-mccann-fair/507930
I stopped reading after he tried to justify the whole thing with this statement:
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
Who is this Heneghan character anyway? Who give him a licence to spout this drivel backed up by outright lies?
You didn't read it properly at all did you?
You saw the headline and the red (hand) mist descended rapidly, leading to be outraged no matter what you read.
There are two arguments in that article, one for and one against. Conor Heneghan argued against the ban but you quoted from the guy who was arguing for the ban.
You are not on the CCCC by any chance?
You didnt read my post properly did you?
I think you need to read the article again.
I already said I stopped reading it
Fair enuff wrong man but his name was at the head of the article
So who the feck is this Conan Doherty? What sort of journalist backs up his articles with lies?
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924) "He's cleverly running down the clock, here. Very, Very good play from Kerry" (McHugh).
It isn't McHugh and he was obviously referring to the soling the ball, keeping possession. Canning referred to it as well ('ball retention').
The paranoia is getting to epic proportions. But the pandemic of whataboutery has to stop.
The ban was utterly wrong.
I will be amazed if it isn't overturned on appeal.
There will be another incident in the semi-finals to outrage pundits. And on we will go again.
No one will be outraged after the final as 'the best team won'.
"Cleverly running down the clock here, very, very good play from kerry"-those two phrases very obviously compliment each other and the intent of this statement is that both the ball retention and O'Donoghue feigning injury are positive actions. "Cynically running down the clock here, a part of Kerry's game we don't like to see but unfortunately do all to often, the referee should take action" Hundreds of thousands of people now remember that incident with a negative skew. There is no paranoia or anything like it here-Tyrone fans have become numb to the double standards in the media. However, some people need reminding of what actually goes on in games involving counties other than Tyrone. The more images like this flying around the better to ground some of the buffoons who's imaginations are running wild about Tyrone and only Tyrone.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2015, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924) "He's cleverly running down the clock, here. Very, Very good play from Kerry" (McHugh).
It isn't McHugh and he was obviously referring to the soling the ball, keeping possession. Canning referred to it as well ('ball retention').
The paranoia is getting to epic proportions. But the pandemic of whataboutery has to stop.
The ban was utterly wrong.
I will be amazed if it isn't overturned on appeal.
There will be another incident in the semi-finals to outrage pundits. And on we will go again.
No one will be outraged after the final as 'the best team won'.
"Cleverly running down the clock here, very, very good play from kerry"-those two phrases very obviously compliment each other and the intent of this statement is that both the ball retention and O'Donoghue feigning injury are positive actions. "Cynically running down the clock here, a part of Kerry's game we don't like to see but unfortunately do all to often, the referee should take action" Hundreds of thousands of people now remember that incident with a negative skew. There is no paranoia or anything like it here-Tyrone fans have become numb to the double standards in the media. However, some people need reminding of what actually goes on in games involving counties other than Tyrone. The more images like this flying around the better to ground some of the buffoons who's imaginations are running wild about Tyrone and only Tyrone.
I saw it as they were talking about the play, the bit where he was running and soloing keeping possession. That was running down the clock and that was very good play. That is how I interpreted the commentary. Commentators are often a bit behind the play as it takes time to think about what you have seen.
They didn't comment on the feigning injury as far as I could see. Maybe they should have, but I didn't see it as praising the dive and holding of the head feigning injury.
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 11:43:36 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2015, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6571924) "He's cleverly running down the clock, here. Very, Very good play from Kerry" (McHugh).
It isn't McHugh and he was obviously referring to the soling the ball, keeping possession. Canning referred to it as well ('ball retention').
The paranoia is getting to epic proportions. But the pandemic of whataboutery has to stop.
The ban was utterly wrong.
I will be amazed if it isn't overturned on appeal.
There will be another incident in the semi-finals to outrage pundits. And on we will go again.
No one will be outraged after the final as 'the best team won'.
"Cleverly running down the clock here, very, very good play from kerry"-those two phrases very obviously compliment each other and the intent of this statement is that both the ball retention and O'Donoghue feigning injury are positive actions. "Cynically running down the clock here, a part of Kerry's game we don't like to see but unfortunately do all to often, the referee should take action" Hundreds of thousands of people now remember that incident with a negative skew. There is no paranoia or anything like it here-Tyrone fans have become numb to the double standards in the media. However, some people need reminding of what actually goes on in games involving counties other than Tyrone. The more images like this flying around the better to ground some of the buffoons who's imaginations are running wild about Tyrone and only Tyrone.
I saw it as they were talking about the play, the bit where he was running and soloing keeping possession. That was running down the clock and that was very good play. That is how I interpreted the commentary. Commentators are often a bit behind the play as it takes time to think about what you have seen.
They didn't comment on the feigning injury as far as I could see. Maybe they should have, but I didn't see it as praising the dive and holding of the head feigning injury.
The point is this. The commentary here is probably correct and how commentary should be. There would have been no mention of this on TSG and if there was, maybe a 'the cuteness of Kerry' comment. Fair enough. If this was Tyrone player even in an AI final, under the current media climate, there would be snide remarks, pontificating, excessive negativity over such an incident. Replays, tut tuts,repercussions, you name it. This has to stop.
Brolly article from Gaelic Life in 2012:
http://gaeliclife.com/2012/05/simulation-a-danger-to-the-gaa/
Maybe Tiernan McCann has done the GAA a favour in the long run and a line has been drawn in the sand.
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game didn't have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now perceived as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Fair enough. It is nearly too late for Tyrone to do anything about this. The damage is already done, that is why it escalated before TSG. That is what makes it very frustrating. This Tyrone team are going to be under the microscopic eye any time they are competitive and any misdemeanor is going to blown out of all proportion. Tyrone can't prevent against that. The media (including internet-based media) have a responsibility to treat teams fairly and for whatever reason, that isn't happening. Pat Spillane lit these fires back in 2003(because Tyrone dared to embarrass Kerry) and while he has thrown away the match, the fires still burn.
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
In the day and age when journalists are totally de-powered and social media is king you choose to blame it on the 'southern media'.
Cmon now. This one is more about whe the balance of power is in pop culture outside of McCann or diving. Your premise is incorrect. Journalists rarely set the agenda anymore. At best they reflect it.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.
They won Sat didnt they?
You should know by now I dont do calm or rational when it comes to football, why should I? Its just football, no one gets killed, it actually doesn't matter a shite, its just an outlet for us, so I use it. Calm and rational is for things that actually matter.
Besides. that's only a deflection, u still never gave any of your advice? Or do you only keep that for yourself? Or you maybe u dont have any and just like to appear like your the source of all wisdom?
And whats all that shite about partitionists?
Dublin had a bad reputation for yapping / goading / biting / jaw breaking not too many years ago. They have shook much of that reputation over the past couple of years with the removal of Caffrey / Vaughn, etc, a focus on positive football (helped by a lack of competition in Leinster) and a compliant media.
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Paddy H said it well alright.
Serve the Tyrones better to take that on board and realise they just might be doing wrong rather than the way they are reacting.
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
Thought that would be the response!
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:39:55 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.
They won Sat didnt they?
You should know by now I dont do calm or rational when it comes to football, why should I? Its just football, no one gets killed, it actually doesn't matter a shite, its just an outlet for us, so I use it. Calm and rational is for things that actually matter.
Besides. that's only a deflection, u still never gave any of your advice? Or do you only keep that for yourself? Or you maybe u dont have any and just like to appear like your the source of all wisdom?
And whats all that shite about partitionists?
Winning, to the pundits, means Sam. You are nothing in their eyes without it. We should know.
If I give any suggestions you and others will simply shoot them down one by one.
But it must be obvious that instead of refusing to talk, they should make people available for interviews as much as possible. Preferably calm, reasonable and friendly recently retired players. Take the heat out of the situation should be the objective instead of seething and shouting whataboutery from the rooftops.
