Trans Men/Women Debate

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seafoid

#60
August 04, 2026, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2026, 06:45:36 PMFor someone who didn't have enough time to find any recent examples, you had plenty of time to drool all over the site with tedious right wing nonsense.

You are proving the point though. You took a break from your antisemitic conspiracy nonsense to pop at Trans folk for the day. This all comes from the same place.
I'm interested in the system. They had a medical system and trans medicine and they needed a supply of kids. Most ordinary kids would tell them to f**k off but they found vulnerable kids who are either gay or autistic.
There is no trans magic. Trans medicine is a money racket. Surgery is very expensive.  And a lot of trans people end up in the sex industry. It's all very sad. It'll collapse with neoliberalism. So will Zionism btw 8)

The Tavistock closed a few years ago.
There was some legal win for the TERF women last year against the trans movement but I can't remember the details. I think it has peaked. I don't see it as much on social media any more.

Baile Brigín 2

#61
August 04, 2026, 07:53:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2026, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2026, 06:45:36 PMFor someone who didn't have enough time to find any recent examples, you had plenty of time to drool all over the site with tedious right wing nonsense.

You are proving the point though. You took a break from your antisemitic conspiracy nonsense to pop at Trans folk for the day. This all comes from the same place.
I'm interested in the system. They had a medical system and trans medicine and they needed a supply of kids. Most ordinary kids would tell them to f**k off but they found vulnerable kids who are either gay or autistic.
There is no trans magic. Trans medicine is a money racket. Surgery is very expensive.  And a lot of trans people end up in the sex industry. It's all very sad. It'll collapse with neoliberalism. So will Zionism btw 8)

The Tavistock closed a few years ago.
There was some legal win for the TERF women last year against the trans movement but I can't remember the details. I think it has peaked. I don't see it as much on social media any more.
Source: YouTube comments.

f**k off. Seriously.

seafoid

#62
August 04, 2026, 08:25:34 PM
Trans is astroturf funded by some billionaire.

Puckoon

#63
August 04, 2026, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2026, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2026, 06:45:36 PMFor someone who didn't have enough time to find any recent examples, you had plenty of time to drool all over the site with tedious right wing nonsense.

You are proving the point though. You took a break from your antisemitic conspiracy nonsense to pop at Trans folk for the day. This all comes from the same place.
I'm interested in the system. They had a medical system and trans medicine and they needed a supply of kids. Most ordinary kids would tell them to f**k off but they found vulnerable kids who are either gay or autistic.
There is no trans magic. Trans medicine is a money racket. Surgery is very expensive.  And a lot of trans people end up in the sex industry. It's all very sad. It'll collapse with neoliberalism. So will Zionism btw 8)

The Tavistock closed a few years ago.
There was some legal win for the TERF women last year against the trans movement but I can't remember the details. I think it has peaked. I don't see it as much on social media any more.

You have spouted some insane shite over the decades - but that absolutely takes the biscuit. You've been wrong about every single thing you've ever posted about, yet your style is one of statements of absolute truth - and it appears there is no amount of egg on your face that would ever make you cease and desist. A supply of kids. For fucks sake take your face for a walk.

Baile Brigín 2

#64
August 04, 2026, 09:56:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2026, 08:25:34 PMTrans is astroturf funded by some billionaire.
You have been doing this too long and too often for it to be a quirk. It's full on mental now.

seafoid

#65
August 04, 2026, 10:03:52 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 04, 2026, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2026, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2026, 06:45:36 PMFor someone who didn't have enough time to find any recent examples, you had plenty of time to drool all over the site with tedious right wing nonsense.

You are proving the point though. You took a break from your antisemitic conspiracy nonsense to pop at Trans folk for the day. This all comes from the same place.
I'm interested in the system. They had a medical system and trans medicine and they needed a supply of kids. Most ordinary kids would tell them to f**k off but they found vulnerable kids who are either gay or autistic.
There is no trans magic. Trans medicine is a money racket. Surgery is very expensive.  And a lot of trans people end up in the sex industry. It's all very sad. It'll collapse with neoliberalism. So will Zionism btw 8)

The Tavistock closed a few years ago.
There was some legal win for the TERF women last year against the trans movement but I can't remember the details. I think it has peaked. I don't see it as much on social media any more.

