Should distinctions be made between real and back door All Irelands?

[T Fearon]

 I mean should the record books detail All Ireland winners as follows (for example)

Tyrone 3 (two backdoors).


It is in my opinion a qualification that needs to be made

[robertemmet]

[silence]

[Sideshow Bob]

Your point being Tyrone have 3 All irelands and........... ?

[Kerrygal]

I mean should the record books detail All Ireland winners as follows (for example)

Tyrone 3 (two backdoors).


It is in my opinion a qualification that needs to be made

hmmm maybe, yes. But let's say something a bit more disparaging than just 'backdoor' in our efforts to denigrate Tyrone and take from a superb achievement in winning an All-Ireland.
Let's say
Tyrone - 2008 (ah but needed the old backdoor. Tut tut - so it only counts for half an All-Ireland).
Kerry - 2006 (ah but needed the old backdoor AND it was a soft All-Ireland. Doesn't count at all).

Yup - history books definitely need 'qualification' alright.

[T Fearon]

It is an important point though. Those who won All Ireland titles without being defeated at any stage of the campaign are deserving of more honour than those who needed a second bite of the cherry.

[Donagh]

Yup - history books definitely need 'qualification' alright.

A simple asterix* after their names should do the trick.

[rrhf]

Quantity over quality anyday, mind ye Tyrones wins have both in spades.

[Kerrygal]

It is an important point though. Those who won All Ireland titles without being defeated at any stage of the campaign are deserving of more honour than those who needed a second bite of the cherry.

Maybe so. But when the new Championship format was accepted, I think we should have understood it to mean that all All-Irelands would be equal. In 2005 Tyrone played 10 games to win the title - you could say that's a more honourable All-Ireland than any won in the 70s/80s/90s but in truth to win Sam at any stage is an honourable achievement. It's clear from the outset of the Championship that the backdoor is there - every team has equal opportunity to use it (provincial champions don't get a second chance but at the start of the year, they know that it's a safety net if they get knocked out in an early stage).

[Billys Boots]

Kerrygal, welcome to Tonyland, where anything that isn't from Armagh, Catholic-Glasgow, Jewish North-London (or free to Tony) is bogus.  It will keep you amused, when you get used to it.

[T Fearon]

Kerrygal I beg to differ. Winning All Ireland undefeated is what I would term a pure unblemished All Ireland. This year's All Ireland finalists involved teams from Ulster and Munster who cannot even call themselves Munster or Ulster Champions.

I think the record books should , as an aid to those unfamiliar with our games) include an asterisk, as Donagh says, against the years when All Ireland's were won via the back door.

[mannix]

STUPID THREAD?

[ONeill]

Lads, just nod your head and say 'yes Tony'.

[Over the Bar]

STUPID THREAD?

Do ye need to ask?  It was after-all started by the Buffoon of the Board! 

[ziggysego]

Yes Tony, want some milk?

[Final Whistle]

he would rather have some big macs ziggy.