Harte gave a Jennifer Lopez interview in the last few days where he started looking great, until we came to the dramatic 'but'. He criticised McCann but threw that all out the window by pointing the finger at others. All of this is not fair on Tyrone, but like I say the solution starts with them.
It was mentioned above that the Dubs got similar bad press sorted out. Remember the Hill 16 event against us and jumping onto the fence to celebrate a 14 yard free. All removed by Gilroy and look where it led him.
Nail on the head Muppet.
James Horan has described Tiernan McCann's proposed eight-week ban as 'lunacy'.
The former Mayo manager claims the Killyclogher clubman has been "hung out to dry" by the GAA and fears the whole controversy could harm Tyrone's chances of upsetting Kerry in Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
"If Tiernan McCann is suspended for eight weeks, you'd have to question what the GAA is at," Horan writes in the Irish Daily Star.
"This proposed ban is absolute lunacy. It's yet another example of elements of the media setting the agenda and the GAA authorities following sheepishly behind.
"It has been argued that this furore will help Tyrone going into the All-Ireland semi-finals, that they'll feed off a siege mentality. I don't see it that way. This kind of stuff can't be helpful.
"The CCCC has made a big mistake in my opinion. This is a response to media hysteria. Joe Brolly set the ball rolling with a Sunday newspaper column and then the Sunday Game laid into McCann.
"It looks to be me as if Croke Park react to pressure from pundits. That's not right.
"McCann made a stupid mistake late on against Monaghan. He was daft and wrong in what he did (taking a dive) – there's no question about that. But he's been singled out as part of a witch-hunt by elements of the media."
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:39:55 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.
They won Sat didnt they?
You should know by now I dont do calm or rational when it comes to football, why should I? Its just football, no one gets killed, it actually doesn't matter a shite, its just an outlet for us, so I use it. Calm and rational is for things that actually matter.
Besides. that's only a deflection, u still never gave any of your advice? Or do you only keep that for yourself? Or you maybe u dont have any and just like to appear like your the source of all wisdom?
And whats all that shite about partitionists?
Winning, to the pundits, means Sam. You are nothing in their eyes without it. We should know.
If I give any suggestions you and others will simply shoot them down one by one.
But it must be obvious that instead of refusing to talk, they should make people available for interviews as much as possible. Preferably calm, reasonable and friendly recently retired players. Take the heat out of the situation should be the objective instead of seething and shouting whataboutery from the rooftops.
Harte gave a Jennifer Lopez interview in the last few days where he started looking great, until we came to the dramatic 'but'. He criticised McCann but threw that all out the window by pointing the finger at others. All of this is not fair on Tyrone, but like I say the solution starts with them.
It was mentioned above that the Dubs got similar bad press sorted out. Remember the Hill 16 event against us and jumping onto the fence to celebrate a 14 yard free. All removed by Gilroy and look where it led him.
I think you are confusing press and reputation. The Dubs had a bad
reputation for their antics in the past and never got anywhere near the media lambasting or bad press that Tyrone have endured. In fact quite the opposite. They only cleaned up their act because they wanted to win things(not get players sent off, etc.) The trouble is that Tyrone's over the top (media-driven) bad press has been instrumental in giving them a bad reputation. This in turn is leading to unfair bans that Dublin didn't have to experience.
Tyrone has received one ban, and that may (and should imho) be overturned.
The Dubs have had at least two CCCC bans (for biting - one overturned I think) that I can think of off the top of my head. There may be more.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
STOP ACTING THE MAGGOT DURING MATCHES
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
STOP ACTING THE MAGGOT DURING MATCHES
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
STOP ACTING THE MAGGOT DURING MATCHES
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
I see a way forward for Tyrone out of their current predicament. . .
I propose for televised inter-county championship matches that their be a 5th official with a handful of monitors and a headpiece to contact the referee that could help alleviate ridiculous decisions being made. There is already a precedence of sorts with hawkeye.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:39:55 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.
They won Sat didnt they?
You should know by now I dont do calm or rational when it comes to football, why should I? Its just football, no one gets killed, it actually doesn't matter a shite, its just an outlet for us, so I use it. Calm and rational is for things that actually matter.
Besides. that's only a deflection, u still never gave any of your advice? Or do you only keep that for yourself? Or you maybe u dont have any and just like to appear like your the source of all wisdom?
And whats all that shite about partitionists?
Winning, to the pundits, means Sam. You are nothing in their eyes without it. We should know.
If I give any suggestions you and others will simply shoot them down one by one.
But it must be obvious that instead of refusing to talk, they should make people available for interviews as much as possible. Preferably calm, reasonable and friendly recently retired players. Take the heat out of the situation should be the objective instead of seething and shouting whataboutery from the rooftops.
Harte gave a Jennifer Lopez interview in the last few days where he started looking great, until we came to the dramatic 'but'. He criticised McCann but threw that all out the window by pointing the finger at others. All of this is not fair on Tyrone, but like I say the solution starts with them.
It was mentioned above that the Dubs got similar bad press sorted out. Remember the Hill 16 event against us and jumping onto the fence to celebrate a 14 yard free. All removed by Gilroy and look where it led him.
Really? Did you not mind the Spillane squirm fest after the 03 semi that reverberates to this day?
If you win Sam they cant touch you, everyones falling over themselves to say how great you are, look at Kerry last year... they were shite but they won and suddenly they're being compared to the side of the naughties.
Up until Donegal won they were treated like Lepers and then suddenly they were the best team around after the AI win
Tyrone do speak to the media just cos they dont speak to RTE doesnt mean they dont. RTE has the problem they are supposed to be the creditable media outlet but they completely prejudice
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair? If he slagged him off it would be dressing room suicide.
Tyrone are nothing like the Pillar Dubs, they were detrimental to themselves, Tyrone are no worse than any other winning team, in fact Monaghan were by far the worse offenders on Sat but Tyrone receive the brunt of everything, its always worse when Tyrone do it? Why is that?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?
Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:39:55 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
To be fair I think the initial reaction was on the internet and mainly on twitter. The gifs appeared rapidly, and remember, The Sunday Game didn't have the match. It was on a Saturday and Sky had it. The Sunday Game did have anything until a day later. Even on here the row was in full swing over 24 hours before TSG was broadcast: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26101.375)
I accept your point that they are more likely now to look at Tyrone with a cynical eye, than your example Kerry. Donaghy for example is relentlessly pushing and shoving and mouthing and no one says, or does anything about him.
But for whatever reason Tyrone are now received as the worst culprits. Is this fair? I honestly don't know. But it appears to be a reality and it will impact negatively on Tyrone. But the solution is in Tyrone. The solution for Tyrone certainly isn't going on an all out attack on 'The Southern Media', or 'D4' or partitionists or whatever. Does anyone seriously think that will shut people up?
Enlighten us with your eternal wisdom Muppet
Enlighten us how Tyrone GAA can stop journalist and pundits causing a shit storm every time Tyrone do something that every team in the country does?
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop Spillane, O'Rourke etc being sickened at the sight of Tyrone winning.
Enlighten us how Tyrone can stop the CCCC acting on a whim from the above journalist's drivel?
This is an issue for them not Tyrone.
This is exactly what I am talking about.
a) Tyrone aren't winning. They haven't won since 2008 as a Tyrone supporter pointed out earlier. (This is not an insult - we haven't won since 1951 - merely pointing to claim that the pundits are sickened at you winning.
b) The shit storm started on here and twitter on Saturday, and was in full swing long before TSG got it. They merely reflected the outrage. (And yes the level of outrage was way over the top).
c) A Tyrone website claimed that the CCCC acted on a whim from journalists. YOU have claimed it was 'the above journalists'. I seriously doubt that happened.
d) Calm down. The frothing isn't helping. We need to hear some cool heads from Tyrone who can show up the witch hunt for exactly what it was: an ill-judged over-reaction from the CCCC.
