Hurling 2024

[seafoid]

Clare shouldn't be as brónach as last year. They could have won yesterday with more shot discipline. They just need a few tweaks. Last year they gave everything.  If they can learn from yesterday they have a great chance.

[clonadmad]

What's the thoughts on Shelfflin in Galway? Heard a few fans chatting on the way out and they weren't overly impressed with his so far.

I think the challenge is for the medium term. To build a team for the post Limerick era. It's the same in Kilkenny. Neither team is the finished article. There has to be progress every year.

The post Limerick era could be in 3/4 years time

Galway haven't progressed under Shefflin

Even more inconsistent than they were before he arrived

Defensive structure very poor

And the Achilles heel of goalkeeping still not resolved

Let's see how far they get this year.
He is a big improvement on his predecessor. In 2021 they lost to Waterford in the qualifiers.
He has been good at introducing new players. Kilkenny were just as inconsistent yesterday and just as ropey in defence.
And the post Limerick era could start next month.

If you have a look at the age profile of Limerick

That era won't finishing any time soon

Compare and contrast with the ages of the key Galway men who are in their 30's

One thing you can never accuse Kilkenny of is inconsistency

[seafoid]

Limerick have the same thing as Galway and Kilkenny. Fading in and out. Whichever team fixes it could win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCJblaUkkfc

[seafoid]

What's the thoughts on Shelfflin in Galway? Heard a few fans chatting on the way out and they weren't overly impressed with his so far.

I think the challenge is for the medium term. To build a team for the post Limerick era. It's the same in Kilkenny. Neither team is the finished article. There has to be progress every year.

The post Limerick era could be in 3/4 years time

Galway haven't progressed under Shefflin

Even more inconsistent than they were before he arrived

Defensive structure very poor

And the Achilles heel of goalkeeping still not resolved

Let's see how far they get this year.
He is a big improvement on his predecessor. In 2021 they lost to Waterford in the qualifiers.
He has been good at introducing new players. Kilkenny were just as inconsistent yesterday and just as ropey in defence.
And the post Limerick era could start next month.

If you have a look at the age profile of Limerick

That era won't finishing any time soon

Compare and contrast with the ages of the key Galway men who are in their 30's

One thing you can never accuse Kilkenny of is inconsistency

Dublin couldn't do it. Kerry couldn't do it. Why would Limerick be different?

[Capt Pat]

You might say Clare are better if they had Cleary or started Morey. Limerick are obviously not as good as they were previous years. I think somebody other than Limerick will win out this year. However they will be favourites all the way. That is just the way it is.

[clonadmad]

What's the thoughts on Shelfflin in Galway? Heard a few fans chatting on the way out and they weren't overly impressed with his so far.

I think the challenge is for the medium term. To build a team for the post Limerick era. It's the same in Kilkenny. Neither team is the finished article. There has to be progress every year.

The post Limerick era could be in 3/4 years time

Galway haven't progressed under Shefflin

Even more inconsistent than they were before he arrived

Defensive structure very poor

And the Achilles heel of goalkeeping still not resolved

Let's see how far they get this year.
He is a big improvement on his predecessor. In 2021 they lost to Waterford in the qualifiers.
He has been good at introducing new players. Kilkenny were just as inconsistent yesterday and just as ropey in defence.
And the post Limerick era could start next month.

If you have a look at the age profile of Limerick

That era won't finishing any time soon

Compare and contrast with the ages of the key Galway men who are in their 30's

One thing you can never accuse Kilkenny of is inconsistency

Dublin couldn't do it. Kerry couldn't do it. Why would Limerick be different?

Did Dublin not do 6 in a row ?

[seafoid]

What's the thoughts on Shelfflin in Galway? Heard a few fans chatting on the way out and they weren't overly impressed with his so far.

I think the challenge is for the medium term. To build a team for the post Limerick era. It's the same in Kilkenny. Neither team is the finished article. There has to be progress every year.

