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So we find ourselves at this stage of the year again, four left each with different motivating factors, Kilkenny aiming to achieve immortality, Cork trying to prove they still have the pedigree and the legs, Tipp looking to prove last year was no flash in the pan and that they truely are team to take kilkennys plint and Waterford seeking to end a 51 year famine with some of the old heads who so many people would not begrudge a celtic cross for the entertainment they have provided since the breakthrough year for them in 1998, also looking to put the disaster of the 2008 final to bed.

Cork vs Kilkenny,
The one thing about Cork is that they fear noone it's bred into them down leeside, They feel it is their god given right to be making their way to Croke Park in September, however attitude alone will not be enough you would say against these opponents. The Cats although not looking as impressive this year (in my opinion) as they have done in years previous are still odds on favorites for the championship and with good cause. This team oozes class from every line on the pitch including the sideline. I can't see Cork overcoming this one, however if they can perform at the pace they did for the tipp game i think kilkenny will be pushed close.  my prediction kilkenny by 5 points.

Waterford vs Tipp,
Waterford play a completely different style of hurling this year than we have come to expect of them, gone is the wreckless abandon with which they played for the past ten years or so, in place they now have a very formidable defence built on work ethic and commitment. With The Brick at half back they have a linch pin which holds it altogether with dogged determination. They also now have a much stronger bench than i can remember them having ever, with impact subs like shanahan and mcgrath waiting in the wings. Tipp will be in no doubt they will get nothing easy having watched tapes of the munster finals, but they know what they have to do, i think alot will depend on the eoin kelly and eoin murphy tussle as it has in these games over the last few years, if kelly is on form and wins a couple of early balls to boost confidence murphy could be in for a tough days work. however the same could be said for mullane and which ever tipp back is charged with curtailling him. my prediction is Waterford by 2 points

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on July 27, 2010, 05:38:54 PM
my prediction is Waterford by 2 points

*shits self*

lol getting nervous are we

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on July 28, 2010, 11:19:00 AM
lol getting nervous are we

Just a little.

On a less flippant note, it's interesting how different a beast Waterford are this year. Davy Fitz really has put his stamp on the team and it does give reason for confidence in the sense that at least we'll be trying something different to what we tried in 2009. And 2007, 2006, 2004, 2002 . . . whether that will be enough, we'll see. Eoin Kelly doesn't look like the player he was and Stephen Molumphy hasn't progressed from the clever-but-raw player we first saw in 2007. We have no idea who should be played at full-forward and I'm not convinced our bench is all it's cracked up to be either, Dan has lost it and Ken McGrath is held together with Band-Aids. On a more positive note, Clinton Hennessy is in the form of his life, Liam Lawlor could be the full back we've been yearning for since Sean Cullinane retired and Shane O'Sullivan and Riche Foley no longer look like souped-up winter hurlers. Onwards and upwards!

It's nice this year that I can really be happy for most of the potential winners. I'm living in Newport, so I'd like to see Conor O'Mahoney getting to bring Liam back to Ryans. It'd make some night.

I'm a big admirer of Kilkenny and would like to see them get their due reward of the 5 in a row. (And then bugger off for 10 years!).

Waterford is a county I've had a soft spot for (some relations down there) and their holy grail quest was great in the last 10 years, and it would be sweet for them to win it on the basis that everyone thought they'd shot their bolt in 2008.

AZ you only seem to have mentioned 3 from 4  ;)

Quote from: AZOffaly on July 28, 2010, 11:38:50 AM
It's nice this year that I can really be happy for most of the potential winners. I'm living in Newport, so I'd like to see Conor O'Mahoney getting to bring Liam back to Ryans. It'd make some night.

I'm a big admirer of Kilkenny and would like to see them get their due reward of the 5 in a row. (And then bugger off for 10 years!).

Waterford is a county I've had a soft spot for (some relations down there) and their holy grail quest was great in the last 10 years, and it would be sweet for them to win it on the basis that everyone thought they'd shot their bolt in 2008.

In all seriousness, I do have respect for Cork and what they have done over the years, and their pig headed determination to f*ck the begrudgers. I have a lot more time for Donal Óg after reading his book, but I just can't warm to them as a team at all.

Quote from: deiseach on July 28, 2010, 11:33:06 AM

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on July 28, 2010, 11:19:00 AM
lol getting nervous are we

Eoin Kelly doesn't look like the player he was and Stephen Molumphy hasn't progressed from the clever-but-raw player we first saw in 2007.

i dont think kelly is being given as much freedom as he was under the old system and as for molumpy i think the hard graft he does is admirable, he also has a knack off getting the ball into his hand in very tight situations which has been good for waterford under the breaking balls.

Quote from: AZOffaly on July 28, 2010, 12:00:03 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on July 28, 2010, 11:38:50 AM
It's nice this year that I can really be happy for most of the potential winners. I'm living in Newport, so I'd like to see Conor O'Mahoney getting to bring Liam back to Ryans. It'd make some night.

I'm a big admirer of Kilkenny and would like to see them get their due reward of the 5 in a row. (And then bugger off for 10 years!).

Waterford is a county I've had a soft spot for (some relations down there) and their holy grail quest was great in the last 10 years, and it would be sweet for them to win it on the basis that everyone thought they'd shot their bolt in 2008.

In all seriousness, I do have respect for Cork and what they have done over the years, and their pig headed determination to f*ck the begrudgers. I have a lot more time for Donal Óg after reading his book, but I just can't warm to them as a team at all.

Hopefully that's the plan against Kilkenny, one of many many things to put on the dressing room wall. Take all that pain, all that resentment and all our frustrations and throw it at them, along with the kitchen sink. We need just about everything we can find to help us.
Our pure screw what everyone else thinks, Cork attitude, the refs against us, the media's against us, they're all against us, we're written off, this is it, this is our last chance..etc. well it worked in the past, it worked against Galway a few years ago, it worked against Tipp.
We need to do something though, something unpredicatable that will work for us..something..anything. Just the thought of Aisake starting against Kilkenny makes me want to scream, Hickey will be just so delighted if he's to mark him.
We need something original, not to play straight into Kilkenny's hands.

And on another note, I know a few people who've totally changed their mind about Donal Og after reading his book. Not a bad read at all.

speaking of books, remember this?

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Corcoran joins 'trash talkers'

ONE of the most appealing features of the GAA has always been the obvious respect the players have for each other. No matter how hard the game is or how fierce the rivalry, hurlers and footballers have nothing but praise for each other when they leave the pitch.

Football and hurling have been spared the tabloid-driven bad-mouthing culture of soccer. The habit is so prevalent in American sport they even have a name for it, 'Trash Talk.' That's why the recent macho media posturing of the Australian Rules players struck such a false note. Whatever their other faults, GAA players don't go in for that kind of useless chat.

Or at least they didn't. Not till the release of Brian Corcoran's autobiography in which the Cork player decides to dispense with the good manners which up till now have been central to relations between teams.

Corcoran reveals that in the run-up to Cork's All-Ireland hurling semi-final against Waterford, the Rebels had two posters made up, entitled, 'Our World,' and 'Their World.' Our World contained a list of the many positive qualities possessed by Cork. Their World listed the qualities the Corkmen thought were typical of Waterford, including, "Losing. Fighting Among Themselves. Playing for oneself, not the team. Relying on luck. Bringing others down to their level."

There you have it. Cork's opinion of Waterford, not merely used in the build-up to the game but proudly repeated in print by Corcoran. You can't finesse this one or minimise it. According to Cork, Waterford's players fight among themselves, play for themselves rather than the team, rely on luck and bring others down to their level. It is probably the most insulting thing to be written about one group of hurlers by another.

Elsewhere Corcoran accuses Waterford of being a group of individuals rather than a team, claims that Tony Browne gave up in the 2005 All-Ireland quarter-final, something which a Cork player would never do, and notes that Waterford clubs seem to be perpetually fighting each other in the latter stages of their county championship.

To top it all, he notes that the big difference between the current Cork and Waterford teams is that, "they are playing for greatness within their own county but we are playing for greatness in the history of hurling."

These insults would be bad enough if they were true. But they are actually a distortion of reality which gravely traduce a team which has given much to hurling over the last decade.

Take that line about, "bringing others down to their level." Well, the best game of hurling in recent years was the 2004 Munster final when Waterford actually brought hurling up to a level that Cork could not match.

I have not noticed the likes of Paul Flynn, Ken McGrath, Tony Browne and Dan Shanahan playing for themselves and not the team either. And I'm not convinced that Eoin Kelly, John Mullane and Dave Bennett rely on luck rather than skill.

This idea that Cork do everything right and Waterford do everything wrong is bizarre in the extreme. Cork have enormous resources of population to call on, much greater than that of any other hurling county. Their current team includes players with All-Ireland under-21 and minor medals. Waterford, by contrast, have had little success at under-age level and have nothing like Cork's pick. In the circumstances Justin McCarthy's two Munster titles may be just as impressive a feat as the two All-Irelands Donal O'Grady and John Allen steered Cork to.

(It goes without saying, of course, that Cork's caricature of Waterford is two fingers to McCarthy who is being portrayed as a manager who'd put up with this kind of rubbish from his team.)

So what's going on? Why has Corcoran opted to break with tradition and stick the boot into the Decies? He's not the kind of guy you'd have expected to come out with something like this after a long career during which he always played the game in an exemplary spirit. Having interviewed him, I'd have to say that he struck me as a modest man and most unlikely trash talker.

Perhaps the problem is that the Erin's Own man has become affected by the prevailing philosophy of a Cork side which, in recent years, became the most self-aggrandising outfit in the history of Gaelic games. He probably didn't have anything against Waterford, they just happened to sustain collateral damage as Cork rained down missiles of praise upon themselves.

This idea that Cork do everything right and Waterford do everything wrong is bizarre in the extreme

For example, in the same chapter where he disses the Decies, Corcoran describes a speech he gave to his team-mates outside the Burlington on the morning of that semi-final where he went on, at surprising length for a rainy day, about the parallels between Cork and Tiger Woods (they are Tiger to Waterford's Sergio Garcia, was the jist of it.)

But the unpalatable truth for Corcoran and his team-mates is that they inhabit a completely different universe from Tiger Woods and invoking his example, as though they were his equals, is deluded in the extreme. It's like a man who's just built six houses in Glanmire invoking the example of Donald Trump. Or a lad who plays the casio organ in the corner of the pub of a Saturday night telling you he understands Michael Jackson's paranoia because that's how it goes when you're a pop star.

Tiger has to take on the best in the world, the pick of every country where they play golf. Every failure of nerve or technique has the potential to cost him vast sums of money. Brian Corcoran has to take on opponents from a handful of counties on a small island. And he'll still get paid at the end of the week no matter how he does.

This is not to belittle hurling, just to put it into perspective. You don't love your wife any the less because she's not Eva Herzigova just as she's forgiven you for not being Brad Pitt. But it's this notion that Gaelic games should ape professional sport which is at the heart of Corcoran's witless words on Waterford. The whole book is obviously inspired by books on American sports where this kind of nonsense is a lingua franca.

Seeing it applied to our own games is an unpleasant experience. It's like wandering into an old beloved GAA bar, the type that used to have Carrolls All-Stars posters on the wall and a man who knew Mick Mackey in the corner, and finding it's been transformed into Big Tex's All-American Sports Bar And Grill.

The last laugh, of course, is on the author. Because after all the huffing and putting Cork didn't even win the All-Ireland. And though Corcoran claims that, "no other team has been as professional as us, no other team has our team spirit, no other team has made the sacrifices we have," it is Kilkenny who have been the best team of the contemporary era.

Judging by the book, Cork are fond of their stats. So here's a stat: Five All-Irelands, Kilkenny 3 Cork 2.

Without (one suspects) Brian Cody having recourse to posters denigrating the opposition, the Cats have done just fine.

as a little bored at work exercise, perhaps we could fill in separate 'Our World', 'Their World' venn diagrams for this years semi. Would be interesting for sure!

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 28, 2010, 03:54:15 PM
speaking of books, remember this?

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Corcoran joins 'trash talkers'

ONE of the most appealing features of the GAA has always been the obvious respect the players have for each other. No matter how hard the game is or how fierce the rivalry, hurlers and footballers have nothing but praise for each other when they leave the pitch.

Football and hurling have been spared the tabloid-driven bad-mouthing culture of soccer. The habit is so prevalent in American sport they even have a name for it, 'Trash Talk.' That's why the recent macho media posturing of the Australian Rules players struck such a false note. Whatever their other faults, GAA players don't go in for that kind of useless chat.

Or at least they didn't. Not till the release of Brian Corcoran's autobiography in which the Cork player decides to dispense with the good manners which up till now have been central to relations between teams.

Corcoran reveals that in the run-up to Cork's All-Ireland hurling semi-final against Waterford, the Rebels had two posters made up, entitled, 'Our World,' and 'Their World.' Our World contained a list of the many positive qualities possessed by Cork. Their World listed the qualities the Corkmen thought were typical of Waterford, including, "Losing. Fighting Among Themselves. Playing for oneself, not the team. Relying on luck. Bringing others down to their level."

There you have it. Cork's opinion of Waterford, not merely used in the build-up to the game but proudly repeated in print by Corcoran. You can't finesse this one or minimise it. According to Cork, Waterford's players fight among themselves, play for themselves rather than the team, rely on luck and bring others down to their level. It is probably the most insulting thing to be written about one group of hurlers by another.

Elsewhere Corcoran accuses Waterford of being a group of individuals rather than a team, claims that Tony Browne gave up in the 2005 All-Ireland quarter-final, something which a Cork player would never do, and notes that Waterford clubs seem to be perpetually fighting each other in the latter stages of their county championship.

To top it all, he notes that the big difference between the current Cork and Waterford teams is that, "they are playing for greatness within their own county but we are playing for greatness in the history of hurling."

These insults would be bad enough if they were true. But they are actually a distortion of reality which gravely traduce a team which has given much to hurling over the last decade.

Take that line about, "bringing others down to their level." Well, the best game of hurling in recent years was the 2004 Munster final when Waterford actually brought hurling up to a level that Cork could not match.

I have not noticed the likes of Paul Flynn, Ken McGrath, Tony Browne and Dan Shanahan playing for themselves and not the team either. And I'm not convinced that Eoin Kelly, John Mullane and Dave Bennett rely on luck rather than skill.

This idea that Cork do everything right and Waterford do everything wrong is bizarre in the extreme. Cork have enormous resources of population to call on, much greater than that of any other hurling county. Their current team includes players with All-Ireland under-21 and minor medals. Waterford, by contrast, have had little success at under-age level and have nothing like Cork's pick. In the circumstances Justin McCarthy's two Munster titles may be just as impressive a feat as the two All-Irelands Donal O'Grady and John Allen steered Cork to.

(It goes without saying, of course, that Cork's caricature of Waterford is two fingers to McCarthy who is being portrayed as a manager who'd put up with this kind of rubbish from his team.)

So what's going on? Why has Corcoran opted to break with tradition and stick the boot into the Decies? He's not the kind of guy you'd have expected to come out with something like this after a long career during which he always played the game in an exemplary spirit. Having interviewed him, I'd have to say that he struck me as a modest man and most unlikely trash talker.

Perhaps the problem is that the Erin's Own man has become affected by the prevailing philosophy of a Cork side which, in recent years, became the most self-aggrandising outfit in the history of Gaelic games. He probably didn't have anything against Waterford, they just happened to sustain collateral damage as Cork rained down missiles of praise upon themselves.

This idea that Cork do everything right and Waterford do everything wrong is bizarre in the extreme

For example, in the same chapter where he disses the Decies, Corcoran describes a speech he gave to his team-mates outside the Burlington on the morning of that semi-final where he went on, at surprising length for a rainy day, about the parallels between Cork and Tiger Woods (they are Tiger to Waterford's Sergio Garcia, was the jist of it.)

But the unpalatable truth for Corcoran and his team-mates is that they inhabit a completely different universe from Tiger Woods and invoking his example, as though they were his equals, is deluded in the extreme. It's like a man who's just built six houses in Glanmire invoking the example of Donald Trump. Or a lad who plays the casio organ in the corner of the pub of a Saturday night telling you he understands Michael Jackson's paranoia because that's how it goes when you're a pop star.

Tiger has to take on the best in the world, the pick of every country where they play golf. Every failure of nerve or technique has the potential to cost him vast sums of money. Brian Corcoran has to take on opponents from a handful of counties on a small island. And he'll still get paid at the end of the week no matter how he does.

This is not to belittle hurling, just to put it into perspective. You don't love your wife any the less because she's not Eva Herzigova just as she's forgiven you for not being Brad Pitt. But it's this notion that Gaelic games should ape professional sport which is at the heart of Corcoran's witless words on Waterford. The whole book is obviously inspired by books on American sports where this kind of nonsense is a lingua franca.

Seeing it applied to our own games is an unpleasant experience. It's like wandering into an old beloved GAA bar, the type that used to have Carrolls All-Stars posters on the wall and a man who knew Mick Mackey in the corner, and finding it's been transformed into Big Tex's All-American Sports Bar And Grill.

The last laugh, of course, is on the author. Because after all the huffing and putting Cork didn't even win the All-Ireland. And though Corcoran claims that, "no other team has been as professional as us, no other team has our team spirit, no other team has made the sacrifices we have," it is Kilkenny who have been the best team of the contemporary era.

Judging by the book, Cork are fond of their stats. So here's a stat: Five All-Irelands, Kilkenny 3 Cork 2.

Without (one suspects) Brian Cody having recourse to posters denigrating the opposition, the Cats have done just fine.

as a little bored at work exercise, perhaps we could fill in separate 'Our World', 'Their World' venn diagrams for this years semi. Would be interesting for sure!

Slow day at the office? Haha.

Looking at that, I don't know where to begin to be fair. Your passage there is so outdated.

First off that quote at the time was true, a couple of years ago. But in 04/05 where he was talking about the Waterford dressing room that was largely true.
Things change, a lot has changed in 4 years. Bringing that up now, well it's irrelevant. It's outdated and really has nothing to do with anything today.
And Corcoran is so called having a go at Justin McCarthy, funny to see how much time has changed. Now, I'm pretty sure the Cork players have a lot more time for him as the Waterford players ever had.

Something that is never mentioned and is something that those with a selective memory choose to forget, do you not remember how the Waterford players treated Justin McCarthy?

As for your world their world idea, well I've no doubt the selective memory will kick in.

justin had taken them as far as he could and it was time for a change, at the time i didn't agree with it at all but looking back i think it was time for him to go. Davy altough a little boll**ks has a fighting spirit in the camp that justin never managed to invoke. justin and gerald mccarthy deserve a hell of alot of credit for pulling waterford back into contention for serious honors, however none managed to still have a team in the championship come september.

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on July 28, 2010, 04:37:19 PM
justin had taken them as far as he could and it was time for a change, at the time i didn't agree with it at all but looking back i think it was time for him to go. Davy altough a little boll**ks has a fighting spirit in the camp that justin never managed to invoke. justin and gerald mccarthy deserve a hell of alot of credit for pulling waterford back into contention for serious honors, however none managed to still have a team in the championship come september.

Time for change, but the way they did it, amazing how people forget.

it was over with quickly unlike the drawn out saga that has been seen in limerick with justin. it let the team get on with things asap, alot to be said for the way they did it not best for justin granted but for the team i think so.

QuoteJust the thought of Aisake starting against Kilkenny makes me want to scream, Hickey will be just so delighted if he's to mark him.
We need something original, not to play straight into Kilkenny's hands.

Maybe Aisake could try and headbutt Hickey, now that would be original.

Quote from: Reillers on July 28, 2010, 04:21:34 PM
Your passage there is so outdated.

well it relates to a book that was written back then so, no, its not outdated at all. Unless Corcoran has admitted he made a mistake and rewrote it since.

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 29, 2010, 08:55:44 AM

Quote from: Reillers on July 28, 2010, 04:21:34 PM
Your passage there is so outdated.

well it relates to a book that was written back then so, no, its not outdated at all. Unless Corcoran has admitted he made a mistake and rewrote it since.

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It was relevant back then, it isn't now like 4 years later. Times have changed. Slot has changed in 4 years.                         

Quote from: Reillers on July 29, 2010, 10:04:40 AM

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 29, 2010, 08:55:44 AM

Quote from: Reillers on July 28, 2010, 04:21:34 PM
Your passage there is so outdated.

well it relates to a book that was written back then so, no, its not outdated at all. Unless Corcoran has admitted he made a mistake and rewrote it since.

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It was relevant back then, it isn't now like 4 years later. Times have changed. Slot has changed in 4 years.                         

way to miss the point

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 29, 2010, 11:07:04 AM

Quote from: Reillers on July 29, 2010, 10:04:40 AM

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 29, 2010, 08:55:44 AM

Quote from: Reillers on July 28, 2010, 04:21:34 PM
Your passage there is so outdated.

well it relates to a book that was written back then so, no, its not outdated at all. Unless Corcoran has admitted he made a mistake and rewrote it since.

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It was relevant back then, it isn't now like 4 years later. Times have changed. Slot has changed in 4 years.                         

way to miss the point

It's not about missing the point, you're trying to stirr shite from a book that was written 4 years ago.

But if a Ref made a 'mistake' four years ago its still relevent, is it?

Quote from: johnneycool on July 29, 2010, 03:42:07 PM
But if a Ref made a 'mistake' four years ago its still relevent, is it?

If a ref continues to make game changing mistakes again and again, it is relevant. But all refs make mistakes. Some just more obvious and game changing than others. I guess it's just unfortunate that when Cork fans think of Brian Gavin they think of mistakes that have cost us matches. It is totally relevant to worry that that same ref will make more mistakes again when he refs the game.