They won Sat didnt they?
You should know by now I dont do calm or rational when it comes to football, why should I? Its just football, no one gets killed, it actually doesn't matter a shite, its just an outlet for us, so I use it. Calm and rational is for things that actually matter.
Besides. that's only a deflection, u still never gave any of your advice? Or do you only keep that for yourself? Or you maybe u dont have any and just like to appear like your the source of all wisdom?
And whats all that shite about partitionists?
Winning, to the pundits, means Sam. You are nothing in their eyes without it. We should know.
If I give any suggestions you and others will simply shoot them down one by one.
But it must be obvious that instead of refusing to talk, they should make people available for interviews as much as possible. Preferably calm, reasonable and friendly recently retired players. Take the heat out of the situation should be the objective instead of seething and shouting whataboutery from the rooftops.
Harte gave a Jennifer Lopez interview in the last few days where he started looking great, until we came to the dramatic 'but'. He criticised McCann but threw that all out the window by pointing the finger at others. All of this is not fair on Tyrone, but like I say the solution starts with them.
It was mentioned above that the Dubs got similar bad press sorted out. Remember the Hill 16 event against us and jumping onto the fence to celebrate a 14 yard free. All removed by Gilroy and look where it led him.
Really? Did you not mind the Spillane squirm fest after the 03 semi that reverberates to this day?
If you win Sam they cant touch you, everyones falling over themselves to say how great you are, look at Kerry last year... they were shite but they won and suddenly they're being compared to the side of the naughties.
Up until Donegal won they were treated like Lepers and then suddenly they were the best team around after the AI win
Tyrone do speak to the media just cos they dont speak to RTE doesnt mean they dont. RTE has the problem they are supposed to be the creditable media outlet but they completely prejudice
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair? If he slagged him off it would be dressing room suicide.
Tyrone are nothing like the Pillar Dubs, they were detrimental to themselves, Tyrone are no worse than any other winning team, in fact Monaghan were by far the worse offenders on Sat but Tyrone receive the brunt of everything, its always worse when Tyrone do it? Why is that?
Wise up!
Well spotted, Armamike ;D
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann by the hair and then tripped him to the ground?
a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)
Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?
Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.
Assault and barbery!
This 8 week ban may not be exactly legal or fair on Tyrone or McCann, the GAA are going about it in a completely hamfisted way, BUT, if it rids us of this diving sheeitte then overall it is a good thing.
Someone has to be the first example, it wouldn't be fair on whoever was going to be that example.
Tyrone people can point at Michael Shields, Aidan O'Mahony and the fact they got off with no sanctions but it still doesn't make what McCann did right.
If a Derry player did this in an AI quarter final (we can but dream) id be embarrassed to be from the same county as him. I certainly wouldn't be on here trying to defend him!
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann by the hair and then tripped him to the ground?
a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)
That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann by the hair and then tripped him to the ground?
a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)
That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.
you are some biscuit
what lies?
Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?
Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.
Why? Its how I see it.
People spout lies about Tyrone all the time and then its taken as gospel.
Thats how I seen the incident, so thats how I call it.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann by the hair and then tripped him to the ground?
a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)
That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.
you are some biscuit
what lies?
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann by the hair and then tripped him to the ground?
a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)
That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.
you are some biscuit
what lies?
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
oh that 'lie'..yer not wise
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann by the hair and then tripped him to the ground?
a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)
That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.
you are some biscuit
what lies?
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
oh that 'lie'..yer not wise
Mad as a box of frogs ;D
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?
Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.
Why? Its how I see it.
People spout lies about Tyrone all the time and then its taken as gospel.
Thats how I seen the incident, so thats how I call it.
Arguing can be fun. But pick a somewhat credible line of argument.
To 'rip him down by the hair' he would have to:
a) have grabbed his hair,
b) pulled it so the head was dragged immediately down with Hughes hand (McCann's head actually falls away from Hughes' hand),
c) even if the above happened, my 2 year old can withstand having her hair tugged to such an extent that she can remain on her feet.
http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4 (http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4)
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 13, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 13, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
It's a bit lazy to pin this on 'the Southern media'. Our own media up north have been vocal this week. Paddy Heaney in the Irish News wrote a fairly damning piece on Tuesday.
Ack sure, he's a Derry man. Much worse than you Armagh ones ;)
I see that Conan Doherty shitetalker on joe.ie is from Derry too, seems to be a theme goin on here...
When you can't match them on the pitch, use whatever backhanded means possible.
An inferiority complex is an awful thing.
ahh naw, did he not agree that big bad Hughes pulled McCann by the hair and then tripped him to the ground?
a more decent , sport loving lad you couldn't meet. (young Conan Doherty)
That great good for him it doesnt not make him a shitetalker with an inferiority complex who spouts lies to back it up.
you are some biscuit
what lies?
"But why now? Why the Tyrone man? Why not Michael Shields? Aidan O'Mahony? Why? Because neither of those other incidents resulted in a player being red carded."
oh that 'lie'..yer not wise
Wyh 'lie'? I suppose yer gonna tell me its the truth?
I remember having some awful thoughts about Willie Barrett after the 1998 Munster final replay. I was certainly willing to entertain some awful conspiracy theories about him.
Then I grew up.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?
Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.
Why? Its how I see it.
People spout lies about Tyrone all the time and then its taken as gospel.
Thats how I seen the incident, so thats how I call it.
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Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: laceer on August 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 04:02:34 PM
What feckin manager wouldn't stick up for his player after he got ripped down by the hair?
Stop saying this - you're making the rest of your argument look stupid. He dived.
Why? Its how I see it.
People spout lies about Tyrone all the time and then its taken as gospel.
Thats how I seen the incident, so thats how I call it.
Arguing can be fun. But pick a somewhat credible line of argument.
To 'rip him down by the hair' he would have to:
a) have grabbed his hair,
b) pulled it so the head was dragged immediately down with Hughes hand (McCann's head actually falls away from Hughes' hand),
c) even if the above happened, my 2 year old can withstand having her hair tugged to such an extent that she can remain on her feet.
http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4 (http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4)
How do you know how much force was applied? Hughes is a big strong lad, calving holsteins and wrestling drop calves on top of all the S&C trainig.
If you dont agree with that fine, your not gonna change my mind. I dont become fixated everytime anyone says it was a hair ruffle when it clearly wasnt.
And its irrelevant to my replies I was making to ur points
You said he got 'he got ripped down by the hair'.
Wouldn't he have had to at least grab a hold of his hair?
What about all that gel??
Shouldn't there at least be a bit of a tug visible? Even the slightest biteen??
Hughes probably needed a tub of swarfega when he got to the dressing room.
You couldn't make it up.
Actually, you could.
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 05:04:17 PM
You said he got 'he got ripped down by the hair'.
Wouldn't he have had to at least grab a hold of his hair?
What about all that gel??
Shouldn't there at least be a bit of a tug visible? Even the slightest biteen??
Hughes probably needed a tub of swarfega when he got to the dressing room.
He did
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 05:09:38 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 05:04:17 PM
You said he got 'he got ripped down by the hair'.
Wouldn't he have had to at least grab a hold of his hair?
What about all that gel??
Shouldn't there at least be a bit of a tug visible? Even the slightest biteen??
Hughes probably needed a tub of swarfega when he got to the dressing room.
He did
Stop digging.
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Tyrone are reviled throughout the Country and beyond, their leader has let this shit go on since the start of his tenure and I loathe him for it!
