I see the IFA have indicated that a dual anthem might be on the way for Windsor Park ... Bout time methinks as Mrs Windsor couldn't give a proverbial about OWC ..
'Mrs Windsor couldn't give a proverbial about OWC'
So she HAS something in common with northern nationalists ;)
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on March 10, 2010, 10:47:55 PM
I see the IFA have indicated that a dual anthem might be on the way for Windsor Park ... Bout time methinks as Mrs Windsor couldn't give a proverbial about OWC ..
Ireland's Dail?
Quote from: red hander on March 10, 2010, 10:58:10 PM
'Mrs Windsor couldn't give a proverbial about OWC'
So she HAS something in common with northern nationalists ;)
Look, forget about the 'No Surrender' during the 'Queen' .. the red, white and blue scarves and banners, the constant chanting of "ULSTER" ... the flying of the Union Flag over the ground as well as the flag of the defunct Northern Ireland State .. the Our Wee Country ethos .. the hatred, the tattoos, the Village, 'WINDSOR PARK' .. Linfield's home ground! .. etc etc , .. I think that they are a great wee team!
Jim Allister on Twitter
IFA very foolish to plunge football into divisive political controversy by contemplating abandonment of National Anthem.
:D :D :D
Quote from: ziggysego on March 11, 2010, 01:19:55 AM
Jim Allister on Twitter
IFA very foolish to plunge football into divisive political controversy by contemplating abandonment of National Anthem.
:D :D :D
Jim Allister would be perfectly placed to comment on divisive politics.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 11, 2010, 01:19:55 AM
Jim Allister on Twitter
IFA very foolish to plunge football into divisive political controversy by contemplating abandonment of National Anthem.
:D :D :D
You follow him on twitter?
Quote from: thebigfella on March 11, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 11, 2010, 01:19:55 AM
Jim Allister on Twitter
IFA very foolish to plunge football into divisive political controversy by contemplating abandonment of National Anthem.
:D :D :D
You follow him on twitter?
No. I was just reading his comments last night and Willie F's. Some craic them two.
Fair enough but I do hope God does save the Queen...
Quote from: thebigfella on March 11, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 11, 2010, 01:19:55 AM
Jim Allister on Twitter
IFA very foolish to plunge football into divisive political controversy by contemplating abandonment of National Anthem.
:D :D :D
You follow him on twitter?
Following someone on Twitter does not mean pledging allegiance. I follow Dawn Purvis. Great craic.
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 11, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 11, 2010, 01:19:55 AM
Jim Allister on Twitter
IFA very foolish to plunge football into divisive political controversy by contemplating abandonment of National Anthem.
:D :D :D
You follow him on twitter?
Following someone on Twitter does not mean pledging allegiance. I follow Dawn Purvis. Great craic.
I follow Dawn Purvis too
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 11, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 11, 2010, 01:19:55 AM
Jim Allister on Twitter
IFA very foolish to plunge football into divisive political controversy by contemplating abandonment of National Anthem.
:D :D :D
You follow him on twitter?
Following someone on Twitter does not mean pledging allegiance. I follow Dawn Purvis. Great craic.
Fcuk me and here is me thinking if I follow them it's automatically a vote for them in next election ::)
I can imagine Allisters tweets being absolutely hillarious like something from another planet
Jim's (http://twitter.com/jimallister)
Willie's (http://twitter.com/williefrazer)
Quote from: red hander on March 10, 2010, 10:58:10 PM
'Mrs Windsor couldn't give a proverbial about OWC'
So she HAS something in common with northern nationalists ;)
Is right. Not sure why the IFA think this would be relevant. I couldn't give a toss what they play and i wouldnt want them to change it on nationalism's account. People are entitled to their beliefs.
Quote from: GetOffThePitch on March 11, 2010, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: red hander on March 10, 2010, 10:58:10 PM
'Mrs Windsor couldn't give a proverbial about OWC'
So she HAS something in common with northern nationalists ;)
Is right. Not sure why the IFA think this would be relevant. I couldn't give a toss what they play and i wouldnt want them to change it on nationalism's account. People are entitled to their beliefs.
