Man Utd Thread:

[Captain Obvious]

Mourinho is a busted flush as a manager.

Was and still is a better manager than Luciano Spalletti

[Il Bomber Destro]

Mourinho is a busted flush as a manager.

Was and still is a better manager than Luciano Spalletti

Still is? Very doubtful.

[Captain Obvious]

Mourinho is a busted flush as a manager.

Was and still is a better manager than Luciano Spalletti

Still is? Very doubtful.

To most it's not doubtful at all. Very doubtful if Spalletti is even a better manager than Van Gaal with his sideways possession football.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Mourinho is a busted flush as a manager.

Was and still is a better manager than Luciano Spalletti

Still is? Very doubtful.

To most it's not doubtful at all. Very doubtful if Spalletti is even a better manager than Van Gaal with his sideways possession football.

To most it is doubtful.

Mourinho has spent the most money of any manager in European football this season and his team have laboured to 6th position. He was sacked at Chelsea last season after leaving them hovering above the relegation zone, they're now 10 clear at the top of the table little over a season later.

Mourinho is very much a busted flush.

As for Spalletti, we're currently 2nd in the table after losing our best player last season to the dominant force in Italian football. Things have taken a turn for the worse lately but as of now we are still in the hunt in all three competitions and I think he has certainly made progress with fairly moderate spending.

[magpie seanie]

Il Bomber - you are absolutely incorrect about United kicking Hazard "at every opportunity". That is simply untrue. On 5 occasions in the first half United players dispossessed Hazard cleanly through good tackles (surely they could have just kicked him instead?). He was fouled 4 times plus the play on for him running into Herrera which was clearly not a kick. Jones bundled him over from behind twice (didn't kick him) and Darmian did similar early one. The second yellow is about the only one you'd have a case on and as you've admitted it was just a mistimed attempt to play the ball.

Completely ridiculous to suggest United went out to kick him at every opportunity. It's simply not true.

No one has more doubts than myself about Mourinho but last night is a bad example of a time to criticise him. It was a fairly even game up until the red card and I thought his tactics were spot on. He has started to think more creatively in recent weeks which was one of his hallmarks earlier in his career.

[magpie seanie]

Peoples opinions never cease to amaze me. I'm having an argument via email with a journalist whose entire article is based on Mourinho's negativity of setting up his team last night with 6 at the back. 6! Sorry, didn't happen.

[rodney trotter]

The first was a clear yellow. Herrera bodychecked  Hazard, and had his usual ott reaction when the ref booked him.

[The Stallion]

Hazard was clearly targeted by Utd, and the ref should have dished out more cards.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Il Bomber - you are absolutely incorrect about United kicking Hazard "at every opportunity". That is simply untrue. On 5 occasions in the first half United players dispossessed Hazard cleanly through good tackles (surely they could have just kicked him instead?). He was fouled 4 times plus the play on for him running into Herrera which was clearly not a kick. Jones bundled him over from behind twice (didn't kick him) and Darmian did similar early one. The second yellow is about the only one you'd have a case on and as you've admitted it was just a mistimed attempt to play the ball.

Completely ridiculous to suggest United went out to kick him at every opportunity. It's simply not true.

No one has more doubts than myself about Mourinho but last night is a bad example of a time to criticise him. It was a fairly even game up until the red card and I thought his tactics were spot on. He has started to think more creatively in recent weeks which was one of his hallmarks earlier in his career.

Kick is a loosely based term, they went out to stop Hazard by all means neccessary. They got a lot of leeway with this tactic, they then got a stern warning by the referee who even brought their captain over to speak to him about it. What followed was frankly unbelievable stupidity from a professional footballer, Herrera after he witnessed the referee talking to his captain about the roughhousing of Hazard and issuing a final warning goes and steams into a challenge on Hazard when already one a yellow.

Herrera deserved to be sent off for stupidity alone. Mourinho teams like to push the line so they can have little complaints when they push it too far and get caught out as a result. They were given warning by the referee so they can have little complaints.

[Captain Obvious]

Mourinho is a busted flush as a manager.

Was and still is a better manager than Luciano Spalletti

Still is? Very doubtful.

To most it's not doubtful at all. Very doubtful if Spalletti is even a better manager than Van Gaal with his sideways possession football.

To most it is doubtful.

Mourinho has spent the most money of any manager in European football this season and his team have laboured to 6th position. He was sacked at Chelsea last season after leaving them hovering above the relegation zone, they're now 10 clear at the top of the table little over a season later.

Mourinho is very much a busted flush.

As for Spalletti, we're currently 2nd in the table after losing our best player last season to the dominant force in Italian football. Things have taken a turn for the worse lately but as of now we are still in the hunt in all three competitions and I think he has certainly made progress with fairly moderate spending.

The most equals the thoughts in your own head?

You ignored the fact the Chelsea under Mourinho won the league just two years ago and their best players then are still their best players now.

Mourinho didn't spend a penny on players the club did and they are responsible for paying more than what the players are worth. The best signing was a free signing by the way.

On Spalletti he wasn't good enough the first time there and won't be much better on his return. Bringing him back was the president playing safe with a known option and lacking the ambition with a better manager. Mourinho would win a league title within two years with that Roma team however he has a bigger and more rewarding challenge on his hands by rebuilding Manchester United from the bottom up.

[AZOffaly]

Peoples opinions never cease to amaze me. I'm having an argument via email with a journalist whose entire article is based on Mourinho's negativity of setting up his team last night with 6 at the back. 6! Sorry, didn't happen.

The back 4 plus herrera and Jones? Jones was quite a cautious play alright I thought but the formation was basically 4-2-3-1 wasn't it? A fairly conventional approach. And united weren't parking the bus in the early going anyway.