Armagh have a sickening penchant for starting fights before the ball is thrown in, it is embarrassing and a lot of people loathe us for that, that sais, in 45 years watching GAA I have never seen a couny so despised as Tyrone, and rightly so! They are not the only ones at this nasty shit, but they are the poster children for simulation be it diving, prentending to be hurt or getting your hair touched and writing around in agony, they will reap what they so and although I have no love for Kerry I hope they absolutely destroy these cheating bastards! For the good of the game I hope Tyrone get destroyed because they are sucking the life out of gaelic football even though they can be great at it on occasion!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
Watch Last Week Tonight and tell me satire is dying.
Sorry i've had another look and I will have to rephrase it was an attempted pull down.
He tried to grab his hair, it slid thru his fingers and at the same time Tiernan pulled away sharply and his momentum took him down.
There is considerable force used by Hughes look at how hard it hand bounces of Tiernan's shoulder
Have a look at it lads without your preconceptions.... it deserved a red on its own along with us other transgressions he should be looking at a lengthy ban
Quote from: stew on August 13, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Tyrone are reviled throughout the Country and beyond, their leader has let this shit go on since the start of his tenure and I loathe him for it!
Armagh have a sickening penchant for starting fights before the ball is thrown in, it is embarrassing and a lot of people loathe us for that, that sais, in 45 years watching GAA I have never seen a couny so despised as Tyrone, and rightly so! They are not the only ones at this nasty shit, but they are the poster children for simulation be it diving, prentending to be hurt or getting your hair touched and writing around in agony, they will reap what they so and although I have no love for Kerry I hope they absolutely destroy these cheating b**tards! For the good of the game I hope Tyrone get destroyed because they are sucking the life out of gaelic football even though they can be great at it on occasion!
And then we're accused of being paronoid when you point out when people have agenda....
::)
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 07:10:00 PM
Sorry i've had another look and I will have to rephrase it was an attempted pull down.
He tried to grab his hair, it slid thru his fingers and at the same time Tiernan pulled away sharply and his momentum took him down.
There is considerable force used by Hughes look at how hard it hand bounces of Tiernan's shoulder
Have a look at it lads without your preconceptions.... it deserved a red on its own along with us other transgressions he should be looking at a lengthy ban
It was a caress.
A well lubricated caress, but a caress nonetheless.
They never got to the 'attempted pull down' stage, as McCann fainted before that.
Quote from: stew on August 13, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Tyrone are reviled throughout the Country and beyond, their leader has let this shit go on since the start of his tenure and I loathe him for it!
Armagh have a sickening penchant for starting fights before the ball is thrown in, it is embarrassing and a lot of people loathe us for that, that sais, in 45 years watching GAA I have never seen a couny so despised as Tyrone, and rightly so! They are not the only ones at this nasty shit, but they are the poster children for simulation be it diving, prentending to be hurt or getting your hair touched and writing around in agony, they will reap what they so and although I have no love for Kerry I hope they absolutely destroy these cheating b**tards! For the good of the game I hope Tyrone get destroyed because they are sucking the life out of gaelic football even though they can be great at it on occasion!
Stew - your posts on this topic are in simulation territory. You need an 8 week ban for bringing yourself into disrepute.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
Watch Last Week Tonight and tell me satire is dying.
Aren't you the idiot whom during the delay at half time in the All-Ireland U21 football final jumped on to your keyboard to claim the Tyrone management were playing mind games with Tipperary when you actually had no idea what was going on at the time? You're Exhibit A of gullible fools falling for bogeymen, so slide along.
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Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 07:10:00 PM
Sorry i've had another look and I will have to rephrase it was an attempted pull down.
He tried to grab his hair, it slid thru his fingers and at the same time Tiernan pulled away sharply and his momentum took him down.
There is considerable force used by Hughes look at how hard it hand bounces of Tiernan's shoulder
Have a look at it lads without your preconceptions.... it deserved a red on its own along with us other transgressions he should be looking at a lengthy ban
It was a caress.
A well lubricated caress, but a caress nonetheless.
They never got to the 'attempted pull down' stage, as McCann fainted before that.
A caress? How would it be a caress with his fist clenched and using enough force to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder?
Tiernan's movement is a reaction to the force being used, his momentum took him over
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 07:30:28 PM
A caress? How would it be a caress with his fist clenched and using enough force to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder?
Tiernan's movement is a reaction to the force being used, his momentum took him over
Fist clenched?
Try this.
Make a fist.
Try to grab some hair, pick up a phone, or pick your nose with your fist.
Please remember to unclench your fist before you type how you got on.
Is that omaghjoe character for real?
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 07:30:28 PM
A caress? How would it be a caress with his fist clenched and using enough force to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder?
Tiernan's movement is a reaction to the force being used, his momentum took him over
Fist clenched?
Try this.
Make a fist.
Try to grab some hair, pick up a phone, or pick your nose with your fist.
Please remember to unclench your fist before you type how you got on.
He clenched his fist while it was on Tiernan's hair and then he pulled down with his fist clenched, the force of which was enough for his arm to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
Watch Last Week Tonight and tell me satire is dying.
Aren't you the idiot whom during the delay at half time in the All-Ireland U21 football final jumped on to your keyboard to claim the Tyrone management were playing mind games with Tipperary when you actually had no idea what was going on at the time? You're Exhibit A of gullible fools falling for bogeymen, so slide along.
That's him, no agenda at all ::)
Best.
Thread.
Ever.
Quote from: stew on August 13, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Tyrone are reviled throughout the Country and beyond, their leader has let this shit go on since the start of his tenure and I loathe him for it!
Armagh have a sickening penchant for starting fights before the ball is thrown in, it is embarrassing and a lot of people loathe us for that, that sais, in 45 years watching GAA I have never seen a couny so despised as Tyrone, and rightly so! They are not the only ones at this nasty shit, but they are the poster children for simulation be it diving, prentending to be hurt or getting your hair touched and writing around in agony, they will reap what they so and although I have no love for Kerry I hope they absolutely destroy these cheating b**tards! For the good of the game I hope Tyrone get destroyed because they are sucking the life out of gaelic football even though they can be great at it on occasion!
Stew - that post is out of order. To say Armagh had a penchant for starting fights is very unfair.
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: stew on August 13, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Tyrone are reviled throughout the Country and beyond, their leader has let this shit go on since the start of his tenure and I loathe him for it!
Armagh have a sickening penchant for starting fights before the ball is thrown in, it is embarrassing and a lot of people loathe us for that, that sais, in 45 years watching GAA I have never seen a couny so despised as Tyrone, and rightly so! They are not the only ones at this nasty shit, but they are the poster children for simulation be it diving, prentending to be hurt or getting your hair touched and writing around in agony, they will reap what they so and although I have no love for Kerry I hope they absolutely destroy these cheating b**tards! For the good of the game I hope Tyrone get destroyed because they are sucking the life out of gaelic football even though they can be great at it on occasion!
Stew - that post is out of order. To say Armagh had a penchant for starting fights is very unfair.
They were never that good at finishing them either to be fair!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
Watch Last Week Tonight and tell me satire is dying.
Aren't you the idiot whom during the delay at half time in the All-Ireland U21 football final jumped on to your keyboard to claim the Tyrone management were playing mind games with Tipperary when you actually had no idea what was going on at the time? You're Exhibit A of gullible fools falling for bogeymen, so slide along.
It really is beautiful that one of the first things a Tyrone apologist reaches for is attacking the man, even when the topic at hand is entirely unrelated.
Perspective is a wonderful thing and until Tyrone people get some this will repeatedly happen.
Quote from: stew on August 13, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Tyrone are reviled throughout the Country and beyond, their leader has let this shit go on since the start of his tenure and I loathe him for it!