I'd be in agreement with you there. I wouldn't suddenly start supporting them if they stopped with GSTQ.
On the contrary removing the english national anthem would be a small step in reducing nationalist alienation from this team and the IFA, and would reduce its current status as a loyalist icon. If this was followed by a move away from the loyalist village area and transforming the atmosphere to wholly apolitical (ie banning other unionist symbols and emblems etc)
I for one would concede that the IFA is making genuine efforts to promote soccer on a cross community basis, and if I have occasion to watch this team play, I might even feel a part of it all and it was at least aspiring to represent me.
But if they remove GSTQ, the flag is still there. SHould that go too? How far do you actually go to 'represent' nationalism before realising an all-ireland team? Personally speaking, I'm more than content with the current setup-i know we've moved on a lot but NOvember 1993 will never leave me in terms of having even a passing affection for Windsor Park
And by the same token- I wouldn't ask for unionist emblems/flags to be removed. We live in an engineered unionist statelet. This is being eroded by democratic means but I still repect that people need their symbols and cultures- the football team is just one of them
Supporting the six county team is accepting the English occupation of north east Ireland.
An all-ireland team is the only answer.
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Supporting the six county team is accepting the English occupation of north east Ireland.
An all-ireland team is the only answer.
Correct.
And then pick only southerners.
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Supporting the six county team is accepting the English occupation of north east Ireland.
An all-ireland team is the only answer.
Orior... I like where you're coming from ;)
Quote from: muppet on March 11, 2010, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Supporting the six county team is accepting the English occupation of north east Ireland.
An all-ireland team is the only answer.
Correct.
And then pick only southerners.
Ah what have you got against Shay Given?
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 11, 2010, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Supporting the six county team is accepting the English occupation of north east Ireland.
An all-ireland team is the only answer.
Correct.
And then pick only southerners.
Ah what have you got against Shay Given?
He wears a Mankini.
Doesn't matter what they sing or fly or wear. I could never bring myself to support them, it shouldn't even be a real international team!
Let them alone, they are a "protestant" team for a Protestant people for a Protestant "nation"
Spot on Orior. i think the only time I ever supported England was when they played the north. That didn't turn out as planned as we know.
Like it or not, we are stuck in this gerrymandered cesspit and are likely to remain so for some time yet. We now have a form of shared government and an increasing share of everything else, so if the IFA is genuinely interested in promoting soccer here in an equitable manner then it simply must either completely divest its premier events (ie international soccer games) of all their current partisan political trappings, or alternatively have the political trappings of both traditions on display.
Like most people I can see absolutley no sporting reason or logic of having two internationa football teams or indeed two football associations on this island, one team would unite football supporters ina common purpose, reduce tensions and divisions, and help the best players from whatever part of Ireland they come from to develop by playing alongside the best available, as is the case in Rugby Union. But on the supposition that the dissident IFA is not going to aquiesce anytime soon in this regard, then they must ensure a neutral environment in every way, at their premier events
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Supporting the six county team is accepting the English occupation of north east Ireland.
An all-ireland team is the only answer.
By the same token, supporting the South is accepting the English occupation.
I never understood why N.Ireland payed GSTQ - when Scotland and Wales don't.
I actually would support N.Ireland, i've even been to windsor park on a few ocassions - and i have to say didn't feel intimated and it was all very enjoyable.
Okay they play GSTQ and there is a few unionist symbols about - but nowhere near as strong as it used to be.
Sport and politics should be seperate, so if anyone likes Soccer I see no reason why they should't support their own Area.
The only point i decided i couldn't support them was when they decided you couldn't paly for N.Ireland with an irish passport - which is no longer an issue!
Politics and sport shouldn't mix. But they unavoidably mix. I believe that anyone who is opposed to the existance of the 6 county plastic state and simultaneously supports it's soccer team is being totally hypocritical.
If they had a tennis team, would you refuse to recognise the court?