The post Limerick era could be in 3/4 years time

Galway haven't progressed under Shefflin

Even more inconsistent than they were before he arrived

Defensive structure very poor

And the Achilles heel of goalkeeping still not resolved

Let's see how far they get this year.
He is a big improvement on his predecessor. In 2021 they lost to Waterford in the qualifiers.
He has been good at introducing new players. Kilkenny were just as inconsistent yesterday and just as ropey in defence.
And the post Limerick era could start next month.

If you have a look at the age profile of Limerick

That era won't finishing any time soon

Compare and contrast with the ages of the key Galway men who are in their 30's

One thing you can never accuse Kilkenny of is inconsistency

Dublin couldn't do it. Kerry couldn't do it. Why would Limerick be different?

Did Dublin not do 6 in a row ?

"That era won't finishing any time soon"

The core engine of the Limerick team was identified in a Tony Forrestal tournament for under 14s in 2010. 9 of them were on the All Ireland team  in 2018. It all depends how long they stay ahead of the pack. They have a lot of miles on the tachometer.

https://www.youtube.com/live/-SWCRs3sHxc?feature=share

[clonadmad]

What's the thoughts on Shelfflin in Galway? Heard a few fans chatting on the way out and they weren't overly impressed with his so far.

I think the challenge is for the medium term. To build a team for the post Limerick era. It's the same in Kilkenny. Neither team is the finished article. There has to be progress every year.

The post Limerick era could be in 3/4 years time

Galway haven't progressed under Shefflin

Even more inconsistent than they were before he arrived

Defensive structure very poor

And the Achilles heel of goalkeeping still not resolved

Let's see how far they get this year.
He is a big improvement on his predecessor. In 2021 they lost to Waterford in the qualifiers.
He has been good at introducing new players. Kilkenny were just as inconsistent yesterday and just as ropey in defence.
And the post Limerick era could start next month.

If you have a look at the age profile of Limerick

That era won't finishing any time soon

Compare and contrast with the ages of the key Galway men who are in their 30's

One thing you can never accuse Kilkenny of is inconsistency

Dublin couldn't do it. Kerry couldn't do it. Why would Limerick be different?

Did Dublin not do 6 in a row ?

"That era won't finishing any time soon"

The core engine of the Limerick team was identified in a Tony Forrestal tournament for under 14s in 2010. 9 of them were on the All Ireland team  in 2018. It all depends how long they stay ahead of the pack. They have a lot of miles on the tachometer.

https://www.youtube.com/live/-SWCRs3sHxc?feature=share

"Dublin couldn't do it"

But Dublin did win a 6 in a row

Did they not ?

[seafoid]

What's the thoughts on Shelfflin in Galway? Heard a few fans chatting on the way out and they weren't overly impressed with his so far.

I think the challenge is for the medium term. To build a team for the post Limerick era. It's the same in Kilkenny. Neither team is the finished article. There has to be progress every year.

The post Limerick era could be in 3/4 years time

Galway haven't progressed under Shefflin

Even more inconsistent than they were before he arrived

Defensive structure very poor

And the Achilles heel of goalkeeping still not resolved

Let's see how far they get this year.
He is a big improvement on his predecessor. In 2021 they lost to Waterford in the qualifiers.
He has been good at introducing new players. Kilkenny were just as inconsistent yesterday and just as ropey in defence.
And the post Limerick era could start next month.

If you have a look at the age profile of Limerick

That era won't finishing any time soon

Compare and contrast with the ages of the key Galway men who are in their 30's

One thing you can never accuse Kilkenny of is inconsistency

Dublin couldn't do it. Kerry couldn't do it. Why would Limerick be different?

Did Dublin not do 6 in a row ?

"That era won't finishing any time soon"

The core engine of the Limerick team was identified in a Tony Forrestal tournament for under 14s in 2010. 9 of them were on the All Ireland team  in 2018. It all depends how long they stay ahead of the pack. They have a lot of miles on the tachometer.

https://www.youtube.com/live/-SWCRs3sHxc?feature=share

"Dublin couldn't do it"

But Dublin did win a 6 in a row

Did they not ?