Armagh have a sickening penchant for starting fights before the ball is thrown in, it is embarrassing and a lot of people loathe us for that, that sais, in 45 years watching GAA I have never seen a couny so despised as Tyrone, and rightly so! They are not the only ones at this nasty shit, but they are the poster children for simulation be it diving, prentending to be hurt or getting your hair touched and writing around in agony, they will reap what they so and although I have no love for Kerry I hope they absolutely destroy these cheating b**tards! For the good of the game I hope Tyrone get destroyed because they are sucking the life out of gaelic football even though they can be great at it on occasion!
Have to love the return of the old Stew. Foaming at the mouth about Tyrone and talking crap. Memories of the 00's all flooding back. :D
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
Watch Last Week Tonight and tell me satire is dying.
Aren't you the idiot whom during the delay at half time in the All-Ireland U21 football final jumped on to your keyboard to claim the Tyrone management were playing mind games with Tipperary when you actually had no idea what was going on at the time? You're Exhibit A of gullible fools falling for bogeymen, so slide along.
It really is beautiful that one of the first things a Tyrone apologist reaches for is attacking the man, even when the topic at hand is entirely unrelated.
Perspective is a wonderful thing and until Tyrone people get some this will repeatedly happen.
Yes, the collective outrage by posters on here and the media in general this week has been a real lesson in how to keep things in perspective.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 07:30:28 PM
A caress? How would it be a caress with his fist clenched and using enough force to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder?
Tiernan's movement is a reaction to the force being used, his momentum took him over
Fist clenched?
Try this.
Make a fist.
Try to grab some hair, pick up a phone, or pick your nose with your fist.
Please remember to unclench your fist before you type how you got on.
He clenched his fist while it was on Tiernan's hair and then he pulled down with his fist clenched, the force of which was enough for his arm to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder.
Why didn't McCann's head move in the direction of the clenched fist that was supposed to be pulling the hair?
And as for the pat on the shoulder. That shoulder of McCann's came up after it was touched. More interesting is the sly kick as he fell. That is the only obvious illegal contact I can see.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
Watch Last Week Tonight and tell me satire is dying.
Aren't you the idiot whom during the delay at half time in the All-Ireland U21 football final jumped on to your keyboard to claim the Tyrone management were playing mind games with Tipperary when you actually had no idea what was going on at the time? You're Exhibit A of gullible fools falling for bogeymen, so slide along.
It really is beautiful that one of the first things a Tyrone apologist reaches for is attacking the man, even when the topic at hand is entirely unrelated.
Perspective is a wonderful thing and until Tyrone people get some this will repeatedly happen.
The perspective that we have is the set of rules/standard that everyone else is judged by or expected to adhere to.
For us its completely different rules/standards
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 07:30:28 PM
A caress? How would it be a caress with his fist clenched and using enough force to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder?
Tiernan's movement is a reaction to the force being used, his momentum took him over
Fist clenched?
Try this.
Make a fist.
Try to grab some hair, pick up a phone, or pick your nose with your fist.
Please remember to unclench your fist before you type how you got on.
He clenched his fist while it was on Tiernan's hair and then he pulled down with his fist clenched, the force of which was enough for his arm to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder.
Why didn't McCann's head move in the direction of the clenched fist that was supposed to be pulling the hair?
And as for the pat on the shoulder. That shoulder of McCann's came up after it was touched. More interesting is the sly kick as he fell. That is the only obvious illegal contact I can see.
Cos he felt his hair being grabbed and moved it the other way?
Pats on the shoulder generally dont have enuff force to bounce off. His arm is clearly moving way faster than the shoulder was moving towards it, highly dubious if his shoulder was moving upwards at all.
Any reasonable person looking with a fair eye could only conclude that there was seriously intend by Hughes to give McCann an almighty tug by the hair.
I wouldn't have thought it was possible, given some of the tulips around here, that one person could take such a commanding lead in the race for board idiot.
Where's Fearon when you need him?
stealing shite jokes from Twitter and passing them off as his own on here
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 07:30:28 PM
A caress? How would it be a caress with his fist clenched and using enough force to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder?
Tiernan's movement is a reaction to the force being used, his momentum took him over
Fist clenched?
Try this.
Make a fist.
Try to grab some hair, pick up a phone, or pick your nose with your fist.
Please remember to unclench your fist before you type how you got on.
He clenched his fist while it was on Tiernan's hair and then he pulled down with his fist clenched, the force of which was enough for his arm to bounce of Tiernan's shoulder.
Why didn't McCann's head move in the direction of the clenched fist that was supposed to be pulling the hair?
And as for the pat on the shoulder. That shoulder of McCann's came up after it was touched. More interesting is the sly kick as he fell. That is the only obvious illegal contact I can see.
Cos he felt his hair being grabbed and moved it the other way?
Pats on the shoulder generally dont have enuff force to bounce off. His arm is clearly moving way faster than the shoulder was moving towards it, highly dubious if his shoulder was moving upwards at all.
Any reasonable person looking with a fair eye could only conclude that there was seriously intend by Hughes to give McCann an almighty tug by the hair.
Have you finally moved away from the leg sweep defence you were peddling during the week??
Maybe by next week you'll see it was a dive... Once the siege mentality lifts!!
Em no, it's not. You've heard of the idea of the lesser of two evils?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
Watch Last Week Tonight and tell me satire is dying.
Aren't you the idiot whom during the delay at half time in the All-Ireland U21 football final jumped on to your keyboard to claim the Tyrone management were playing mind games with Tipperary when you actually had no idea what was going on at the time? You're Exhibit A of gullible fools falling for bogeymen, so slide along.
Oh did he now? He seems like a very snide and bitter coward alright. The inferiority complex he has built up with Northern teams glows with him and the yellow jersey suits.
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 09:56:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 09:54:11 PM
I wouldn't have thought it was possible, given some of the tulips around here, that one person could take such a commanding lead in the race for board idiot.
Where's Fearon when you need him?
Your view that the 2 month ban is "unfair but feck it anyway" is among the most bizarre I've read on here.
He's also the fella reckons that Peter Canavan injured himself in 96... I never got that video Hardy that proves it
He did. And given your "interpretation" of McCann's dive, I wouldn't trust you to interpret a teletubbies video.
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:00:48 PM
Em no, it's not. You've heard of the idea of the lesser of two evils?
It is. As I said on the other thread, ban divers for 2 months if you wish but at least let them know beforehand instead of changing the rules between the time of the offence and the awarding of the penalty.
If he deserves that then what did Martin o'Connel deserve in 96, 6months in jail?
Maybe if Martin O'Connell had got what he deserved in 96 there wouldn't have been a full scale riot on AI final day
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
He did. And given your "interpretation" of McCann's dive, I wouldn't trust you to interpret a teletubbies video.
There you go fellas no bias there at all this is the type of prejusdice we're dealing with.
Peter Canavan Tyrone's star performer and more or less carrying the rest of the team decided he would injury himself just as he was getting sandwiched by two Meath hallions.
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
Apart from that very good and rational, I dont buy into that BS tho when it comes to football, as competitive sport is as an irrational thing as there is goin.
So I believe in going clean mad when we're wronged, any good ideas for turning this around to blame Kerry? I can see the feckers sitting in the corner sniggering away at the whole thing.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
Apart from that very good and rational, I dont buy into that BS tho when it comes to football, as competitive sport is as an irrational thing as there is goin.
So I believe in going clean mad when we're wronged, any good ideas for turning this around to blame Kerry? I can see the feckers sitting in the corner sniggering away at the whole thing.
I am glad you are finally beginning to see sense. ;D
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
Apart from that very good and rational, I dont buy into that BS tho when it comes to football, as competitive sport is as an irrational thing as there is goin.
So I believe in going clean mad when we're wronged, any good ideas for turning this around to blame Kerry? I can see the feckers sitting in the corner sniggering away at the whole thing.