I'd forgotten how bad that stuff from Corcoran's book was. I was laughing reading it. Seems all the more deluded given the way Kilkenny have trampled over Cork these last few years and Waterford have won most of their recent battles with Cork. It must have been particularly sweet for Tony Browne in the recent Munster Finals. In fairness to Corcoran he was a great hurler and by all accounts this stuff was out of character for him. I'll be cheering for Cork in the semi though. Like a few others I've a lot more time for Donal Og after reading his book.

pitty corcoran's book had the opposite effect.

Quote from: Asal Mor on July 29, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
I'd forgotten how bad that stuff from Corcoran's book was. I was laughing reading it. Seems all the more deluded given the way Kilkenny have trampled over Cork these last few years and Waterford have won most of their recent battles with Cork. It must have been particularly sweet for Tony Browne in the recent Munster Finals. In fairness to Corcoran he was a great hurler and by all accounts this stuff was out of character for him. I'll be cheering for Cork in the semi though. Like a few others I've a lot more time for Donal Og after reading his book.

Ya it wasn't the best to be fair. Donal Og's book on the other hand was excellent, read it more than once and to be fair it has changed a lot of people's opinion of him. A good friend of mine got a present of his book for Christmas, as a joke, he hated him, read it on the plane to Australia and thought it was excellent, and has time for him now. Incredible the power it has.

Yeah it was powerful stuff Reillers. I was especially impressed by how driven he was and how much losing hurt him. That stuff about turning off the lights in the gym and screaming into the darkness. Most people would think it's madness and it probably is in fairness but sport has always meant an awful lot to me and I can relate to it. He puts some amount of work and thought into his game and it's showed on the pitch where his performances have never dropped below excellent even in Cork's recent troubled years.

Quote from: Asal Mor on July 30, 2010, 12:36:35 AM
Yeah it was powerful stuff Reillers. I was especially impressed by how driven he was and how much losing hurt him. That stuff about turning off the lights in the gym and screaming into the darkness. Most people would think it's madness and it probably is in fairness but sport has always meant an awful lot to me and I can relate to it. He puts some amount of work and thought into his game and it's showed on the pitch where his performances have never dropped below excellent even in Cork's recent troubled years.

Sounds like a bit of a nutter when you break it all down like that. Haha. I thought the part when they were in Zambia was pretty funny..well some of it. It really reveals a lot about the team and the man himself. Would really recomend it to just about anyone, whether they have time for him or not. It really is a good read.

Yeah if that's the bit about the elephant it's hilarious. Frank Murphy sounds like a likeable enough fella away from GAA politics.

Quote from: Asal Mor on July 30, 2010, 10:01:48 AM
Yeah if that's the bit about the elephant it's hilarious. Frank Murphy sounds like a likeable enough fella away from GAA politics.

No, that was a team holiday, but that was fuckin hillarious. It was where him and Hartnett were over in Africa with the Alan Kerins project.

Glen and Bride have been reinstated, and fined €10,000 each, what a ridiculous joke. Just what a fuckin mess, games postponed. Team in, out, in again. The whole thing was handled badly from start to finish by CCB and nobody thought of the consequences. And €10,000 is a joke. It'll hit both clubs badly, and where's the money going to come from..the senior side of the club, who were responsible for it? No..of course not, it will as always come from the juvenille section. Just really badly handled and wasted a hell of a lot of time.

Quote from: Reillers on July 30, 2010, 07:56:44 PM
Glen and Bride have been reinstated, and fined €10,000 each, what a ridiculous joke. Just what a fuckin mess, games postponed. Team in, out, in again. The whole thing was handled badly from start to finish by CCB and nobody thought of the consequences. And €10,000 is a joke. It'll hit both clubs badly, and where's the money going to come from..the senior side of the club, who were responsible for it? No..of course not, it will as always come from the juvenille section. Just really badly handled and wasted a hell of a lot of time.

How would you have handled it from start to finish including all relevant committees?

Quote from: Reillers on July 30, 2010, 07:56:44 PM
Glen and Bride have been reinstated, and fined €10,000 each, what a ridiculous joke. Just what a fuckin mess, games postponed. Team in, out, in again. The whole thing was handled badly from start to finish by CCB and nobody thought of the consequences. And €10,000 is a joke. It'll hit both clubs badly, and where's the money going to come from..the senior side of the club, who were responsible for it? No..of course not, it will as always come from the juvenille section. Just really badly handled and wasted a hell of a lot of time.

Did Frank start the row Reillers?

dont forget to vote in the poll.

John Tennyson's seasons over, did in his cruciate again unfortunately. Pity the lads been flying. Hopefully he'll bounce back.

Bad blow for the man, great hurler but Cody will have quality hurlers to fill his position. Mick Kavanagh has not got a look in this year with Dalton taking over in the corner. seems his run with the club (who beat my team >:( >:() has maybe ended his first team appearances

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 03, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
Bad blow for the man, great hurler but Cody will have quality hurlers to fill his position. Mick Kavanagh has not got a look in this year with Dalton taking over in the corner. seems his run with the club (who beat my team >:( >:() has maybe ended his first team appearances

Ya, he worked really hard to get back to where he is and only to get injured again must be hard to stomach. Still, he'll hopefully bounce back quickly. But when you look at the quality on the Kilkenny bench they really don't loose much.
Hogan is still struggling with his ankle and mightn't make it.

As for Cork, Sean Og probably will be fit, but it's a race against the clock for Shane O Neill and Jerry O Connor. Both would be massive losses. Fingers crossed though, we've till Thursday to get everyone fit. But hopefully everyone will be fit and ready to go.

I saw O Neill today and he was moving fine,  he was limping heavily last week but seems to be ok now. According to one of his teamates he will be fine for Sunday! They need him big time!!

Quote from: cicfada on August 03, 2010, 10:25:41 PM
I saw O Neill today and he was moving fine,  he was limping heavily last week but seems to be ok now. According to one of his teamates he will be fine for Sunday! They need him big time!!

Ya, got word earlier that all 3 will make it. We desperately need Shane O Neill though. Thankfully they'll all play a part.

Quote from: Reillers on August 03, 2010, 10:27:33 PM

Quote from: cicfada on August 03, 2010, 10:25:41 PM
I saw O Neill today and he was moving fine,  he was limping heavily last week but seems to be ok now. According to one of his teamates he will be fine for Sunday! They need him big time!!

Ya, got word earlier that all 3 will make it. We desperately need Shane O Neill though. Thankfully they'll all play a part.

BY 'getting word' you mean you read it on PROC

That's great news. I think it would be great for the championship if Cork can make a real match of this. Even better if they could win. Really looking forward to this one. They don't come any bigger.

I have to say I feel that there is a bit of a beating coming this weekend. I really dont see Cork getting to the required level of pace or power to live wih them.

I dunno lads. I'm beginning to get a feeling in my water. I hope it's a kidney infection.

If Kilkenny were to be caught cold this year it'd be the semi-final, however as their opponents are now Cork they'll want to open up on them and as good as the Cork defence are it's hard to see them holding the tide back for the full 70 minutes.

The Cats by 8 in the end.

Beating Cork in the semi-final, then Tipp in the final would be the stuff of dreams for Kilkenny to claim their five in a row.

I spoke to Shane O 'Neill today and in his words he is touch and  go as to his availability on Sunday!!Suppose they will do a fitness test on Sunday morning! Kilkenny would have to have a bad day at the office similar to what Tipp had! They were poor enough in the Leinster final and another team could have  beaten  them that day!! We will see what happnes, Cork are in a wonderfull situation of having nothing to lose and will have a real crack at them! Would be wonderful to see the cats being beaten  but hard to see! I predict a Kilkenny v Tipp final with Tipp to win!!

I don't think he'd appreciate private discussions being put on a public internet forum!!


!!!

Quote from: cicfada on August 04, 2010, 10:11:38 PM
I spoke to Shane O 'Neill today and in his words he is touch and  go as to his availability on Sunday!!Suppose they will do a fitness test on Sunday morning! Kilkenny would have to have a bad day at the office similar to what Tipp had! They were poor enough in the Leinster final and another team could have  beaten  them that day!! We will see what happnes, Cork are in a wonderfull situation of having nothing to lose and will have a real crack at them! Would be wonderful to see the cats being beaten  but hard to see! I predict a Kilkenny v Tipp final with Tipp to win!!

Team will be name tomorrow night. Heard the lot of them will be fit for it, fingers crossed he'll make it, we'll be in all sorts of trouble without him.

Cork v Kilkenny – All Hurling Semi-Final – Preview, Team News & Live Scores – Sunday 8th August 3:30pm

http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/08/03/cork-v-kilkenny-all-hurling-semi-final-preview-team-news-live-scores-sunday-8th-august-330pm/

The team is,

1. Donal Og Cusack
(Cloyne)

2. Shane O'Neill 3. Eoin Cadogan 4. Brian Murphy
(Bishopstown) (Douglas) (Bride Rovers)

5. John Gardiner 6. Ronan Curran 7. Seán Óg Ó hAilpín
(Na Piarsaigh) (St. Finbarrs) (Na Piarsaigh)

8. Tom Kenny 9. Cathal Naughton
(Grenagh) (Newtownshandrum)

10. Michael Cussen 11. Kieran Murphy 12. Niall McCarthy
(Sars) (Sars - Capt) (Carrigtwohill)

13. Pat Horgan 14. Aisake Ó hAilpín 15. Ben O'Connor
(Glen Rovers) (Na Piarsaigh) (Newtownshandrum)



16. Martin Coleman (Ballinhassig)
17. Shane Murphy (Erins Own)
18. Ray Ryan (Sarsfields)
19. William Egan (Kilbrin)
20. Jerry O'Connor (Newtownshandrum)
21. Lorcan McLoughlin (Kanturk)
22. Graham Callanan (Glen Rovers)
23. Paudie O'Sullivan (Cloyne)
24. Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
25. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
26. Eoin Dillon (Milford)
27. Pa Cronin (Bishopstown)
28. Michael Walsh (Kildorrery)
29. Mark O Sullivan (Dripsey)
30. Luke O'Farrell (Midleton)

Very harsh on Paudi, but he'll be one to spring from the bench. Jerry only fit enough to start from the bench, another one you'd love to have to throw in to the game.
Not sure this will be the team that starts, but we'll have to see.

Have to say think Jerry OConnor will be a big blow to Cork. Even if he comes on as a sub don't think he'll be up to it and probably hasn't been himself all year. Still a great team of players however distasteful some of them are as individuals but if they beat the cats it will be the shock of the year. To be honest I'd drop Niall McCarthy and move Naughton into half forward.

Quote from: dowling on August 06, 2010, 12:05:20 AM
Have to say think Jerry OConnor will be a big blow to Cork. Even if he comes on as a sub don't think he'll be up to it and probably hasn't been himself all year. Still a great team of players however distasteful some of them are as individuals but if they beat the cats it will be the shock of the year. To be honest I'd drop Niall McCarthy and move Naughton into half forward.

Jerry has been playing injured all season, to an extent, Niall McCarthy has done well lately, very well. The best place for Naughton is midfield, it's his best position, and he'll run at the KK defence and wont be matched for pace. Would be a real shock if they moved him up the pitch, wouldn't surprise me though.

And that has shown up in Jerry's games. As for Naughton, he's very acurate and will take scores. Why not move him closer and enhance that and allow to the runs you refer to potentially set up goals. However the obvious man to feed off runs would be Jerry but I'm sure the other forwards would be dangerous. To me Naughton is more suited to the team at wing forward and more dangerous. Of course he can score from midfield but there seems to be more options for Cork there. Niall Mcarthy has had good games? Against Antrim? And overcarrying to score a goal! One point in two Waterford matches. Come on Reillers.

Quote from: dowling on August 06, 2010, 01:26:23 AM
And that has shown up in Jerry's games. As for Naughton, he's very acurate and will take scores. Why not move him closer and enhance that and allow to the runs you refer to potentially set up goals. However the obvious man to feed off runs would be Jerry but I'm sure the other forwards would be dangerous. To me Naughton is more suited to the team at wing forward and more dangerous. Of course he can score from midfield but there seems to be more options for Cork there. Niall Mcarthy has had good games? Against Antrim? And overcarrying to score a goal! One point in two Waterford matches. Come on Reillers.

He has totally come into his game though in midfield, and he doesn't always take his chances, really cost us against Waterford, he's improved out of sight, but still has a long way to go, his legs still go 10 times faster than his brain. Last day out he was looking for anyone to pass to so they could shoot, instead of taking his chances, before he was taking too many chances himself, he needs to be sat down and thought. Naughton wont be matched for pace. Hopefully he will be used well for the KK game, whether or not that's in the mid or up front.

Did anyone see the indo today? Talk about making a story out of nothing. The headline was 'Ungracious Donal Óg gets both barrells from Kilkenny'.

The opening paragraph read... 'CORK goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack was hit with a double-barrelled assault from Kilkenny last night ahead of next Sunday's grudge All-Ireland SHC semi-final.'

I was thinking, jaysus, that's not like them taking potshots before the game. So I went looking at quotes from Cody, Shefflin, Hickey, Walsh, anyone.


Nope.

This is what it was.


The actual 'attack' from 'Kilkenny' was

"And as thrown-in at Croke Park approaches, Kilkenny have responded through former GAA president Nickey Brennan and former attacking star Eddie Keher.

Brennan described Cusack's comments about Kilkenny as "ungracious" and "totally unnecessary" while Keher claimed that he would not touch the 'keeper's book "with a forty foot pole."


f**king pathetic is what the independent is.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
Did anyone see the indo today? Talk about making a story out of nothing. The headline was 'Ungracious Donal Óg gets both barrells from Kilkenny'.

The opening paragraph read... 'CORK goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack was hit with a double-barrelled assault from Kilkenny last night ahead of next Sunday's grudge All-Ireland SHC semi-final.'

I was thinking, jaysus, that's not like them taking potshots before the game. So I went looking at quotes from Cody, Shefflin, Hickey, Walsh, anyone.


Nope.

This is what it was.


The actual 'attack' from 'Kilkenny' was

"And as thrown-in at Croke Park approaches, Kilkenny have responded through former GAA president Nickey Brennan and former attacking star Eddie Keher.

Brennan described Cusack's comments about Kilkenny as "ungracious" and "totally unnecessary" while Keher claimed that he would not touch the 'keeper's book "with a forty foot pole."


f**king pathetic is what the independent is.

I know I was expecting all sorts, to be fair though, Cork wont be short on motivation going into the game. Tensions rising though.

Naughton needs room to move though and he'll not get that against KK.

To be honest I think he'll really struggle on sunday.I would see him as a luxury player. Definitely improving and on his day can destroy teams given the space.

whats the Kilkenny team?

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 06, 2010, 11:44:55 AM
Naughton needs room to move though and he'll not get that against KK.

To be honest I think he'll really struggle on sunday.I would see him as a luxury player. Definitely improving and on his day can destroy teams given the space.

Just let him run and we'll see what happens. You say he wont get any room, and he probably wont, but that means he'll either be crowded out..and it'd take a few to stop him..which leaves other players free or he'll be constantly fouled..whether Gavin will blow up for those frees is another question, but that's nothing we can control. But it should lead to frees. We can use Naughton..or there is the chance that he just out runs them and sets up scores or takes them himself. No one has the pace on the Kilkenny team to catch him.
He really has improved, amazing to think he's been around for so long, but he's still very young.

Word out of the KK camp is that Hogan/Kavanagh have broken a finger, some say Hogan, other say Kavanagh, whether that's true or not, or just a distraction for the Cork team I don't know, but word is he broke it in training last night and will miss the game. I wouldn't take it as gospel though, I really doubt it. No word yet on the KK team yet.

To be honest Naughton can do more than run. At midfield though he tends to run more across the pitch whereas around half forward it's more direct and that's when he's more of a threat for contributing to a goal threat on top of taking points.
On the journalists in general. Sure they all try to mix it to create stories, maybe ringing up some in the 'other camp' and and asking for a response to something the 'other crowd' didn't actually say.
Taking the point of the media should the GAA consider setting up it's own TV station? Or an online station? Is it feasible and financially viable?
Maybe that's for another thread though.

Quote from: Reillers on August 06, 2010, 11:30:38 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
Did anyone see the indo today? Talk about making a story out of nothing. The headline was 'Ungracious Donal Óg gets both barrells from Kilkenny'.

The opening paragraph read... 'CORK goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack was hit with a double-barrelled assault from Kilkenny last night ahead of next Sunday's grudge All-Ireland SHC semi-final.'

I was thinking, jaysus, that's not like them taking potshots before the game. So I went looking at quotes from Cody, Shefflin, Hickey, Walsh, anyone.


Nope.

This is what it was.


The actual 'attack' from 'Kilkenny' was

"And as thrown-in at Croke Park approaches, Kilkenny have responded through former GAA president Nickey Brennan and former attacking star Eddie Keher.

Brennan described Cusack's comments about Kilkenny as "ungracious" and "totally unnecessary" while Keher claimed that he would not touch the 'keeper's book "with a forty foot pole."


f**king pathetic is what the independent is.

I know I was expecting all sorts, to be fair though, Cork wont be short on motivation going into the game. Tensions rising though.

Keep an eye on Cadogan.  ;)

Quote from: dowling on August 06, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
To be honest Naughton can do more than run. At midfield though he tends to run more across the pitch whereas around half forward it's more direct and that's when he's more of a threat for contributing to a goal threat on top of taking points.
On the journalists in general. Sure they all try to mix it to create stories, maybe ringing up some in the 'other camp' and and asking for a response to something the 'other crowd' didn't actually say.
Taking the point of the media should the GAA consider setting up it's own TV station? Or an online station? Is it feasible and financially viable?
Maybe that's for another thread though.

Well obviously the lad can do more than run, but my point is that an advantage he holds over well most players I can think of is his speed. He's been tried in both positions and he's best used and plays better in the midfield. That's why he's there now. He's been tried as a forward and been wasted in there.
Journos will always be journos. The Media will always make up stories, that's what they do and as long as there's an interest there they'll continue to do what they do. A GAA station..now that'd be interesting.

Quote from: orangeman on August 06, 2010, 01:24:05 PM

Quote from: Reillers on August 06, 2010, 11:30:38 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
Did anyone see the indo today? Talk about making a story out of nothing. The headline was 'Ungracious Donal Óg gets both barrells from Kilkenny'.

The opening paragraph read... 'CORK goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack was hit with a double-barrelled assault from Kilkenny last night ahead of next Sunday's grudge All-Ireland SHC semi-final.'

I was thinking, jaysus, that's not like them taking potshots before the game. So I went looking at quotes from Cody, Shefflin, Hickey, Walsh, anyone.


Nope.

This is what it was.


The actual 'attack' from 'Kilkenny' was

"And as thrown-in at Croke Park approaches, Kilkenny have responded through former GAA president Nickey Brennan and former attacking star Eddie Keher.

Brennan described Cusack's comments about Kilkenny as "ungracious" and "totally unnecessary" while Keher claimed that he would not touch the 'keeper's book "with a forty foot pole."


f**king pathetic is what the independent is.

I know I was expecting all sorts, to be fair though, Cork wont be short on motivation going into the game. Tensions rising though.

Keep an eye on Cadogan.  ;)

Ya, the poor lads been targeted enough this year.  ;)

Quote from: dowling on August 06, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
To be honest Naughton can do more than run. At midfield though he tends to run more across the pitch whereas around half forward it's more direct and that's when he's more of a threat for contributing to a goal threat on top of taking points.
On the journalists in general. Sure they all try to mix it to create stories, maybe ringing up some in the 'other camp' and and asking for a response to something the 'other crowd' didn't actually say.
Taking the point of the media should the GAA consider setting up it's own TV station? Or an online station? Is it feasible and financially viable?
Maybe that's for another thread though.

It was looked at but the lads wanted a % of all income. That was the end of that.

I suppose you would have to imagine the GPA would present financial difficulties but perhaps there would be a way to overcome that. If not and that was the main obstacle to setting up a station that would be a terrible indictment on where the GAA is at.

Cha in for Rice - Fogarty in for Comerford

Can't wait for tomorrow to go see the Cats in action again.  Maybe some of the football counties who are complaining about lack of match practice when they win their Provincial Final should take a leaf out of Kilkennys book and put out two teams in training and do more ball work instead of pricking around with weights and fancy ideas. I am still going for a Kilkenny win and I think Noel Hickey will be well able to make the area around the square his own again and give a MOM performance which he will need to do against that big awkward looking O'Halpin.  Cat's v Waterford in Final with Waterford to scrape through is what I think !!

I can see a big performance in Cork tomorrow if all the injured players are back approaching 100% but can see nothing other than a Kilkenny win with 4-8 points to spare

See John Gardiner thinks Cork need a low scoring game. Doesn't sound like a vote of confidence in his forwards.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
Did anyone see the indo today? Talk about making a story out of nothing. The headline was 'Ungracious Donal Óg gets both barrells from Kilkenny'.

The opening paragraph read... 'CORK goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack was hit with a double-barrelled assault from Kilkenny last night ahead of next Sunday's grudge All-Ireland SHC semi-final.'

I was thinking, jaysus, that's not like them taking potshots before the game. So I went looking at quotes from Cody, Shefflin, Hickey, Walsh, anyone.


Nope.

This is what it was.


The actual 'attack' from 'Kilkenny' was

"And as thrown-in at Croke Park approaches, Kilkenny have responded through former GAA president Nickey Brennan and former attacking star Eddie Keher.

Brennan described Cusack's comments about Kilkenny as "ungracious" and "totally unnecessary" while Keher claimed that he would not touch the 'keeper's book "with a forty foot pole."


f**king pathetic is what the independent is.

Nicky Brennan wrote that AZ in his column in the Kilkenny local paper. Then it gets sold to the nationals and they blow it up. This is not by chance- they want kilkenny going into this game with a bit of bittnerness. Be under no illusions Kilkenny want to finish off this Cork team once and for all tomorrow. Of that much I'm sure. Whether it happens is another thing.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 10:52:01 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
Did anyone see the indo today? Talk about making a story out of nothing. The headline was 'Ungracious Donal Óg gets both barrells from Kilkenny'.