You have spouted some insane shite over the decades - but that absolutely takes the biscuit. You've been wrong about every single thing you've ever posted about, yet your style is one of statements of absolute truth - and it appears there is no amount of egg on your face that would ever make you cease and desist. A supply of kids. For fucks sake take your face for a walk.
Do you know the history of trans, Puckoon? They were very anti gay. Judith Butler is one of the trans theorists. She says that gender is a performance thing. So if you perform you become. This is bollocks.

Why is it an Anglo thing? Why were the kids in The Tavistock either gay or autistic ? Why did they have to invade female spaces? Why did they have to take over female sports ? Why didn't they follow the Indian or the Thai model ?  In India hijra are not male and not female. So there is no misogyny. Why did it have to be misogynistic ?  . People think it's men who feel like women but half of Transwomen are AGP who have fetishes about things like menstruation. It's all fake

The main thing is that it seems to be fading. They lost the Equality Act at the UK Supreme Court

On April 16, 2025, the UK Supreme Court ruled in For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers that the terms "sex," "man," and "woman" in the Equality Act 2010 refer strictly to biological sex at birth, meaning a Gender Recognition Certificate does not change a person's legal sex for those provisions.Key Aspects of the 2025 Supreme Court Ruling

Biological Definition: Legal sex under the Equality Act is determined by birth sex rather than acquired gender identity

Puckoon

#66
August 04, 2026, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2026, 10:03:52 PMDo you know the history of trans, Puckoon? They were very anti gay. Judith Butler is one of the trans theorists. She says that gender is a performance thing. So if you perform you become. This is bollocks.

Why is it an Anglo thing? Why were the kids in The Tavistock either gay or autistic ? Why did they have to invade female spaces? Why did they have to take over female sports ? Why didn't they follow the Indian or the Thai model ?  In India hijra are not male and not female. So there is no misogyny. Why did it have to be misogynistic ?  . People think it's men who feel like women but half of Transwomen are AGP who have fetishes about things like menstruation. It's all fake

The main thing is that it seems to be fading. They lost the Equality Act at the UK Supreme Court

On April 16, 2025, the UK Supreme Court ruled in For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers that the terms "sex," "man," and "woman" in the Equality Act 2010 refer strictly to biological sex at birth, meaning a Gender Recognition Certificate does not change a person's legal sex for those provisions.Key Aspects of the 2025 Supreme Court Ruling

Biological Definition: Legal sex under the Equality Act is determined by birth sex rather than acquired gender identity

Like there you go again. From finance to Israel to Trans you're an expert on it all pulling outlandish statements out of your hole with alarming regularity.

You do know a good dance tune, will concede that. Maybe too many disco biscuits in the heat of russian disputations?

Baile Brigín 2

#67
August 04, 2026, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 04, 2026, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2026, 10:03:52 PMDo you know the history of trans, Puckoon? They were very anti gay. Judith Butler is one of the trans theorists. She says that gender is a performance thing. So if you perform you become. This is bollocks.

Why is it an Anglo thing? Why were the kids in The Tavistock either gay or autistic ? Why did they have to invade female spaces? Why did they have to take over female sports ? Why didn't they follow the Indian or the Thai model ?  In India hijra are not male and not female. So there is no misogyny. Why did it have to be misogynistic ?  . People think it's men who feel like women but half of Transwomen are AGP who have fetishes about things like menstruation. It's all fake

The main thing is that it seems to be fading. They lost the Equality Act at the UK Supreme Court

On April 16, 2025, the UK Supreme Court ruled in For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers that the terms "sex," "man," and "woman" in the Equality Act 2010 refer strictly to biological sex at birth, meaning a Gender Recognition Certificate does not change a person's legal sex for those provisions.Key Aspects of the 2025 Supreme Court Ruling

Biological Definition: Legal sex under the Equality Act is determined by birth sex rather than acquired gender identity

Like there you go again. From finance to Israel to Trans you're an expert on it all pulling outlandish statements out of your hole with alarming regularity.

You do know a good dance tune, will concede that. Maybe too many disco biscuits in the heat of russian disputations?
Imagine being so smugly sure of yourself that Trans is 'an Anglo thing' funded by billionaires. Let's ignore Asian 'lady boys', ancient Egypt and so on.

All he is proving is the prosecutions case - this is a contrived right wing internet thing.

Eamonnca1

#68
Today at 05:49:55 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2026, 10:03:52 PMWhy did they have to take over female sports ?