I am glad you are finally beginning to see sense. ;D
Who rattled your cage again?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:36:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
Apart from that very good and rational, I dont buy into that BS tho when it comes to football, as competitive sport is as an irrational thing as there is goin.
So I believe in going clean mad when we're wronged, any good ideas for turning this around to blame Kerry? I can see the feckers sitting in the corner sniggering away at the whole thing.
I am glad you are finally beginning to see sense. ;D
Who rattled your cage again?
Don't mind me, keep a close eye on the corner you mentioned.
Let us know what you see or hear.
BTW, where exactly is this corner?
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:39:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:36:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
Apart from that very good and rational, I dont buy into that BS tho when it comes to football, as competitive sport is as an irrational thing as there is goin.
So I believe in going clean mad when we're wronged, any good ideas for turning this around to blame Kerry? I can see the feckers sitting in the corner sniggering away at the whole thing.
I am glad you are finally beginning to see sense. ;D
Who rattled your cage again?
Don't mind me, keep a close eye on the corner you mentioned.
Let us know what you see or hear.
BTW, where exactly is this corner?
I presume that you have now seen Hughes intent after my explanation then?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:39:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:36:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
Apart from that very good and rational, I dont buy into that BS tho when it comes to football, as competitive sport is as an irrational thing as there is goin.
So I believe in going clean mad when we're wronged, any good ideas for turning this around to blame Kerry? I can see the feckers sitting in the corner sniggering away at the whole thing.
I am glad you are finally beginning to see sense. ;D
Who rattled your cage again?
Don't mind me, keep a close eye on the corner you mentioned.
Let us know what you see or hear.
BTW, where exactly is this corner?
I presume that you have now seen Hughes intent after my explanation then?
What was his intent?
You now seem to be focused on this 'bounce' of the fist off the shoulder. How often do you see fists bounce back from their targets?
Serious question btw. I am open minded on this.
Quote from: muppet on August 14, 2015, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:39:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:36:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
Apart from that very good and rational, I dont buy into that BS tho when it comes to football, as competitive sport is as an irrational thing as there is goin.
So I believe in going clean mad when we're wronged, any good ideas for turning this around to blame Kerry? I can see the feckers sitting in the corner sniggering away at the whole thing.
I am glad you are finally beginning to see sense. ;D
Who rattled your cage again?
Don't mind me, keep a close eye on the corner you mentioned.
Let us know what you see or hear.
BTW, where exactly is this corner?
I presume that you have now seen Hughes intent after my explanation then?
What was his intent?
You now seem to be focused on this 'bounce' of the fist off the shoulder. How often do you see fists bounce back from their targets?
Serious question btw. I am open minded on this.
His intent was to pull his hair with considerable force. The hair slipped thru his fingers due to gel (maybe), sweat (probably), and Tiernan pulling his head away (definitely). Hughes wasnt expecting this to happen so he couldnt control his arm in time and it bounced off the shoulder. He wasnt intending to punch his shoulder.
Look at it with an open mind that's all I ask.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2015, 12:25:13 AM
His intent was to pull his hair with considerable force. The hair slipped thru his fingers due to gel (maybe), sweat (probably), and Tiernan pulling his head away (definitely). Hughes wasnt expecting this to happen so he couldnt control his arm in time and it bounced off the shoulder. He wasnt intending to punch his shoulder.
Look at it with an open mind that's all I ask.
Ok.
So the intent was to pull his hair and that didn't work out for whatever reason. What happened next was contact with the shoulder which wasn't the intention?
Quote from: muppet on August 14, 2015, 12:30:47 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2015, 12:25:13 AM
His intent was to pull his hair with considerable force. The hair slipped thru his fingers due to gel (maybe), sweat (probably), and Tiernan pulling his head away (definitely). Hughes wasnt expecting this to happen so he couldnt control his arm in time and it bounced off the shoulder. He wasnt intending to punch his shoulder.
Look at it with an open mind that's all I ask.
Ok.
So the intent was to pull his hair and that didn't work out for whatever reason. What happened next was contact with the shoulder which wasn't the intention?
Correct
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 14, 2015, 12:01:35 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Your last paragraph Fintona, I couldnt help thinking was that what happened with the weans from Ashfield gardens when they went to St Lawrence's?
When I was a wee boy at St. Lawrence's, Ashfield was a young place then and not that shabby with soccer pitch, playground etc. and good open spaces. Today, the majority of residents there are dead on, it's just a shame that a few have to spoil it for others there and beyond.
I wasn't havent a dig, I like the Holy city of Fintona and agree that its a few morons causing the problem. The great thing about Fintona is that there was always great craic about it and u never had to worry about a row erupting and never even the slightest hint of sectarianism. Bernie Kelly is a slabber too!
Go Fintona!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
It warned us of the danger of Cake long before the Sunday game came along.
Quote from: LeoMc on August 14, 2015, 07:52:28 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
It warned us of the danger of Cake long before the Sunday game came along.
;D
Jesus, the board has gone to f*ck!!
If this had been kept in the Tyrone v Monaghan thread, we'd be closing in on 100 pages FFS. No thread discipline on the board anymore
As this thread gets ever more farcical, and bearing in mind the furore over Maurice Shanahan after our recent game against Dublin, I'm having a proper Martin Prince moment here:
(https://i.imgflip.com/pizx5.jpg)
Quote from: LeoMc on August 14, 2015, 07:52:28 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 13, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Anyone remember the spoof documentary series on Channel 4 in the 90's called Brass Eye?
Much of what is on this thread and a few others is showing up why satire is slowly dying.
It warned us of the danger of Cake long before the Sunday game came along.
Surely we're not too far away from "Youth Hostelling with Pat Spillane" and/or "Monkey Hurling"
Quote from: Pub Bore on August 14, 2015, 09:25:15 AM
Surely we're not to far away from "Youth Hostelling with Pat Spillane" and/or "Monkey Hurling"
We can have Celebrity Deathmatch between Spillane and Chris Eubank over who gets the Youth Hostelling gig. Try not to lead with your chin, Pat!
Quote from: stew on August 13, 2015, 05:31:26 PM
Tyrone are reviled throughout the Country and beyond, their leader has let this shit go on since the start of his tenure and I loathe him for it!
Na, I think you'll find you loath him & Tyrone because you only have 1 AI .. and you think you shoulda had more .. only for them pesky Tyronies .. You're as bitter as a ten hour Guinness!
Despite Colm O'Rourkes pleas that they are not patsys for a state broadcaster agenda, I think there are still more questions than answers about the way they conduct themselves as analysts and the result of the sum of the parts leaves a very skewed picture in the eyes of many leaving them open to criticism that:
RTE coverage is negative against Tyrone
RTE coverage is negative against Northern GAA teams who progress
RTE coverage is negative against the GAA as a whole when compared to their approach to other sports.
On a sidenote it is interesting to see O Rourke step out of the shadows of his peers and make his voice heard after years taking the back seat. The last time he done this though he made a total hames of it too and ending up eating a straw hat.. Fair play to Eamon Sweeney in yesterdays indo who brought a balanced argument to the table.
Quote from: rrhf on August 17, 2015, 08:45:38 AM
Despite Colm O'Rourkes pleas that they are not patsys for a state broadcaster agenda, I think there are still more questions than answers about the way they conduct themselves as analysts and the result of the sum of the parts leaves a very skewed picture in the eyes of many leaving them open to criticism that:
RTE coverage is negative against Tyrone
RTE coverage is negative against Northern GAA teams who progress
RTE coverage is negative against the GAA as a whole when compared to their approach to other sports.
On a sidenote it is interesting to see O Rourke step out of the shadows of his peers and make his voice heard after years taking the back seat. The last time he done this though he made a total hames of it too and ending up eating a straw hat.. Fair play to Eamon Sweeney in yesterdays indo who brought a balanced argument to the table.
A first for Eamon!
