Hurling 1774

[Evil Genius]

Don't ask me how I came across this, but an entry in The Dublin Gazette, No. 2854, covering Tuesday 27 September 1774 to Thursday 29 September 1774 notes the following:

"On Thursday last, there was a very great Hurling Match for an Hundred Guineas between the principal Hurlers in the County of Tipperary and the County of Galway, at Ballingarry, near this Town, which was won by the former."
https://virtualtreasury.ie/item/DGZ-1774-2854

Amateur sport, eh? 
 

[armaghniac]

Don't ask me how I came across this, but an entry in The Dublin Gazette, No. 2854, covering Tuesday 27 September 1774 to Thursday 29 September 1774 notes the following:

"On Thursday last, there was a very great Hurling Match for an Hundred Guineas between the principal Hurlers in the County of Tipperary and the County of Galway, at Ballingarry, near this Town, which was won by the former."
https://virtualtreasury.ie/item/DGZ-1774-2854

Amateur sport, eh? 
 

It doesn't say that the players got the 100 guineas. And Tipp were always likely to have won.

[johnnycool]

Having bother reading that but it's well known that the landed gentry with their sprawling estates had hurling teams from the peasants who worked on their land.

It isn't by chance that hurling is strong in South Galway, Tipperary, East Cork , Kilkenny etc with the good farmland

[Evil Genius]

It doesn't say that the players got the 100 guineas. And Tipp were always likely to have won.

No doubt and no comment.

It will most likely have been staged for gambling purposes. It is similar to Steeplechasing, first recorded in Co. Cork in 1752, where (I think) two wealthy landowners each put a large stake on their best horse and jockey in a cross-country race between two landmarks (church steeples) on a winner-takes-all basis.

Abd it was very common in England around that time for wealthy landowners to raise a cricket team from the village they owned to challenge the village team of a neighbouring landlord on a similar basis.

Indeed, gambling on cricket was so prevalent that the Courts risked being overwhelmed with disputes, meaning the government was forced to make gambling a private contractual matter between participants, so that you couldn't sue someone for not paying out etc, a situation which afaik continued until an Act of Parliament in 2005 which gave legal recognition to regulated betting.

(I'm open to correction on the above by better informed posters than me, btw).

[Cyril Farrell fan]

Don't ask me how I came across this, but an entry in The Dublin Gazette, No. 2854, covering Tuesday 27 September 1774 to Thursday 29 September 1774 notes the following:

"On Thursday last, there was a very great Hurling Match for an Hundred Guineas between the principal Hurlers in the County of Tipperary and the County of Galway, at Ballingarry, near this Town, which was won by the former."
https://virtualtreasury.ie/item/DGZ-1774-2854

Amateur sport, eh? 
 

It doesn't say that the players got the 100 guineas. And Tipp were always likely to have won.

Probably some ancestor of John Denton reffing it and pocketing the 100 guineas.

[Baile Brigín 2]

It doesn't say that the players got the 100 guineas. And Tipp were always likely to have won.

No doubt and no comment.

It will most likely have been staged for gambling purposes. It is similar to Steeplechasing, first recorded in Co. Cork in 1752, where (I think) two wealthy landowners each put a large stake on their best horse and jockey in a cross-country race between two landmarks (church steeples) on a winner-takes-all basis.

Abd it was very common in England around that time for wealthy landowners to raise a cricket team from the village they owned to challenge the village team of a neighbouring landlord on a similar basis.

Indeed, gambling on cricket was so prevalent that the Courts risked being overwhelmed with disputes, meaning the government was forced to make gambling a private contractual matter between participants, so that you couldn't sue someone for not paying out etc, a situation which afaik continued until an Act of Parliament in 2005 which gave legal recognition to regulated betting.

(I'm open to correction on the above by better informed posters than me, btw).

I would understand that to be bang on. If the staff could play cricket it would have been a cricket game. Pure willy waving between the lordships

[Baile Brigín 2]

Having bother reading that but it's well known that the landed gentry with their sprawling estates had hurling teams from the peasants who worked on their land.

It isn't by chance that hurling is strong in South Galway, Tipperary, East Cork , Kilkenny etc with the good farmland

They were also strong cricket areas too. The 'small ball' concept of hurling within the GAA was to take on cricket. I understand an early proposal in the GAA was to play rugby and cricket in isolation, but the football/hurling idea won out.

Cricket stayed strong around Belfast for obvious reasons. But it's strength, still to this day in Fingal is very interesting. Far stronger than hurling for sure.

[seafoid]

Having bother reading that but it's well known that the landed gentry with their sprawling estates had hurling teams from the peasants who worked on their land.

It isn't by chance that hurling is strong in South Galway, Tipperary, East Cork , Kilkenny etc with the good farmland

[marty34]

Having bother reading that but it's well known that the landed gentry with their sprawling estates had hurling teams from the peasants who worked on their land.

It isn't by chance that hurling is strong in South Galway, Tipperary, East Cork , Kilkenny etc with the good farmland

Out of curiousity, would that farmland/farms still be Church of Ireland farmers? Or has that totally changed?


Really that map could relate to today in hurling terms - allbeit that the Tier 2 and Tier 3 hurling competitions are structured better.   

[Genocide Organ]

Having bother reading that but it's well known that the landed gentry with their sprawling estates had hurling teams from the peasants who worked on their land.

It isn't by chance that hurling is strong in South Galway, Tipperary, East Cork , Kilkenny etc with the good farmland

Out of curiousity, would that farmland/farms still be Church of Ireland farmers? Or has that totally changed?


Really that map could relate to today in hurling terms - allbeit that the Tier 2 and Tier 3 hurling competitions are structured better.   

That map specifically relates to the modern-day hurling area. It's from a book called "Seeing Through Counties", and a chapter on the hurling areas.
As for the CoI thing, it's not that unusual to have protestants playing hurling any more, no more than it was in the C18th, when landlords' sons would join the fray themselves. Apparently.