The opening paragraph read... 'CORK goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack was hit with a double-barrelled assault from Kilkenny last night ahead of next Sunday's grudge All-Ireland SHC semi-final.'

I was thinking, jaysus, that's not like them taking potshots before the game. So I went looking at quotes from Cody, Shefflin, Hickey, Walsh, anyone.


Nope.

This is what it was.


The actual 'attack' from 'Kilkenny' was

"And as thrown-in at Croke Park approaches, Kilkenny have responded through former GAA president Nickey Brennan and former attacking star Eddie Keher.

Brennan described Cusack's comments about Kilkenny as "ungracious" and "totally unnecessary" while Keher claimed that he would not touch the 'keeper's book "with a forty foot pole."


f**king pathetic is what the independent is.

Nicky Brennan wrote that AZ in his column in the Kilkenny local paper. Then it gets sold to the nationals and they blow it up. This is not by chance- they want kilkenny going into this game with a bit of bittnerness. Be under no illusions Kilkenny want to finish off this Cork team once and for all tomorrow. Of that much I'm sure. Whether it happens is another thing.

I thought it funny that Donal Óg would think of it an insult to describe the KK hurlers as 'Stepford wives' - a bunch of dedicated players who put their head down and worry only about winning, not about player liason reps and the influence of their role, how the KK CB fund the preparation of all county teams at all levels, how much of a cut the KK players are getting from XYZ.

I've yet to read a single article from Noel Hickey or 'Cha' over the course of their playing career lecturing us on their preparations or how much of a team they are etc.

I've yet to read a single complaint from KK player about being 'stuck in a bank' when there are 450k people on the dole, while you're earning 250k per annum from your GAA profile.

I hope to see Liam going to pastures new this September (hopefully Waterford) but I have to take my hat off to this KK team who never lost the run of themselves and were an example to all.

Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 07, 2010, 07:39:14 AM
Can't wait for tomorrow to go see the Cats in action again.  Maybe some of the football counties who are complaining about lack of match practice when they win their Provincial Final should take a leaf out of Kilkennys book and put out two teams in training and do more ball work instead of pricking around with weights and fancy ideas. I am still going for a Kilkenny win and I think Noel Hickey will be well able to make the area around the square his own again and give a MOM performance which he will need to do against that big awkward looking O'Halpin.  Cat's v Waterford in Final with Waterford to scrape through is what I think !!

Cody takes his team to Nolan Park when the clocks go forward and has the simple task of throwing in the ball. he has reserves that he calls upon should some of his panel are injured just so that he has 15 on 15!! Cha marking Rice, Brennan being marked by Dalton, Henry being marked by Hickey, and Walsh marking Larkin. some craic i'd imagine.

i must make the trip down some Spring to watch these 'games'

as for all this talk about finishing this Cork team, i don't think Cody gives a flying Fcuk. what Cork do is their business and he is only concerned with beating the next team and winning All Irelands. Kilkenny's reign will eventually end for a period and Cork or Tipp will come strong

whats the Kilkenny team?

Quote from: heffo on August 07, 2010, 11:33:21 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 10:52:01 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
Did anyone see the indo today? Talk about making a story out of nothing. The headline was 'Ungracious Donal Óg gets both barrells from Kilkenny'.

The opening paragraph read... 'CORK goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack was hit with a double-barrelled assault from Kilkenny last night ahead of next Sunday's grudge All-Ireland SHC semi-final.'

I was thinking, jaysus, that's not like them taking potshots before the game. So I went looking at quotes from Cody, Shefflin, Hickey, Walsh, anyone.


Nope.

This is what it was.


The actual 'attack' from 'Kilkenny' was

"And as thrown-in at Croke Park approaches, Kilkenny have responded through former GAA president Nickey Brennan and former attacking star Eddie Keher.

Brennan described Cusack's comments about Kilkenny as "ungracious" and "totally unnecessary" while Keher claimed that he would not touch the 'keeper's book "with a forty foot pole."


f**king pathetic is what the independent is.

Nicky Brennan wrote that AZ in his column in the Kilkenny local paper. Then it gets sold to the nationals and they blow it up. This is not by chance- they want kilkenny going into this game with a bit of bittnerness. Be under no illusions Kilkenny want to finish off this Cork team once and for all tomorrow. Of that much I'm sure. Whether it happens is another thing.

I thought it funny that Donal Óg would think of it an insult to describe the KK hurlers as 'Stepford wives' - a bunch of dedicated players who put their head down and worry only about winning, not about player liason reps and the influence of their role, how the KK CB fund the preparation of all county teams at all levels, how much of a cut the KK players are getting from XYZ.

I've yet to read a single article from Noel Hickey or 'Cha' over the course of their playing career lecturing us on their preparations or how much of a team they are etc.

I've yet to read a single complaint from KK player about being 'stuck in a bank' when there are 450k people on the dole, while you're earning 250k per annum from your GAA profile.

I hope to see Liam going to pastures new this September (hopefully Waterford) but I have to take my hat off to this KK team who never lost the run of themselves and were an example to all.

I struggle to see anything there I'd disagree with.

Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Not crazy about what Brennan said, as an ex president? A bit out of line. Strange that they've both come out speaking up like that, it's not like Kilkenny to be mouthing off. Never mind the fact that neither have read the book, where they can easily take things out of context.

Never have I looked forward to and dread a match so much, at the same time. Part of me feels that it's a done deal, no question, we'll loose, and I'm dreading it. Another part of me feels that somehow we might just dig out a result, and give one fuckin momumental performance. There's no question about it, no matter the odds, these lads will die in their boots in an attempt to stop Kilkenny. They'll thrive on being this written off, and they'll put themselves on the line to stop them, do just about anything..whether that'll be enough, time will tell.

A few rumours about that the Cork line up wont start as is, up front that is. Rumour has it that Cussen wont start, that Cian McCarthy will start instead, a lot or rumours, might be nothing more than typical pre match talk, but we'll have to see.

Quote from: Reillers on August 07, 2010, 06:59:51 PM

Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Not crazy about what Brennan said, as an ex president? A bit out of line. Strange that they've both come out speaking up like that, it's not like Kilkenny to be mouthing off. Never mind the fact that neither have read the book

Nicky Brennan told me personally that he read the book and it was a good insight into Donal Óg after being on the opposite side of the table to him often enough - don't know where you've established neither read it. More Reillersland bullshi*

Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Kilkenny need some bitterness going into tomorrow's game. I'm 100% sure this is all stage managed. Kilkenny can finish off this Cork team tomorrow which means they won't have to worry about them for a while. Kilkenny look better this year then last and are going to unleash hell tomorrow in Croker. That I can guarantee.

Heard they have been knocking seven shades of shite out of each other in Nowlan Park. One particular training game Cody more or less tossed away the whistle and their were 4-5 physios attending to players all at the one time at one stage. They want this 5 in a row bad. Every ounce of work done in the last 4 years will be wiped away tomorrow if Cork beat them. the chance of history will be gone and  they'll never be able to show their faces in kilkenny again if their biggest rivals stop them from creating history.

I know a number of well connected people down there and the general perception of kilkenny taking this lightly is bullshit. They've said kilkenny are preparing for this game if its the biggest game of their careers. Cody has said to them they had to win 4 all-ireland finals to win the all-ireland this year. They've demolished their prior two opponents and they ain't going to take pity on Cork tomorrow if the opportunity presents itself tomorrow to demolish Cork.

Its up to Cork to stop them. Maybe they can but I don't envy their chances of doing so.

Quote from: heffo on August 07, 2010, 07:33:28 PM

Quote from: Reillers on August 07, 2010, 06:59:51 PM

Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Not crazy about what Brennan said, as an ex president? A bit out of line. Strange that they've both come out speaking up like that, it's not like Kilkenny to be mouthing off. Never mind the fact that neither have read the book

Nicky Brennan told me personally that he read the book and it was a good insight into Donal Óg after being on the opposite side of the table to him often enough - don't know where you've established neither read it. More Reillersland bullshi*

Funny, because I'm 90% sure that Keher said that he wouldn't touch the book and hasn't and will never read it. As for Brennan doubt he's read it either, not like he ever made an attempt to hide his true colours. 

You just know everybody don't you.. ::) ::)

i think Kilkenny will win by ten or more today, TJ Reid to have a cracking game and no wild celebrations from the Kilkenny team after the match

Could easily happen that Kilkenny thrash Cork but you just never know after Cork's display against Tipp. While I would like to see a good game part of me also wants to see Cork well beaten so that there's no justification of that horrible strike. Up to now it is clear the strike has done nothing to improve this team.

A Jesus all that pressure is turning out to be to much for Cork.

ref not doing too bad for cork thus far...

KK need to strt taking points - going for too many goals.

Oh and Cadogan is a tr**p.

 :o

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2010, 03:51:49 PM
ref not doing too bad for cork thus far...

KK need to strt taking points - going for too many goals.

Oh and Cadogan is a tr**p.

:D

If Cork don't get scores quickly this game will be over at half time

Quote from: hardstation on August 08, 2010, 03:56:28 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 08, 2010, 03:55:03 PM

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2010, 03:51:49 PM
ref not doing too bad for cork thus far...

KK need to strt taking points - going for too many goals.

Oh and Cadogan is a tr**p.

:D

He's right though. They fcuked up 3 easy point chances by going for goal.

If I'm not mistaken 3 points = 1 goal.

its over, 13 points in it, not half time; disappointing to see such a one-sided game at this stage of the championship

Quote from: ross4life on August 08, 2010, 04:01:49 PM
If Cork don't get scores quickly this game will be over at half time

31.33

Kilkenny 2.10
Cork 0.03

It think we can say its over already.

Game over, this kilkenny team have lost two of their best players and bring on outstanding hurlers to replace them.  Cork look like Antrim now

don't think Cork will come out at half time!!!

GAME OVER....This Kilkenny team is one of the greatest ever to play the game of Hurling we should all stand back & admire

Quote from: hardstation on August 08, 2010, 04:12:50 PM

Quote from: ross4life on August 08, 2010, 04:11:49 PM
GAME OVER....This Kilkenny team is one of the greatest ever to play the game of Hurling we should all stand back & admire

I think that was the Cork team talk.

:D

Hard to see a way back for Cork now

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 08, 2010, 04:02:49 PM
If I'm not mistaken 3 points = 1 goal.

Top marks... Irrelevant now but at that time they were going for hard / impossible goal chances rather than easy points and building up a lead.

KK are awesome. Fennelly in midfield is a great player - running the show. Defense barely let Cork get the ball in hand before dispossessing them.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 08, 2010, 04:04:28 PM

Quote from: ross4life on August 08, 2010, 04:01:49 PM
If Cork don't get scores quickly this game will be over at half time

31.33

Kilkenny 2.10
Cork 0.03

It think we can say its over already.

It looks like a Mayo match in Croker  ;)
Couold cody take over the banks and sort them out?

Quote from: seafoid on August 08, 2010, 04:17:58 PM

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 08, 2010, 04:04:28 PM

Quote from: ross4life on August 08, 2010, 04:01:49 PM
If Cork don't get scores quickly this game will be over at half time

31.33

Kilkenny 2.10
Cork 0.03

It think we can say its over already.

It looks like a Mayo match in Croker  ;)
Couold cody take over the banks and sort them out?

Even Mayo Finals in Croker don't get this bad, at least Mayo fights back for 10-20 minutes.

So the Cork Hurling/Football fans picked todays game (45 euro guaranteed defeat) over last weekend (35 euro certain win)

Have Waterford or Tipperary got a hope in hell against Kilkenny?

No

the O'Connor's are good though. they have that calmness and never look rushed in getting the ball

did that p***k just say michael cussen the 6'7" dinasaur !!

:o

Well done Mr Power . That loud mouthed clown was a quiet man at the end

Quote from: johnpower on August 08, 2010, 05:19:01 PM
Well done Mr Power . That loud mouthed clown was a quiet man at the end

Your namesake was some player in the minor game. Richie's younger brother too.

Quote from: spuds on August 08, 2010, 05:01:24 PM
did that p***k just say michael cussen the 6'7" dinasaur !!

:o

Yes he did.

But what an incredible performance in the first half to snuff the game by Kilkenny. Kind of like the 08final all over again. I cannot for the life of me see Tipp/Waterford beat them now. :-\

Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2010, 05:45:56 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 08, 2010, 05:01:24 PM
did that p***k just say michael cussen the 6'7" dinasaur !!

:o

Yes he did.

But what an incredible performance in the first half to snuff the game by Kilkenny. Kind of like the 08final all over again. I cannot for the life of me see Tipp/Waterford beat them now. :-\

he either lost the run of himself or dished out the greatest insult of all time by a commentator
the man ruins games he commentates on imo

complete performance by cats in first half
obvious from start that only one outcome
cork couldn t create an attack for 1st 10 mins

Ger "Why didnt Cork play like this in first half

Michael Duignan; The were not let Ger!!

Canning showed today that he knows absolutely nothing about hurling,cannot read a game and is a jike. His Dinosaur comment was incredible- expcet an apology.

Cork a big dissapointment today, totally out classed.  Terrible semi competition altogether. 

Can't understand why Kilkenny are still so far ahead of the pack after 5 years of opportunity for others to catch up?

Any word on Henry ?

Looks bad - hope it's not another cruciate.


Gardiner hit Hogan some slap - collar bone gone again ?

Both Kilkenny teams were awesome at times today. I could still see Tipperary, if they get through, giving Kilkenny a tough game especially if Shefflin and Hogan aren't fit. For all of kilkenny's strength on the bench the 5 substitutions clearly weakened them quite a bit. The contest was over well before half time but there was a lot that was mediocre about Kilkenny's second half performance and Brian Cody didn't look too impressed when Marty was saying it was one of the great performances of all time. They were brilliant when they needed to be early in the game but so much of that stemmed from Henry. He is always the guy who steps up when things are tight. His run and pass for the goal were clinical.If he is missing for the final it would be a massive blow. I hope he can play - would be a shame for him to miss it. If he is fully fit I can't see them being stopped.

The Kilkenny minors were frighteningly good. I thought this was a very good Galway team which would defend the All - Ireland title but we were nowhere near Kilkenny.

Also I agree that Richie Power was brilliant in putting manners on Cadogan with his hurling. He didn't react at the start when Cadogan was roaring abuse in his face - just got on with totally out-hurling him. Brilliant thinking for Fogarty's goal - he sprinted about 30 yards and didn't try to play the ball, just flashed his hurl across Cusack's view and made him miss the catch.

Just back now. Warned yiz yesterday when I said the cats were going to finish of this Cork team once and for all. They were like men possessed today. That was personal today. They are simply an incredible team.

Minors were frightening. Awlyward, Walsh, Kelly, Buckley - get used the names theses are the replacements. Kilkenny aren't going anywhere.

Cork are in BIG trouble by their standards. Nothing at underage comng through either.

Don't know where hurling will be in a few years. Not kilkenny's fault but there are few fiedl sports in the world where one side is so much better then the rest.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 08, 2010, 08:04:46 PM
Warned yiz yesterday when I said the cats were going to finish of this Cork team once and for all. They were like men possessed today. That was personal today. They are simply an incredible team.

mystic meg is in the building

Quote from: INDIANA on August 08, 2010, 08:04:46 PM
Just back now. Warned yiz yesterday when I said the cats were going to finish of this Cork team once and for all. They were like men possessed today. That was personal today. They are simply an incredible team.

Minors were frightening. Awlyward, Walsh, Kelly, Buckley - get used the names theses are the replacements. Kilkenny aren't going anywhere.

Cork are in BIG trouble by their standards. Nothing at underage comng through either.

Don't know where hurling will be in a few years. Not kilkenny's fault but there are few fiedl sports in the world where one side is so much better then the rest.

KK seeme to have a very deliberate policy of going for goals right from the throw in. Easy points were on offer but they seemed to want to pepper Cusack in the goal. Cusack as good as he is had no answer to that onslaught.

Sometimes you just gotta put your hands up and say it when you see a class team, and they were, are, a top class team. Tipp (I presume) will give them a right run in the final. Cork were wasteful to say the least in the first half but weren't let play, were much better in the second half but still, out played, out classed.

Not sure what Walsh was thinking, Cian McCarthy on JJ, wasn't given a go all year and put in against Kilkenny, too much of an ask. He has all year to mould his team, Cork play 5 championship matches and still he has to start at debutant, for the semi final. Aisake got an awful raw deal, got no service and gets taken off.
Pa Horgan to be fair played his socks off and gave Tyrell a hard fuckin run, fair play to the lad, he's had zero confidence for a while and really turned up in the second half. Niall McCarthy worked his socks off as as well.

Some players though, are done I'd say. They've done us proud and given us great days in the sun in Thurles and Croker. But I think it's time for a few boots to be hung up. In a way, they're almost holding back some of our development these days.
Egan, Cronin, Cian McCarthy..some of the U21s, there is a few there to come through, but we really need them to get game time. But it is a dilema, play our argueably better players, or play the young lads and give them a go.

Who knows. It'll be a long year or so ahead though.

Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 09:01:42 PM
Sometimes you just gotta put your hands up and say it when you see a class team, and they were, are, a top class team. Tipp (I presume) will give them a right run in the final. Cork were wasteful to say the least in the first half but weren't let play, were much better in the second half but still, out played, out classed.

Not sure what Walsh was thinking, Cian McCarthy on JJ, wasn't given a go all year and put in against Kilkenny, too much of an ask. He has all year to mould his team, Cork play 5 championship matches and still he has to start at debutant, for the semi final. Aisake got an awful raw deal, got no service and gets taken off.
Pa Horgan to be fair played his socks off and gave Tyrell a hard fuckin run, fair play to the lad, he's had zero confidence for a while and really turned up in the second half. Niall McCarthy worked his socks off as as well.

Some players though, are done I'd say. They've done us proud and given us great days in the sun in Thurles and Croker. But I think it's time for a few boots to be hung up. In a way, they're almost holding back some of our development these days.
Egan, Cronin, Cian McCarthy..some of the U21s, there is a few there to come through, but we really need them to get game time. But it is a dilema, play our argueably better players, or play the young lads and give them a go.

Who knows. It'll be a long year or so ahead though.

that s as honest and as straight a summary by a langer as is possible fair play
cork are in big trouble not giving more game time to younger bucks is going to backfire bigtime in next few years
kilkenny have constantly refreshed year on year without the wholesale changes that cork will have to undergo

Quote from: INDIANA on August 08, 2010, 08:04:46 PM

Don't know where hurling will be in a few years. Not kilkenny's fault but there are few fiedl sports in the world where one side is so much better then the rest.

I was thinking this too watching both games today. It's the reason I was shouting for Cork. Still these things usually do come to a sudden end when it's not expected. I think Tipp with their superb U-21s coming through look the best prospect to stop them now and for the next couple of years. I dunno if I could bring myself to cheer for Tipp though.

Hard luck Reillers. At least they battled to the end. I thought that too about Aisake. I wouldn't have him on the team but if he is there you have to land a few balls in the square.

That's a pretty fair assessment Reillers.

Niall Mac was like a raging bull there. He's a tough nut. Lucky enough when getting involved there all the same.

sunday game have repeated ger cannings  michael cussen the 6'7" dinasaur comment

Quote from: spuds on August 08, 2010, 10:25:07 PM
sunday game have repeated ger cannings  michael cussen the 6'7" dinasaur comment

Meant to say monster I'd say   - slip of the tongue - no harm done.

why the hatred for yer man cadogan?? Not a hard core follower, genuine question;

A total joy to behold today were the Cats. No matter how many nice scores that Cork fired over in the 2nd half, it was the lesson in skill and class in the opening '35 that told. The GAA should bring in Kilkenny Reserves to the Championship spice up things. They are really akin to the Harlem Globetrotters at present and all the rest cannot but stand back and admire. Some of those catches today were out of this world. When you consider the whole Leinster Championship now, it really is an irrelevancy - as is Munster (Ulster? don't ask!). This Kilkenny team - and look at the minor match also - can do ten in a row if they wish. Also, Cody said to Marty Morrisey that he was unaware of 'any talk' of the 5 in a row in Kilkenny this year. And why not? There is absolutely no pressure on them as they are literally miles ahead of Tipp or Waterford. In fact, if Waterford beat Tipp next week, I would not rule out a serious hammering again for the Deise! Today's defeat for Cork also puts the Dubs and Antrim in perspective also. It is a bit scary..

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 08, 2010, 10:43:41 PM
why the hatred for yer man cadogan?? Not a hard core follower, genuine question;

God only knows, Cadogan's the poor lad that's been on the end of players targeting him all season, Paul Galvin leading the show. Terrible stuff.   ;)

Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on August 08, 2010, 10:54:02 PM
A total joy to behold today were the Cats. No matter how many nice scores that Cork fired over in the 2nd half, it was the lesson in skill and class in the opening '35 that told. The GAA should bring in Kilkenny Reserves to the Championship spice up things. They are really akin to the Harlem Globetrotters at present and all the rest cannot but stand back and admire. Some of those catches today were out of this world. When you consider the whole Leinster Championship now, it really is an irrelevancy - as is Munster (Ulster? don't ask!). This Kilkenny team - and look at the minor match also - can do ten in a row if they wish. Also, Cody said to Marty Morrisey that he was unaware of 'any talk' of the 5 in a row in Kilkenny this year. And why not? There is absolutely no pressure on them as they are literally miles ahead of Tipp or Waterford. In fact, if Waterford beat Tipp next week, I would not rule out a serious hammering again for the Deise! Today's defeat for Cork also puts the Dubs and Antrim in perspective also. It is a bit scary..

But for a brilliant Cork team in the beginning of the decade,  this would have been a possibility alright.