Quote from: rrhf on August 17, 2015, 08:45:38 AM
Despite Colm O'Rourkes pleas that they are not patsys for a state broadcaster agenda, I think there are still more questions than answers about the way they conduct themselves as analysts and the result of the sum of the parts leaves a very skewed picture in the eyes of many leaving them open to criticism that:
RTE coverage is negative against Tyrone
RTE coverage is negative against Northern GAA teams who progress
RTE coverage is negative against the GAA as a whole when compared to their approach to other sports.
On a sidenote it is interesting to see O Rourke step out of the shadows of his peers and make his voice heard after years taking the back seat. The last time he done this though he made a total hames of it too and ending up eating a straw hat.. Fair play to Eamon Sweeney in yesterdays indo who brought a balanced argument to the table.
I take it this is the same Eamonn Sweeney that wrote the most vitriolic piece I ever read on the Armagh football team after the replay of the 2005 Ulster championship final. For the record it was called' Armagh's dark side revealed" . Balanced is hardly a word I would associate with Eamonn Sweeney.
Quote from: rrhf on August 17, 2015, 08:45:38 AM
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Fair play to Eamon Sweeney in yesterdays indo who brought a balanced argument to the table.
Have you a link for that?
The offending article.
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armaghs-dark-side-revealed-26211060.html
Where Sweeney was wrong is as we know Armagh played on the edge like Meath and quite rightfully didn't apologize and as a result had red cards flashed and in cases rightly so unlike another Northern county who's dark side is cheating by diving to make sure of scores and opponents on the wrong end of the red card.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 17, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 17, 2015, 08:45:38 AM
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Fair play to Eamon Sweeney in yesterdays indo who brought a balanced argument to the table.
Have you a link for that?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/moral-panic-over-tiernan-mccann-has-bitter-flavour-31454293.html
Anyone hear Eamon McGee on Off The Ball Saturday? He was very good, said that from his experience Tyrone are no different to any of the other top five/six counties in their antics and said that these sort of flashpoints usually occur when the big teams meat each other.
That tool Anthony Moyles was talking out both sides of his mouth trying to blame Harte for not stamping these incidents out with Tyrone by dropping players who engaged it. I wonder would have he have wanted Sean Boylan to be running someone like Graham Geraghty off the Meath squad because of his antics or why Boylan never stamped out the thuggish antics of his Meath teams.
So if you have an opinion which doesn't agree with cheating your a "tool"
Did ye not cry about the McGee's sledging in Ballybofey and now he's a great fellow, strange that!!
Ricey has his say http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-tyrone-are-the-bogeyman-and-it-s-not-a-pretty-place-to-be-1.2319836#utm_sguid=117404,a9c9301d-c92c-8624-b2d0-da4765b3e0f7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8-BGh8Ypmk
Actually one of the better ones I thought. Titter!
Quote from: southdown on August 18, 2015, 09:45:21 AM
Ricey has his say http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-tyrone-are-the-bogeyman-and-it-s-not-a-pretty-place-to-be-1.2319836#utm_sguid=117404,a9c9301d-c92c-8624-b2d0-da4765b3e0f7
Has he? It just looks like a few old quotes from Ricey chucked into this article!
A new low surely?
Today we had:
- McMahon's headbutt
- Cooper's stamp
- McMahon feigning being hit
- Constant harassment of the match official
- Four or five black card offences
- Systematic fouling and consistent dissent to the referee
- Connolly red carded and numerous physical flashpoints in the game
Coupled with the unsavoury incidents involving Dublin in recent years like the biting incidents and the fracas with Armagh, surely there will be a media witch hunt on Dublin from the high profile journalists?
Or maybe they just expect Tyrone to abide by a certain set of standards that is not applicable to any county outside the O6?
The problem you have is that Dublin are nowhere near as in your face with the cynical play as Tyrone. Successful teams have some sort of cynical edge. Both Dublin and Kerry do. Tyrone's problem is they are not as good as either, are not traditional media darlings and because they have had the same manager for so long it seems that they have a longer history of it.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 30, 2015, 05:59:16 PM
The problem you have is that Dublin are nowhere near as in your face with the cynical play as Tyrone. Successful teams have some sort of cynical edge. Both Dublin and Kerry do. Tyrone's problem is they are not as good as either, are not traditional media darlings and because they have had the same manager for so long it seems that they have a longer history of it.
Dublin only need to be cynical in about two games a year.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 30, 2015, 05:59:16 PM
The problem you have is that Dublin are nowhere near as in your face with the cynical play as Tyrone. Successful teams have some sort of cynical edge. Both Dublin and Kerry do. Tyrone's problem is they are not as good as either, are not traditional media darlings and because they have had the same manager for so long it seems that they have a longer history of it.
Dublin only need to be cynical in about two games a year.
Plus the odd challenge game. ;D
Sweep Sweep job in action tonight.
Dublin had as many unsavoury incidents in one game today than Tyrone have had in three seasons and nothing more than the scant lip service of "nasty undercurrent" to the game. Could you imagine the outrage if Philly McMahon or Johnny Cooper played for Tyrone?
I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
I don't think this game can be sweep under the carpet at the semi final stage, Suspension for McMahon for the attempted headbutt, Connolly suspension for striking with closed fist, the incident with parsons wouldn't come into it. The Cooper incident the only one in question, can this be revisited as the ref issued a yellow card. In all a worse advert for the game than the Monaghan Tyrone Game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2015, 10:51:53 PM
I don't think this game can be sweep under the carpet at the semi final stage, Suspension for McMahon for the attempted headbutt, Connolly suspension for striking with closed fist, the incident with parsons wouldn't come into it. The Cooper incident the only one in question, can this be revisited as the ref issued a yellow card. In all a worse advert for the game than the Monaghan Tyrone Game.
I think O'Connor needs to be nailed also... I thought it was a blatant strike with little provocation! You'd get that kind of abuse in a minor match!
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 10:53:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
screenexile no harm to you but that wasn't even a free in the O`Connor incident, got opened in a few games, most of the time accidents, which is what that is no less.
Quote from: hardstation on August 30, 2015, 05:53:55 PM
I'm almost sure McMahon threw 2 punches to the head at the Mayo penalty. Just after they hit the ground
Well spotted hardstation, he did indeed.
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2015, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 10:53:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
Whelo hoping for a kind CHC just like Tyrone and Monaghan and Mayo got 2 weeks ago.
Not so sure if they will be as generous.
Be interesting to see if any disrepute charges are proposed.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 30, 2015, 11:37:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2015, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 10:53:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 30, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
Tortured and harrassed within the rules of the game. He had no place portraying a lie that there were two of them at it today and Johnny Cooper is a great lad, etc. Did he incriminate Monaghan in the same way when Tyrone played them and say Tiernan McCann is a great lad or say Tiernan will wake up in the morning and regret what he did? No. It is very clear(now after this game) that Tyrone were victimised by TSG panel and ultimately it was detrimental to their chance of a crack at the final.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
Tortured and harrassed within the rules of the game. He had no place portraying a lie that there were two of them at it today and Johnny Cooper is a great lad, etc. Did he incriminate Monaghan in the same way when Tyrone played them and say Tiernan McCann is a great lad or say Tiernan will wake up in the morning and regret what he did? No. It is very clear(now after this game) that Tyrone were victimised by TSG panel and ultimately it was detrimental to their chance of a crack at the final.
Would you wise up. He didn't incriminate Monaghan because he had no reason to. Your tactics won that game for you but obviously that's not enough for you and shoulder chip is as evident as ever.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
Tortured and harrassed within the rules of the game. He had no place portraying a lie that there were two of them at it today and Johnny Cooper is a great lad, etc. Did he incriminate Monaghan in the same way when Tyrone played them and say Tiernan McCann is a great lad or say Tiernan will wake up in the morning and regret what he did? No. It is very clear(now after this game) that Tyrone were victimised by TSG panel and ultimately it was detrimental to their chance of a crack at the final.