I too have enjoyed many football games at Windsor Park, not least the George Best show in 1967, but I have never ever felt that this was "my team" and have sat in the company of non catholic/non nationalist friends who have visibly cringed at the chants etc.
I take offence at the ludicrous 6 year "Football for All" Campaign run by the IFA, as its actions or inactions have not indicated any genuine attempt to promote football for all. This offence is compunded even further when its apologists laughingly suggest that other sporting organisations (ie the GAA) "could learn from the success of our campaign"
At the end of the day, if the IFA continues to pander to unionists, then I would have more respect for it if they openly admitted that this was their raison d'etre and the reason why the will not countenance an All Ireland side.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 11:42:28 AM
I take offence at the ludicrous 6 year "Football for All" Campaign run by the IFA, as its actions or inactions have not indicated any genuine attempt to promote football for all. This offence is compunded even further when its apologists laughingly suggest that other sporting organisations (ie the GAA) "could learn from the success of our campaign"
Are you equally offended at , say , NI's "athletics for all" (my words) at the Commonwealth Games ? (or is it just the football?)
I take no offence at a noun preceding the words "for all" except the noun "Football" in a North of Ireland context. I believe this is a term plagiarised and misused by the IFA to give a false impression that they
1) Understand what it means
2) Make a genuine effort to put it into practice
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2010, 11:36:18 AM
Politics and sport shouldn't mix. But they unavoidably mix. I believe that anyone who is opposed to the existance of the 6 county plastic state and simultaneously supports it's soccer team is being totally hypocritical.
And by extension and implication, the same must surely apply to supporters of the free state soccer team.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
And by extension and implication, the same must surely apply to supporters of the free state soccer team.
Even if they are picking players from all 32 counties?
So which international soccer team should nationalist supporters in the six counties support, given the twisted logic that support for either "endorses" British rule in the North?
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
So which international soccer team should nationalist supporters in the six counties support, given the twisted logic that support for either "endorses" British rule in the North?
Scotland?
Quote from: Ulick on March 12, 2010, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
And by extension and implication, the same must surely apply to supporters of the free state soccer team.
Even if they are picking players from all 32 counties?
Yip.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
So which international soccer team should nationalist supporters in the six counties support, given the twisted logic that support for either "endorses" British rule in the North?
Neither.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Ulick on March 12, 2010, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
And by extension and implication, the same must surely apply to supporters of the free state soccer team.
Even if they are picking players from all 32 counties?
Yip.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
So which international soccer team should nationalist supporters in the six counties support, given the twisted logic that support for either "endorses" British rule in the North?
Neither.
Or both equally?
I think I can safely say that my decades of support (including 20 years as a block booker) of the FAI side has absolutely no endorsement implications on my part, or even hint of same, for British Rule in any part of Ireland. You might as well say that people who elect those who sit in a partitionist parliament in the Dail , support British Rule (hold on, the majority probably do!).
Quite simply, the fact that there is a split in Irish soccer (forced and maintained by the Belfast based IFA) is beyond the FAI's wishes and control, they aspire to represent everyone on the island, so I do not see why Irish nationalists should not support this team with clear consciences.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Ulick on March 12, 2010, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
And by extension and implication, the same must surely apply to supporters of the free state soccer team.
Even if they are picking players from all 32 counties?
Yip.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
So which international soccer team should nationalist supporters in the six counties support, given the twisted logic that support for either "endorses" British rule in the North?
Neither.
Saffron you are being overly disingenious here. Are you then endorsing British rule by holding a passport (either nation's), having a driver's licence (again either nation's) or participating in any way whatsoever in anything which involves either sovereign government? Tony gets wound up easily enough without actually
trying to do it.
Quote from: Franko on March 12, 2010, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Ulick on March 12, 2010, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
And by extension and implication, the same must surely apply to supporters of the free state soccer team.
Even if they are picking players from all 32 counties?
Yip.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
So which international soccer team should nationalist supporters in the six counties support, given the twisted logic that support for either "endorses" British rule in the North?
Neither.