Tipp are the only team that are equipped to unseat Kilkenny. As great a performance that was from Kilkenny minors they may only get two or three players from it.

It seems according to all the pundits that Waterford haven't a chance next weekend ??

Why are most people ignoring them ?

Because they aren't good enough to beat Tipp.

Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
Because they aren't good enough to beat Tipp.

Cork hockeyed Tipp. Waterford bate Cork in the Munster final and they've no chance ?

I don't accept that they've no chance and are not good enough to beat Tipp.

Incredible performance, pity they didn't power on and outdo last year's Nowlan Park scoreline. Cha has barely played championship hurling in two years and looked as if he'd never been away, Ryall was gone even longer. For Kilkenny's third choice centre-back to completely out-hustle the Cork captain was remarkable. Cody's confidence in his players in unreal. Ryall would never have inspired much and Cody clearly didn't even contemplate putting him in the corner and moving Tyrrell to CHB.

Best game yet I've seen Fennelly play. For a man who couldn't get a game last year, he's surely one of the front runners for HOTY. Great displays from Walsh, Delaney and Larkin as well.

Disappointed with TJ, he's not a man you'd be looking to to win you a close game just yet. Richie Power, on the other hand, is. KK need someone to step up if Shefflin is missing for the final and Power finally looks ready to be that man.

Cork were woeful. Half back and half forward lines got destroyed, Power made Cadogan look a fool and Fennelly and Cha wiped the floor with Naughton and Kenny. Horgan looked great in the last twenty mins when the match had been over for half an hour. Nice scores though. Jerry O'Connor should have been on a lot sooner, not that it would have made much of a difference. Worrying times for the Rebels as they don't seem to have too much coming through at underage.

Minor match was ridiculously one-sided as well. Considering the minor teams Galway have had over the last decade, today's team was awful. The younger Power and Walsh brothers on the KK team look like real prospects.

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 08, 2010, 10:43:41 PM
why the hatred for yer man cadogan?? Not a hard core follower, genuine question;

Did you watch the first possession Richie Power had in the game and got blown for too long. Cadogan roaring full tilt into his face - god knows what he was shouting. Always at the off the ball stuff too and gets away with it.

Cadogan definitely has a mouth on him, which was quite firmly shut on him today.

Will be a while before Donal Óg mentions anything about Stepford Wives again I reckon.

Think the problem with Hogan was his fingers - Freshford lads in Meahers were saying before the match he was a doubt and that Ryall might be starting. At one point in the ten minutes where he was outstanding he caught a ball whilst retreating and after handing it off was clearly in pain and trying to shake it off.

Quote from: gallsman on August 08, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
Cadogan definitely has a mouth on him, which was quite firmly shut on him today.Will be a while before Donal Óg mentions anything about Stepford Wives again I reckon.

Think the problem with Hogan was his fingers - Freshford lads in Meahers were saying before the match he was a doubt and that Ryall might be starting. At one point in the ten minutes where he was outstanding he caught a ball whilst retreating and after handing it off was clearly in pain and trying to shake it off.

Watch the tape again and in the 70th minute, he was still hitting a KK lad with the hurl.


I watched Power in Csement last winter and he gave an exhibition that day. Class hurler.

Ryall was licking his lips as he came running on to the park today.


Any word of Hogan and Shefflin ???

Quote from: orangeman on August 08, 2010, 11:30:13 PM

Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
Because they aren't good enough to beat Tipp.

Cork hockeyed Tipp. Waterford bate Cork in the Munster final and they've no chance ?

I don't accept that they've no chance and are not good enough to beat Tipp.

But Cork were shocking against Waterford. They might do it, big game palyers, a lot of experience, but I can't see them beating Tipp.

Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 11:51:12 PM

Quote from: orangeman on August 08, 2010, 11:30:13 PM

Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
Because they aren't good enough to beat Tipp.

Cork hockeyed Tipp. Waterford bate Cork in the Munster final and they've no chance ?

I don't accept that they've no chance and are not good enough to beat Tipp.

But Cork were shocking against Waterford. They might do it, big game palyers, a lot of experience, but I can't see them beating Tipp.

I'm inclined to agree that Tipp will bate them but most people are writing Waterford off altogether. Wee Davy will love it.

Quote from: gallsman on August 08, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
Cadogan definitely has a mouth on him, which was quite firmly shut on him today.

Will be a while before Donal Óg mentions anything about Stepford Wives again I reckon.

Think the problem with Hogan was his fingers - Freshford lads in Meahers were saying before the match he was a doubt and that Ryall might be starting. At one point in the ten minutes where he was outstanding he caught a ball whilst retreating and after handing it off was clearly in pain and trying to shake it off.

Did you read the book, or what the Stepford Wives, comment actualy was in reference to? Not a quote from a paper, but the actually book?
Hogan had, if I'm right, a chiped bone in his hand, played with it, no doubt probably got an injection before he went out, but he was a doubt to play. Hard to shake off something like that though.

Quote from: orangeman on August 08, 2010, 11:53:26 PM

Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 11:51:12 PM

Quote from: orangeman on August 08, 2010, 11:30:13 PM

Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
Because they aren't good enough to beat Tipp.

Cork hockeyed Tipp. Waterford bate Cork in the Munster final and they've no chance ?

I don't accept that they've no chance and are not good enough to beat Tipp.

But Cork were shocking against Waterford. They might do it, big game palyers, a lot of experience, but I can't see them beating Tipp.

I'm inclined to agree that Tipp will bate them but most people are writing Waterford off altogether. Wee Davy will love it.

True, Waterford love to be written off. Long grass and all. Davy will be falling over himself with excitement. Tipp on paper have a better chance, but when has that ever really counted for anything. I think it'll be a close one. Should be a great match, great atmosphere, always is when two Munster teams meet on big days.

Quote from: spuds on August 08, 2010, 09:15:32 PM

Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 09:01:42 PM
Sometimes you just gotta put your hands up and say it when you see a class team, and they were, are, a top class team. Tipp (I presume) will give them a right run in the final. Cork were wasteful to say the least in the first half but weren't let play, were much better in the second half but still, out played, out classed.

Not sure what Walsh was thinking, Cian McCarthy on JJ, wasn't given a go all year and put in against Kilkenny, too much of an ask. He has all year to mould his team, Cork play 5 championship matches and still he has to start at debutant, for the semi final. Aisake got an awful raw deal, got no service and gets taken off.
Pa Horgan to be fair played his socks off and gave Tyrell a hard fuckin run, fair play to the lad, he's had zero confidence for a while and really turned up in the second half. Niall McCarthy worked his socks off as as well.

Some players though, are done I'd say. They've done us proud and given us great days in the sun in Thurles and Croker. But I think it's time for a few boots to be hung up. In a way, they're almost holding back some of our development these days.
Egan, Cronin, Cian McCarthy..some of the U21s, there is a few there to come through, but we really need them to get game time. But it is a dilema, play our argueably better players, or play the young lads and give them a go.

Who knows. It'll be a long year or so ahead though.

that s as honest and as straight a summary by a langer as is possible fair play
cork are in big trouble not giving more game time to younger bucks is going to backfire bigtime in next few years
kilkenny have constantly refreshed year on year without the wholesale changes that cork will have to undergo

It's only honest in as far as it goes but misses a big part of the picture.
A group of Cork players said that Cork hurling was being held back and went on strike. From what I can see all those players achieved was to put Cork hurling back and while I don't expect Donal og or the other strike leaders to admit that the pro strike posters on here now should. And I would suspect that certain players trying to dictate the gameplan is still going on. Gardiner indirectly expressed a lack of confidence in his forwards and what happens in the game first half? No decent ball goes into full forwards. If Walsh is playing Aisake you'd imagine he wants the ball hit into him. If it's not going in you have to wonder if some players have a different plan.
It seems to me that the confrontation these players have shown and their insistence to do things their way has held back the development of Cork Hurling. If I was one of those people who protested for them in Cork or a member of one of the clubs who backed them no end I'd be feeling a bit hard done by now. Let's just hope that for the sake of hurling in general and Cork in particular Donal og and co will no longer wield any influence.

Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 11:53:47 PM

Quote from: gallsman on August 08, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
Cadogan definitely has a mouth on him, which was quite firmly shut on him today.

Will be a while before Donal Óg mentions anything about Stepford Wives again I reckon.

Think the problem with Hogan was his fingers - Freshford lads in Meahers were saying before the match he was a doubt and that Ryall might be starting. At one point in the ten minutes where he was outstanding he caught a ball whilst retreating and after handing it off was clearly in pain and trying to shake it off.

Did you read the book, or what the Stepford Wives, comment actualy was in reference to? Not a quote from a paper, but the actually book?
Hogan had, if I'm right, a chiped bone in his hand, played with it, no doubt probably got an injection before he went out, but he was a doubt to play. Hard to shake off something like that though.

Like Eddie Keher, I wouldn't touch Donal Óg's book with a 40-foot pole.

Quote from: gallsman on August 08, 2010, 11:58:28 PM

Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 11:53:47 PM

Quote from: gallsman on August 08, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
Cadogan definitely has a mouth on him, which was quite firmly shut on him today.

Will be a while before Donal Óg mentions anything about Stepford Wives again I reckon.

Think the problem with Hogan was his fingers - Freshford lads in Meahers were saying before the match he was a doubt and that Ryall might be starting. At one point in the ten minutes where he was outstanding he caught a ball whilst retreating and after handing it off was clearly in pain and trying to shake it off.

Did you read the book, or what the Stepford Wives, comment actualy was in reference to? Not a quote from a paper, but the actually book?
Hogan had, if I'm right, a chiped bone in his hand, played with it, no doubt probably got an injection before he went out, but he was a doubt to play. Hard to shake off something like that though.

Like Eddie Keher, I wouldn't touch Donal Óg's book with a 40-foot pole.

So you go on and on about a quote taken out of context and use it like most journos, any way you want. Before you criticise what he says, how about you take a read of it. Same old same old from some people.

Can you give us the direct quote Reillers then we can move that one on.

Quote from: gallsman on August 08, 2010, 11:33:30 PM
Minor match was ridiculously one-sided as well. Considering the minor teams Galway have had over the last decade, today's team was awful. The younger Power and Walsh brothers on the KK team look like real prospects.

They are not as good as the last few Galway minor teams but by no means are they a bad side. They beat a decent Waterford team handily enough in the quarter-final and would probably have a decent shot of beating either Clare or Dublin in the other semi. Granted they didn't do justice to themselves today. Galway goalkeeper in particular had a nightmare. Kilkenny just have a very impressive minor team this year.

Senior match was one-way traffic unfortunately. Kilkenny eased up in the 2nd half. If they wanted to I think they could have won the game by 20+ points.

Quote from: dowling on August 08, 2010, 11:57:36 PM

Quote from: spuds on August 08, 2010, 09:15:32 PM

Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 09:01:42 PM
Sometimes you just gotta put your hands up and say it when you see a class team, and they were, are, a top class team. Tipp (I presume) will give them a right run in the final. Cork were wasteful to say the least in the first half but weren't let play, were much better in the second half but still, out played, out classed.

Not sure what Walsh was thinking, Cian McCarthy on JJ, wasn't given a go all year and put in against Kilkenny, too much of an ask. He has all year to mould his team, Cork play 5 championship matches and still he has to start at debutant, for the semi final. Aisake got an awful raw deal, got no service and gets taken off.
Pa Horgan to be fair played his socks off and gave Tyrell a hard fuckin run, fair play to the lad, he's had zero confidence for a while and really turned up in the second half. Niall McCarthy worked his socks off as as well.

Some players though, are done I'd say. They've done us proud and given us great days in the sun in Thurles and Croker. But I think it's time for a few boots to be hung up. In a way, they're almost holding back some of our development these days.
Egan, Cronin, Cian McCarthy..some of the U21s, there is a few there to come through, but we really need them to get game time. But it is a dilema, play our argueably better players, or play the young lads and give them a go.

Who knows. It'll be a long year or so ahead though.

that s as honest and as straight a summary by a langer as is possible fair play
cork are in big trouble not giving more game time to younger bucks is going to backfire bigtime in next few years
kilkenny have constantly refreshed year on year without the wholesale changes that cork will have to undergo

It's only honest in as far as it goes but misses a big part of the picture.
A group of Cork players said that Cork hurling was being held back and went on strike. From what I can see all those players achieved was to put Cork hurling back and while I don't expect Donal og or the other strike leaders to admit that the pro strike posters on here now should. And I would suspect that certain players trying to dictate the gameplan is still going on. Gardiner indirectly expressed a lack of confidence in his forwards and what happens in the game first half? No decent ball goes into full forwards. If Walsh is playing Aisake you'd imagine he wants the ball hit into him. If it's not going in you have to wonder if some players have a different plan.
It seems to me that the confrontation these players have shown and their insistence to do things their way has held back the development of Cork Hurling. If I was one of those people who protested for them in Cork or a member of one of the clubs who backed them no end I'd be feeling a bit hard done by now. Let's just hope that for the sake of hurling in general and Cork in particular Donal og and co will no longer wield any influence.

Good God, how about you go get yourself a life, or a hobby. Kilkenny put in a fuckin display like that, and are on the verge of winning what is an incredible 5 in a row, something that hasn't been done, and all you want to cry about is the strike that happened 2 years ago.

How about you go and choose whatever county you feel like supporting for the day and head off home. 2 years later and you still don't get it, and you're still moaning and crying about Cork.
It's Kilkenny's day today, any hurling man worth his salt could see that, and would leave whatever tears they'd left to cry about something that happened 2 years ago, to another day, but you have to find something to moan about.
Head off home and try give a little bit of respect to Kilkenny on your way out. Kilkenny do that, and all you want to talk about is the strike.
Go find yourself a soccer site to hang out on.

Quote from: Reillers on August 09, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
So you go on and on about a quote taken out of context and use it like most journos, any way you want. Before you criticise what he says, how about you take a read of it. Same old same old from some people.

I believe that's the first time I ever mentioned it on the board, so it's hardly going on and on now, is it? The comment was clearly thrown at the KK players and board over the fact that they enjoy hurling for the sake of it and trying their utmost to win. Donal Óg's involvement with the GPA and the strikes has deluded him into believing he's some sort of revolutionary figure within the GAA. The KK's players refusal to get involved in any of his squabbles was entirely the correct thing to do.

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Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
Because they aren't good enough to beat Tipp.

Cork hockeyed Tipp. Waterford bate Cork in the Munster final and they've no chance ?

I don't accept that they've no chance and are not good enough to beat Tipp.

That was just a bad performance by Tipp, you thought Cork would beat Waterford by a few points so you obviously over-rated Cork on the basis of that Tipp performance. Tipp are stronger than Waterford and should beat them though Waterford's defensive tactics might and good backline keep it fairly tight. There is no doubt inmy mind that tipp will win this as the Waterford forward line is weak enough.

Quoterom what I can see all those players achieved was to put Cork hurling back and while I don't expect Donal og or the other strike leaders to admit that the pro strike posters on here now should.

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Good man dowling, you didn't disappoint.

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Quote from: Reillers on August 09, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
So you go on and on about a quote taken out of context and use it like most journos, any way you want. Before you criticise what he says, how about you take a read of it. Same old same old from some people.

I believe that's the first time I ever mentioned it on the board, so it's hardly going on and on now, is it? The comment was clearly thrown at the KK players and board over the fact that they enjoy hurling for the sake of it and trying their utmost to win. Donal Óg's involvement with the GPA and the strikes has deluded him into believing he's some sort of revolutionary figure within the GAA. The KK's players refusal to get involved in any of his squabbles was entirely the correct thing to do.

Not you, just people like you and lazy journos, you presume wrong, shock horror.

That's a laugh Reillers, a Pro Strike Cork man/woman telling someone to give respect to Kilkenny hurling. Think most of us were already there long ago.

You can remain with a closed mind if you want but now a couple of years later, and after the claims made by the strikers that Cork hurling would be improved if people supported them, Cork hurling is in a worse position and I would contend that's it's because of the strike.
I think most people, and definitely myself, would like to see Cork competing with this excellent Kilkenny team but not on the basis that Donal og and his gang are the dictators and having an adverse affect on other counties through their gpa goings on.

QuoteYou can remain with a closed mind if you want but now a couple of years later, and after the claims made by the strikers that Cork hurling would be improved if people supported them

That's a lie so I don't know why i respond to you anymore.

Cork strikers said they wanted the support of the public and clubs in the county. That Ger was holding them back.
Very strong to say it's a lie Zulu. Maybe misphrased but the message was the same. Although maybe not misphrased.

Wasn't that long ago on the Limerick thread you were using the Tipp match as an indication of improvement. I doubt you would stand by that now.

What about that quote everyone is taking out of context Reillers?
Any chance?

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Quote from: spuds on August 08, 2010, 10:25:07 PM
sunday game have repeated ger cannings  michael cussen the 6'7" dinasaur comment

Meant to say monster I'd say   - slip of the tongue - no harm done.

ah ye calling him a monster would have been better
:D

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Quote from: Reillers on August 08, 2010, 09:01:42 PM
Sometimes you just gotta put your hands up and say it when you see a class team, and they were, are, a top class team. Tipp (I presume) will give them a right run in the final. Cork were wasteful to say the least in the first half but weren't let play, were much better in the second half but still, out played, out classed.

Not sure what Walsh was thinking, Cian McCarthy on JJ, wasn't given a go all year and put in against Kilkenny, too much of an ask. He has all year to mould his team, Cork play 5 championship matches and still he has to start at debutant, for the semi final. Aisake got an awful raw deal, got no service and gets taken off.
Pa Horgan to be fair played his socks off and gave Tyrell a hard fuckin run, fair play to the lad, he's had zero confidence for a while and really turned up in the second half. Niall McCarthy worked his socks off as as well.

Some players though, are done I'd say. They've done us proud and given us great days in the sun in Thurles and Croker. But I think it's time for a few boots to be hung up. In a way, they're almost holding back some of our development these days.
Egan, Cronin, Cian McCarthy..some of the U21s, there is a few there to come through, but we really need them to get game time. But it is a dilema, play our argueably better players, or play the young lads and give them a go.

Who knows. It'll be a long year or so ahead though.

that s as honest and as straight a summary by a langer as is possible fair play
cork are in big trouble not giving more game time to younger bucks is going to backfire bigtime in next few years
kilkenny have constantly refreshed year on year without the wholesale changes that cork will have to undergo

It's only honest in as far as it goes but misses a big part of the picture.
A group of Cork players said that Cork hurling was being held back and went on strike. From what I can see all those players achieved was to put Cork hurling back and while I don't expect Donal og or the other strike leaders to admit that the pro strike posters on here now should. And I would suspect that certain players trying to dictate the gameplan is still going on. Gardiner indirectly expressed a lack of confidence in his forwards and what happens in the game first half? No decent ball goes into full forwards. If Walsh is playing Aisake you'd imagine he wants the ball hit into him. If it's not going in you have to wonder if some players have a different plan.
It seems to me that the confrontation these players have shown and their insistence to do things their way has held back the development of Cork Hurling. If I was one of those people who protested for them in Cork or a member of one of the clubs who backed them no end I'd be feeling a bit hard done by now. Let's just hope that for the sake of hurling in general and Cork in particular Donal og and co will no longer wield any influence.

think your a biteen obsessed here horse
my comment was straight in relation to reillers summary of todays match

Wasn't meant as a criticism of your post spuds.
Obsessed? Sure aren't we all?

Super display by los gatos. I missed it 'live' because I was driving down from home to Newport, and had to divert through Kinnitty because of the Tullamore Show. Couldn't help thinking as I drove through Kinnitty what men like Brendan Keesham, Pat Deleaney and co make of this Kilkenny team. Kinnitty has produced some great hurlers over the years, but these lads are artists. As I was driving down and Michéal's dulcet tones were carrying me down the road, and point after point were going over the Cork crossbar in the first half, I just reflected how lucky we are to live in these times and to see this team.

Cork kept going, as they surely always will, but in fairness I think Kilkenny, once they stretched it to 17, decided to just keep ticking over.

I still think this great team can be beaten, but it is going to take something else now. It's going to take a team where you have 15 lads willing, able and skilled enough to look Tommy Walsh, Noel Hickey, Cha Fitzpatrick, Henry Shefflin, Ritchie Power, JJ Delaney and the rest square in the eye and say 'I'm going to beat you today. I'm going to win this battle'.

Kilkenny, in bringing the game to a place it has never been before, have also reduced it to it's bare bones, it's basest element. They have all the skills, but their modus operadum is quite simple really. Win the ball, over, and over again. And when you win it, use it to maximum effect.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 09, 2010, 09:32:52 AM
Super display by los gatos. I missed it 'live' because I was driving down from home to Newport, and had to divert through Kinnitty because of the Tullamore Show. Couldn't help thinking as I drove through Kinnitty what men like Brendan Keesham, Pat Deleaney and co make of this Kilkenny team. Kinnitty has produced some great hurlers over the years, but these lads are artists. As I was driving down and Michéal's dulcet tones were carrying me down the road, and point after point were going over the Cork crossbar in the first half, I just reflected how lucky we are to live in these times and to see this team.

Cork kept going, as they surely always will, but in fairness I think Kilkenny, once they stretched it to 17, decided to just keep ticking over.

I still think this great team can be beaten, but it is going to take something else now. It's going to take a team where you have 15 lads willing, able and skilled enough to look Tommy Walsh, Noel Hickey, Cha Fitzpatrick, Henry Shefflin, Ritchie Power, JJ Delaney and the rest square in the eye and say 'I'm going to beat you today. I'm going to win this battle'.

Kilkenny, in bringing the game to a place it has never been before, have also reduced it to it's bare bones, it's basest element. They have all the skills, but their modus operadum is quite simple really. Win the ball, over, and over again. And when you win it, use it to maximum effect.

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Their minors played the game the exact same way. Pundits were talking up this Galway minor team. And look what happened.