Would you wise up. He didn't incriminate Monaghan because he had no reason to. Your tactics won that game for you but obviously that's not enough for you and shoulder chip is as evident as ever.
Had he less reason to incriminate Monaghan's targetting of Cavanagh than Mayo's alleged 'targetting' of Connolly? Tyrone spoiled a game for 10 minutes in order to get over the line-granted. I definitely have a chip on my shoulder as to how it was escalated by Whelan and co and it annoys me even more to hear him euphamise incidents today and not hold the hand up and say 'Dublin were a disgrace', choosing instead to fabricate 'two to tango' scenario.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
Tortured and harrassed within the rules of the game. He had no place portraying a lie that there were two of them at it today and Johnny Cooper is a great lad, etc. Did he incriminate Monaghan in the same way when Tyrone played them and say Tiernan McCann is a great lad or say Tiernan will wake up in the morning and regret what he did? No. It is very clear(now after this game) that Tyrone were victimised by TSG panel and ultimately it was detrimental to their chance of a crack at the final.
Would you wise up. He didn't incriminate Monaghan because he had no reason to. Your tactics won that game for you but obviously that's not enough for you and shoulder chip is as evident as ever.
Had he less reason to incriminate Monaghan's targetting of Cavanagh than Mayo's alleged 'targetting' of Connolly? Tyrone spoiled a game for 10 minutes in order to get over the line-granted. I definitely have a chip on my shoulder as to how it was escalated by Whelan and co and it annoys me even more to hear him euphamise incidents today and not hold the hand up and say 'Dublin were a disgrace', choosing instead to fabricate 'two to tango' scenario.
Did you actually see it? Whelan was more scathing of what went on than anyone else.
Saying anything else devalues previous grievances.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
Tortured and harrassed within the rules of the game. He had no place portraying a lie that there were two of them at it today and Johnny Cooper is a great lad, etc. Did he incriminate Monaghan in the same way when Tyrone played them and say Tiernan McCann is a great lad or say Tiernan will wake up in the morning and regret what he did? No. It is very clear(now after this game) that Tyrone were victimised by TSG panel and ultimately it was detrimental to their chance of a crack at the final.
Would you wise up. He didn't incriminate Monaghan because he had no reason to. Your tactics won that game for you but obviously that's not enough for you and shoulder chip is as evident as ever.
Had he less reason to incriminate Monaghan's targetting of Cavanagh than Mayo's alleged 'targetting' of Connolly? Tyrone spoiled a game for 10 minutes in order to get over the line-granted. I definitely have a chip on my shoulder as to how it was escalated by Whelan and co and it annoys me even more to hear him euphamise incidents today and not hold the hand up and say 'Dublin were a disgrace', choosing instead to fabricate 'two to tango' scenario.
Did you actually see it? Whelan was more scathing of what went on than anyone else.
Saying anything else devalues previous grievances.
He wasn't as scathing as McStay, at least McStay was consistent (to the shite that TSG partakes in) in singling out and incriminating McMahon (which I believe is wrong). Whelan mentioned that there was a lot of off-the-ball stuff, O'Shea and Connolly were targetted, Cooper's tackle was a red card (but that he was a grand lad, etc.), MDM's card was harsh. This isn't a true reflection of the game or these incidents. Dublin were cynical throughout right to the end. Mayo weren't. Compare this to him asking Tiernan can to make a public apology for taking a dive. Why should we not question double standards from these guys.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
He never defended anyone?
"Johnny Cooper is not that type of player" for one of the most thuggish and dangerous acts I've seen on a football pitch in a long time
Compare and contrast with his demands for McCann to make a public apology for his dive, a hypocritical bastard.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
He never defended anyone?
"Johnny Cooper is not that type of player" for one of the most thuggish and dangerous acts I've seen on a football pitch in a long time
Compare and contrast with his demands for McCann to make a public apology for his dive, a hypocritical b**tard.
Not defending Jonny at all. He deserved a straight red. But you mustn't watch alot of football if that constitutes the "the most thuggish and dangerous acts" you have seen .
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
He never defended anyone?
"Johnny Cooper is not that type of player" for one of the most thuggish and dangerous acts I've seen on a football pitch in a long time
Compare and contrast with his demands for McCann to make a public apology for his dive, a hypocritical b**tard.
Not defending Jonny at all. He deserved a straight red. But you mustn't watch alot of football if that constitutes the "the most thuggish and dangerous acts" you have seen .
Maybe premeditated and calculated attempts to injure players is common place in Dublin but that's as thuggish and sinister a move as I've seen in Championship football in a long time. Diarmuid O'Connor can rule himself very fortunate his season isn't finished and he avoided a serious injury.
Nothing new for Cooper as he committed a very trampy action on Heslin in the Leinster Final this year. I guess he plays for the right team on so far that his actions aren't highlighted.
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I thought the SG did ok. They were caught between accusations of being anti-Tyrone and accusations at being anti-positivity.
To be fair to Whelan, I don't think a Tyrone pundit on the show would have been any more willing to hold up their hands.
This is the same guy who called for McCann to come out and apologise for his indiscretion, he then defends Cooper for one of the scummiest acts I've seen on a pitch for a very long time.
Hypocrisy at his finest.
Do you want The Sunday Game to call the agenda or not? We have a weeks of people saying TSG shouldn't be calling for sanctions and then when they don't they're criticised for it.
That's not the point. Whelan assumed the position of a defending manager tonight whereas with the McCann incident, he assumed the role of the prosecutor. He also tried his best to downplay the antics of the Dublin players tonight and incriminate the Mayo boys when it was clear to all who watched the game who were the main tr**p-actors today. I don't believe either Connolly or O'Shea were consistently targettted illegally today but Whelan used this lie as a distraction to Dublin's consistent fouling that was only really punished after half time.
That's nonsense. O'Shea was tortured throughout and I only saw Connolly once and he was being harassed like fook.
Whelan said people need to stop kidding themselves and that the cynicism was out of order today. He never defended anyone.
Pretending to be victimised does no one any favours.
He never defended anyone?
"Johnny Cooper is not that type of player" for one of the most thuggish and dangerous acts I've seen on a football pitch in a long time
Compare and contrast with his demands for McCann to make a public apology for his dive, a hypocritical b**tard.
Not defending Jonny at all. He deserved a straight red. But you mustn't watch alot of football if that constitutes the "the most thuggish and dangerous acts" you have seen .
It was certainly the most thuggish incident in the game yesterday. Cooper had his eyes fixed on the opponent and deliberately planted his studs into O'Connor. It was a cowardly act that deserves a 3 match ban.
Saw this on twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vode0lF9tX4
Fast forward to 2:10 and watch closely. Apparently diving is a new, Tyrone phenomenon, only creeping in from intercounty players and soccerballers.
Quote from: stibhan on September 01, 2015, 09:31:44 PM
Saw this on twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vode0lF9tX4
Fast forward to 2:10 and watch closely. Apparently diving is a new, Tyrone phenomenon, only creeping in from intercounty players and soccerballers.
;D ;D ;D
Thats hilarious made O'Mahoney's look Daniel Day Lewis.
Although in fairness the diving skills have improved, but maybe thats down to a generation raised on WWF/WCW
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Saw this on twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vode0lF9tX4
Fast forward to 2:10 and watch closely. Apparently diving is a new, Tyrone phenomenon, only creeping in from intercounty players and soccerballers.
Well it was the year that soccer threatened to supplant Gaelic games in the hearts of the plain people of Ireland. The GAA had to engineer the four-game saga between Meath and Dublin to show everyone what really mattered.
You have to love the dismissive reaction of the ref.