Saffron you are being overly disingenious here. Are you then endorsing British rule by holding a passport (either nation's), having a driver's licence (again either nation's) or participating in any way whatsoever in anything which involves either sovereign government? Tony gets wound up easily enough without actually trying to do it.
Ah right, the last 800 years have actually been FIFA's fault.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
I think I can safely say that my decades of support (including 20 years as a block booker) of the FAI side has absolutely no endorsement implications on my part, or even hint of same, for British Rule in any part of Ireland. You might as well say that people who elect those who sit in a partitionist parliament in the Dail , support British Rule (hold on, the majority probably do!).
Quite simply, the fact that there is a split in Irish soccer (forced and maintained by the Belfast based IFA) is beyond the as a direct result of the FAI's wishes and control, they aspire to represent everyone on the island, so I do not see why Irish nationalists should not support this team with clear consciences.
Fixed that for you Anthony.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: Franko on March 12, 2010, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Ulick on March 12, 2010, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 12, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
And by extension and implication, the same must surely apply to supporters of the free state soccer team.
Even if they are picking players from all 32 counties?
Yip.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
So which international soccer team should nationalist supporters in the six counties support, given the twisted logic that support for either "endorses" British rule in the North?
Neither.
Saffron you are being overly disingenious here. Are you then endorsing British rule by holding a passport (either nation's), having a driver's licence (again either nation's) or participating in any way whatsoever in anything which involves either sovereign government? Tony gets wound up easily enough without actually trying to do it.
Ah right, the last 800 years have actually been FIFA's fault.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
I think I can safely say that my decades of support (including 20 years as a block booker) of the FAI side has absolutely no endorsement implications on my part, or even hint of same, for British Rule in any part of Ireland. You might as well say that people who elect those who sit in a partitionist parliament in the Dail , support British Rule (hold on, the majority probably do!).
Quite simply, the fact that there is a split in Irish soccer (forced and maintained by the Belfast based IFA) is beyond the as a direct result of the FAI's wishes and control, they aspire to represent everyone on the island, so I do not see why Irish nationalists should not support this team with clear consciences.
Fixed that for you Anthony.
Doubtful - but I'm using the 'extension and implication' clause you invoked above to come up with the initial theory.
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 12:06:14 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 11:42:28 AM
I take offence at the ludicrous 6 year "Football for All" Campaign run by the IFA, as its actions or inactions have not indicated any genuine attempt to promote football for all. This offence is compunded even further when its apologists laughingly suggest that other sporting organisations (ie the GAA) "could learn from the success of our campaign"
Are you equally offended at , say , NI's "athletics for all" (my words) at the Commonwealth Games ? (or is it just the football?)
Do NI athletics proclaim athletics for all, but then blatantly ignore (at best) one half of the community?
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
Quite simply, the fact that there is a split in Irish soccer (forced and maintained by the Belfast based IFA) is beyond the FAI's wishes and control, they aspire to represent everyone on the island
What changes are the FAI proposing to put into place to represent everyone on the island, to make me feel welcome they would need to change the anthem (not just augment another one along side the present one) and a flag more representative of both north and south would be appreciated, also would like to seem some safeguard in place that matches be held in both belfast and dublin so that it doesn't become like the rugby.
If the two bodies unite, surely there will no longer be an FAI, or IFA, but an entirely new body with a new name to administer football on an island wide basis.Its not a question of a takeover but an agreed way forward by everyone,based solely on how football can be best promoted.
There isn't a stadium in Belfast fit to host anything presently, if the North of Ireland fans hadn't scuppered the Maze project it would have been half built by now.
I'm sure an agreement can be reached on flags and anthems etc
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 03:29:47 PM
If the two bodies unite, surely there will no longer be an FAI, or IFA, but an entirely new body with a new name to administer football on an island wide basis.Its not a question of a takeover but an agreed way forward by everyone,based solely on how football can be best promoted.
There isn't a stadium in Belfast fit to host anything presently, if the North of Ireland fans hadn't scuppered the Maze project it would have been half built by now.