They're relentless. 

But they simply can't go on forever. They'll get bate someday.

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Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Not crazy about what Brennan said, as an ex president? A bit out of line. Strange that they've both come out speaking up like that, it's not like Kilkenny to be mouthing off. Never mind the fact that neither have read the book

Nicky Brennan told me personally that he read the book and it was a good insight into Donal Óg after being on the opposite side of the table to him often enough - don't know where you've established neither read it. More Reillersland bullshi*

Funny, because I'm 90% sure that Keher said that he wouldn't touch the book and hasn't and will never read it. As for Brennan doubt he's read it either, not like he ever made an attempt to hide his true colours. 

You just know everybody don't you.. ::) ::)

I can't comment on Keher, but I've just told you that Brennan has read the book - he was able to cite different parts of it to me.

I'm going to respond to your attempts to bait me with you're 'You know everyone' comment, but unlike you who sits alone in a darkened room with naught but a picture of Donal Óg to keep you company, I'm involved in the GAA and from time to time meet people like your Bishopstown clubmate Bob Honohan & ex-GAA president Nicky Brennan.

Really enjoyed yesterday's game, I think the only question still remaining is how many AI's Cork would've won if the GPA/SIPTU brigade weren't acting the bollo*?

Lads, lets not have another thread about the big bad wolves in Cork clothing. Talk about the match.

Yesterday was an education for all of us who think they know a bit about hurling.

Kilkenny attacked every ball at full tilt, were first to any breaking ball and are ruthless in all aspects, tackling, score taking etc. They do play on the edge but that's where you've got to match them but then they're great hurlers to boot. First touch is crisp and clean, striking off left and right is easy looking, except for Fogarty, who looks a bit awkward but is seldom caught out. They all can win their own ball so there's less worry about tactics, they defend as a unit and can interchange at will. There was no wholesale changes yesterday when they lost their centre back, just a straight replacement whereas other teams would be looking to bring in a wing back or midfielder.

It's really hard to see who can beat them this year or even next!

Someone mentioned counties having 5 year to get competitive with Kilkenny, that's the thing, it takes years, decades, to see the results of well laid coaching schemes as the Dubs will find out. Kilkenny have been dominating underage hurling for the best part of the 90's and its now they're reaping the rewards.

Exactly Johnny. That's what I was getting at. They have the skills, no doubt. Their first touch is sublime usually, and they can all strike of either side without any difference.

But what they have distilled the game down to is the reliance and the unspoken assumption that every one of them will contest and win every ball that comes near them. They play 1 to 15, and on any given day at least 10 of them win their personal battles. Systems and schemes like Cork and Galway's plan to run at them definitely threw them for a while, but I think they've decided to go one on one and win the ball first and foremost.

I think the closest think Kilkenny have to a 'tactic' is the preference to run straight at the heart of a defence, and if goal opportunities present themselves, then pin back the ears.

Enjoy them while they last - no team lasts forever and it shows how good that Cork team were that stopped them in their tracks for a few years, even when KK had DJ etc.

Gerry O'Connor had some game when introduced yesterday. Was he an injury worry in the run up to team selection ?.

Aisake doesn't do it for me at all - He ran past and hit Tyrell a shoulder off the ball and it was like flies round shite after it - the KK boys mauled him. No love lost. As soon as he went on his ass, the KK boys seemed to just galvanise themselves and get ripped in even harder.


Any word on Shefflin and Hogan ?.

Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2010, 10:41:24 AM
Enjoy them while they last - no team lasts forever and it shows how good that Cork team were that stopped them in their tracks for a few years, even when KK had DJ etc.

Gerry O'Connor had some game when introduced yesterday. Was he an injury worry in the run up to team selection ?.

Aisake doesn't do it for me at all - He ran past and hit Tyrell a shoulder off the ball and it was like flies round shite after it - the KK boys mauled him. No love lost. As soon as he went on his ass, the KK boys seemed to just galvanise themselves and get ripped in even harder.


Any word on Shefflin and Hogan ?.

I've been saying for a couple of years now that in my opinion Noel Hickey is as important as any other player on that team. As good as they are, if Kilkenny were short Hickey, Shefflin and maybe Tommy Walsh or JJ Delaney, they suddenly become beatable in my view.

Kilkenny are not conceding the goals they conceded last year, which made teams a lot closer to them. I think a prime reason for that is Noel Hickey. Aisake was grist to his mill.

Congrats to Kilkenny and thanks for yet again doing the GAA an immense service by dishing out a massive whipping to the guys refused to play for their county.

What struck me most about seeing Kilkenny up close and oh-so-personal in 2008 was just how strong they were. Early on in the game Aidan Kearney emerged with the ball and ran into Eddie Brennan. Kearney flew back like he'd been hit by a collective rugby front row even though he was the one with the momentum. Yes, they have all the skills but it's the ironman physique that allows them so much space to be able to show off ths skills. For all of their underage success, it is Cody's traning methods and his ruthless disposal of those who don't come up to his high standards that makes this Kilkenny team the greatest of them all. So if you are in your car and you see Brian Cody at a pelican crossing . . . let him across. But don't say the thought didn't cross your mind ;D

As an aside, the whole premise of the Cork strike was (of course) about the long-term development of Cork hurling and democracy triumphing over tyranny. But I would suggest that Denis Walsh is a prisoner of those who effectively installed him. Does anyone think the O'Connors or Tom Kenny would be playing for a Brian Cody team? He would have culled them years ago and their replacements would now be fully-fledged Championship hurlers. Two years lost - at least. But (of course) it was all about principles so the price - how's that whole five-in-a-row thing that Roy Keane was talking abou (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20060723/ai_n16667623/)t with a straight face back in 2006 working for ye now? - of Kilkenny motoring away into the All-Ireland distance was worth paying

Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2010, 10:41:24 AM
Enjoy them while they last - no team lasts forever and it shows how good that Cork team were that stopped them in their tracks for a few years, even when KK had DJ etc.

That's the scariest thing, every year there's a newcomer onto the team who's probably replacing a former allstar. Michael Fennelly, John Dalton, Richie Power, TJ Reid and the likes are all very young men whom Cody has blended into the team seamlessly.

Derek Lyng, Comerford, Michael Kavanagh and Michael Rice can't even get a start.

DJ, Peter Barry, Carter, etc  drifted from the team without it loosing stride. This is more than a team of 15 players, it could well turn out to be a dynasty.

That is the scary thing is that they are slowly replacing them one by one.

Take an example of their midfield - Cha and Lyng were immense the other year. You'd have wondered who'd replace them. Now Cha was only on because another guy (Rice I think) was injured. Look at the forwards - Shefflin one of the greatest ever missed half the game yesterday.

Even looking at yesterday KK can play a lot better. Eddie Brennan was very quiet for his standards, TJ Reid wasn't great and no 4 whose name escapes me had a poor game by his standards (though more so when the game was over). You can bet they'll need to shape up in training or be dropped.

Richie Power is only 24 and is amazing. Richie Hogan is to come in and the young guy who came in yesterday in WHF is damn good too.

The ones who I would see them struggle to replace are JJ and Tommy Walsh. However it will be easier that they're different ages. JJ should finish well before Tommy and then they can replace him first. Tommy Walsh will be hard to replace though.

They are an amazing team and it is hard to see anyone stopping them in the next few years.

Some guy has 50 yoyos on at 1,000/1 for the 5 in a row I heard them say. (from before 2006)

Don't forget Noel Hickey. The Dunamaggin man is the glue of that full back line. He's a big loss if he leaves.

What age is Hickey?

Shefflin and Brennan 31. Would expect Delaney to be similar. Not sure on Hickey.

I thought that was a brilliant KK minor team yesterday. Played very similarly to the seniors. Felt sorry for Galway and Power junior looked like a huge talent too.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 09, 2010, 11:15:31 AM
Don't forget Noel Hickey. The Dunamaggin man is the glue of that full back line. He's a big loss if he leaves.

Great full back - hard as nails - can doze you away from goals ( look at what Aisake got yesterday ), can play whatever way you want and protects the square old style. That after milking a pile of cows every day.


The brother Canice is a no nonsene player as well.

Quote from: magpie seanie on August 09, 2010, 10:46:20 AM
Congrats to Kilkenny and thanks for yet again doing the GAA an immense service by dishing out a massive whipping to the guys refused to play for their county.

Where was your thanks for Cork thrashing Limerick? Double standards, as always.

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Quote from: magpie seanie on August 09, 2010, 10:46:20 AM
Congrats to Kilkenny and thanks for yet again doing the GAA an immense service by dishing out a massive whipping to the guys refused to play for their county.

Where was your thanks for Cork thrashing Limerick? Double standards, as always.

I suppose Cork trashed lads who wanted to play for their county :D The lads who didn't want to play, weren't. Sorry, just being pedantic now.

I wonder who the Cork players want as manager next year??

Brian Cody! They should go on strike if Cork county board don't appoint him.

Delaney is only 28 - he came into the team for the 2002 season, Walsh a year younger and a year later. After Tommy's performance yesterday and Larkin destroying Gardiner, Walsh has surely racked up his 8th consecutive All-Star. Incredible.

Hickey is 29 or 30 but has had plenty of injuries over the years. Hopefully he can stay fit for a few, because he's an unreal hurler. Ideally I think Cody would love to have been able to move Hogan to full back when Hickey retires as Tennyson (undoubtedly a better hurler than Hogan) should have the CHB spot sown up, provided he can get bast the injuries of course. Two cruciate injuries by the age of 25 is terrible for any athlete.

With all the skills, phyiscal attributes, willingness to work and will to win, I think the one thing that is most impressive about this KK group is that they are united.  They are very much a team together, AZ spoke of Hickey being the glue in the full back line, and that sums up everyone of them, stuck like glue.  Maybe it is the jersies but they are a bit like we were in Cross :P, hit one you hit us all, but that sort of unity is not easy to build and kudos must go to Cody for that.  But players who can be like that are special, history makers, and I feel humbled watching them as they go about their work.  I really hope they finish it out as there are no medals for winning the semi and whoever makes the final will have no issue about motivation.  It is how they channel that motivation that is important.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 09, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
With all the skills, phyiscal attributes, willingness to work and will to win, I think the one thing that is most impressive about this KK group is that they are united.  They are very much a team together, AZ spoke of Hickey being the glue in the full back line, and that sums up everyone of them, stuck like glue.  Maybe it is the jersies but they are a bit like we were in Cross :P, hit one you hit us all, but that sort of unity is not easy to build and kudos must go to Cody for that.  But players who can be like that are special, history makers, and I feel humbled watching them as they go about their work.  I really hope they finish it out as there are no medals for winning the semi and whoever makes the final will have no issue about motivation.  It is how they channel that motivation that is important.

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There's no point trying to ruffle their feathers early on - look what they did to Waterford after Fitzy told them to rough up Tommy Walsh in the first few minutes of that AI.

Aisake tried to rough up a few of them yestersday and ended up being rather unceremoniously put on his hole.

Cadogan tried goading Richie Power and 1-8 later and the man of the match award,  Cadogan was left scratching his head.

sick to the teeth watching kilkenny winning the only thing i can see stopping them is a cut brake line on their train to dublin for the final, The run has to end at some stage but could honestly see them picking up 4 or five more A.I's before that happens. :'(

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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 09, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
With all the skills, phyiscal attributes, willingness to work and will to win, I think the one thing that is most impressive about this KK group is that they are united.  They are very much a team together, AZ spoke of Hickey being the glue in the full back line, and that sums up everyone of them, stuck like glue.  Maybe it is the jersies but they are a bit like we were in Cross :P, hit one you hit us all, but that sort of unity is not easy to build and kudos must go to Cody for that.  But players who can be like that are special, history makers, and I feel humbled watching them as they go about their work.  I really hope they finish it out as there are no medals for winning the semi and whoever makes the final will have no issue about motivation.  It is how they channel that motivation that is important.

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There's no point trying to ruffle their feathers early on - look what they did to Waterford after Fitzy told them to rough up Tommy Walsh in the first few minutes of that AI.

Aisake tried to rough up a few of them yestersday and ended up being rather unceremoniously put on his hole.

Cadogan tried goading Richie Power and 1-8 later and the man of the match award,  Cadogan was left scratching his head.

In all fairness to Aisake, I think he was jostled first.

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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 09, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
With all the skills, phyiscal attributes, willingness to work and will to win, I think the one thing that is most impressive about this KK group is that they are united.  They are very much a team together, AZ spoke of Hickey being the glue in the full back line, and that sums up everyone of them, stuck like glue.  Maybe it is the jersies but they are a bit like we were in Cross :P, hit one you hit us all, but that sort of unity is not easy to build and kudos must go to Cody for that.  But players who can be like that are special, history makers, and I feel humbled watching them as they go about their work.  I really hope they finish it out as there are no medals for winning the semi and whoever makes the final will have no issue about motivation.  It is how they channel that motivation that is important.

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There's no point trying to ruffle their feathers early on - look what they did to Waterford after Fitzy told them to rough up Tommy Walsh in the first few minutes of that AI.

Aisake tried to rough up a few of them yestersday and ended up being rather unceremoniously put on his hole.

Cadogan tried goading Richie Power and 1-8 later and the man of the match award,  Cadogan was left scratching his head.

In all fairness to Aisake, I think he was jostled first.

Sunday Game showed an angle from behind the goal - entire incident actually started with Ben O'Connor on Tyrrell just behind the other two.

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on August 09, 2010, 01:17:38 PM
sick to the teeth watching kilkenny winning the only thing i can see stopping them is a cut brake line on their train to dublin for the final, The run has to end at some stage but could honestly see them picking up 4 or five more A.I's before that happens. :'(

That's one way of looking at it, but I prefer to respect and admire their greatness. I'd love Offaly to dump them on their hole next year, but as of now all you can do is respect them, admire them, and thank God you're here to watch them. I'll be telling my little fella, and please god my Grandchildren, about Hickey, Tommy, Cha, Henry, and the rest.

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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 09, 2010, 09:32:52 AM
Super display by los gatos. I missed it 'live' because I was driving down from home to Newport, and had to divert through Kinnitty because of the Tullamore Show. Couldn't help thinking as I drove through Kinnitty what men like Brendan Keesham, Pat Deleaney and co make of this Kilkenny team. Kinnitty has produced some great hurlers over the years, but these lads are artists. As I was driving down and Michéal's dulcet tones were carrying me down the road, and point after point were going over the Cork crossbar in the first half, I just reflected how lucky we are to live in these times and to see this team.

Cork kept going, as they surely always will, but in fairness I think Kilkenny, once they stretched it to 17, decided to just keep ticking over.

I still think this great team can be beaten, but it is going to take something else now. It's going to take a team where you have 15 lads willing, able and skilled enough to look Tommy Walsh, Noel Hickey, Cha Fitzpatrick, Henry Shefflin, Ritchie Power, JJ Delaney and the rest square in the eye and say 'I'm going to beat you today. I'm going to win this battle'.

Kilkenny, in bringing the game to a place it has never been before, have also reduced it to it's bare bones, it's basest element. They have all the skills, but their modus operadum is quite simple really. Win the ball, over, and over again. And when you win it, use it to maximum effect.

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Their minors played the game the exact same way. Pundits were talking up this Galway minor team. And look what happened.

Kilkenny were favourites for that game. In Galway it was felt this year's team wasn't as good as the last few years.

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Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2010, 10:03:16 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 09, 2010, 09:32:52 AM
Super display by los gatos. I missed it 'live' because I was driving down from home to Newport, and had to divert through Kinnitty because of the Tullamore Show. Couldn't help thinking as I drove through Kinnitty what men like Brendan Keesham, Pat Deleaney and co make of this Kilkenny team. Kinnitty has produced some great hurlers over the years, but these lads are artists. As I was driving down and Michéal's dulcet tones were carrying me down the road, and point after point were going over the Cork crossbar in the first half, I just reflected how lucky we are to live in these times and to see this team.

Cork kept going, as they surely always will, but in fairness I think Kilkenny, once they stretched it to 17, decided to just keep ticking over.

I still think this great team can be beaten, but it is going to take something else now. It's going to take a team where you have 15 lads willing, able and skilled enough to look Tommy Walsh, Noel Hickey, Cha Fitzpatrick, Henry Shefflin, Ritchie Power, JJ Delaney and the rest square in the eye and say 'I'm going to beat you today. I'm going to win this battle'.

Kilkenny, in bringing the game to a place it has never been before, have also reduced it to it's bare bones, it's basest element. They have all the skills, but their modus operadum is quite simple really. Win the ball, over, and over again. And when you win it, use it to maximum effect.

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Their minors played the game the exact same way. Pundits were talking up this Galway minor team. And look what happened.

Kilkenny were favourites for that game. In Galway it was felt this year's team wasn't as good as the last few years.

Ok but only slight favourites - I was in the bookies on Saturday - KK were 10/11 and Galway evens. Hardly rip roaring favourites.

They will probably win it again this year (Especially if Waterford make the final).

But Kilkennys hunger has to go sometime. So I dont understand why people are so despondent about it. I prefer to look at the current one sided nature of hurling from Azoffalys point of view:

QuoteThat's one way of looking at it, but I prefer to respect and admire their greatness. I'd love Offaly to dump them on their hole next year, but as of now all you can do is respect them, admire them, and thank God you're here to watch them. I'll be telling my little fella, and please god my Grandchildren, about Hickey, Tommy, Cha, Henry, and the rest.

Kilkenny will not be here forever - Just enjoy them while they are!

Sheff is in line to win 8 all Ireland senior medals. Up there with the greats.
Twice as many all-Irelands as Galway EVER won. There must be something in the water.   

Did naughton go off injured yesterday or was he just punctured?

Quote from: seafoid on August 09, 2010, 02:15:06 PM
Sheff is in line to win 8 all Ireland senior medals. Up there with the greats.
Twice as many all-Irelands as Galway EVER won. There must be something in the water.

As are Hickey and Brennan, but Shefflin started every single one. Mickey Kavanagh too.

Quote from: theskull1 on August 09, 2010, 02:18:07 PM
Did naughton go off injured yesterday or was he just punctured?

Cleaned out in midfield during the first half.

Moved into the FF line 2nd half and never got a ball. So was taken off.

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Quote from: theskull1 on August 09, 2010, 02:18:07 PM
Did naughton go off injured yesterday or was he just punctured?

Cleaned out in midfield during the first half.

Moved into the FF line 2nd half and never got a ball. So was taken off.

Was only in FF line briefly as Tyrrell was cleaning him out. Went out to play as a third midfielder again and got subbed.

Gallsman, may be mistaken but I thought that it was only Kavanagh and Shefflin in line for the 8th AI medal.  Think Brennan has "only" 6 of them.

Of this 3 reckon only Henry will soldier on in 2011.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 09, 2010, 01:27:05 PM

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on August 09, 2010, 01:17:38 PM
sick to the teeth watching kilkenny winning the only thing i can see stopping them is a cut brake line on their train to dublin for the final, The run has to end at some stage but could honestly see them picking up 4 or five more A.I's before that happens. :'(

That's one way of looking at it, but I prefer to respect and admire their greatness. I'd love Offaly to dump them on their hole next year, but as of now all you can do is respect them, admire them, and thank God you're here to watch them. I'll be telling my little fella, and please god my Grandchildren, about Hickey, Tommy, Cha, Henry, and the rest.

I have nothing but admiration for this Kilkenny team, with out a doubt in my view the greatest team of my life time, probably ever. I enjoy watching them play each time i see them. They have brought the game to a level everyone else just can't seem to get anywhere near. That all being said I am fed up of seeing them winning and i would be lying to say otherwise.

Quote from: Canalman on August 09, 2010, 03:10:54 PM
Gallsman, may be mistaken but I thought that it was only Kavanagh and Shefflin in line for the 8th AI medal.  Think Brennan has "only" 6 of them.

Of this 3 reckon only Henry will soldier on in 2011.

Depends on the awarding of the medals. Hickey was on the 2000 team, and Brennan was on the panel. Brennan didn't become an automatic first choice until a few yeas later. Hickey may have missed some (like last year) due to injury, but when fit he's been there for the last ten years.

Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2010, 11:27:36 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 09, 2010, 11:15:31 AM
Don't forget Noel Hickey. The Dunamaggin man is the glue of that full back line. He's a big loss if he leaves.

Great full back - hard as nails - can doze you away from goals ( look at what Aisake got yesterday ), can play whatever way you want and protects the square old style. That after milking a pile of cows every day.


The brother Canice is a no nonsene player as well.

I was sitting down at the Hill End of the Cusack yesterday and there was a time, in the first half after the first skirmish with O'Halpin when Hickey went over to the goals and picked up a bottle of water out of the back of the net and took a few slugs out of it with his back to the pitch.  While he was doing that O'Halpin went over and gave Tyrell a bit of a dunt in the back again.  Hickey turned around and saw him do it and by jaysus he came thundering out of the goal with fire in his eyes and gives O'Halpin a few digs and that was the end of it.

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Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Not crazy about what Brennan said, as an ex president? A bit out of line. Strange that they've both come out speaking up like that, it's not like Kilkenny to be mouthing off. Never mind the fact that neither have read the book

Nicky Brennan told me personally that he read the book and it was a good insight into Donal Óg after being on the opposite side of the table to him often enough - don't know where you've established neither read it. More Reillersland bullshi*

Funny, because I'm 90% sure that Keher said that he wouldn't touch the book and hasn't and will never read it. As for Brennan doubt he's read it either, not like he ever made an attempt to hide his true colours. 

You just know everybody don't you.. ::) ::)

Not one to fight Heffo's corner for him but Brennan was just on Newstalk talking what a good read Donal Og's book was...