[AZOffaly]

Mourinho is a busted flush as a manager.

Was and still is a better manager than Luciano Spalletti

Still is? Very doubtful.

To most it's not doubtful at all. Very doubtful if Spalletti is even a better manager than Van Gaal with his sideways possession football.

To most it is doubtful.

Mourinho has spent the most money of any manager in European football this season and his team have laboured to 6th position. He was sacked at Chelsea last season after leaving them hovering above the relegation zone, they're now 10 clear at the top of the table little over a season later.

Mourinho is very much a busted flush.

As for Spalletti, we're currently 2nd in the table after losing our best player last season to the dominant force in Italian football. Things have taken a turn for the worse lately but as of now we are still in the hunt in all three competitions and I think he has certainly made progress with fairly moderate spending.

The most equals the thoughts in your own head?

You ignored the fact the Chelsea under Mourinho won the league just two years ago and their best players then are still their best players now.

Mourinho didn't spend a penny on players the club did and they are responsible for paying more than what the players are worth. The best signing was a free signing by the way.

On Spalletti he wasn't good enough the first time there and won't be much better on his return. Bringing him back was the president playing safe with a known option and lacking the ambition with a better manager. Mourinho would win a league title within two years with that Roma team however he has a bigger and more rewarding challenge on his hands by rebuilding Manchester United from the bottom up.

Kante is one of the most important Chelsea players I'd say now.

[Cunny Funt]

Herrera deserved to be sent off for stupidity alone

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Such nonsense. The 2nd yellow was not a yellow card offence the only stupidity was the ref mixing up Jones with Herrera. The Tyrone man above should know better than most what tactics Jose was using last night as it is the same type of tactics that Mickey Harte has been using for over a decade. E.g high pressure game and don't allow the key players on the opposition any time on the ball.

A weak ref ruined a very intriguing contest last night and going to be only one winner when Herrera was wrongly sent off.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Mourinho is a busted flush as a manager.

Was and still is a better manager than Luciano Spalletti

Still is? Very doubtful.

To most it's not doubtful at all. Very doubtful if Spalletti is even a better manager than Van Gaal with his sideways possession football.

To most it is doubtful.

Mourinho has spent the most money of any manager in European football this season and his team have laboured to 6th position. He was sacked at Chelsea last season after leaving them hovering above the relegation zone, they're now 10 clear at the top of the table little over a season later.

Mourinho is very much a busted flush.

As for Spalletti, we're currently 2nd in the table after losing our best player last season to the dominant force in Italian football. Things have taken a turn for the worse lately but as of now we are still in the hunt in all three competitions and I think he has certainly made progress with fairly moderate spending.

The most equals the thoughts in your own head?

You ignored the fact the Chelsea under Mourinho won the league just two years ago and their best players then are still their best players now.

Mourinho didn't spend a penny on players the club did and they are responsible for paying more than what the players are worth. The best signing was a free signing by the way.

On Spalletti he wasn't good enough the first time there and won't be much better on his return. Bringing him back was the president playing safe with a known option and lacking the ambition with a better manager. Mourinho would win a league title within two years with that Roma team however he has a bigger and more rewarding challenge on his hands by rebuilding Manchester United from the bottom up.

And you've ignored the fact Chelsea sacked Mourinho after he was hovering above the relegation zone coming near the halfway point in the season, Chelsea little over a season later are ten points clear at the top with the bulk of the same squad.

You are also ignoring the fact Mourinho spent more money than any other manager this summer and they are languishing in sixth.

Mourinho was a good manager, now he looks like a busted flush whose method have become dated and the sideshow he gets caught up in is causing more bad and good but as you will, keep living in the past and ignore the current relevant issues at hand.

It depends what you term as good enough the first time round, Spalletti was the last Roma manager to win a trophy. We had to rely on guys on loan from Anderlecht, journeymen like Cassetti and Tonetto picked up for peanuts and so forth. Our better players like Chivu and Mancini went to our biggest rivals. We were levied with massive debt under Spalletti the first time round so I think he did a good job all things considered.

As long as Roma continue to see their best players year on year it is hard to see them challenging Juve. We've sold Benatia, Pjanic, Lamela and Marquinhos all on the back of good seasons in the past 4 seasons in order to balance the books - all key players.

I think Spalletti has shown himself to be a wily manager, he's the front runner to replace Allegri at Juve if he departs this summer which should indicate the esteem he's held in.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Herrera deserved to be sent off for stupidity alone

.

Such nonsense. The 2nd yellow was not a yellow card offence the only stupidity was the ref mixing up Jones with Herrera. The Tyrone man above should know better than most what tactics Jose was using last night as it is the same type of tactics that Mickey Harte has been using for over a decade. E.g high pressure game and don't allow the key players on the opposition any time on the ball.

A weak ref ruined a very intriguing contest last night and going to be only one winner when Herrera was wrongly sent off.

Mickey Harte has absolutely no problem in taking players off if they pick a yellow card up, he has done it consistently during his managerial career.

What Herrera did was brainless. Hazard was getting systematically fouled every time he was getting on the ball, the referee brought Chris Smalling over and talked to him about this, an unusual occurrence. Herrerra is then stupid enough, to go and steam into a risky challenge on Hazard when already on a yellow card. He doesn't get and gets Hazard, he has rather stupidly given the referee a decision to make and having had his captain already forewarned he made a very stupid error. Little sympathy in that situation.

It wasn't even a dangerous area of the pitch, there was no need to make the tackle, he got it wrong while on a yellow card. Tough shit for being an idiot.