I'm sure an agreement can be reached on flags and anthems etc
you think? To be honest as i see it the demonstration of hardline loyalism at Windsor Park has been made taboo, but its still there under the surface. I think the chances of an all-ireland national side are incredibly minimal.
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 03:29:47 PM
I'm sure an agreement can be reached on flags and anthems etc
.......... just like the good job that the IRFU made of the rugby?
Getoffthepitch. The chances are minimal principally due to the politically inspired opposition by the IFA and its monocultural supporters. However the flow of young nationalists to the FAI is already causing rethinks to take place re anthems etc so who knows? Change is happening and at an incredible pace.
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 03:29:47 PM
I'm sure an agreement can be reached on flags and anthems etc
.......... just like the good job that the IRFU made of the rugby?
Exactlty, the anthem would have to go, the flag would have to change and it could not be allowed to become solely based in dublin, no point swapping one supposed monocultural setup for another.
Quote from: delboy on March 12, 2010, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 03:29:47 PM
I'm sure an agreement can be reached on flags and anthems etc
.......... just like the good job that the IRFU made of the rugby?
Exactlty, the anthem would have to go, the flag would have to change and it could not be allowed to become solely based in dublin, no point swapping one supposed monocultural setup for another.
..was being a tad sarcastic. Hope you picked that up :-\
Could have two anthems for the two communities in the north, if / when the two soccer bodies merge. Londonderry Air for the Protestants and Danny Boy for the Catholics.
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: delboy on March 12, 2010, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 03:29:47 PM
I'm sure an agreement can be reached on flags and anthems etc
.......... just like the good job that the IRFU made of the rugby?
Exactlty, the anthem would have to go, the flag would have to change and it could not be allowed to become solely based in dublin, no point swapping one supposed monocultural setup for another.
..was being a tad sarcastic. Hope you picked that up :-\
I took it to mean that you thought the IRFU hadn't done a good job of respresenting both north and south and i was saying that we should have real changes like the ones i listed so that its truly representative.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 12, 2010, 04:33:04 PM
Could have two anthems for the two communities in the north, if / when the two soccer bodies merge. Londonderry Air for the Protestants and Danny Boy for the Catholics.
:D
Seriously though it would have to be one anthem, not one for us and one for them, not a fudge like the rugby, one anthem something like dannyboy which has no real connations attached to it would be fine.
Quote from: delboy on March 12, 2010, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: delboy on March 12, 2010, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 12, 2010, 03:29:47 PM
I'm sure an agreement can be reached on flags and anthems etc
.......... just like the good job that the IRFU made of the rugby?
Exactlty, the anthem would have to go, the flag would have to change and it could not be allowed to become solely based in dublin, no point swapping one supposed monocultural setup for another.
..was being a tad sarcastic. Hope you picked that up :-\
I took it to mean that you thought the IRFU hadn't done a good job of respresenting both north and south and i was saying that we should have real changes like the ones i listed so that its truly representative.
You did pick it up then :)
THe IRFU clearly acknowledges one political jurisdiction and not the other .
Quote from: ziggysego on March 12, 2010, 04:33:04 PM
Could have two anthems for the two communities in the north, if / when the two soccer bodies merge. Londonderry Air for the Protestants and Danny Boy for the Catholics.
+1
The anthems issue is a red herring. Fair play to the boys who admit that the IFA could do everything short of disbanding and they still wouldn't cheer for NI. Why should they alienate some of their current supporters to entice people who will never give NI the time of day?
QuoteWhy should they alienate some of their current supporters to entice people who will never give NI the time of day?
They shouldnt, but should change it for the right reasons.
Id get rid of it as the UK anthem if possible, but failing that from the NI team would be a good start.
Common sense seys (sic) this island is only big enough for one successful league and that the international team would be better off as a single entity.
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Scum? ::) Wonderful sentiment.
The state is legitimised at Stormont, not Windsor Park.
Bring on the Italians :)
Bring on the Albanians....Or the Romanians...(they dont like them) or may be the Polish(dont like them either)...slovaks have had a few runs in too ...even managed to start fights with the Welsh( because you sang GSTQ) and the Welsh dont like that!