Very disappointed with the game yesterday & Cork's approach to it. They never gave Aisaike the only ball he can deal with. Giving Cian McCarthy his debut against the greatest team ever in an AISF was foolhardy, no matter how good the pedigree. They were over ran in the middle, Fennelly looks a different player to last year, some improvement. Can't believe how far Tom Kenny has gone back, Cork are in big trouble for the next 5 years I would suggest...

Everything has already been said about this Kilkenny team, the way Cody takes no nonsense, always has his team playing to a high percent of their optimum is a testimony to his managerial skills. Probably the greatest manager of the greatest team ever. I said at the start of the year that I thought KK would sneak over the line for the 5 in a row and they disappear back into the pack after this year but am now revising my opinion. They may be in sight of the pack but I think they'll keep out of touching distance for another year or two, an impossible feat in professional cycling...

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Their minors played the game the exact same way. Pundits were talking up this Galway minor team. And look what happened.
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I wouldn't read too much into the minor match. Galway could be back next year or the year after to win the thing. You have to give Kilkenny a shot at a few all-Irelands at that level. 

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Quote from: heffo on August 07, 2010, 07:33:28 PM

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Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Isn't Eddie Keher very sensitive? For a man who was one of the greatest forwards of all time, would have have taken savage belts and broken plenty of bones on the hurling field ( I assume), he seems awful put out by an observation that's just barely offensive. Also I think he should probably read the book before he goes slagging it off in the media.

Not crazy about what Brennan said, as an ex president? A bit out of line. Strange that they've both come out speaking up like that, it's not like Kilkenny to be mouthing off. Never mind the fact that neither have read the book

Nicky Brennan told me personally that he read the book and it was a good insight into Donal Óg after being on the opposite side of the table to him often enough - don't know where you've established neither read it. More Reillersland bullshi*

Funny, because I'm 90% sure that Keher said that he wouldn't touch the book and hasn't and will never read it. As for Brennan doubt he's read it either, not like he ever made an attempt to hide his true colours. 

You just know everybody don't you.. ::) ::)

Not one to fight Heffo's corner for him but Brennan was just on Newstalk talking what a good read Donal Og's book was...

Very disappointed with the game yesterday & Cork's approach to it. They never gave Aisaike the only ball he can deal with. Giving Cian McCarthy his debut against the greatest team ever in an AISF was foolhardy, no matter how good the pedigree. They were over ran in the middle, Fennelly looks a different player to last year, some improvement. Can't believe how far Tom Kenny has gone back, Cork are in big trouble for the next 5 years I would suggest...

Everything has already been said about this Kilkenny team, the way Cody takes no nonsense, always has his team playing to a high percent of their optimum is a testimony to his managerial skills. Probably the greatest manager of the greatest team ever. I said at the start of the year that I thought KK would sneak over the line for the 5 in a row and they disappear back into the pack after this year but am now revising my opinion. They may be in sight of the pack but I think they'll keep out of touching distance for another year or two, an impossible feat in professional cycling...

Something that people don't realise is that while we've players who've been around for a long time, they're not that old. Off the top of my head, Sean Og and Donal Og (and he's a keeper) are like 33 ish, the O Connor twins are 31, everyone else is under 30.
They're running on nothing and have been around for a long time, but I can't see many will be retiring.
Maybe Sean Og, probably the fittest player in the country, Donal Og well like I said he's a keeper and is one of the best, while the O Connor twins are still outstanding. Even Jerry yesterday. All their fuel has burnt out, they've ran out of fuel, but they're not that old.

Whatever their age Reillers I think a fresh start is needed in every sense of the word and that will be best served by some of the longer serving and controversial figures gracefully retiring. It would have been better for Cork to have had a 20 point beating yesterday with 5 or 6 more young players on the field and getting experience than what happened. The past 2 seasons have seen no progress and not enough young players properly blooded. The time has come to sacrifice the remote possibility of short term success for building a team for 2 or 3 years time. In saying this I am conscious of what a lot of the older players have contributed and my comments are not related to the strike but like Kerry at the end of the 80s you can have some fellows just hanging on too long and it is difficult to rebuild a team in such a situation

Quote from: Tatler Jack on August 09, 2010, 11:49:17 PM
Whatever their age Reillers I think a fresh start is needed in every sense of the word and that will be best served by some of the longer serving and controversial figures gracefully retiring. It would have been better for Cork to have had a 20 point beating yesterday with 5 or 6 more young players on the field and getting experience than what happened. The past 2 seasons have seen no progress and not enough young players properly blooded. The time has come to sacrifice the remote possibility of short term success for building a team for 2 or 3 years time. In saying this I am conscious of what a lot of the older players have contributed and my comments are not related to the strike but like Kerry at the end of the 80s you can have some fellows just hanging on too long and it is difficult to rebuild a team in such a situation

But asking anyone but the above 4 mentioned, would be a bit of an ask. The last 2 years have made progress that will hopefully be seen by everyone outside of Cork in the next few years to come.
Half of me wants a fresh start, the other half would be incredibly sad to see them leave.

There has to be a point though, and I agree that a fresh start is needed, new players, a new slate, but I just can't see many retiring, and whatever you can say about them in the strike, they've put in tremendous service to Cork GAA and the game in general. As good as this Kilkenny team are, that Cork team early on in the decade were good enough to stop them and step ahead of them. I doubt that's what some of ye will remember them for, but in Cork we'll remember the outstanding days out, and in the years ahead, while ye wont see it outside yet, hopefully we'll see the good work from the clubs forum come through.

I remember them Reillers and missed very few games in the period up to 2006. However I think that rebuilding will be easier if a few more retire. Unfirtunately I do no not share your view that the last 2 years has seen progress - seems to be a confusing period in terms of team selection and tactics.  Backroom still have to show that they have a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve e.g. select a tall FF and then do not send any ball in to him. Also skill levels seem to have gone back.

Quote from: Tatler Jack on August 10, 2010, 12:11:50 AM
I remember them Reillers and missed very few games in the period up to 2006. However I think that rebuilding will be easier if a few more retire. Unfirtunately I do no not share your view that the last 2 years has seen progress - seems to be a confusing period in terms of team selection and tactics.  Backroom still have to show that they have a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve e.g. select a tall FF and then do not send any ball in to him. Also skill levels seem to have gone back.

I said, well what I meant to say is, that the key progress that was made was off the field, which didn't come across clearly in my post. The team lost 2 years, 2 years given the right situation and right manager and right players, we could have spent up with Kilkenny, we were the only ones close to this Kilkenny team and we lost 2 seasons of it. But while in the short run it was painful to watch, in the long run it'll be better for Cork GAA in general.

There was a bit of confusion with how to use the players and tactics, but we never really worked it out. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. He tried, they tried, but it was a bit predictable.

As for our skill levels, ya it hasn't been great, but the Kilkenny f**kers are crazy, and will make anyone look average next to them, they look like they practice a full belt with the entire squad in the ball alley, their sharpness and ability to win the ball in heavy traffic is ridiculous.

We need to start again, and by next season have a bunch of kids with a few wides heads in the mix totally written off..99 all over again. I wish.. :-\

We lost precious time competing with Kilkenny on the pitch but in the long run, because of it, and it's kinda sad, read in the times this morning, how the Kilkenny team had stolen our future, what might have been, and it's a bit sad thinking about it, what might have been, but what happened has changed the way things are done in Cork, and some very good, hard..long, work has been done and hopefully now we'll see some desperately needed progress that will drag the CCB into this decade..by the hair, kicking and screaming if necessary.

..Or beg for O Grady to come back.  ;)

Quote from: Reillers on August 10, 2010, 12:20:03 AM

Quote from: Tatler Jack on August 10, 2010, 12:11:50 AM
I remember them Reillers and missed very few games in the period up to 2006. However I think that rebuilding will be easier if a few more retire. Unfirtunately I do no not share your view that the last 2 years has seen progress - seems to be a confusing period in terms of team selection and tactics.  Backroom still have to show that they have a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve e.g. select a tall FF and then do not send any ball in to him. Also skill levels seem to have gone back.

I said, well what I meant to say is, that the key progress that was made was off the field, which didn't come across clearly in my post. The team lost 2 years, 2 years given the right situation and right manager and right players, we could have spent up with Kilkenny, we were the only ones close to this Kilkenny team and we lost 2 seasons of it. But while in the short run it was painful to watch, in the long run it'll be better for Cork GAA in general.

There was a bit of confusion with how to use the players and tactics, but we never really worked it out. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. He tried, they tried, but it was a bit predictable.

We need to start again, and by next season have a bunch of kids with a few wides heads in the mix totally written off..99 all over again. I wish.. :-\

We lost precious time competing with Kilkenny on the pitch but in the long run, because of it, we'll see some desperately needed progress that will drag the CCB into this decade..by the hair if necessary.
.or beg for O Grady to come back.  ;)

You still aren't getting are you ?.

Quote from: Reillers on August 10, 2010, 12:20:03 AM

Quote from: Tatler Jack on August 10, 2010, 12:11:50 AM
I remember them Reillers and missed very few games in the period up to 2006. However I think that rebuilding will be easier if a few more retire. Unfirtunately I do no not share your view that the last 2 years has seen progress - seems to be a confusing period in terms of team selection and tactics.  Backroom still have to show that they have a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve e.g. select a tall FF and then do not send any ball in to him. Also skill levels seem to have gone back.

The team lost 2 years, 2 years given the right situation and right manager and right players, we could have spent up with Kilkenny

We lost precious time competing with Kilkenny on the pitch

How many more AI's would Cork have won if it weren't for the strike?

PPS - you've previously claimed that KK were good but not great/were helped by not playing in a competitive province - I assume you've done a 100% U-turn on that position?

QuoteAs for our skill levels, ya it hasn't been great, but the Kilkenny f**kers are crazy, and will make anyone look average next to them, they look like they practice a full belt with the entire squad in the ball alley, their sharpness and ability to win the ball in heavy traffic is ridiculous.

Reillers, I don't want to get into an argument again but jaysus I am tiring of people referring to the Kilkenny training methods and in one paper on Sunday it was suggested that the fact that two Cats players were out because of broken bones that they received in training was an indication of the intensity of their training.   If you want to win at hurling you have to do ball work, a player won't win an All-Ireland sitting in a book shop signing autographs or holding hurleys up with phone numbers written on them for photoshoots.  Even today Cappello says he has to get the England Soccer teams heads right, that is a huge thing as well but you can't have your head right if you have set yourself up for advertising agencies to be calling you every other day of the week.  Comerford came on as a sub on Sunday and his head was right when he got to the Naas By-Pass because if that was most other subs they would have spent the first five minutes finding their position and acting the bollix shouldering their opponent to make an impression where as the only impression Comerford wanted to make was on the scoreboard which he did - on his way onto the field.

There is no point complaining about Kilkenny's hard training sessions because if you want to compete that is what you have to do in Cork.  Daly, regardless of what anyone says about him has put a bit of steel into the Dublin hurlers which is why even they are better than Cork today which might be a bit hard to swallow.

Cork need to bring youngsters into the team who can stand up and develop as leaders and with the likes of Donal O'g in particular in the changing room that might mitigate against that happening.

In 97 JBM started filtering young men he'd mentored as minors into the senior team who were allowed time to grow into their positions before they were the real deal in 99. Will Walsh be given the same grace period if he decides to go down the same route?


The team itself does need a good bit of work ,but I'd keep Curran and Gardiner with Tom Kenny possibly dropping back into the half back line to replace Sean O'g who no matter how fit he is has lost a yard or two of pace. It's the key midfield and no's 11 and 14 where they need to find lads able to win their own ball and be dangerous in possession. If they can find lads for there then you can work around them.

Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2010, 10:25:18 AM

In 97 JBM started filtering young men he'd mentored as minors into the senior team who were allowed time to grow into their positions before they were the real deal in 99. Will Walsh be given the same grace period if he decides to go down the same route?

Hopefully he will be given time to rebuild - it's going to take a few years

Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 10, 2010, 10:19:37 AM

QuoteAs for our skill levels, ya it hasn't been great, but the Kilkenny f**kers are crazy, and will make anyone look average next to them, they look like they practice a full belt with the entire squad in the ball alley, their sharpness and ability to win the ball in heavy traffic is ridiculous.

Reillers, I don't want to get into an argument again but jaysus I am tiring of people referring to the Kilkenny training methods and in one paper on Sunday it was suggested that the fact that two Cats players were out because of broken bones that they received in training was an indication of the intensity of their training.   If you want to win at hurling you have to do ball work, a player won't win an All-Ireland sitting in a book shop signing autographs or holding hurleys up with phone numbers written on them for photoshoots.  Even today Cappello says he has to get the England Soccer teams heads right, that is a huge thing as well but you can't have your head right if you have set yourself up for advertising agencies to be calling you every other day of the week.  Comerford came on as a sub on Sunday and his head was right when he got to the Naas By-Pass because if that was most other subs they would have spent the first five minutes finding their position and acting the bollix shouldering their opponent to make an impression where as the only impression Comerford wanted to make was on the scoreboard which he did - on his way onto the field.

There is no point complaining about Kilkenny's hard training sessions because if you want to compete that is what you have to do in Cork.  Daly, regardless of what anyone says about him has put a bit of steel into the Dublin hurlers which is why even they are better than Cork today which might be a bit hard to swallow.

It was a joke, God, but their ability to win the ball in tight areas is outstanding. Their skills levles are on another level. I wish we did whatever they did, but that's a mystery. I know one or two lads from Kilkenny who go to some sessions and say that it's not 100 miles an hour breaking hurleys off each other stuff like everyone says.
I guess you're right a player wont win AI doing ads for drinks like Shefflin, but that's in their extra time and he seems to train well and clearly he's no problem winning AIs. It's a wonder how he gets his head right.

::) If you want to stirr go join the obsessive ones like Heffo and co in the strike topic. 

Quote from: Reillers on August 10, 2010, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 10, 2010, 10:19:37 AM

QuoteAs for our skill levels, ya it hasn't been great, but the Kilkenny f**kers are crazy, and will make anyone look average next to them, they look like they practice a full belt with the entire squad in the ball alley, their sharpness and ability to win the ball in heavy traffic is ridiculous.

Reillers, I don't want to get into an argument again but jaysus I am tiring of people referring to the Kilkenny training methods and in one paper on Sunday it was suggested that the fact that two Cats players were out because of broken bones that they received in training was an indication of the intensity of their training.   If you want to win at hurling you have to do ball work, a player won't win an All-Ireland sitting in a book shop signing autographs or holding hurleys up with phone numbers written on them for photoshoots.  Even today Cappello says he has to get the England Soccer teams heads right, that is a huge thing as well but you can't have your head right if you have set yourself up for advertising agencies to be calling you every other day of the week.  Comerford came on as a sub on Sunday and his head was right when he got to the Naas By-Pass because if that was most other subs they would have spent the first five minutes finding their position and acting the bollix shouldering their opponent to make an impression where as the only impression Comerford wanted to make was on the scoreboard which he did - on his way onto the field.

There is no point complaining about Kilkenny's hard training sessions because if you want to compete that is what you have to do in Cork.  Daly, regardless of what anyone says about him has put a bit of steel into the Dublin hurlers which is why even they are better than Cork today which might be a bit hard to swallow.

I guess you're right a player wont win AI doing ads for drinks like Shefflin, but that's in their extra time and he seems to train well and clearly he's no problem winning AIs. It's a wonder how he gets his head right.

Henry Shefflin is blessed with humility. Self-promotion is alien to him.

Are those qualities abundant in the Cork dressing room?

Quote from: Reillers on August 10, 2010, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 10, 2010, 10:19:37 AM

QuoteAs for our skill levels, ya it hasn't been great, but the Kilkenny f**kers are crazy, and will make anyone look average next to them, they look like they practice a full belt with the entire squad in the ball alley, their sharpness and ability to win the ball in heavy traffic is ridiculous.

Reillers, I don't want to get into an argument again but jaysus I am tiring of people referring to the Kilkenny training methods and in one paper on Sunday it was suggested that the fact that two Cats players were out because of broken bones that they received in training was an indication of the intensity of their training.   If you want to win at hurling you have to do ball work, a player won't win an All-Ireland sitting in a book shop signing autographs or holding hurleys up with phone numbers written on them for photoshoots.  Even today Cappello says he has to get the England Soccer teams heads right, that is a huge thing as well but you can't have your head right if you have set yourself up for advertising agencies to be calling you every other day of the week.  Comerford came on as a sub on Sunday and his head was right when he got to the Naas By-Pass because if that was most other subs they would have spent the first five minutes finding their position and acting the bollix shouldering their opponent to make an impression where as the only impression Comerford wanted to make was on the scoreboard which he did - on his way onto the field.

There is no point complaining about Kilkenny's hard training sessions because if you want to compete that is what you have to do in Cork.  Daly, regardless of what anyone says about him has put a bit of steel into the Dublin hurlers which is why even they are better than Cork today which might be a bit hard to swallow.

It was a joke, God, but their ability to win the ball in tight areas is outstanding. Their skills levles are on another level. I wish we did whatever they did, but that's a mystery. I know one or two lads from Kilkenny who go to some sessions and say that it's not 100 miles an hour breaking hurleys off each other stuff like everyone says.
I guess you're right a player wont win AI doing ads for drinks like Shefflin, but that's in their extra time and he seems to train well and clearly he's no problem winning AIs. It's a wonder how he gets his head right.

::) If you want to stirr go join the obsessive ones like Heffo and co in the strike topic.

God, you're pathetic. I'm sure you wouldn't have a word to say if it was Club Energise.

Quote from: gallsman on August 10, 2010, 11:10:41 AM

Quote from: Reillers on August 10, 2010, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 10, 2010, 10:19:37 AM

QuoteAs for our skill levels, ya it hasn't been great, but the Kilkenny f**kers are crazy, and will make anyone look average next to them, they look like they practice a full belt with the entire squad in the ball alley, their sharpness and ability to win the ball in heavy traffic is ridiculous.

Reillers, I don't want to get into an argument again but jaysus I am tiring of people referring to the Kilkenny training methods and in one paper on Sunday it was suggested that the fact that two Cats players were out because of broken bones that they received in training was an indication of the intensity of their training.   If you want to win at hurling you have to do ball work, a player won't win an All-Ireland sitting in a book shop signing autographs or holding hurleys up with phone numbers written on them for photoshoots.  Even today Cappello says he has to get the England Soccer teams heads right, that is a huge thing as well but you can't have your head right if you have set yourself up for advertising agencies to be calling you every other day of the week.  Comerford came on as a sub on Sunday and his head was right when he got to the Naas By-Pass because if that was most other subs they would have spent the first five minutes finding their position and acting the bollix shouldering their opponent to make an impression where as the only impression Comerford wanted to make was on the scoreboard which he did - on his way onto the field.

There is no point complaining about Kilkenny's hard training sessions because if you want to compete that is what you have to do in Cork.  Daly, regardless of what anyone says about him has put a bit of steel into the Dublin hurlers which is why even they are better than Cork today which might be a bit hard to swallow.

It was a joke, God, but their ability to win the ball in tight areas is outstanding. Their skills levles are on another level. I wish we did whatever they did, but that's a mystery. I know one or two lads from Kilkenny who go to some sessions and say that it's not 100 miles an hour breaking hurleys off each other stuff like everyone says.
I guess you're right a player wont win AI doing ads for drinks like Shefflin, but that's in their extra time and he seems to train well and clearly he's no problem winning AIs. It's a wonder how he gets his head right.

::) If you want to stirr go join the obsessive ones like Heffo and co in the strike topic.

God, you're pathetic. I'm sure you wouldn't have a word to say if it was Club Energise.

So Bud can go on talking about how you wont win AI by sitting in book stores signing autographs or do ads, I simply pointed out that Shefflin has done just fine. I mean it is him in the lucozade ad isn't it? It's pathetic for me to mention it, but not for Bud because it puts a KK player in the light as say other players ye talk down.
I don't have a problem with it at all, I've always said that you do what you gotta do, it's the likes of Bud and Heffo who seem to have a problem with it.

Just not when it's a Kilkenny player I guess. Double standards as usual.

Quote from: Reillers on August 10, 2010, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 10, 2010, 10:19:37 AM

QuoteAs for our skill levels, ya it hasn't been great, but the Kilkenny f**kers are crazy, and will make anyone look average next to them, they look like they practice a full belt with the entire squad in the ball alley, their sharpness and ability to win the ball in heavy traffic is ridiculous.

Reillers, I don't want to get into an argument again but jaysus I am tiring of people referring to the Kilkenny training methods and in one paper on Sunday it was suggested that the fact that two Cats players were out because of broken bones that they received in training was an indication of the intensity of their training.   If you want to win at hurling you have to do ball work, a player won't win an All-Ireland sitting in a book shop signing autographs or holding hurleys up with phone numbers written on them for photoshoots.  Even today Cappello says he has to get the England Soccer teams heads right, that is a huge thing as well but you can't have your head right if you have set yourself up for advertising agencies to be calling you every other day of the week.  Comerford came on as a sub on Sunday and his head was right when he got to the Naas By-Pass because if that was most other subs they would have spent the first five minutes finding their position and acting the bollix shouldering their opponent to make an impression where as the only impression Comerford wanted to make was on the scoreboard which he did - on his way onto the field.

There is no point complaining about Kilkenny's hard training sessions because if you want to compete that is what you have to do in Cork.  Daly, regardless of what anyone says about him has put a bit of steel into the Dublin hurlers which is why even they are better than Cork today which might be a bit hard to swallow.

It was a joke, God, but their ability to win the ball in tight areas is outstanding. Their skills levles are on another level. I wish we did whatever they did, but that's a mystery. I know one or two lads from Kilkenny who go to some sessions and say that it's not 100 miles an hour breaking hurleys off each other stuff like everyone says.
I guess you're right a player wont win AI doing ads for drinks like Shefflin, but that's in their extra time and he seems to train well and clearly he's no problem winning AIs. It's a wonder how he gets his head right.

::) If you want to stirr go join the obsessive ones like Heffo and co in the strike topic.

