Kerry V Tyrone Fodder AISF 23rd August 2015

[yellowcard]

In normal circumstances McCann might be a slight miss but this isn't normal circumstances. He will be under huge pressure from opponents in his ear and from the crowd and I can't see him having any sort of impact. If I was Eamon Fitzmaurice I'd be wanting to see him start.   

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

From a Tyrone perspective it may actually serve the greater good if he is suspended, maybe reduced to 4 weeks (although I believe that cannot happen because 8 weeks is the minimum for the charge). Tyrone with a sense of injustice will be very dangerous. Tyrone 'vindicated' may be a little less on edge.

No, it can't be reduced, and that's why this can't stick (even if the CCCC stick to their inebriated guns) and why it will go all the way to the DRA if necessary, since the penalty for his offence is already comprehensively covered in rule 5.8 (yellow card).

[AZOffaly]

But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).

Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).

[longballin]

A bit of indictment players seeking to keep ahead of the rules using cynical tactics. It how it is... rules change to stop it and they find something else...   

[AZOffaly]

But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).

Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).

That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.

[Keane]

Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield,  tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.

I see a lot of this "Tyrone will flood the midfield" talk. Surely Tyrone will do anything but that.

Their defensive structure all year has been pulling as many men inside their 45 as possible.

They are almost certain to concede Kerry's kick outs entirely and retreat behind half way. For their own kick outs as usual they will try and get someone loose in their own half. There's no way they will flood midfield.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).

Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).

That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.

But the DRA can't be swayed by any such nuances, they'll have to go, effectively, by the legalities, and legally 5.8 fully covers it. And that it was missed by the referee at the time is irrelevant since that wasn't the player's fault.

It should be an automatic red by the way, no question, but it's not right now.

[yellowcard]

But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).

Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).

That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.

If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.

[AZOffaly]

But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).

Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).

That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.

If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.

I'm agreeing with ye lads, I'm just saying they'll try and present it that way, and as we all know it can be anyone's guess the way some of these decisions go. I'd not be surprised if it got thrown out tonight, but equally I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in the DRA.

[BennyHarp]

Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield,  tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.

I see a lot of this "Tyrone will flood the midfield" talk. Surely Tyrone will do anything but that.

Their defensive structure all year has been pulling as many men inside their 45 as possible.

They are almost certain to concede Kerry's kick outs entirely and retreat behind half way. For their own kick outs as usual they will try and get someone loose in their own half. There's no way they will flood midfield.

I agree, we won't kick anything into midfield ourselves and retreat leaving your defenders free encouraging you to take the sort kick out. If I was Kerry, I'd worry about the runs of Donnelly from midfield, I wonder who will pick him up.

[blanketattack]

I know McCann has become a steady player for them, but in Net terms a distracted McCann who will undoubtedly be reminded of his nonsense might not be as big an asset as otherwise.

The almost-dark-but-more-gray-so-grand-really arts? Surely not in Kerry?

No, the Derry supporters will remind him of it.

[supersarsfields]

Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield,  tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.

I see a lot of this "Tyrone will flood the midfield" talk. Surely Tyrone will do anything but that.

Their defensive structure all year has been pulling as many men inside their 45 as possible.

They are almost certain to concede Kerry's kick outs entirely and retreat behind half way. For their own kick outs as usual they will try and get someone loose in their own half. There's no way they will flood midfield.

Hard to know. They pushed up to good effect in the Sligo game but the kick outs weren't great.

[Rois]

If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.

You giving Joe a promotion there?  He'll love that. 

Club Tyrone "chat show" tomorrow night at 7pm at Garvaghey for any members on here. 

[AZOffaly]

See, ye have have meetings before the games where ye all 'chat' at each other. Despicable.