So bring them down to the Aviva if the want and let them get hamered at Football and sent up the M1 with their tails between their legs...
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Scum? ::) Wonderful sentiment.
The state is legitimised at Stormont, not Windsor Park.
Bring on the Italians :)
Must be nice in your wee world, ignore the obvious and talk about the things that comfort you, care to addres my other points?
Btw would you not agree that the six counties team has scum supporters? (notice I didn't say all!).
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Scum? ::) Wonderful sentiment.
The state is legitimised at Stormont, not Windsor Park.
Bring on the Italians :)
Must be nice in your wee world, ignore the obvious and talk about the things that comfort you, care to addres my other points?
Btw would you not agree that the six counties team has scum supporters? (notice I didn't say all!).
I go regularly and would definitely not categorise any of the supporters that I have seen n the ground as scum. There you go. I believe that I am in a better position to give an opinion on this than you uinless you go regularly too?
Quote from: Olaf on March 13, 2010, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Scum? ::) Wonderful sentiment.
The state is legitimised at Stormont, not Windsor Park.
Bring on the Italians :)
Must be nice in your wee world, ignore the obvious and talk about the things that comfort you, care to addres my other points?
Btw would you not agree that the six counties team has scum supporters? (notice I didn't say all!).
I go regularly and would definitely not categorise any of the supporters that I have seen n the ground as scum. There you go. I believe that I am in a better position to give an opinion on this than you uinless you go regularly too?
Absolutely not, thought I made that very clear. ;)
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: Olaf on March 13, 2010, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Scum? ::) Wonderful sentiment.
The state is legitimised at Stormont, not Windsor Park.
Bring on the Italians :)
Must be nice in your wee world, ignore the obvious and talk about the things that comfort you, care to addres my other points?
Btw would you not agree that the six counties team has scum supporters? (notice I didn't say all!).
I go regularly and would definitely not categorise any of the supporters that I have seen n the ground as scum. There you go. I believe that I am in a better position to give an opinion on this than you uinless you go regularly too?
Absolutely not, thought I made that very clear. ;)
You did.............. though obviously you feel sufficiently knowledgable to give an opinion on the NI support. ;)
My boss is one of the most decent men I know and he is an avid NI fan, not a bit of bitterness in him
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
Supporting the six county team is accepting the English occupation of north east Ireland.
An all-ireland team is the only answer.
Erm...what's the question?
Onto the main point...as I've said before many times I'm all for the NI team using a NI-specific anthem.
Look, I think that if the IFA agreed that the NI team would wear green, white and orange shirts, were sponsored by eirigi, played in Crossmaglen, stood to attention to the anthem 'Go on Home British Bastards' by Eire Og, provided half-time entertainment from the Ballymurphy Martyrs Flute Band and each goal was celebrated by the PA system playing "I would rather wear a turban than a sash" (to the tune of 'she'll be coming round the mountain when she comes') then there would still be some on this board that would call them Orange Bastards!
The PA systen would`nt get used very often then ;D But the rest is a good idea. :D
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on March 13, 2010, 09:54:33 PM
Look, I think that if the IFA agreed that the NI team would wear green, white and orange shirts, were sponsored by eirigi, played in Crossmaglen, stood to attention to the anthem 'Go on Home British b**tards' by Eire Og, provided half-time entertainment from the Ballymurphy Martyrs Flute Band and each goal was celebrated by the PA system playing "I would rather wear a turban than a sash" (to the tune of 'she'll be coming round the mountain when she comes') then there would still be some on this board that would call them Orange b**tards!
:D..............It's funny cuz it's true!
I couldn't give a fiddlers if they did all those things to reach out to nationalists. It's very def not a sectarian reason for saying that as i'm fiercely anti-sectarian. I simply cannot and will not support any team representing a six county state which I am opposed to the very existance of. And on a similar point, since when was this six county plastic state a "nation"? It is not a country and as such it should not have a "national" anthem.
I thought windsor already had dual anthems......GSTQ & the billy boys
Quote from: The Worker on March 14, 2010, 09:28:38 AM
I thought windsor already had dual anthems......GSTQ & the billy boys
:D.Nope , just the former.