You're still not getting it yet, are you ?.

There must be something going on down in Cork - has anyone read Sean Óg's lastest interview?

"The wing-back would not be drawn on the potential need for restructuring the GAA within Cork. "I'm not getting into that debate. I've spoken on that before. In other sports when a loss like that takes place you've to look at where you're going, the future and so on, but at the end of the day I'm just a player. I don't make those decisions."

http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/o-hailpin-weve-a-lot-to-think-about-127430.html#ixzz0wCUrjVGc

Since when Sean? Since when?

You couldn't make it up Heffo.  Bizarre.

Denis Walsh might be in a small bit of trouble :


Losing like that was torture ... but life goes on
today at 9:07 am
A heavy defeat to Kilkenny in an All-Ireland semi-final is hard to take, but I've been down this road before and life goes on, writes Sean Og O hAilpin in his latest exclusive column for JOE.ie.




After what happened on Sunday, losing an All-Ireland semi-final to Kilkenny the way we did, it's torture to have to sit down and do this column. But life goes on. I was back in work on Monday morning. You have to get on with things.

In life, in hurling, you win some, you lose some, and Sunday wasn't our day. Travelling up we were in good form. The spirit was good, we felt that we had prepared as well as we could. We knew we were underdogs, but whether people said we had a chance or not, we were going up confident.

As the game went on, though, that confidence dwindled and dwindled and dwindled. You can pick the game apart, you can analyse it any way you want, but the bottom line is that we were outclassed and outplayed by a superior team. There's no hiding from that.

When the team was announced for the second half and Aisake wasn't on it, I found it a bit baffling. It was unfair to single out any of our full forward line at that stageIf we were going to beat Kilkenny, all of us needed big games, but the opposite happened. To have any chance, we needed a good start. We needed to be the ones forcing the game, but that didn't happen either. Kilkenny do it to every team – they go for the jugular as early as possible by looking for goals. We knew that was going to happen, and the aim was to keep them at bay for as long as we could, to go in at half-time having given ourselves a chance. We kept them at bay for the first five or ten minutes but the floodgates opened after that. You don't really think about it when you're playing, but looking back on it the game was over after 25 minutes or so.

At half-time, we tried to regroup so that we could get back out and restore some pride. We'd go around and talk to team-mates and try to restore some positives in the group. But our confidence had taken a battering and the second half was immaterial.

When the team was announced for the second half and Aisake wasn't on it, I found it a bit baffling. It was probably unfair to single out any of our full forward line at that stage, because they hadn't got any ball. A couple of balls went to Aisake – he won one and set up a point, he won another and was dispossessed. But sure we were all dispossessed. And I don't recall Noel Hickey coming out and clearing a mountain of ball.
He was very disappointed but no more than anyone else. Everyone was gutted with how it went. For a lot of the younger members of the team, Sunday was a big learning experience, but I've been down that road a few times. I've been on the wrong end of games like that before. In my first championship game Limerick beat us by 15 or 16 points. Clare hammered us another year. Two years ago we lost to Kilkenny in the All-Ireland semi-final by nine points.

I'm not thinking about my own future. All the focus is just on next weekend, when we [Na Piarsaigh] play Midleton in the fourth round of the club championship
That's part and parcel of hurling. You have bad days and good days, and Sunday was a bad day. It was a kick in the teeth, of course it was, but it's only sport. If losing like that in the semi-final of the All-Ireland is like a death in the family then you need to get a reality check. Sport is built up to be this huge thing but it's not the be-all and end-all. That's a policy I've adopted as I've become more mature in my own career. We all know people in real-life situations that are much more serious than losing a hurling game. No-one died on Sunday.

For me, I'm not thinking about the future. All the focus is just on next weekend, when we [Na Piarsaigh] play Midleton in the fourth round of the club championship. I'm not thinking any further than that, and it'll be great to get back out on the ground and get back hurling as quickly as possible.

No matter who wins next Sunday between Waterford and Tipperary, Kilkenny will go into the All-Ireland final as hot favourites and rightly so. They didn't need to beat Cork for that to be the case, but I suppose the manner in which they despatched us reinforced their position.

The stats don't lie, so whatever accolades and honours are bestowed upon Kilkenny, they deserve them. They're going for five-in-a-row and this summer, they've convincingly beaten every team they've played in the championship. At their ease.

But whoever it is, the build-up to the All-Ireland final will suit Tipperary or Waterford down to the ground. All the talk will be about Kilkenny and the five-in-a-row. They're one of the greatest teams in the history of hurling and they're going to be extremely hard to beat. But they're human beings. No-one is unbeatable.

Quote from: Canalman on August 10, 2010, 01:05:28 PM
You couldn't make it up Heffo.  Bizarre.

I'm confident that Reillers can clear all this up in that 'Ivor Callelyesque' way of his - there will be no lack of clarity.

I'd say there isn't a striker who regrets all that happened during that period.

There were no winners.

Quote from: orangeman on August 10, 2010, 01:36:41 PM
Denis Walsh might be in a small bit of trouble :


Losing like that was torture ... but life goes on
today at 9:07 am
A heavy defeat to Kilkenny in an All-Ireland semi-final is hard to take, but I've been down this road before and life goes on, writes Sean Og O hAilpin in his latest exclusive column for JOE.ie.




After what happened on Sunday, losing an All-Ireland semi-final to Kilkenny the way we did, it's torture to have to sit down and do this column. But life goes on. I was back in work on Monday morning. You have to get on with things.

In life, in hurling, you win some, you lose some, and Sunday wasn't our day. Travelling up we were in good form. The spirit was good, we felt that we had prepared as well as we could. We knew we were underdogs, but whether people said we had a chance or not, we were going up confident.

As the game went on, though, that confidence dwindled and dwindled and dwindled. You can pick the game apart, you can analyse it any way you want, but the bottom line is that we were outclassed and outplayed by a superior team. There's no hiding from that.

When the team was announced for the second half and Aisake wasn't on it, I found it a bit baffling. It was unfair to single out any of our full forward line at that stageIf we were going to beat Kilkenny, all of us needed big games, but the opposite happened. To have any chance, we needed a good start. We needed to be the ones forcing the game, but that didn't happen either. Kilkenny do it to every team – they go for the jugular as early as possible by looking for goals. We knew that was going to happen, and the aim was to keep them at bay for as long as we could, to go in at half-time having given ourselves a chance. We kept them at bay for the first five or ten minutes but the floodgates opened after that. You don't really think about it when you're playing, but looking back on it the game was over after 25 minutes or so.

At half-time, we tried to regroup so that we could get back out and restore some pride. We'd go around and talk to team-mates and try to restore some positives in the group. But our confidence had taken a battering and the second half was immaterial.

When the team was announced for the second half and Aisake wasn't on it, I found it a bit baffling. It was probably unfair to single out any of our full forward line at that stage, because they hadn't got any ball. A couple of balls went to Aisake – he won one and set up a point, he won another and was dispossessed. But sure we were all dispossessed. And I don't recall Noel Hickey coming out and clearing a mountain of ball.

Not a happy camper at all - Sean Óg should've been consulted on all matters of team selection

Genuine question for any of the cork hurling fans on here, if Aisake was 5 ft 11 would he be considered in the top 100 hurlers in Cork? It is a sad day when a traditional county like Cork have to play a big guy who hasnt an ounce of hurling in him. It is the sort of thing you get in junior hurling but not in senior inter county.

Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
I'd say there isn't a striker who regrets all that happened during that period.

There were no winners.

Don't expect balance here. The witch hunters are guilty of everything they accuse the strikers of. You'd have to wonder about the persistent agenda of a few here.

Kilkenny aren't winning because of a Strike of Cusack's book, it is because they are the best hurling team ever and will win the final even without the best hurler ever, simple as.

I would concur Muppet. People on here saying the team is worse than 2 years ago and people saying they are better all to fit their own agenda.

No one can categorically state or point to evidence either way. a) you have no concrete evidence they are better or worse than 2 years ago b) they are not the same players.

Pretty circular argument really.

At the very least there was no tangible change in their performance levels after Ger left. Is that not what is being inferred Tommy?

Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2010, 11:33:50 PM

Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
I'd say there isn't a striker who regrets all that happened during that period.

There were no winners.

Don't expect balance here. The witch hunters are guilty of everything they accuse the strikers of. You'd have to wonder about the persistent agenda of a few here.

Kilkenny aren't winning because of a Strike of Cusack's book, it is because they are the best hurling team ever and will win the final even without the best hurler ever, simple as.

Agreed muppet .... I get the feeling you think there are folk who would disagree with that. I'd love to know who they are

Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2010, 11:33:50 PM

Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
I'd say there isn't a striker who regrets all that happened during that period.

There were no winners.

Don't expect balance here. The witch hunters are guilty of everything they accuse the strikers of. You'd have to wonder about the persistent agenda of a few here.

Kilkenny aren't winning because of a Strike of Cusack's book, it is because they are the best hurling team ever and will win the final even without the best hurler ever, simple as.

They are obsessed. Heffo/Dowling/..etc. if not all of the same, and in their obsession of putting down Cork they refuse to give Kilkenny any credit. Cork this, Cork that..nothing to do with Kilkenny at all. They couldn't even wait a day to give Kilkenny their due credit before they started moaning about big bad Cork. ::)

"Just there's a point where enoughs enough, while they physically may be able to continue on, they just get to the point where they loose the stomach for it"

Reillers there's what you said on the Henry thread. We were all making similar points as to where the Cork players were at when the strike started. Even though we didn't like what they were doing we were making a judgement on what was left in the tank. And it wasn't very much as was proved finally on Sunday. And the strike probably drained a little more of what was left.
You've expressed different criticism all year regarding team selection and how the teams have played. You can't have it all your own way.

As for not giving Kilkenny credit, sure we all know what Kilkenny are capable of. Whether they win the final or not I think we will all still bow to them.

Quote from: dowling on August 11, 2010, 01:36:46 AM
"Just there's a point where enoughs enough, while they physically may be able to continue on, they just get to the point where they loose the stomach for it"

Reillers there's what you said on the Henry thread. We were all making similar points as to where the Cork players were at when the strike started. Even though we didn't like what they were doing we were making a judgement on what was left in the tank. And it wasn't very much as was proved finally on Sunday. And the strike probably drained a little more of what was left.
You've expressed different criticism all year regarding team selection and how the teams have played. You can't have it all your own way.

As for not giving Kilkenny credit, sure we all know what Kilkenny are capable of. Whether they win the final or not I think we will all still bow to them.

When will it end with your lot. Can you not keep the obsessive talk of the strike to the never ending strike topic..still waiting for the Limerick one to appear and your rants about them..but no luck so far.
Only a player themself knows when their time is up, when they've lost the appetite for the game and I can guarantee you that the Cork players did not.

Losing your appetite and being able to do what you used to aren't the same thing. And it's not a player's call to decide when they aren't at where they used to be even though some may know. It's the manager's call. Some of the Cork boys still don't know that though. And I'd say that's been happening throughout the year, that some of the players still have an undue influence on management. And if you were honest you would probably agree with that.

Quote from: dowling on August 11, 2010, 01:58:58 AM
Losing your appetite and being able to do what you used to aren't the same thing. And it's not a player's call to decide when they aren't at where they used to be even though some may know. It's the manager's call. Some of the Cork boys still don't know that though. And I'd say that's been happening throughout the year, that some of the players still have an undue influence on management. And if you were honest you would probably agree with that.

You were the one who implied that they were one of the same. Loosing your appetite for the game is something only the player themselves can judge and act on, Deane, Canning, Corcoran at a time..though that was more burn out than anything. They could have continued on but didn't have the stomach for it.
Loosing a yard of pace and skill is another thing. And if you're not good enough to play than it is down to the manager whether or not to play you.
Again if you want to continue to obsess over the strike and the Cork team go to the strike topic.

Reillers a spectator can tell when someone has lost their appetite, can tell when someone has lost something from their game ( two different aspects ). A player might know either but still might think they're good enough. It's then the manager's call to say , 'have a wee seat on the bench'. It's when that player's friends can't see his demise that problems can start.
And if you think this doesn't relate to the game on Sunday every pundit is saying these players were past their best. All great hurlers but not what they used to be.
One of the things about Gerald is that he seemed to be taking an approach to freshen things up and blood new players but the players who were past their best on Sunday didn't think so.

Quote from: dowling on August 11, 2010, 02:15:34 AM
Reillers a spectator can tell when someone has lost their appetite, can tell when someone has lost something from their game ( two different aspects ). A player might know either but still might think they're good enough. It's then the manager's call to say , 'have a wee seat on the bench'. It's when that player's friends can't see his demise that problems can start.
And if you think this doesn't relate to the game on Sunday every pundit is saying these players were past their best. All great hurlers but not what they used to be.
One of the things about Gerald is that he seemed to be taking an approach to freshen things up and blood new players but the players who were past their best on Sunday didn't think so.

Never played a day in your life have ya..

Leave you for dead anyway.

Quote from: dowling on August 11, 2010, 02:15:34 AM
Reillers a spectator can tell when someone has lost their appetite, can tell when someone has lost something from their game ( two different aspects ). A player might know either but still might think they're good enough. It's then the manager's call to say , 'have a wee seat on the bench'. It's when that player's friends can't see his demise that problems can start.
And if you think this doesn't relate to the game on Sunday every pundit is saying these players were past their best. All great hurlers but not what they used to be.
One of the things about Gerald is that he seemed to be taking an approach to freshen things up and blood new players but the players who were past their best on Sunday didn't think so.

Its been my experience that some players know only too well when their time is up, others however do need that bit of friendly advice from either the manager or people close to them to quit whilst they're ahead.

It'd be a big hole in the life of the likes of an uber dedicated lad like Sean O'g who may have to find something different to do to fill the void as the training and preparation for the games is like a drug to him.

Maybe Walsh now knows Cork will need to go back before they can go forward as the last hurrah just wasn't to be.

Quote from: Reillers on August 11, 2010, 12:10:22 AM

Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2010, 11:33:50 PM

Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
I'd say there isn't a striker who regrets all that happened during that period.

There were no winners.

Don't expect balance here. The witch hunters are guilty of everything they accuse the strikers of. You'd have to wonder about the persistent agenda of a few here.

Kilkenny aren't winning because of a Strike of Cusack's book, it is because they are the best hurling team ever and will win the final even without the best hurler ever, simple as.

They are obsessed. Heffo/Dowling/..etc. if not all of the same, and in their obsession of putting down Cork they refuse to give Kilkenny any credit. Cork this, Cork that..nothing to do with Kilkenny at all. They couldn't even wait a day to give Kilkenny their due credit before they started moaning about big bad Cork. ::)

Up until last Sunday you have consistently claimed KK are not a great team and have succeeded as much as they did due to the strikes in Cork, having a handy Leinster run, being dirty/playing on the edge and any other excuse you can give.

This KK are the greatest hurling team of all time - if you need further clarification please let me know.

Back to the Strikers - was the strike justified Reillers?

Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2010, 11:33:50 PM

Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
I'd say there isn't a striker who regrets all that happened during that period.

There were no winners.

Don't expect balance here. The witch hunters are guilty of everything they accuse the strikers of. You'd have to wonder about the persistent agenda of a few here.

Kilkenny aren't winning because of a Strike of Cusack's book, it is because they are the best hurling team ever and will win the final even without the best hurler ever, simple as.

That's as clear as day and there's no one arguing with that.

Quote from: heffo on August 11, 2010, 09:14:00 AM

Quote from: Reillers on August 11, 2010, 12:10:22 AM

Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2010, 11:33:50 PM

Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
I'd say there isn't a striker who regrets all that happened during that period.

There were no winners.

Don't expect balance here. The witch hunters are guilty of everything they accuse the strikers of. You'd have to wonder about the persistent agenda of a few here.

Kilkenny aren't winning because of a Strike of Cusack's book, it is because they are the best hurling team ever and will win the final even without the best hurler ever, simple as.

They are obsessed. Heffo/Dowling/..etc. if not all of the same, and in their obsession of putting down Cork they refuse to give Kilkenny any credit. Cork this, Cork that..nothing to do with Kilkenny at all. They couldn't even wait a day to give Kilkenny their due credit before they started moaning about big bad Cork. ::)

Up until last Sunday you have consistently claimed KK are not a great team and have succeeded as much as they did due to the strikes in Cork, having a handy Leinster run, being dirty/playing on the edge and any other excuse you can give.

This KK are the greatest hurling team of all time - if you need further clarification please let me know.

Back to the Strikers - was the strike justified Reillers?

Has Gerald stayed out of controversy since?

Quote from: dowling on August 11, 2010, 02:20:19 AM
Leave you for dead anyway.

You just don't get it do you.
If you actually play or knew anyone who did you'd know the difference. Players know, they know when they loose a yard of pace, they know when their time is almost up or is up, and they certainly know if they loose their appetite for the game because it is something only they know, they physically might be able to continue and skill wise they might be able to go on, but if you don't have the stomach for it..it's an entirely different feeling, and a different thing than loosing a bit of your pace/skill or whatever. Players know when they're finished, and they are the only ones who know if they have the stomach for it, it's an incredibly personal thing, it's when in the pit of their stomach they know they don't have the fight left in them, that they, in reality know that they are done. A player may know that they're past their best but may want to continue because they still have that fight left in them. It's two very different things.

And in my experience 99% of players know when their time is up. You thinking that a supporter like yourself knows before a player.. ::) like I said, probably never played a day in your life.

Quote from: Reillers on August 11, 2010, 12:36:57 PM

Quote from: dowling on August 11, 2010, 02:20:19 AM
Leave you for dead anyway.

You just don't get it do you.
If you actually play or knew anyone who did you'd know the difference. Players know, they know when they loose a yard of pace, they know when their time is almost up or is up, and they certainly know if they loose their appetite for the game because it is something only they know, they physically might be able to continue and skill wise they might be able to go on, but if you don't have the stomach for it..it's an entirely different feeling, and a different thing than loosing a bit of your pace/skill or whatever. Players know when they're finished, and they are the only ones who know if they have the stomach for it, it's an incredibly personal thing, it's when in the pit of their stomach they know they don't have the fight left in them, that they, in reality know that they are done. A player may know that they're past their best but may want to continue because they still have that fight left in them. It's two very different things.

And in my experience 99% of players know when they're time is up. You thinking that a supporter like yourself knows before a player.. ::) like I said, probably never played a day in your life.

I agree with your point in a general sense, but sometimes other things cloud a players judgement of when to call it a day.

For every Ollie Canning or JBM who got out at the right time, there is a Martin Storey or many other players who stayed too long and perhaps diminished their reputation.

Of course you're not wrong in what you say Heffo. Not only do some players call time because they're aware of creeping limitations but others also call time too early. On a personal level they may not be what they were but still be able to contribute something to the team. At the end of the day that ultimate decision has to rest with the manager.
Take Sean Kavanagh. Last year he said he was fine. Mickey Harte thought otherwise. That's not to say managers always get it right and I've seen occasions when managers brought people back for a particular match because they thought they could do a job against a certain player or team only to find their faith misplaced. So nothing is black and white. But for players still playing it has to be the manager to decide where they're at regardless of the player thinks.
As for the Cork team Reillers and as I've already pointed out, most of us on here knew the Cork players were past their best, doesn't mean they're not still great players but they're not the players they were. Regardless of whether we're all players, spectators or both we could see that two years ago. Welcome aboard.
There must have been delusion for those boys to think a change of manager would bring improvement, or else there was duplicity. Or maybe both. But after the match in interviews they were saying they travelled up with confidence. I'd say they were the only ones in Ireland. And let's not kid ourselves Kilkenny let them off light!

Who will win between Tipp and Waherford ? With Henry out the situation for the final looks slightly less dire.
Can we have a repeat of the 1982 football final? That would be ideal.   

Any team news from either camp?

I think Waterford will really put it up to Tipp. Waterford's strength is probably the half back line, and I think that's Tipp's weakest line (half forward).

If Waterford can get scores out of more than just Eoin Kelly's frees, I think they will win. A scoreline of 2-14, 3-14 I think will win it for the Deise.

Waterford almost 4/1  Tipp 4/11with the Handicap betting at 5 points.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2010, 12:31:28 PM
I think Waterford will really put it up to Tipp. Waterford's strength is probably the half back line, and I think that's Tipp's weakest line (half forward).

If Waterford can get scores out of more than just Eoin Kelly's frees, I think they will win. A scoreline of 2-14, 3-14 I think will win it for the Deise.

I can see this being a low scoring game if Waterford revert to type and play very deep leaving just two forwards remotely within scoring range. I always thought it's a big ask of Mullane to plough alone against two defenders as he did for large parts of the two Cork games and you can see the frustration building in him.

As much as I'd like to see Waterford do it and get to the final I think Tipp may have more firepower but mightn'd like the tight confines the Waterford defence will put them in.

1-12 to 0-13 to Tipp.

Waterford are 4/1? That's a great outsider bet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtvqzmsS6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtvqzmsS6k)

Sums up the spirit on this thread.  :D

Unbelievable odds to to be had on Waterford.
We're the Munster champions having beaten the team who beat Tipp by 10 points.

Get yer money on!

I fancy Waterford for this too.

I think if Tipp won it'd make for a better final but I fancy Waterford all the same

I expect Tipp to win this by 3 or 4 points. The Tipp/Cork game has no relevance here, Tipp weren't at the races that day for some reason and I haven't been impressed by anything Waterford have done this year. They will play defensively and will be hard to beat but they have little enough going forward and I don't see them getting the scores to win it. It should be a close game and probably not the best spectacle but I feel Tipp will be ahead most of the game and will pull away in the last 5-10 min to win by a few points.