Very simple question: Have female sports been "taken over" by transgender people? The Tour de Femmes? Women's World Cup? Ladies' competition at Wimbledon? Camogie? LGFA football? All "taken over" and now dominated by transgender people, are they?

Eamonnca1

#69
Today at 05:59:47 AM
I asked Claude for a data-driven and evidence-based analysis of whether or not transgender people are a threat to public safety, and how likely they are to be victims of violence, with only reputable sources quoted. It had this to say:

Representation among offenders / the criminal legal system

Transgender people are overrepresented in arrest and incarceration statistics, but the reasons matter a lot for interpretation:

The 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey found 2% of transgender respondents had been incarcerated in the past year, more than twice the rate in the general population (0.87%), with the rate several times higher among transgender people of color and low-income respondents. Nearly one in ten Black transgender women had been incarcerated in the previous year — roughly ten times the general-population rate.
Transequality
Transequality

Nearly 5,000 transgender people are incarcerated in state prisons, an overrepresented but understudied population; more recent estimates put the number above 12,000.
Prison Policy Initiative
Sage Journals

Criminologists studying this generally attribute the overrepresentation not to violent tendencies tied to gender identity, but to structural factors: disproportionate poverty, homelessness, discrimination, participation in street economies, and in some cases law enforcement bias. While little government data exists specifically on trans over-incarceration, research shows a multitude of forces — including criminalization of sex work and homelessness — push LGBTQ people into jails and prisons at disproportionate rates, and LGB people specifically are arrested at more than twice the rate of straight people.
Transequality + 2

Violent crime perpetration specifically

This is where the evidence is thinnest and most contested:

Criminologists reviewing the research say no reliable data supports the claim that transgender people commit violent crimes at higher rates than cisgender people, and studies find no evidence that transgender people commit crimes at higher rates than cisgender people, with over-policing and disproportionate surveillance offered as alternative explanations for justice-system contact.
Kentucky Lantern
Woodhullfoundation

The one frequently-cited contrary study is a Swedish cohort (Dhejne et al.) of 324 people who underwent sex-reassignment surgery between 1973 and 2003, which found a slightly higher risk of any crime (about 30% higher) and violent crime (about 50% higher) compared to the general population — but this elevated risk was concentrated almost entirely in the earlier surgery cohort (1973–1988), with no difference found for the 1989–2003 group. That study is old, methodologically limited (tiny sample, pre-modern-era medical/social context), and its authors themselves cautioned against reading it as evidence that gender identity causes violence rather than reflecting the severe marginalization and mental-health burdens that cohort faced.
Fair Play For Women

No large, nationally representative U.S. dataset tracks perpetrators' gender identity the way it now tracks victims', so most "trans people commit more crime" claims circulating online trace back either to that single dated Swedish study or to sources without verifiable peer-reviewed backing.

Victimization — where the data is strongest

This is the best-documented part of the picture:

BJS data (National Crime Victimization Survey, 2017–2020) found the rate of violent victimization against transgender persons was 51.5 per 1,000 people age 16+, versus 20.5 per 1,000 for cisgender people — 2.5 times higher.
Bureau of Justice Statistics

A Williams Institute analysis of 2017–2018 NCVS data found transgender people were victimized over four times more often than cisgender people (86.2 vs. 21.7 per 1,000), with both transgender women and men showing higher violent victimization rates than their cisgender counterparts.
ucla

Pooled 2017–2019 NCVS data found LGBT people experienced 6.6 violent hate-crime victimizations per 1,000 people, compared to 0.6 per 1,000 for non-LGBT people.
nih

One in four victimized transgender women believed the incident was a hate crime, compared to fewer than one in ten cisgender women.
ucla

Behind bars specifically, incarcerated transgender people face markedly elevated rates of sexual violence compared to other inmates, per DOJ survey data.

Bottom line

The strongest, most methodologically robust evidence (BJS/NCVS, a nationally representative federal survey) shows transgender people are considerably more likely to be victims of violence, not perpetrators. They're also overrepresented in arrest/incarceration statistics, but researchers attribute that primarily to poverty, homelessness, discrimination, and over-policing rather than to elevated violent tendencies — and there's no solid, current, large-sample evidence that transgender people commit violent crime at higher rates than cisgender people once you set aside a single dated, small, and methodologically limited Swedish study.

One caveat worth flagging: as of 2025 the federal government (per Bureau of Justice Statistics reporting) has been rolling back collection of gender-identity data in some victimization surveys, which will make it harder to update these figures going forward.

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