Man Utd Thread:

[square_ball]

Yeah they're all improvements if they're at their best.

Be interesting to see how he gets Mainoo, Tielemans, Baleba and Bruno in the same team. Drop Cunha and let Bruno play that false 9 role?

Rashford to drop out surely? Baleba for Tielemens to play alongside Mainoo then a three of Mbeumo, Bruno, Cunha behind Sesko. He isn't the best but United need a focal point up front and Sesko is their only option.

[tiempo]

If you could back up one simple argument for his inclusion as a coach/manager at Utd I'd like to hear it

If Michael Carrick was the answer, what exactly was the job description 'who can nod more convincingly than the Churchill dog?'

Fulham (A) Spurs (H) Athletico (A) Leeds (A)

Maybe they could wife swap Carrick and Fabregas the evening of the Como game

[Baile Brigín 2]

I think there are a few issues (although I appreciate the effort in identifying 13 good points for Keane).

First, his last truly successful managerial stint was with Sunderland almost 20 years ago. Thereafter, it has been underwhelming, or in a capacity as second fiddle to Martin O'Neill.

Second, the Manchester United that existed when he left in 2005 (and before) has changed several times over.

Third, the footballing landscape that prevailed the last time he was in the dugout has changed. Therefore the standards have changed.

Finally, he still seems to hold a massive candle for Brian Clough, and the mentality that prevailed at Forest over 30 years ago. Again, that style, while perhaps endearing to the fans, is not necessarily something that would work today.

Appreciate the thoughtful reply

Where I think Keane has a strong case is Madrid and Barcelona appointed Zidane and Pep to great effect, peers of Keane whose gravitas carries farther than most others

Also Madrid have re-appointed Jose, no doubt with a factory reset in view so the onward manager has a base to work from, Keane is still a relevant shout on both points

Major kicker though as also highlighted, an octogenarian is king maker

Carrick finished by Halloween?

While I would consider Keane a better player than Pep, and one of the few players who approached even Zidane, he is a long way behind both of them in terms of what has been achieved in management. Keane's trophy haul is a single Championship title, while Pep and Zidane both won multiple Champions Leagues within their early years of management. It is more than just their "legendary" and psychological status that made Pep and Zidane what they are as managers.

Fairs fair though. Keane managed Sunderland and Ipswich. Badly. Pep went Barca, Bayern, City. Zidane Real.

Easier to fill a trophy cabinet that way.

The question is why no top club went near Keane. And we saw why.

[Blowitupref]

Ruben Amorim comments after his AC Milan side lost 2-0 at home to Benfica last night in the Europa league.

"If I have to fail, it's better that I fail big."

"I want to help this club, I don't know if I'll have the necessary time"

"Is the squad poorly suited to my game? Partly, yes"


He was saying similar to the media when Man United manager.

[Milltown Row2]

If you could back up one simple argument for his inclusion as a coach/manager at Utd I'd like to hear it

If Michael Carrick was the answer, what exactly was the job description 'who can nod more convincingly than the Churchill dog?'

Fulham (A) Spurs (H) Athletico (A) Leeds (A)

Maybe they could wife swap Carrick and Fabregas the evening of the Como game

You've still not given one, not one sensible reason to employ Keane, and nobody, nobody has agreed with any of your 'logic'
Go to bed, kill the trolling, it's pathetic

[Ethan Tremblay]

I think clubs have moved on from the 'Keane' type of hothead manager, players are too fragile to deal with that these days and directors wouldn't want to be fighting managers, they want an easy ride.   

I would imagine Carrick would be relatively hassle free for the owners to deal with, and would prioritise harmony throughout the club instead of calling players/directors out the way Keane undoubtably would. 

I mentioned it a few years ago, Keane would be pure box office at United, Sky Sports would just need a reporter camped out at Carrington to fill their schedule, but it will never happen. 

[Armagh18]

I think clubs have moved on from the 'Keane' type of hothead manager, players are too fragile to deal with that these days and directors wouldn't want to be fighting managers, they want an easy ride.   

I would imagine Carrick would be relatively hassle free for the owners to deal with, and would prioritise harmony throughout the club instead of calling players/directors out the way Keane undoubtably would. 

I mentioned it a few years ago, Keane would be pure box office at United, Sky Sports would just need a reporter camped out at Carrington to fill their schedule, but it will never happen. 

Even Fergie didn't call out the ownership, was obviously getting well enough looked after that he didn't care to and was good enough as a manager to paper over the cracks. Realistically the club been on the wrong path since the Galzers took over, Fergie was good enough to rebuild a new team from 06 on with his old guard, Giggs, Scholes etc young lads developing (Rooney, Ronaldo) and topped up with bargain buys like Vidic, Evra etc.

Alarm bells should have been ringing when they let Ronaldo go and replaced him with an old Michael Owen and Valencia, a good player who had a super career at United but may as well play a different sport to Ronaldo.

Fergie was good enough to squeeze another couple of leagues out of the older generation and average players but left little or nothing for the next man to work with and that plonker Woodward was like giving a child a credit card to do the weekly food shop and him ending up spending it on shiny new toys.

[Look-Up!]