Watch a match , or if you don't think the standard is good enough for you just listen then. Or alternatively believe what you actually really want to.
Quote from: Olaf on March 13, 2010, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: Olaf on March 13, 2010, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Scum? ::) Wonderful sentiment.
The state is legitimised at Stormont, not Windsor Park.
Bring on the Italians :)
Must be nice in your wee world, ignore the obvious and talk about the things that comfort you, care to addres my other points?
Btw would you not agree that the six counties team has scum supporters? (notice I didn't say all!).
I go regularly and would definitely not categorise any of the supporters that I have seen n the ground as scum. There you go. I believe that I am in a better position to give an opinion on this than you uinless you go regularly too?
Absolutely not, thought I made that very clear. ;)
You did.............. though obviously you feel sufficiently knowledgable to give an opinion on the NI support. ;)
Sorry Olaf, gonna have to call you on this. I had the glorious opportunity of watching NI from the kop. 2 things were notable, first is that there were numerous loyalist anthems being sung around me, by the vast majority- people I would understand others to refer to as 'scumbags'. I can be honest enough to say that i think the lads beside me twigged straight off that i was a taig, and didnt give me any hassle, but i really did feel very nervous. The second thing I remember is that the ni subs were playing keepy up amongst themselves, and their record was 4... :-\
Quote from: haranguerer on March 14, 2010, 11:00:30 AM
Quote from: Olaf on March 13, 2010, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: Olaf on March 13, 2010, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 13, 2010, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: Olaf on March 12, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
But feck the wee six and the IFA and the scum they bring with them, is it really worth it. Let them slip into the hole which is fast approaching, no more glory days boys enjoy your outings in the "celtic" cup.
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Scum? ::) Wonderful sentiment.
The state is legitimised at Stormont, not Windsor Park.
Bring on the Italians :)
Must be nice in your wee world, ignore the obvious and talk about the things that comfort you, care to addres my other points?
Btw would you not agree that the six counties team has scum supporters? (notice I didn't say all!).
I go regularly and would definitely not categorise any of the supporters that I have seen n the ground as scum. There you go. I believe that I am in a better position to give an opinion on this than you uinless you go regularly too?
Absolutely not, thought I made that very clear. ;)
You did.............. though obviously you feel sufficiently knowledgable to give an opinion on the NI support. ;)
2 things were notable, first is that there were numerous loyalist anthems being sung around me, by the vast majority- people I would understand others to refer to as 'scumbags'. I can be honest enough to say that i think the lads beside me twigged straight off that i was a taig, and didnt give me any hassle, but i really did feel very nervous.
My experience over the last number of years has been somewhat dis-similar - but there you go. ???
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Who would have thought it, i live in a fantasy state, i never realised being part of the united kingdom, being a british citizen, spending pounds instead of yo yos etc was all a dream :o
Oh thats right its you thats doing the fantasising, while you keep up the delusional behaviour i'll go back to living in the real world :)
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on March 13, 2010, 09:54:33 PM
Look, I think that if the IFA agreed that the NI team would wear green, white and orange shirts, were sponsored by eirigi, played in Crossmaglen, stood to attention to the anthem 'Go on Home British b**tards' by Eire Og, provided half-time entertainment from the Ballymurphy Martyrs Flute Band and each goal was celebrated by the PA system playing "I would rather wear a turban than a sash" (to the tune of 'she'll be coming round the mountain when she comes') then there would still be some on this board that would call them Orange b**tards!
:D
Quote from: delboy on March 15, 2010, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Who would have thought it, i live in a fantasy state, i never realised being part of the united kingdom, being a british citizen, spending pounds instead of yo yos etc was all a dream :o
Oh thats right its you thats doing the fantasising, while you keep up the delusional behaviour i'll go back to living in the real world :)
You don't like my choice of words - ah poor diddums.