You said they could win 10 in a row. That is impossible.
I would be surprised if Limerick won 6 in a row. Because of 2019.
This year would be the 6 in a row  if they hadn't lost in 2019 .
What no team can do is replace a generational team and continue the winning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/08/read-all-about-it-at-last-the-tuam-stars-who-lit-up-football-in-the-1950s/
"I had only fleeting memories of some of those players playing on bad Kerry teams being given the runaround by Larry Tompkins."

[clonadmad]

What's the thoughts on Shelfflin in Galway? Heard a few fans chatting on the way out and they weren't overly impressed with his so far.

I think the challenge is for the medium term. To build a team for the post Limerick era. It's the same in Kilkenny. Neither team is the finished article. There has to be progress every year.

The post Limerick era could be in 3/4 years time

Galway haven't progressed under Shefflin

Even more inconsistent than they were before he arrived

Defensive structure very poor

And the Achilles heel of goalkeeping still not resolved

Let's see how far they get this year.
He is a big improvement on his predecessor. In 2021 they lost to Waterford in the qualifiers.
He has been good at introducing new players. Kilkenny were just as inconsistent yesterday and just as ropey in defence.
And the post Limerick era could start next month.

If you have a look at the age profile of Limerick

That era won't finishing any time soon

Compare and contrast with the ages of the key Galway men who are in their 30's

One thing you can never accuse Kilkenny of is inconsistency

Dublin couldn't do it. Kerry couldn't do it. Why would Limerick be different?

Did Dublin not do 6 in a row ?

"That era won't finishing any time soon"

The core engine of the Limerick team was identified in a Tony Forrestal tournament for under 14s in 2010. 9 of them were on the All Ireland team  in 2018. It all depends how long they stay ahead of the pack. They have a lot of miles on the tachometer.

https://www.youtube.com/live/-SWCRs3sHxc?feature=share

"Dublin couldn't do it"

But Dublin did win a 6 in a row

Did they not ?

You said they could win 10 in a row. That is impossible.
I would be surprised if Limerick won 6 in a row. Because of 2019.
This year would be the 6 in a row  if they hadn't lost in 2019 .
What no team can do is replace a generational team and continue the winning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/08/read-all-about-it-at-last-the-tuam-stars-who-lit-up-football-in-the-1950s/
"I had only fleeting memories of some of those players playing on bad Kerry teams being given the runaround by Larry Tompkins."

Id take the opinions of a lad that didn't know that Dublin had won 6 in a row with a large dollop of salt

Given the age profile of that Limerick team most of who are only coming into their prime plus the addition of the likes of English and Coughlin

There's a few more All Irelands in them before Galway start their long heralded dominance

[seafoid]

The nature of team sport is that teams dominate and then are replaced by other teams.
Limerick 's winning margins this year are lower than last year.
But carry on.

[imtommygunn]

They won the munster final in normal time this year...

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/12/clare-can-find-solace-in-defeat-as-the-numbers-dont-add-up-for-limerick/

Their five championship matches so far this year have resulted in a two-point win, two one-point wins, a draw and a one-point defeat. Five games, washing out to an aggregate scoring difference in their favour of just three points.
The advanced metrics dudes would not find that kind of thing impressive. Particularly when you compare it to this point in 2022, when Limerick's aggregate scoring difference after their fourth Munster title in a row was +24

[imtommygunn]

That was when they had Sean Finn, Cian Lynch and Peter Casey all fit...

Is that factored into advanced stats?

Their dominance, like anyone's, will end at some point but they're a bloody good team and young so they will be there or thereabouts for a good while.

However how that was not given as a free to Clare just at the end of that game I will never know

[Saffrongael]

We can say their margin of victory has reduced and that is not up for argument but they always seem to find a way, be that a one or two point victory. They are so hard to put away and are a great team obviously.