Just a small point that it was Fergie falling out with the owners paved the way for the Glazers. And the reason he got away with it was because of the massive power he wielded with the fanbase.

[Armagh18]

Just a small point that it was Fergie falling out with the owners paved the way for the Glazers. And the reason he got away with it was because of the massive power he wielded with the fanbase.

Yep very true.

As brilliant as he was, he had plenty of faults.

[Look-Up!]

Just a small point that it was Fergie falling out with the owners paved the way for the Glazers. And the reason he got away with it was because of the massive power he wielded with the fanbase.

Yep very true.

As brilliant as he was, he had plenty of faults.

Unnaturally hungry hoor

[AustinPowers]

I think clubs have moved on from the 'Keane' type of hothead manager, players are too fragile to deal with that these days and directors wouldn't want to be fighting managers, they want an easy ride.   

I would imagine Carrick would be relatively hassle free for the owners to deal with, and would prioritise harmony throughout the club instead of calling players/directors out the way Keane undoubtably would. 

I mentioned it a few years ago, Keane would be pure box office at United, Sky Sports would just need a reporter camped out at Carrington to fill their schedule, but it will never happen. 

Even Fergie didn't call out the ownership, was obviously getting well enough looked after that he didn't care to and was good enough as a manager to paper over the cracks. Realistically the club been on the wrong path since the Galzers took over, Fergie was good enough to rebuild a new team from 06 on with his old guard, Giggs, Scholes etc young lads developing (Rooney, Ronaldo) and topped up with bargain buys like Vidic, Evra etc.

Alarm bells should have been ringing when they let Ronaldo go and replaced him with an old Michael Owen and Valencia, a good player who had a super career at United but may as well play a different sport to Ronaldo.

I liked Valencia, he was a  solid player.  Worked hard and drove forward. What I wouldn't give for a player like him now. He  was no Ronaldo, but who   was at that time?

Fergie was good enough to squeeze another couple of leagues out of the older generation and average players but left little or nothing for the next man to work with and that plonker Woodward was like giving a child a credit card to do the weekly food shop and him ending up spending it on shiny new toys.

Mick O'Dwyer left nothing  for the next man either.  He was only concerned about  his own reign, and getting what he  could out of his squad of players, just like Fergie.

I can't help thinking a  lot of players are different  from even 10- 15 years ago. Fragile, egocentric, lazy , entitled b*****ds. Look at  Sancho,  Rashford, Garnacho, Pogba.... Is it a coincidence these lazy hoors  all played  for United? What is it about  United attracting absolute w*****s?

[Armagh18]

Yeah Valencia was a solid player and liked himself but Ronaldo was scoring goals for fun and was nowhere near replaced. United probably could and should have got Robben and Sneijder at the time from Madrid as part of the Ronaldo deal which would have softened the blow.

You're right, seem to attract that calibre of p***k, add Di Maria to the list as well. In Fergie/Keanes day they'd have been gone in a week

[Ethan Tremblay]

I think clubs have moved on from the 'Keane' type of hothead manager, players are too fragile to deal with that these days and directors wouldn't want to be fighting managers, they want an easy ride.   

I would imagine Carrick would be relatively hassle free for the owners to deal with, and would prioritise harmony throughout the club instead of calling players/directors out the way Keane undoubtably would. 

I mentioned it a few years ago, Keane would be pure box office at United, Sky Sports would just need a reporter camped out at Carrington to fill their schedule, but it will never happen. 

Even Fergie didn't call out the ownership, was obviously getting well enough looked after that he didn't care to and was good enough as a manager to paper over the cracks. Realistically the club been on the wrong path since the Galzers took over, Fergie was good enough to rebuild a new team from 06 on with his old guard, Giggs, Scholes etc young lads developing (Rooney, Ronaldo) and topped up with bargain buys like Vidic, Evra etc.

Alarm bells should have been ringing when they let Ronaldo go and replaced him with an old Michael Owen and Valencia, a good player who had a super career at United but may as well play a different sport to Ronaldo.

I liked Valencia, he was a  solid player.  Worked hard and drove forward. What I wouldn't give for a player like him now. He  was no Ronaldo, but who   was at that time?

Fergie was good enough to squeeze another couple of leagues out of the older generation and average players but left little or nothing for the next man to work with and that plonker Woodward was like giving a child a credit card to do the weekly food shop and him ending up spending it on shiny new toys.

Mick O'Dwyer left nothing  for the next man either.  He was only concerned about  his own reign, and getting what he  could out of his squad of players, just like Fergie.

I can't help thinking a  lot of players are different  from even 10- 15 years ago. Fragile, egocentric, lazy , entitled b*****ds. Look at  Sancho,  Rashford, Garnacho, Pogba.... Is it a coincidence these lazy hoors  all played  for United? What is it about  United attracting absolute w*****s?

That's the point I was making, Keane and his way with people wouldn't work for players these days.  He is from the generation where you take your medicine, put your head down and work like a dog.  Players don't have that same mindset, they are quick to blame instead of looking in the mirror. 

If he was to lay into a player, they would no doubt be on Instagram that night giving off about him. 

Would have loved Robben at United, what a player he was.