Anything to say about the rest of the sentence?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 15, 2010, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: delboy on March 15, 2010, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Who would have thought it, i live in a fantasy state, i never realised being part of the united kingdom, being a british citizen, spending pounds instead of yo yos etc was all a dream :o
Oh thats right its you thats doing the fantasising, while you keep up the delusional behaviour i'll go back to living in the real world :)
You don't like my choice of words - ah poor diddums.
Anything to say about the rest of the sentence?
If you like, its ill informed sterotypical clap-trap.
How are things in la la land anyway?
Quote from: delboy on March 15, 2010, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 15, 2010, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: delboy on March 15, 2010, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 12, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
"northern" Ireland soccer team is now only a vehicle to drag out and try and legitimise this fantasy of a state, now highjacked by loyalists to try and prove a culture.
Who would have thought it, i live in a fantasy state, i never realised being part of the united kingdom, being a british citizen, spending pounds instead of yo yos etc was all a dream :o
Oh thats right its you thats doing the fantasising, while you keep up the delusional behaviour i'll go back to living in the real world :)
You don't like my choice of words - ah poor diddums.
Anything to say about the rest of the sentence?
If you like, its ill informed sterotypical clap-trap.
How are things in la la land anyway?
Fine Iris.
Can any right thinking person give me one logical reason why GSTW should continue to be played as the anthem for matches involving IFA representational teams?
God Save The Whales? Hard to see the sense of it, for sure.
Windsors ?
It's a typo you qankers.
Evil Genius taught me that joke. It's quite funny. :)
Hardy's one was funny and original.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 16, 2010, 08:04:50 AM
Can any right thinking person give me one logical reason why GSTW should continue to be played as the anthem for matches involving IFA representational teams?
Probably not.
I cant see why if you want to use the uk anthem you wouldnt want a uk team.
If you want an NI team it should make sense to want a NI anthem imo.
Quote from: Hardy on March 16, 2010, 08:18:31 AM
God Save The Whales? Hard to see the sense of it, for sure.
God save the Wees?
Quote from: nifan on March 16, 2010, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 16, 2010, 08:04:50 AM
Can any right thinking person give me one logical reason why GSTW should continue to be played as the anthem for matches involving IFA representational teams?
Probably not.
I cant see why if you want to use the uk anthem you wouldnt want a uk team.
If you want an NI team it should make sense to want a NI anthem imo.
Nifan, as a more moderate owc'er what would your choice of alternative anthem be?
I'm genuinely curious.
Also would you have any view on an appropriate flag.
I dont really know, my music tastes are more indie than anthem :)
Not a real fan of Danny Boy though it has a strong connection with here, so would be more acceptable. Religion and monarchy shouldnt be lauded whatever it is.
As for the flag - im not uncomfortable with the NI flag as it is NI rather than uk (never understood anyone bringing a UJ for the same reason as the anthem), but I understand that some people dont like it. Not sure what should be done there.
Quote from: nifan on March 16, 2010, 01:44:36 PM
I dont really know, my music tastes are more indie than anthem :)
Not a real fan of Danny Boy though it has a strong connection with here, so would be more acceptable. Religion and monarchy shouldnt be lauded whatever it is.
As for the flag - im not uncomfortable with the NI flag as it is NI rather than uk (never understood anyone bringing a UJ for the same reason as the anthem), but I understand that some people dont like it. Not sure what should be done there.
Eddy Izzard had a green flag with a white dove on one corner.
Was thinking D:ream - "Things can only get better." ;)
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 16, 2010, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 16, 2010, 01:44:36 PM
I dont really know, my music tastes are more indie than anthem :)
Not a real fan of Danny Boy though it has a strong connection with here, so would be more acceptable. Religion and monarchy shouldnt be lauded whatever it is.
As for the flag - im not uncomfortable with the NI flag as it is NI rather than uk (never understood anyone bringing a UJ for the same reason as the anthem), but I understand that some people dont like it. Not sure what should be done there.
Eddy Izzard had a green flag with a white dove on one corner.
Was thinking D:ream - "Things can only get better." ;)
God no. The last All-Ireland anthem penned by a Derryman was awful ;)