Expect a tight low scoring game, Waterford will draw bodies back to keep the score down & Tipp will ensure they reduce the goal opportunities they offered the last day. Both teams will have to significantly improve on their recent outings if they're (a) to win the match and (b) to have any chance against Kilkenny in the final. The winners will need a head of steam behind them when they take to the pitch on the first Sunday in September. Hard to know who that team will be but I think Tipp have more room for improvement in them. Waterford have huffed and puffed against Clare and a Cork team coming back down from their early peak against Tipp whereas Tipp have addressed some of the issues raised in that game and have been steadily improving since.

Anyways, hope it's a decent game, an early Tipp goal or two would encourage Waterford to come out of their defensive shell and could really open the game up. Hope to head to this if I can get some decent tickets, only got the very ends of the Hogan on sale at the moment. Has anyone picked up some central Hogan/Cusack tickets from them ticket vans/shops around Croker on the day of a match before???

Against all expectations Waterford have improved this year but I still take Tipp to win by 3.

WATERFORD team for tomorrow -- C Hennessy; E Murphy, L Lawlor, N Connors; T Browne, M Walsh, D Prendergast; S O'Sullivan, R Foley; K Moran, S Molumphy (Capt), E Kelly; J Mullane, S Walsh, S Prendergast. Does anyone know the tipp team?

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on August 14, 2010, 10:14:40 AM
WATERFORD team for tomorrow -- C Hennessy; E Murphy, L Lawlor, N Connors; T Browne, M Walsh, D Prendergast; S O'Sullivan, R Foley; K Moran, S Molumphy (Capt), E Kelly; J Mullane, S Walsh, S Prendergast. Does anyone know the tipp team?

Same as Galway match bar John O'Brien in for David Young.

Tipperary (SH v Waterford): B Cummins; P Stapleton, P Curran, M Cahill; D Fanning, C O'Mahony, P Maher; B Maher, S McGrath; G Ryan, P Maher, J O'Brien; N McGrath, L Corbett, E Kelly.

Live scores on
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Kilkenny are through to the GAA Hurling All-Ireland Senior Championship Final for the 11th time in 13 seasons as they pursue the historic five-in-a-row but have been rocked by the loss of star forward Henry Shefflin. They will know their opponents on Sunday evening after the meeting of Waterford & Tipperary.

Team News
Waterford keep the same team that defeated Cork in the Munster final

Waterford (Senior Hurling v Tipperary) -
C Hennessy; E Murphy, L Lawlor, N Connors; T Browne, M Walsh, D Prendergast; S O'Sullivan, R Foley; K Moran, S Molumphy (Capt), E Kelly; J Mullane, S Walsh, S Prendergast.

Only one change to the Tipperary team with John O'Brien comes into the team in place of David Young with Shane McGrath moving to midfield replacing Young

Tipperary (Senior Hurling Championship v Waterford) – Brendan Cummins (Ballybacon-Grange), Paddy Stapleton (Borris-Ileigh), Paul Curran (Mullinahone), Michael Cahill (Thurles Sarsfields), Declan Fanning (Killenaule), Conor O'Mahony (Newport), Padraic Maher (Thurles Sarsfields), Brendan Maher (Borris-Ileigh), Shane McGrath (Ballinahinch), Gearóid Ryan (Templederry Kenyons), Patrick Maher (Lorrha & Dorrha), John O'Brien (Toomevara), Noel McGrath (Loughmore Castleiney), Eoin Kelly (Mullinahone), Lar Corbett (Thurles Sarsfields).

Preview
Tipperary are bidding to set up a re-run of last year's final where they lost to Kilkenny while Waterford are trying to set-up a re-run of the 2008 final when they too lost to Kilkenny.
Waterford go into the game as Munster champions, having beaten Clare and Cork (in a replay) while Tipperary lost to Cork in the Munster quarter-final but revived their All-Ireland ambitions with qualifier wins over Wexford and Offaly before turning in an excellent performance when beating Galway by a point in the All-Ireland quarter-final.
Tipperary and Waterford last clashed in the championship in the 2009 Munster final which Tipperary won by 4-14 to 2-16 but, a year earlier, Waterford had two points to spare (1-20 to 1-18) over Tipperary in the All-Ireland semi-final.Tipperary are bidding to win the All-Ireland title for the first time since 2001 while Waterford's last success was in 1959 when they beat Kilkenny in a replay.

Paths to the semi-final
Tipperary
Cork 3-15 Tipperary 0-14 (Munster quarter-final)
Tipperary 3-24 Wexford 0-19 (Qualifier Round 1)
Tipperary 0-21 Offaly 1-12 (Qualifier Round 3)
Tipperary 3-17 Galway 3-16 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
Average For: 2-18 Average Against: 2-15
Tipperary scorers
Eoin Kelly....................1-33 (0-22 frees, 0-5 '65s')
Lar Corbett.................2-10
Ger Ryan.....................1-9
Seamus Callanan.........1-2
Brendan Maher...........0-5
Noel McGrath..............0-5 (0-1 free)
John O'Brien...............0-3
Darragh Egan..............1-0
David Young...............0-3
Patrick Maher............0-3
Shane McGrath..........0-1
Timmy Hammersley..0-1
Conor O'Mahony......0-1
Waterford
Waterford 0-22 Clare 1-15 (Munster semi-final)
Waterford 2-15 Cork 2-15 (Munster final)
Waterford 1-16 Cork 1-13 (Munster final replay)
Average For: 1-18; Average Against: 1-16
Waterford scorers
Eoin Kelly.......................... 1-22 (0-16 frees, 0-1'65')
John Mullane......................0-10
Tony Browne......................1-1 (0-1 free)
Kevin Moran.......................0-4
Stephen Molumphy...........0-3
Declan Prendergast............0-3
Dan Shanahan....................1-0
Maurice Shanahan.............0-2
Seamus Prendergast..........0-2
Shane O'Sullivan...............0-2 (0-1 sideline)
Richie Foley.......................0-1
Shane Walsh......................0-1
Brian O'Halloran..............0-1
Ken McGrath.....................0-1

Last Ten Championship Meetings
2009 – Tipperary 4-14 Waterford 0-16
2008 – Waterford 1-20 Tipperary 1-18
2006 – Waterford 1-22 Tipperary 3-13
2006 – Tipperary 3-14 Waterford 1-12
2004 – Waterford 4-10 Tipperary 3-12
2002 – Waterford 2-23 Tipperary 3-12
2000 – Tipperary 0-17 Waterford 0-14
1998 – Waterford 0-21 Tipperary 2-12
1996 – Tipperary 1-14 Waterford 1-11
1995 – Tipperary 4-23 Waterford 1-11
Tipperary 5 Waterford 5

Last championship meeting
Tipperary 4-14 Waterford 2-16 (2009 Munster final)
Waterford led by 1-2 to 0-1 after six minutes before Tipperary scored six
unanswered points. A John Mullane goal put Waterford back in front but goals
by Seamus Callanan, Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett set Tipperary on their way to
a 3-10 to 2-4 half-time lead.
A second goal by Corbett in the 41st minute helped Tipperary into a 4-14 to 2-
10 lead after 61 minutes before a late Waterford rally yielded six points.

Tipperary: Brendan Cummins; Paddy Stapleton, Paul Curran, Conor O'Brien;
Declan Fanning, Conor O'Mahony (0-1), Pádraic Maher; James Woodlock,
Shane McGrath (0-1); Pat Kerwick (0-1), Seamus Callanan (1-1), John O'Brien
(0-1); Noel McGrath (0-3), Eoin Kelly (1-3), Lar Corbett (2-2).
Subs: Brendan Maher for Curran, Willie Ryan for Kelly, Benny Dunne (0-1) for
Woodlock, Hugh Maloney for Kerwick, Micheal Webster for O'Brien.
Waterford: Clinton Hennessy; Eoin Murphy, Declan Prendergast, Noel
Connors; Tony Browne, Michael Walsh, Aidan Kearney; Kevin Moran, Shane
O'Sullivan; James Nagle, Seamus Prendergast, Jack Kennedy; John Mullane
(1-5), Stephen Molumphy (0-2), Eoin Kelly (1-7).
Subs: Dan Shanahan (0-1) for Kennedy, Eoin McGrath for Nagle, Richie Foley
(0-1) for Moran; Maurice Shanahan for Seamus Prendergast.
Last Competitive Clash
Tipperary 1-19 Waterford 2-16 (NHL, 28 March 2010), Thurles
Eoin Kelly pointed a late free to earn a draw after the sides had been level on
ten occasions. Tipperary led by 1-17 to 1-12 after 48 minutes before Waterford
battled back to earn a share of the spoils.
Tipperary: B Cummins; P Curran, P Stapleton, D Fanning; C O'Mahony, S
Maher, B Maher (0-2); S McGrath, G Ryan (0-2); L Corbett (0-4), N McGrath
(1-1), T Hammersley 0-6 (4f, 1'65), J O'Brien (0-1), P Kelly (0-2).
Subs: S Hennessy (0-1) for McGrath; M Webster for Kelly.
Waterford: C Hennessy; E Murphy, M O'Brien, N Connors; A Kearney, J Nagle
(0-1), S Fives; E Kelly (1-7, all frees), R Foley; S Prendergast (0-1), K Moran, S
O'Sullivan (0-3); S Molumphy (1-1), D Shanahan (0-2), T Ryan.
Subs: M Shanahan for Kearney; J Mullane (0-1) for Moran (ht), B Phelan for
Ryan.

Last five All-Ireland semi-final appearances
Tipperary
2009: Tipperary 6-19 Limerick 2-7
2008: Waterford 1-20 Tipperary 1-18
2003: Kilkenny 3-18 Tipperary 0-15
2002: Kilkenny 1-20 Tipperary 1-16
2001: Tipperary 3-12 Wexford 0-10 (replay)
Waterford
2009: Kilkenny 2-23 Waterford 3-15
2008: Waterford 1-20 Tipperary 1-18
2007: Limerick 5-11 Waterford 2-15
2006: Cork 1-16 Waterford 1-15
2004: Kilkenny 3-12 Waterford 0-18

All-Ireland Semi-final Records
Tipperary will be appearing in their 31thth All-Ireland semi-final on Sunday.
They won 23, lost six and drew one of their previous 30 appearances.
Waterford have played ten semi-finals, winning four and losing six.
Tipperary wins: 23 (1887-96-98-1900-06-08-09-13-16-22-25-30-45-49-50-58-
71-88-89-91-97-2001-2009)
Tipperary defeats: 6 (1924-1987-1993-2002-2003-2008)
Tipperary draws: 1 (2001 v Wexford)
Waterford wins: 4 (1938-48-57-2008)
Waterford defeats: 6 (1998-2002-2004-2006-2007-2009)

Good man Martin Morrissey, way to miss use the word Ironic.

Big day for that young lad. Late change for Waterford. Has Davy sprung an ace out of the pack?

not good to see croke park so empty for a semi final.  Are the tickets too dear or is it that inevitable that the cats will win it so nobody cares

Quote from: andoireabu on August 15, 2010, 03:34:08 PM
not good to see croke park so empty for a semi final.  Are the tickets too dear or is it that inevitable that the cats will win it so nobody cares

Think I heard tickers where €45, but for a Semi thats no too expensive to be honest even in a recession. Earlier rounds should have been cheaper to be honest.

End-to-end stuff so far, 7 mins 3pts each.

Jazus the Waterford backs where badly exposed there. The Tipp backs however are tightening the screw.

Tipp 1.07 Waterford 0.05

Waterford struggling to get past the Tipp half-back line.

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Waterford 0-08 1-11 Tipperary – All Hurling Semi-Final – Sunday 15th August 3:30pm
Half Time
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35+1min (T) Point Lar Corbett
34min (T) Point Eoin Kelly
33min (T) Point Noel McGrath
30min (W) Point Eoin Kelly
27min (W) Point Shane Prendergast
26min (T) Point John O'Brien
25min (W) Point Eoin Kelly
22min (T) Goal Lar Corbett
20min (T) Point John O'Brien
19min (T) Point Shane McGrath
16min (W) Point John Mullane
13min (W) Point K Moran
12min (T) Point Noel McGrath
7min (W) Point John Mullane
5min (T) Point Noel McGrath
5min (W) Point Eoin Kelly
4min (T) Point John O'Brien
3min (T) Point Noel McGrath
1min (W) Point Riche Foley
Game underway

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Marty Morrisey is going to have a nervous breakdown over the short puck-out. Every team should do it now just to wind him up.

Quote from: muppet on August 15, 2010, 04:24:52 PM
Marty Morrisey is going to have a nervous breakdown over the short puck-out. Every team should do it now just to wind him up.

:D

There he goes again.

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 15, 2010, 04:31:50 PM

Quote from: muppet on August 15, 2010, 04:24:52 PM
Marty Morrisey is going to have a nervous breakdown over the short puck-out. Every team should do it now just to wind him up.

:D

There he goes again.

aris  :D

Quote from: hardstation on August 15, 2010, 04:40:25 PM
Game over.

Good Night Eileen

How did Davy expect to win that game ?

It was never going to happen. He along with the Waterford forwards made the Tipp half back line look like Gods.

How many times did you see the ball being cleared out of the Waterford defence hit straight to one of the Tipp half back line who caught the ball unchallenged and who git it straight back into the Tipp forwards again.

Davy took off 5 of his 6 starting forwards.

Felt sorry for the Waterford defence who just never got a breather.

Well that was some land. In our previous semi-final defeats (Kilkenny last year excepted) you felt we'd lost a 50:50 game or at worst 60:40. If we played them again the following day you'd give us a chance. Not this time. Tipperary's half back line utterly cleaned us out, and seeing Eoin Kelly being substituted was depressing. God knows what Kilkenny would have done to us. Some serious soul-searching required

Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2010, 09:32:06 PM
How did Davy expect to win that game ?

It was never going to happen. He along with the Waterford forwards made the Tipp half back line look like Gods.

How many times did you see the ball being cleared out of the Waterford defence hit straight to one of the Tipp half back line who caught the ball unchallenged and who git it straight back into the Tipp forwards again.

Davy took off 5 of his 6 starting forwards.

Felt sorry for the Waterford defence who just never got a breather.

Its a tactic I personally don't like as it allows the opposition to defend easily and pick out their forwards at will which Tipp proved to be much better at than Cork.

How many times yesterday did you see two, maybe three Tipp defenders free to work the ball upfield before putting it in behind Brick Walsh and the other half backs? The same thing was happening against Cork.

I felt Davy got it wrong against Cork by employing the same tactics and kept Cork in the game longer than they should have been. He maybe thought those tactics were the reason they won but realistically they weren't. If Cork had of had one or two better forwards they'd have won with the amount of ball being pumped into the forwards. Tipp have better forwards and made hay yesterday.
Lawlor needs to learn that stopping a forward catching the ball in front of goals is a dark art to be learned and if he watches Hickey in the AI final he'll see how its done. The Rock when first moved into fullback for Cork caught the odd ball but so did his opponents to costly effect. It wasn't purely random that he was coached to stop the attacker catching by batting or the odd tug here and there and allowing the ball to run on into Donal O'G.

Tipp are coming good at the right time and won't fear Kilkenny but Sheedy will need to come up with another tactic as his defence won't be allowed to waltz up the field too far before being hit by a challenge ensuring that the Tipp attack will need to battle harder for dirty ball. I wonder will he start Eoin Kelly on Hickey and hope that his wile and craft can get him the odd goal opportunity??

Quote from: deiseach on August 16, 2010, 09:21:48 AM
Well that was some land. In our previous semi-final defeats (Kilkenny last year excepted) you felt we'd lost a 50:50 game or at worst 60:40. If we played them again the following day you'd give us a chance. Not this time. Tipperary's half back line utterly cleaned us out, and seeing Eoin Kelly being substituted was depressing. God knows what Kilkenny would have done to us. Some serious soul-searching required

I have the feeling that Waterford have the same relationship to the cats as Roscommon had to Kerry during the 4 in a row years at the end of the 70s.
A very good  team that just had the hard luck to come up against one of the greatest. In another time they probably would have won an all-Ireland.  They brought immense pride to their county and will be remembered for a very long time but unfortunately not as all-Ireland winners.   

Waterford managed to score 1-18 in a game for the most part with mullane up front on his own, this has to worry tipp cause against kilkenny there will be 6 top class forwards in attack, and the tipp defence won't be able to double or triple up on them as they did all day yesterday against mullane. I honestly cant see tipp winning the final. On another note id like to ask deise supporters if they preferred going into games playing open free flowing hurling and when they lose it generally been down to not taking their chances it wasn't unheard of them to run up massive scores and still have 15 or 16 wides, or going into games as they do now playing very tight and defensive and losing without even creating those chances. Waterford were my favorite team to watch when they played that expansive game, but this current system they play ruins games from a spectators point.

Quote from: lilpaulie85 on August 16, 2010, 11:33:10 AM
On another note id like to ask deise supporters if they preferred going into games playing open free flowing hurling and when they lose it generally been down to not taking their chances it wasn't unheard of them to run up massive scores and still have 15 or 16 wides, or going into games as they do now playing very tight and defensive and losing without even creating those chances. Waterford were my favorite team to watch when they played that expansive game, but this current system they play ruins games from a spectators point.

I'd like what works. We tried the freewheeling style, ultimately it didn't work. We tried the rigid, structured style, ultimately it didn't work. I'm worried we're going to try the not-competitive style of the 1980's next

Am now absolutely convinced Tipp will take KK in the final.

Tipp imo are on a upward trajectory while KK haven't been tested in 2010. The end comes suddenly and abruptly to all great teams and I think Kk's end is near. KK's injuries are too severe also.

Shock on cards.

Foolhardy approach to the match by Waterford yesterday. Couldn't believe my ears when I heard they were throwing in a 19 year old for his debut just before throw in. Especially since the exact same scenario had backfired for Cork the week before. Fair enough pick lads based on how they are showing in training but there's a hell of a difference between going well in training in an empty Walsh Park and then reproducing that form in front of 45k in Croke Park on your debut. Really felt for the young lad when they took him off after not feeding him any decent ball. Second, the short puck outs. Jaysus, if Marty can spot it then it must be glaringly obvious, no excuse Davy.

All that said, Tipp were by far the better team so it's a worry they never really outpointed Waterford, plus if Eoin Kelly was on form it would have been a hell of a lot closer. Even if KK are missing Shefflin, Walsh and Tennesson I still fancy them to win. If they can limit Lar, Eoin Kelly, Noel and Shane McGrath to 13 points or less they will win, John O'Brien won't play as well again and their other scoring options are limited. The 5 in a row is still on track.

In post match interviews Davy seened to bemoan that players weren't doing what they had been told to do. So did Davy get everything tactically wrong or were the players running things their way, at odds to the manager's?

I knew Eoin Kelly was pissed off at being taken off but this is stretching it a bit :




Former All-Star Eoin Kelly is considering his inter-county future after his four-year-old son was verbally abused by his Deise supporters outside the Jury's Croke Park Hotel. The child was abused about his father's performance during Waterford's disappointing loss to Tipperary in Sundays All-Ireland Hurling Semi-Final.
"He's still very upset," Kelly said.

"You'd have to ask yourself whether it's worth carrying on playing for Waterford, if this is the kind of thing you have to deal with."

Quote from: orangeman on August 17, 2010, 04:30:26 PM
I knew Eoin Kelly was pissed off at being taken off but this is stretching it a bit :




Former All-Star Eoin Kelly is considering his inter-county future after his four-year-old son was verbally abused by his Deise supporters outside the Jury's Croke Park Hotel. The child was abused about his father's performance during Waterford's disappointing loss to Tipperary in Sundays All-Ireland Hurling Semi-Final.
"He's still very upset," Kelly said.

"You'd have to ask yourself whether it's worth carrying on playing for Waterford, if this is the kind of thing you have to deal with."

believable?  How would you wind up a 4 year old exactly?

Quote from: Bogball XV on August 17, 2010, 04:44:35 PM
believable?  How would you wind up a 4 year old exactly?

Well I heard he spat the dummy out after his manager mammy changed him  :)

Quote from: orangeman on August 17, 2010, 04:30:26 PM
I knew Eoin Kelly was pissed off at being taken off but this is stretching it a bit :




Former All-Star Eoin Kelly is considering his inter-county future after his four-year-old son was verbally abused by his Deise supporters outside the Jury's Croke Park Hotel. The child was abused about his father's performance during Waterford's disappointing loss to Tipperary in Sundays All-Ireland Hurling Semi-Final.
"He's still very upset," Kelly said.

"You'd have to ask yourself whether it's worth carrying on playing for Waterford, if this is the kind of thing you have to deal with."

What is wrong with you?  Almost 14,000 posts out of you and very little of them make any sense!

I'd be surprised if a crowd of people abused a four year old. Kelly has proven in the past he's a long way shy of sainthood himself. He was absolutely abysmal on Sunday. Was sitting on the Hogan 45 and saw him running out to get on the ball for possibly the first time in the match and thought a point might get him into the game a bit and he missed the thing altogether. Davy should have hauled him off a lot earlier, he was absolutely cleaned out.

Believed prior to news of Walsh's injury that KK would beat whoever won the second semi-final even without Shefflin, but Walsh is nigh on irreplaceable. Still, KK won't give the Tipp forwards the freedom they got on Sunday. Noel McGrath won't score five from play and John O'Brien certainly won't score six. Other than the goals (admittedly important, I know) Eoin Kelly's (Tipp) contribution to the game was generally poor and Tipp fans must be worried about his back. I've never seen him so bad on the frees before. Hickey will be a lot more solid in full back than Lawlor - there's no way he'd have allowed Corbett's (more and more the key man on this Tipp team as he has developed into a consistently outstanding performer over the last few years) goal. Additionally, KK's midfield will put it up a lot more that O'Sullivan and Foley, and there's no chance of Padraig Maher hurling as much ball as he did against Waterford.

Should be a great final, could well be even better than last year's.

only a day away, really looking forward to this one hopefully it will be a classic, best of luck to both teams, throw it in to f**k.