Man Utd Thread:

[magpie seanie]

Rashford and Martial were both started and were shite against Watford, which you seem to be conveniently ignoring.

I'm not ignoring that. The whole shape of the team was wrong and Rooney was getting in the way of the good players as usual. He alone is a huge issue but having no passers in central midfield is a serious problem too. Attacks develop too slowly and predictably. Martial is slightly out of form for several reasons but I'd persist with him to get him through. Rashford is possibly the most in form forward player in the English league.

[screenexile]

Rashford and Martial were both started and were shite against Watford, which you seem to be conveniently ignoring.

I'm not ignoring that. The whole shape of the team was wrong and Rooney was getting in the way of the good players as usual. He alone is a huge issue but having no passers in central midfield is a serious problem too. Attacks develop too slowly and predictably. Martial is slightly out of form for several reasons but I'd persist with him to get him through. Rashford is possibly the most in form forward player in the English league.

De Bruyne? Costa? Ibrahimovic?

[gallsman]

Aguero?

[magpie seanie]

Those are other possibles. Well done.

[stew]

I don't think magpie seanie likes Jose Mourinho.

He is not alone, an arrogant has been draconian dictator is all this clampett is these days.

[Keyser soze]

I don't think magpie seanie likes Jose Mourinho.

He is not alone, an arrogant has been draconian dictator is all this clampett is these days.

Right enough...... it's coming near 18 months since he last won a major trophy.

[gallsman]

I don't think magpie seanie likes Jose Mourinho.

He is not alone, an arrogant has been draconian dictator is all this clampett is these days.

Right enough...... it's coming near 18 months since he last won a major trophy.

He should take Stew's advice from last year and play James Wilson. After all, he's a "stud". Stew has coached at a high level before so he knows far better than Mourinho.

[seafoid]

Mourinho may be past it
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/sep/22/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-master

[Maroon Manc]

Missed last week as was in watching the minor game and couldn't be bothered watching over it given the result.

At least some of the journo's have turned on Rooney but his mates in the media continue to stick up for him, their a disgrace. Only watched the last 10 mins of the Northampton game but apparently Carrick did well, hopefully he'll get more game time from now on. I've not heard when Mkhitaryan is back but hopefully its soon as Martial is clearly well out of form. Herrera is another one who hasn't been given a fair chance, one average game and he's out of the time whilst the fat scouser has been doing that for 3 years.

We need to get the best out of Pogba and playing him in a midfield 2 with Rooney ahead of him clearly isn't working.

[magpie seanie]

Mourinho may be past it
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/sep/22/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-master

It's a possibility.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/jose-mourinho-struggles-in-the-shadow-of-ferguson-and-his-past-self-1.2803531

Jose Mourinho struggles in the shadow of Ferguson, and his past self
The original version of Jose would never have made a plea for way things used to be
49 minutes ago

Keith Duggan 
 
'You're coming to Watford," said Paul Scholes, not quite able to suppress his contempt at the sight of his Manchester United falling apart against Elton John's mob.
Sitting in an empty television studio listening to Liverpool old boy Steve McManaman theorise on the shambolic nature of José Mourinho's unfolding Manchester United experiment, Scholes couldn't believe the state of his old club. "You're not coming to . . . Arsenal."
It's not yet October and already the advance obituaries for Mourinho's reign in his dream job have begun to appear. The climate of frantic hyperdrama is surely what Mourinho meant when he spoke enigmatically of "the new football" and McManaman might well belong to the long-list of culprits who Mourinho dismissed as the "Einsteins" whose voices crowd the football world. He can't have been surprised. It will be entertaining if Mourinho revives the fortunes of United; it will be sensational if he fails to.
"I have a problem which I'm getting better at everything related to my job since I started," Mourinho said in an interview with the Telegraph in the autumn of 2015, just before his stewardship at Chelsea began to unravel.
The remark was typical Mourinho: comically conceited on the surface but held together by his past record and his helplessly blunt honesty. When they head-hunted Mourinho, the United executive determinedly ignored the spectacular act of self-sabotage and disillusionment which saw him sacked by Chelsea less than half-way through their Premier League title defence.
In a way, the wonderful trick by Claudio Ranieri and Leicester in imposing a fantasy football story on the real world last season was perfect for Mourinho. At least Arsene Wenger, for whom he reserves a special loathing, hadn't triumphed in his absence. Van Gaal's misfiring season was not saved by the FA Cup victory which proved his swansong. Chelsea didn't just surrender their title; the defending champions finished a pitiful 10th and a staggering 31 points adrift of Leicester.
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Delayed coronation
So the stage seemed specifically designed for Mourinho's dramatic return; the delayed coronation to United and the true beginning of the post-Ferguson era at Old Trafford.
Still, as he walked into the United manager's office, Mourinho must have had to pretend that the three years after Ferguson left hadn't happened. Part of him must have chosen to erase all recognition of the public and critical mauling David Moyes endured during his fraught 10-month reign which was undermined and doomed from the moment it began.
And he must have banished from his mind all images of the increasingly stricken, harassed figure which Louis van Gaal cut in his last months of United, a managerial experience stripped of all the schoolmasterly authority which had been his calling card. He had to ignore that he was stepping into both the biggest football club in the world but also inheriting a team which had lost its identity. The strongest characters within United's last league winning team – Robin van Persie, Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Patrick Evra and, of course, Ryan Giggs and Scholes, are no longer at the club.
Goalkeeper David De Gea is the most consistent link, apart from Wayne Rooney – whose deteriorating form constitutes a separate crisis in Manchester – and Michael Carrick, who was favoured by Mourinho in Wednesday night's relieving League Cup win over Northampton.
Mourinho made his trophy signings, Zlatan Imbrahimovic and Paul Pogba and has had to quickly assemble a team around them composed of remnants of the Ferguson era and misfits from the following years.
If his team had a hastily constructed, learning-on-the-hoof look, then it showed in that baggy, uncertain 3-1 defeat at Vicarage Road. The defeat to Manchester City and to Pep Guardiola, his nemesis, was a hurtful loss in their ongoing war for smartest-football-man-of-all-time award.
Fallen status
Merely playing Feynoord in the Europa League was a sobering reminder of the level from which he must drag United: losing must have been maddening.
Following the third loss, to Watford, the most troubling aspect of Mourinho's post-game attitude was the lack of defiance and fire and energy. He seemed strangely accepting. The comments after the Northampton win, delivered to Manchester United's in-house television channel, didn't do much to convince otherwise.
"I know they tried to delete 16 years of my career. They tried to delete an unbelievable history of Manchester United football club and to focus on a bad week after three bad results." Even Friday's return to sardonic wit lacked Mourinho's appetite for debate and confrontation.
On one level, Mourinho's griping has substance. United simply had a poor week at the office: they lost three games on the trot. No team has a divine right to win games. But the unwritten rule of Premier League culture means that the super clubs cannot lose to lesser teams. That's why McManaman predicted that if United's black run continued, then the club was going to have to do "something drastic".
The version of Jose Mourinho who first stormed through English football would never have made a plea for the way things used to be. He is fooling himself about attempts to erase United's glittering history: yet he hit on a grim truth when he complained about the attempted airbrushing of his own achievements. The novel glories at Porto; the barnstorming years at Chelsea; the versatility with which he transferred his managerial chops into domestic and European success at Inter: a stunning record in which the club always seemed to play second fiddle to the man.
Insatiable club
That can't be the case at Manchester United: the club is simply too big and too famous and insatiable for the next success. If he fails, the club will chew him up.
At 53, after a bright and insistently restless career, he has arrived at the point in his football life which would see him claim a true home.
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A win over Leicester at lunch time on Saturday will quell the voices but with a new revelatory book just published and away games at Liverpool and Chelsea looming on the October horizon, Mourinho is going to need all of the old attitude and cunning and energy.
But he will be glad to put some distance between himself and that Watford game. The last time United lost to Watford was thirty years ago, in the midst of a string of results which hastened the sacking of Ron Atkinson and the appointment of a flinty young Scotsman. New football may be merciless but the old game was brutal too.

[Captain Obvious]

Rooney dropped   

[Denn Forever]

Brave move.  Who will step up to the  plate?

[magpie seanie]

Brave move.  Who will step up to the  plate?

To replace Rooney? The tea lady I'd say. Hopefully he is never picked again.

4-0 at half time against the champions. My critics can start digging into that humble pie, lashings of it in front of them.

Let's hope Jose has finally seen the light and stops acting the p***k. This has been good. A bit nervy before the first but lots of good play since.

[stew]

I don't think magpie seanie likes Jose Mourinho.

He is not alone, an arrogant has been draconian dictator is all this clampett is these days.

Right enough...... it's coming near 18 months since he last won a major trophy.

He should take Stew's advice from last year and play James Wilson. After all, he's a "stud". Stew has coached at a high level before so he knows far better than Mourinho.

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